Is the US hiding Zelaya in Honduras?

posted at 2:57 pm on September 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Here’s a strange story just breaking out of Tegucigalpa.  Former Honduran president Manuel Zelaya, deposed by a coordinated action between the parliament, the Supreme Court, and the army, claimed this afternoon to be back in the capital and at the UN compound.  Zelaya asked for his supporters to gather there to allow him to reclaim his post, and people have begun arriving.  The US confirmed that Zelaya was back in Tegucigalpa, but then the UN categorically denied Zelaya was inside their compound.

Is the US hiding Zelaya?

Deposed President Manuel Zelaya said Monday he has returned home to Honduras to reclaim his presidency, defying threats of arrest and summoning supporters.

While the State Department confirmed on Monday that Zelaya is in Honduras, his exact whereabouts were unclear, possibly in an attempt to avoid capture.

“I cannot give details, but I’m here,” Zelaya told the local TV Channel 36. His voice, but not his image, were transmitted.

He said initially that he was at the United Nations headquarters in his homeland, and Elisabeth Sierra, a spokeswoman for the Honduran Embassy in Nicaragua, where Zelaya had been exiled, reiterated the claim.

“He is in Honduras and calling the resistance to gather in front of the United Nations and protect the constitutional president of Honduras,” she said Monday.

But a spokeswoman at the U.N. offices in Tegucigalpa told The Associated Press he wasn’t there. “I have no idea where that story came from,” said spokeswoman Ana Elsy Mendoza. Nonetheless, Zelaya supporters were gathering outside the U.N. compound, said U.N. spokeswoman Michele Montas in New York.

Well, if the US knows he’s in Honduras and the UN says he’s not in their compound, then the US must either be hiding Zelaya or coordinating with another nation to do so.  The State Department needs to explain itself — soon.

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I thought Barry had apologized to Central and South Americans for MEDDLING in their internal affairs.

GarandFan on September 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM

In fact I did a big post on ym blog asking Hill to step down after the missle shield thing

and attacking any Dem is no better than attacking the tea party patriots, of which I am one.

ginaswo on September 21, 2009 at 3:33 PM

There will be a demonstration supporting Honduran freedom and the Honduran constitution in St. Louis on September 22 in St. Louis at Papagayos Honduran restaurant. The demonstration will start at 6PM. See these links for details:

http://gatewaypundit….blogspot.com/2009/09/st-louis-honduran-community-plans.html

http://stlouisteaparty.com/2009/09/19/irritate-the-president-support-freedom-in-honduras/Read More

stefano1 on September 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM

It makes sense because armies escorting elected officials out of the country is not normally associated with democracy in Latin America. That’s why every memember of the OAS has condemned this, not just Bolivia and Venezuela.

He was tried by the Honduras Supreme Court for high crimes against the state, found guilty and exiled. All within legal actions of their constitution.

That he was a leftist and socialist is the reason MOST (not all) members of the OAS condemned it.

It’s also a little ridiculous to think that we would smuggle him back in order to try to force him back upon the Hondurans against their will. I mean, you may not like Hillary and Obama, but they’re not actually bats**t crazy — that strategy hasn’t worked since we put the Shah on the throne in the 50s.

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Ahh but 1> That’s exactly what Obama has called for and 2> we’re just “restoring Democracy” as part of an “illegal coup”.

Skywise on September 21, 2009 at 3:34 PM

Oh, God. Now what idiocy has Obama gotten us into…. If he’s allowed Zelaya to use US resources to sneak in and hide we can expect all sorts of conspiracy theories to develop in the future. Meddling in other countries’ internal affairs is certainly the right way to describe it.

Jill1066 on September 21, 2009 at 3:35 PM

I thought Barry had apologized to Central and South Americans for MEDDLING in their internal affairs.

[GarandFan on September 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM]

Past US meddling, not future Obama meddling to consolidate his reformation empire.

Dusty on September 21, 2009 at 3:35 PM

To any one of our lefties: Please explain the administration’s position on Honduras to me. It literally makes no sense, and I can’t come up with any kind of logical defense, either legal or moral.

BadgerHawk on September 21, 2009 at 3:01 PM

I’m not a lefty, but I am pretty sure that you cannot come up with a logical defense because it doesn’t exist.

Bru on September 21, 2009 at 3:35 PM

That argument works for uninformed morons, but it doesn’t cut it for President Obama. He has all the facts, and is strongarming a democracy in support of a dictator anyway.

BadgerHawk on September 21, 2009 at 3:30 PM

I’m not so sure. I saw a few excerpts from congressional hearings involving one of Obama’s foreign policy adviser: I wouldn’t be surprised if all Obama is hearing is “Its a military coup”.
P.BO is enough of a chump to just leave it at that and assume that everything else is just as “bogus” as the “Death Panels”. Anyone else see a pattern here?

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 3:36 PM

I’m not so sure. I saw a few excerpts from congressional hearings involving one of Obama’s foreign policy adviser: I wouldn’t be surprised if all Obama is hearing is “Its a military coup”.
P.BO is enough of a chump to just leave it at that and assume that everything else is just as “bogus” as the “Death Panels”. Anyone else see a pattern here?

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 3:36 PM

No, he probably does that so he can distance himself or claim ignorance of the true facts..ie ACORN, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones..oh my, the list is too long to list.

truetexan on September 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I mean, would the Marines go and impose tyranny on a peaceful country?

Akzed on September 21, 2009 at 3:07 PM

They(Marines) would do what they were ordered to do, but I seriously doubt that order would be given.

David2.0 on September 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Now I know how a decent German would have felt in 1938. This is disgusting action on the part of the Ogabe regime. The time for peaceful resistence is rapidly coming to a close

bill30097 on September 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if all Obama is hearing is “Its a military coup”.
P.BO is enough of a chump to just leave it at that and assume that everything else is just as “bogus” as the “Death Panels”. Anyone else see a pattern here?

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 3:36 PM

I’d almost buy that, not that it’s any kind of an excuse.

BadgerHawk on September 21, 2009 at 3:39 PM

I thought Barry had apologized to Central and South Americans for MEDDLING in their internal affairs.

GarandFan on September 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM

The apologies were for Bush’s meddling, Barry’s meddling doesn’t count as he is the enlightened one.

farright on September 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM

No, he probably does that so he can distance himself or claim ignorance of the true facts..ie ACORN, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones..oh my, the list is too long to list.

truetexan on September 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Well, at any rate, we are left with the choice between him feigning ignorance or just being plain ignorant.

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM

I’d almost buy that, not that it’s any kind of an excuse.

BadgerHawk on September 21, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Excuse?
It should be an indictment.

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 3:41 PM

No, Bleeds.
I still think Zelaya was snuck into the country in Hillary’s pantsuit.

marybel on September 21, 2009 at 3:41 PM

The apologies were for Bush’s meddling, Barry’s meddling doesn’t count as he is the enlightened one.

farright on September 21, 2009 at 3:40 PM

To be fair, I’m sure Dear Leader’s apology was for all the white guys’ meddling. But any criticism of The One’s meddling is ______ well, you can fill it in yourself.

rbj on September 21, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Now that the Brazilians have taken responsibility, I suppose some of you will be “revising and extending” previous remarks, right?

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Nope. Brazilians are the co-conspirators but I’ll stand by my assertion that the CIA got him in there.

Skywise on September 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

mean, would the Marines go and impose tyranny on a peaceful country?

Akzed on September 21, 2009 at 3:07 PM
They(Marines) would do what they were ordered to do, but I seriously doubt that order would be given.

David2.0 on September 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM

I wonder is such an illegal, immoral order would be obeyed.
The “I vas just following orders” defense is no longer valid.

bill30097 on September 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

It makes sense because armies escorting elected officials out of the country is not normally associated with democracy in Latin America. That’s why every memember of the OAS has condemned this, not just Bolivia and Venezuela.

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Zelaya violated the Honduran Constitution. His removal was authorized by both their legislature and Supreme Court. Now President Obama is blocking representatives from Honduras from entering the U.S. and shutting off foreign aid, which are pretty clear attempts to strong arm a small democratic nation into violating its own Constitution.

Picture Bush trying to get himself a 3rd term. Somehow I suspect you’d be a little more receptive to his forcible removal from office.

BadgerHawk on September 21, 2009 at 3:28 PM

I would under no circumstances like to see any American President removed by the military. The Honduran coup, while arguable legal, was certainly not advisable and acceptance of it would send the message that the U.S. supports summary justice meted out by political opponents with military support. The actual parallel would be if the Dems in Congress had decided that Bush had violated the War Powers Act, or committed war crimes or whatever, and had the Marines escort him out.

If the coup was such a Democratic act, why does it have no support whatsoever in the U.S. or Europe?

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Just how far will the Hondurans go to keep Zalaya out of office and how far will Obama go to get him back in office?

fourdeucer on September 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Weird the American president sides with the commies don’t you think?

Not really. His grandparents were radical socialist who attended a church known for its communist teachings. His mother was a radical socilist that rejected social norms. Obama and his sister were raised for a few year by the grandparents, until his mother took his sister with her and left Obama with his grandparents. That is a bit strange, unless he was left so that his grandfather could guide him to become a leading socialist/communist. His grandfather arranged for Frank Davis, a black communist leader of the Communist Party USA, to be Obama’s mentor. His entire life has been spent in the influence of socialist and communist. Not so strange at all that he is a hard left socialist if not communist. What would be strange, if there were a chance that it would have been allowed to happen, is that he turned out to be a capitalist.

Franklyn on September 21, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Now that the Brazilians have taken responsibility, I suppose some of you will be “revising and extending” previous remarks, right?

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Nope. Brazilians are the co-conspirators but I’ll stand by my assertion that the CIA got him in there.

Skywise on September 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

Based on….?

I think the CIA is too demoralized by the Holder investigation to smuggle deposed presidents properly.

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:44 PM

How much time is left in his term? This seems stupid, does he want to raid the treasury?

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2009 at 3:46 PM

OK, maybe it is coincidence, but the Wall Street Journal ran an editorial this morning today criticizing Hillary for her actions on Honduras, and cited a Congressional Research Office report that said the Hondurans did act constitutionally in ousting Zelaya. (It was posted here in Headlines.)

And then this happens by afternoon.

First question at State press briefing, “What about that WSJ editorial and the Congressional Research study?”

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM

Now I know how a decent German would have felt in 1938. This is disgusting action on the part of the Ogabe regime. The time for peaceful resistence is rapidly coming to a close

bill30097 on September 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on there, tiger. Are you calling for armed resistance? That is what your statement implies to me. Please explain.

Bru on September 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

No, the exact parallel would be Bush trying to change the Constitution to allow himself a 3rd term, Congress and the Supreme Court ruling he had broken multiple laws requiring he step down from office and stand trial, Bush refusing and being subsequently removed from office by force.

That’s effectively what happened. If Bush had done that here, every single person who screamed for his removal would be absolutely right. And we sure we hell wouldn’t appreciate, say France, threatening to cut off diplomatic relations if we didn’t put Bush back into office.

BadgerHawk on September 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Constitutionally, Zelaya ousted himself in the act of merely suggesting, raising the bare possibility of his term limit’s being lifted. If I recall, the relevant section of the Constitution of Honduras is S. 246. It’s in Spanish, of course, but since the “blue” people are “multicultural,” “respectful of others’ ways,” and all of that, I expect you’re eager to find the passage, translate it, and respect its plain meaning.

Kralizec on September 21, 2009 at 3:49 PM

Ever since Manuel Zelaya was removed from the Honduran presidency by that country’s Supreme Court and Congress on June 28 for violations of the constitution, the Obama administration has insisted, without any legal basis, that the incident amounts to a “coup d’état” and must be reversed. President Obama has dealt harshly with Honduras, and Americans have been asked to trust their president’s proclamations.

Now a report filed at the Library of Congress by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) provides what the administration has not offered, a serious legal review of the facts. “Available sources indicate that the judicial and legislative branches applied constitutional and statutory law in the case against President Zelaya in a manner that was judged by the Honduran authorities from both branches of the government to be in accordance with the Honduran legal system,” writes CRS senior foreign law specialist Norma C. Gutierrez in her report.

Do the facts matter? Fat chance. The administration is standing by its “coup” charge and 10 days ago, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton went so far as to sanction the country’s independent judiciary. The U.S. won’t say why, but its clear the court’s sin is rejecting a U.S.-backed proposal to restore Mr. Zelaya to power.

WSJ

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 3:49 PM

I would under no circumstances like to see any American President removed by the military. The Honduran coup, while arguable legal, was certainly not advisable and acceptance of it would send the message that the U.S. supports summary justice meted out by political opponents with military support. The actual parallel would be if the Dems in Congress had decided that Bush had violated the War Powers Act, or committed war crimes or whatever, and had the Marines escort him out. If the coup was such a Democratic act, why does it have no support whatsoever in the U.S. or Europe?

Bleeds Blue

So, if a US President (say Bush) is impeached and convicted but refuses to leave office… exactly how would you have him removed?

SeattleJohn on September 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM

I think the CIA is too demoralized by the Holder investigation to smuggle deposed presidents properly.

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:44 PM

If this were true, congratulations on a job ‘well’ done, lefties.

Schadenfreude on September 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM

Rather than tossing a Brazilian shoe or inserting his foot in his mouth, Obama inserts Zelaya.

The Brazillian Government is claiming that Zelaya is in their embassy in Tegucigalpa:

Honuran Newspaper El Heraldo has a live ticker of events as they unfold.

At 12:33 : Brasil confirma. La delegación brasileña en Honduras confirmó a AFP que Zelaya se encuentra en las instalaciones de su embajada en este país.

AverageJoe on September 21, 2009 at 3:12 PM

Hell, who missed the 9/11 Brazilian advertisement (DDB Brasil) showing hundreds of planes flying into NYC buildings in order to give the US a taste of what we really deserve. Compound Brazilian anti-US sentiment with Obama gifting them OUR TAX DOLLARS to pump oil for China.

Obama worships dictators, we already knew that. Obama hates Constitutional Governments, we already knew that. That Obama used US dollars (and federal forces) to transport Zelaya through the guarded Honduran national borders into the Honduran capital is what has always been known as a coup, and will be completely uncovered by the Hondurans themselves. This is the POTUS who still hasn’t made up his mind on Afghanistan strategy. Horrible priorities, Obama.

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM

To any one of our lefties: Please explain the administration’s position on Honduras to me. It literally makes no sense, and I can’t come up with any kind of logical defense, either legal or moral.

BadgerHawk on September 21, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Let me step in….the Honduras constitution does not allow any changes, none, so Obama and company will say no “contract” is indefinite. The people have a right to change the constitution, and so this guy has a right to come back and force a change…simply because the left thinks anything can change, and a constitution is just a bunch of words that can be interpreted in many different ways.

right2bright on September 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM

Now that the Brazilians have taken responsibility, I suppose some of you will be “revising and extending” previous remarks, right?

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:27 PM

Um no. First of all, I would be surprised if we had nothing to do with actually getting Zelaya in the country.

Second, we knew he was there illegally. We said nothing about his presence until the story broke. As I said before, we’re complicit.

amerpundit on September 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM

The Honduran coup, while arguable legal, was certainly not advisable and acceptance of it would send the message that the U.S. supports summary justice meted out by political opponents with military support.
Bleeds Blue

It was entirely “summary” justice. Zelaya has been told he can come back to stand trial and dispute the charges agaist him.

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 3:52 PM

If the coup was such a Democratic act, why does it have no support whatsoever in the U.S. or Europe?

Bleeds Blue

It was not a “coup” and it only has support from Chavez and the U.S. any more. Reap up. Europe and the rest of the Americas have since seen the light.

Schadenfreude on September 21, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Oh Lord—why can’t we stay out of this. Just another reason for Obama to go. Whatever is he thinking.

jeanie on September 21, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Read up, that is. Also, yes, some morons, like Brazil, still in Chavez’ lap…

Schadenfreude on September 21, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

It WASN’T just his political opponents. HIS own party told him NOT to try and have a referendum on extending his stay as President beyond what the Constitution allowed. Then it was Honduras’s Supreme Court who looked at their Constitution and came to the conclusion that Mr Zelaya was indeed violating the Constitution by trying to have a referendum. Then, the guards came in and removed him.

And I think the comparison of how you would feel if Bush tried to extend to a 3rd term and the Marines booting him out story was more in line with what Zelaya was trying to do than Bush violating a War Powers act.

I liked Bush most of the time but if he had tried what Zelaya attempted to do I would have applauded the Secret Service/ Marine guards escorting him out of the WH.

journeyintothewhirlwind on September 21, 2009 at 3:54 PM

If the coup was such a Democratic act, why does it have no support whatsoever in the U.S. or Europe?

Because the U.S. administration is supporting a leftist over democratic values. And it wasn’t a coup. The supreme court, military, and legislative branch approved of Zelaya’s removal because he was violating the constitution and rule of law.

amerpundit on September 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM

How much time is left in his term? This seems stupid, does he want to raid the treasury?

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2009 at 3:46 PM
His term was set to expire Jan. 27th.

fourdeucer on September 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM

I think the CIA is too demoralized by the Holder investigation to smuggle deposed presidents properly.

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:44 PM

Nah. The CIA is only afraid to hurt our enemies. They know there won’t be any repercussions from Obama if they help them.

Daggett on September 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM

No, the exact parallel would be Bush trying to change the Constitution to allow himself a 3rd term, Congress and the Supreme Court ruling he had broken multiple laws requiring he step down from office and stand trial, Bush refusing and being subsequently removed from office by force.

That’s effectively what happened. If Bush had done that here, every single person who screamed for his removal would be absolutely right. And we sure we hell wouldn’t appreciate, say France, threatening to cut off diplomatic relations if we didn’t put Bush back into office.

BadgerHawk on September 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Exactly, the Honduras constitution prohibits serving more then one term…it is absolute and cannot be changed.
Can’t be changed because they knew this would happen.
Now here is the question…on what grounds does the U.S. have in not supporting their constitution, so far the U.S. has not state the reason.
And of course the MSM just won’t ask….

right2bright on September 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Just because Venezuelans allowed Chavez to get away with megalomania, the rest of the worl should not follow such horrid examples.

Too bad the U.S. is aiding Chavez and his thugs, for shame.

Schadenfreude on September 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM

Keep in mind that the Army in Honduras acted during Zelayas arrest more like the Capital Police do in Wash, DC. If a US president was ordered arrested for violating the law and he refused to leave the white house, would it be a military coup for the police to enter and arrest him? The only thing I heard that was incorrectly done was that Zelaya was forced out of the country. The justification I heard for this was that when th Suppreme Court found hime guilty of messing with the constitution, Zelaya automatically was stripped of his office, and of his Honduran citizenship as well.

With just over a month until elections, and three month of his term left, there is only one reason Zelaya is forcing his way back, so that a bloody civil war ensues and he can declare a suspension of the elections “for the good of the country”. Note how the presidential candidates were blackmailed into supporting Zelaya’s return, with threats by outside contries to not recognize any election results as long as they are done without Zelaya in power.

AverageJoe on September 21, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I think Bleeds Blue has seen the light…or he just won’t own up to the fact that their constitution is exact in this measure.
You can’t serve more then one term, and it cannot be changed, in anyway.
So what is the argument in supporting the exiled president?

right2bright on September 21, 2009 at 3:58 PM

I thought Barry had apologized to Central and South Americans for MEDDLING in their internal affairs.

GarandFan on September 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM

He did. This isn’t meddling. Look, words mean things, and the definition is quite simple and clear:
* Meddling: Disagreeing with a foreign liberal.

So this clearly isn’t meddling. Some other definitions, to spare you future confusion:

* Racism: Disagreeing with a non-white liberal.
* Sexism: Disagreeing with a female liberal.
* Partisanship: Disagreeing with a white liberal.
* Hyperpartisanship: Continuing to disagree with a white liberal after a New York Times editorial tells you to stop.
* Theocracy: Disagreeing with any liberal while holding religious beliefs.
* Extremism: Disagreeing with any liberal while owning a gun.
* Nazism: Disagreeing with any liberal while in the presence of two or more people.

Hope this helps.

Fabozz on September 21, 2009 at 3:58 PM

U.S. have in not supporting their constitution, so far the U.S. has not state the reason.
And of course the MSM just won’t ask….

right2bright on September 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM

No reason, other than diving into Chavez’ big fat socialist/communist ars.

Schadenfreude on September 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM

The Honduran coup, while arguable legal, was certainly not advisable and acceptance of it would send the message that the U.S. supports summary justice meted out by political opponents with military support.
Bleeds Blue

It was NOT entirely “summary” justice. Zelaya has been told he can come back to stand trial and dispute the charges against him.

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 3:52 PM

Forgot the most important word.

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Kralizec on September 21, 2009 at 3:49 PM

He also ignored the legal order to not go ahead with the proposed public vote to the point of trying to distribute ballots which I believe were created in Venezuela. As I recall, the constitution also allows for stripping him of his citizenship for his activity. I don’t know why this wasn’t done.

a capella on September 21, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2009 at 3:46 PM

He already raided the Treasury. I think about 2 weeks after this broke they had stories of havingZelaya people (on tape) going to the banks and withdrawing millions of dollars. They believe they withdrew millions in preparation for the paying off folks to vote for Zelaya in the illegal referendum that never was held.

journeyintothewhirlwind on September 21, 2009 at 4:00 PM

No, he probably does that so he can distance himself or claim ignorance of the true facts..ie ACORN, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Van Jones..oh my, the list is too long to list.

Its a valiad point. He does appear ignorant of just about everything, totally clueless, and in hindsight unaware of what others have done. Others do the duty work and when they get caught or it proves unpopular, or legally questionalbe, his hands appear clean. Makes it hard to build a case for empeachment, until it is too late and we have lost the ability to do so.

Franklyn on September 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM

Reuters is reporting Zelaya is in the Brazilian embassy in Honduras.

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 4:02 PM

He already raided the Treasury. I think about 2 weeks after this broke they had stories of havingZelaya people (on tape) going to the banks and withdrawing millions of dollars. They believe they withdrew millions in preparation for the paying off folks to vote for Zelaya in the illegal referendum that never was held.

journeyintothewhirlwind on September 21, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Wow. They have ACORN there, too?

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Don’t be jumping the gun on the CIA since there are countless forces willing to do dirty work that the CIA knows better than to touch.

The Honduran President Micheletti gave PJTV an exclusive interview following Zelaya’s vacation to Costa Rica. Beyond Zelaya’s attempts to overthrow the Honduran nation’s Constitution and become dictator, the Honduran officials already had evidence that Zelaya was/is a drug runner, using Honduran airports to traffic drugs for South American drug lords heading North.

That Obama would connect himself with drug traffickers is not so surprising as disgusting and aligns to parallel his “public” anti-drug trade policy. No one does double speak better than Obama.

Zelaya most certainly has his own connections and means to disguise himself and travel without troubling the CIA to aid and abed his return. And why would the CIA facilitate Obama’s drug trade, given that Obama cut them off at the knees, and Pelosi publicizes “the CIA lie all the time.”

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

As explained by Micheletti to Greta, the Honduran constitution cannot be changed. Period. And anyone who suggests that the president should be allowed to serve more than one term loses his citizenship.

Plus, the document is online. I think Art 239 is operative.

Akzed on September 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Remind me why we’re propping up this Hugo Chavez wanna be who was thrown out of his country for violating its constitution???

redfoxbluestate on September 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

BBC is now reporting he’s in the Brazilian embassy, too.

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM

If a little country like Honduras can take a stand against a President trying to become a lifelong dictator a la Castro, Chavez and Ahmadinejad…We’ll what will a larger country like the United States of America do when it’s tried here….no no no Hondurans mustn’t give Americans any ideas no no no!

CCRWM on September 21, 2009 at 4:07 PM

The Honduran coup, while arguable legal, was certainly not advisable and acceptance of it would send the message that the U.S. supports summary justice meted out by political opponents with military support.
Bleeds Blue

Following Constitutional Law, enforcing the timely departure of their President as their Supreme Court determined via the nation’s military as prescribed by their own Constitution is NOT a “coup”.

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:08 PM

As explained by Micheletti to Greta, the Honduran constitution cannot be changed. Period. And anyone who suggests that the president should be allowed to serve more than one term loses his citizenship.

Plus, the document is online. I think Art 239 is operative.

Akzed on September 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Its not so much that it can’t be changed as it is that the anyone proposing or working toward an amendment to alter the term limit article gets stripped of office (and citizenship, I think). A whole new constitution could be written at a new Constitutional Convention, and other articles can be amended (I think).

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM

fourdeucer on September 21, 2009 at 3:55 PM
journeyintothewhirlwind on September 21, 2009 at 4:00 PM

Thanks for the information. So why go back? And what does our goofy president have to gain over this move? What is the upside? Sorry for the seemingly silly questions but this just seems crazy to me.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM

TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) – Ousted President Manuel Zelaya returned to Honduras on Monday almost three months after he was toppled in a coup, and took refuge in the Brazilian embassy in the capital to avoid arrest.

Reuters photographer Edgar Garrido saw Zelaya with aides and his wife in the embassy, and the leftist president gave media interviews from inside the building.

Zelaya’s ouster on June 28 in a dispute over presidential term limits plunged Honduras into its worst political crisis in decades, and was criticized by U.S. President Barack Obama, the European Union and Latin American governments.

His return raises the stakes for the conservative de facto government, which was installed after the coup and which has defied international pressure to let Zelaya return.

De facto ruler Roberto Micheletti wants Zelaya, an ally of Venezuela’s socialist President Hugo Chavez, arrested.

“I am here in Tegucigalpa. I am here for the restoration of democracy, to call for dialogue.” Zelaya told Honduran television. He told the Venezuelan-run television network Telesur he was fulfilling the will of the people who wanted him returned to power.

Between 3,000 and 4,000 Zelaya supporters gathered outside the main U.N. building in the capital shouting “Yes, we did it!”

Soldiers toppled Zelaya and sent him into exile after he upset conservative opponents, who accused him of wanting to change the constitution to allow presidents to seek re-election. Zelaya, who was due to leave office in January after elections in November, has denied he was seeking to extend his time in power.

The United States confirmed Zelaya was back in Honduras, one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere and a staunch U.S. ally during Cold War conflicts in Central America.

“At this point, all I can say is reiterate our almost daily call on both sides to exercise restraint and refrain from … any activities that could provoke violence, ” said State Department spokesman Ian Kelly.

Washington has pushed for Zelaya’s return but Latin American left-wing governments have accused the Obama administration of not being critical enough of the coup.

In New York, Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim said he was hopeful Zelaya’s return could start a new stage in negotiations to end the Honduran crisis.

The head of the Organization of American States, Jose Miguel Insulza, said Honduras’ de facto rulers “should be responsible for the safety of President Zelaya and the Brazilian Embassy.”

Honduras is a major coffee producer but exports have not been affected by the crisis.

Reuters

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM

You want “coup”?

Obama and Hillary, as Potus and Sec/State, sealed forever their legacy as it is THEY who are creating a Honduran revolutionary coup to overturn the Honduran Constitutional Government into a dictatorship. It is Zelaya who promises bloodshed and revolution with his return.

Whereas, Pres. Micheletti has already promised to step aside so long as Zelaya does not return to Honduran politics.

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:03 PM

Our President seems to be one of those “its okay as long as you don’t get caught” kind of people when it comes to narcotics.

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Whatever is he thinking.

jeanie on September 21, 2009 at 3:54 PM

The first thought that came into my mind was from the movie “Firefox” with Clint Eastwood.

“Think Russian” to control the Soviet super fighter.

shick on September 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Wow. Is Reuters a communist mouthpiece or what?

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM

Our President seems to be one of those “its okay as long as you don’t get caught” kind of people when it comes to narcotics [everything, from raiding the Federal Reserve, global banks, STIMULUS tax funds, to being a world community pimp and drug lord organizer].

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Hope this helps.

Fabozz on September 21, 2009 at 3:58 PM

Where did you get a copy of the rule book?

shick on September 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:03 PMHonduras: Who’s The Real Drug Trafficker?

While the foreign policy establishment in Washington, D.C. certainly had diverse reasons for disliking Manuel Zelaya, the deposed Honduran president’s criticism of the U.S.-driven drug war certainly did not help to ingratiate the Central American within the halls of power. In December 2008, just months before Zelaya was ousted from power by the military, he wrote Barack Obama and complained of U.S. “interventionism.”

Audaciously, Zelaya wrote: “The legitimate struggle against drug trafficking … should not be used as an excuse to carry out interventionist policies in other countries.” The struggle against drug smuggling, the Honduran added, “should not be divorced from a vigorous policy of controlling distribution and consumer demand in all countries, as well as money laundering which operates through financial circuits and which involve networks within developed countries.”

It was not the first time that Zelaya had been so outspoken. Just a month before, during a meeting of Latin American and Caribbean anti-drug officials in Tegucigalpa, he declared that drug consumption should be legalized to halt violence related to smuggling. “Instead of pursuing drug traffickers, societies should invest resources in educating drug addicts and curbing their demand,” Zelaya said. Rodolfo Zelaya, the head of a Honduran congressional commission on drug trafficking, rejected Zelaya’s comments. He told participants at the meeting that he was “confused and stunned by what the Honduran leader said.”

From “Mano Dura” to decriminalization?

What could have driven Zelaya to confront the U.S. so openly on drug policy? In recent years Honduras has been plagued by drug trafficking and so-called maras or street gangs that carry out gruesome beheadings, rapes, and eye gouging. The small Central American nation has become a major transshipment point for Colombian cocaine. According to U.S. authorities, the drugs arrive on non-commercial aircraft from Venezuela and increasingly in speedboats from Colombia.

Prior to Zelaya’s election, Honduras adopted a mano dura policy towards the maras as opposed to focusing on prevention and rehabilitation. In 2002, the country launched special anti-mara operations under a zero-tolerance strategy including the passage of stiffer laws. But the strong-arm policies led to persecution of young people simply because they bore tattoos, frequently an identifying feature for gang members, or wore baggy hip-hop style clothes. In 2005, 204 maras were detained under a special law which allowed people to be arrested merely on suspicion of belonging to gangs.

The Honduran government was even accused before the Inter-American Court on Human Rights of prison massacres of young gang members. The massacres were allegedly planned as “purges,” and included one incident in the El Porvenir prison in the city of La Ceiba in which a whopping 69 prisoners including 61 mara members were murdered.

After he was elected in 2006, Zelaya pledged to negotiate with Mara Salvatrucha gangs MS-13 and MS-18 in an effort to get the narco-traffickers to hand in their arms. Offering an olive branch, Zelaya said he wanted to peacefully rehabilitate the maras and reincorporate the gangs into society.

fourdeucer on September 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Weren’t Micheletti and Zelaya members of the same party? If so, how can the “de facto” government be considered conservative if Zelaya is a leftist?

bamaconservative on September 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Between 3,000 and 4,000 Zelaya supporters gathered outside the main U.N. building in the capital shouting “Yes, we did it!”

I’ve heard that phrase somewhere before.

Vashta.Nerada on September 21, 2009 at 4:21 PM

Weren’t Micheletti and Zelaya members of the same party? If so, how can the “de facto” government be considered conservative if Zelaya is a leftist?

bamaconservative on September 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM

Basically, Zelaya went rouge socialist after he got elected on the ticket of a center right party.

Count to 10 on September 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Two qoutes I doubt we will be hearing

“Zelaya acted stupidly”
“Mel is a jackass”

AverageJoe on September 21, 2009 at 4:23 PM

If true then this is another awesome feather in Ogabe’s already awesomely-feathered cap; what a pantload.

Bishop on September 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM

I am the unending spring of quesitons, has Hondours been in a crisis once the originial reaction to the change occured or did they settle back into normalcy? It seems to me if there was a lot of unrest then Mr. Obama’s media would have reported on it.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM

I don’t think the US would allow Osama bin Laden to hang out at an embassy on US soil. Honduras needs to delcare Zelaya a criminal and burn down any embassy that houses the criminal.

Buddahpundit on September 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:12 PM

I agree. This is outrageous. If the US was involved in getting him back into the country it is beyond belief.

derft on September 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Nothing on Drudge!

pseudonominus on September 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Well, it’s nice how we have so little going on in our own country, that we have the bandwidth to try and help some tinpot dictator get his mojo back.

On second thought, let Hillary and her Keystone Cops focus on this for awhile. They’ll screw it up like they do everything else they touch and they’ll have less time to screw up other things.

NoDonkey on September 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Stacy McCain just wrote a great piece about GWBush having stabbed himself in the back, hiring the people he did.

Remember that when Ronald Reagan called the Soviet Union an “Evil Empire,” his words were intensely controversial. Yet Reagan was not pandering. Those who then suffered under communist tyranny, including those imprisoned in the gulag, heard Reagans words and felt that, at last, there was hope — because Reagan had courage.

Alas, Bush had a knack for surrounding himself with mediocre minds…

Matt Latimer is exactly the sort of arrogant weakling that bad leadership attracts, so that George W. Bush is to blame for the knives in his own back.

POPULIST RESENTMENT can be understood as the natural response of citizens toward a government that has lost credibility. Just as the loss of credibility for Lyndon Johnson’s “Great Society” in the 1960s created a populist backlash, a similar response has been generated by the crumbling credibility of Bush’s “Compassionate Conservatism.”

Obama is building his own presidency’s Jericho Walls to come tumbling down. Despite Obama’s hatred for Bush, irony or ironies, Obama is stabbing himself in the back, promoting dictators who are all using him, giving so little to nothing in return.

Oh, Zelaya will give Obama plenty of drug trade in return. But America hates the magnitude of this with the same contempt as we felt on 9/11/01. Hell, it would be the ultimate Obama show of contemptuous antipathy for our nation to transport drugs to sell and dough to launder via Air Force One. The records on Zelaya and Obama are complete with corruption and abused privileges of office already.

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:38 PM

If Zelaya tries to storm the presidential palace, he should be “accidentally” shot by the secuity guards.

MarkTheGreat on September 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Would it not be interesting if Zelaya is not in Honduras after the US State department “confirmed” it.

AverageJoe on September 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM
It would just be another in a long list of ineptitude by our government and by the State Department speciffically.

fourdeucer on September 21, 2009 at 4:44 PM

But don’t let that stand in the way of wild speculation.

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:03 PM

A US official has confirmed that Zelaya is in Honduras. Whatever is going on, we — meaning the US — are in on it.

jwolf on September 21, 2009 at 3:07 PM

It means we know about it. It doesn’t mean we’re in on it.

Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:11 PM

Obama better not be in on it. That sort of meddling in another nation’s business without any valid interest in the outcome is definitely an impeachable offense.

We know Congress doesn’t want to impeach their own president, but even a Democratic Congress would find it hard to just ignore such an overreach.

tom on September 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM

I would under no circumstances like to see any American President removed by the military.

If the president has been impeached and convicted, and refuses to leave the White House, then some force is going to have to be sent in to remove him. I doubt the DC police have jurisdiction. In such a case it might be a squad of marines sent in to remove him.

The Honduran coup, while arguable legal, was certainly not advisable and acceptance of it would send the message that the U.S. supports summary justice meted out by political opponents with military support.
Bleeds Blue on September 21, 2009 at 3:43 PM

If it’s legal, then by definition it wasn’t a coup. Even a lefty should be able to understand that.

Why is it not advisable to remove from office a president who has been convicted of trying to under mine the rule of law and to over throw the constitution?

MarkTheGreat on September 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM

This is outrageous. If the US was involved in getting him back into the country it is beyond belief.

derft on September 21, 2009 at 4:31 PM

You are correct that this is an outrage.

‘IF’? There’s no qualifying factor here. Obama and Hillary wasted no time inserting themselves and the USA and the media involvement propagandizing whole cloth the day Zelaya left for Costa Rica to return him via their mutual revolutionary bloody coup vs. today’s Constitutional Government in Honduras.

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM

How much time is left in his term? This seems stupid, does he want to raid the treasury?

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2009 at 3:46 PM

He’s already raided the treasury. Maybe he needs more money to fund a comfortable retirement in Venezuela.

MarkTheGreat on September 21, 2009 at 4:46 PM

I am the unending spring of quesitons, has Hondours been in a crisis once the originial reaction to the change occured or did they settle back into normalcy? It seems to me if there was a lot of unrest then Mr. Obama’s media would have reported on it.

Cindy Munford on September 21, 2009 at 4:27 PM

Honduras is a major coffee producer but exports have not been affected by the crisis.
Reuters

Wethal on September 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM

a capella on September 21, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Brazil is hiding the man in Honduras

Streecar on September 21, 2009 at 4:48 PM

Please don’t ask if the US is doing something when the real issue is about Obama helping his socialist friends play their anti-democratic games.

It’s almost time to start printing up those,”Don’t blame me. I voted for the other guy” bumper stickers

Don L on September 21, 2009 at 4:51 PM

La Prensa in Honduras has a picture (two really) showing Zelaya in what is supposed to be a conference room in the Brazillian Embassy surrounded by various persons. There has to be a way of confirming if this is indeed in the embassy in Tegucigalpa.

AverageJoe on September 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM

If the president has been impeached and convicted, and refuses to leave the White House, then some force is going to have to be sent in to remove him. I doubt the DC police have jurisdiction. In such a case it might be a squad of marines sent in to remove him.

MarkTheGreat on September 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Capitol Hill police? Secret Service? But really I think a president’s own aides would just walk him out of the WH.

rbj on September 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM

If Zelaya tries to storm the presidential palace, he should be “accidentally” shot by the secuity guards.

MarkTheGreat on September 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM

No, Zelaya should be arrested, tried for treason, and summarily executed. He was already given a leave of absence that he refused to accept graciously.

Unless there’s a Zelayan assault on the presidential palace or their government building, don’t provide an excuse for the Marxist press to abuse the integrity of Honduras by showing Zelaya’s blood unless Zelaya foolishly leads a charge up the steps or something so stupid with rabble behind him to assault the guards on duty.

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM

Now I know how a decent German would have felt in 1938. This is disgusting action on the part of the Ogabe regime. The time for peaceful resistence is rapidly coming to a close

bill30097 on September 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on there, tiger. Are you calling for armed resistance? That is what your statement implies to me. Please explain.

Bru on September 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM

Needs Must

bill30097 on September 21, 2009 at 4:55 PM

El Heraldo (Honduran News)

Interim President Roberto Micheletti said that reports of Zelaya’s arrival is a media campaign of intimidation against Honduras concern “and will proceed legally against the perpetrators.

“There is no truth to what is said, It is media terrorism, do not believe these gentlemen,” said Micheletti.

“We have evidence that he not inside [Hondura] or that we were abducted” by officials of the UN, as he [Zelaya] had informed Globo radio and Channel 36.

Micheletti reiterated that it is “not true” that Zelaya is in Tegucigalpa. “He (Zelaya) is relaxed in a suite in a hotel in Nicaragua,” he said.

Would it not be interesting if Zelaya is not in Honduras after the US State department “confirmed” it.

AverageJoe on September 21, 2009 at 4:39 PM

WOW

maverick muse on September 21, 2009 at 4:56 PM

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