Glenn Beck: McCain would have been worse for America than Obama

posted at 7:22 pm on September 21, 2009 by Allahpundit

Looking forward to the 1,000-rpm spinning in the comments for this remark, which (a) is buttressed by his admission that he might have voted for Hillary over McCain/Palin and (b) would earn most any other righty torrents of acidic grassroots abuse for daring to utter it. His point, essentially, is that McCain’s no conservative, but then, per Peter Wehner, neither is Glenn Beck:

I say that because he seems to be more of a populist and libertarian than a conservative, more of a Perotista than a Reaganite. His interest in conspiracy theories is disquieting, as is his admiration for Ron Paul and his charges of American “imperialism.” (He is now talking about pulling troops out of Afghanistan, South Korea, Germany, and elsewhere.) Some of Beck’s statements—for example, that President Obama has a “deep-seated hatred for white people”–are quite unfair and not good for the country. His argument that there is very little difference between the two parties is silly, and his contempt for parties in general is anti-Burkean (Burke himself was a great champion of political parties). And then there is his sometimes bizarre behavior, from tearing up to screaming at his callers. Beck seems to be a roiling mix of fear, resentment, and anger—the antithesis of Ronald Reagan.

I understand that a political movement is a mansion with many rooms; the people who occupy them are involved in intellectual and policy work, in politics, and in polemics. Different people take on different roles. And certainly some of the things Beck has done on his program are fine and appropriate. But the role Glenn Beck is playing is harmful in its totality.

The clip cuts off before Beck has a chance to explain himself but presumably his argument is that there’s no difference between Republicans and Democrats these days and therefore we’re better off with a president whom the right doesn’t feel pressure to apologize for and whose tendencies towards big government it can oppose in earnest. If you believe that — that there’s no difference between the parties — then you haven’t been paying attention to Afghanistan, Iran, Russia, Honduras, Poland, and Czechoslovakia the Czech Republic lately. Epic fail.


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A few points…

The biggest difference between McCain being in the White House and Obama is that with McCain you’d need 2/3rds of Congress to override the veto, instead of a 60 vote Senate. The hurdle would have been higher but McCain would likely capitulate on some issues (cap and tax, immigration, a watered-down version of stimulus) that Obama easily supports. There would not have been much difference between an Obama White House and a McCain one, except the potential veto.

You’d still have the same outrageous spending, you’d have the Dems working on health care, and you’d have the same political climate in Washington now, but with a divided government. Putting all the eggs in the Democrats basket allows them free reign to s–t the bed and then allows the opposition to build against them, leading to Congressional losses in 2010 and hopefully a loss of the White House in 2012. Having the Republicans in the minority allows them to reinvent themselves — hopefully towards a more economic conservative mindset at the expense of the neoconservativism of Bush — and gives them a chance to come back in charge eventually.

It’s short term pain for long-term gain…but the Republicans have to be willing to reinvent back to a fiscally conservative plan that will work to pay down the debt, instead of merely balance spending…they need to understand that our demographics are changing and will need to address immigration at some point…and most importantly, they will need to come up with a clear agenda to clean out Washington…a new contract with America with actual bite behind it.

If the GOP can’t do that, then the pain won’t be short-term nor will there be any long term gain.

Dickie Dunn on September 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Glenn is not a RINO because he isn’t a Republican. He’s an independent, and he states that frequently.

Wilberforce_chick on September 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM

If you are who I think you are, then I am actually struggling to understand. Perspective, please.

Diane on September 22, 2009 at 11:04 AM

Listen, I know you have your club here. But you might go back to the drawing board re your unmasking conjecture. Or maybe don’t worry about it at all.

I_C on September 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM

However, there is but one CJ in this universe. And I would not compare AP to CJ on the issue of open dialogue. Nor would I compare AP to CJ on any level of malice.

maverick muse on September 22, 2009 at 11:25 AM

Sorry if my words have been misunderstood. I compared them on one single issue, the willingness to smear Beck with vicious lies. Of course on other issues they are quite different, AP being a fiscal con and CJ being totally insane jazz musician.

Aristotle on September 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM

but it wouldn’t be as big because …
gwelf on September 22, 2009 at 11:33 AM

unless it would have been as big, or bigger, because NO ONE really wanted to be stuck voting for McCain out of all the Republican choices.

Shoulda woulda coulda is really boring.
I’m outta here.

maverick muse on September 22, 2009 at 11:36 AM

Aristotle on September 22, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Yes.

maverick muse on September 22, 2009 at 11:37 AM

MSM are talking about him. Hopefully the dumb masses will take a peek at his show and hear the truth.

marklmail on September 22, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Beck is right unfortunately in many ways. Mcain having no control and the ultimate comprimers would have caved to the Democratically controlled legislative branch instead of fighting for corp principal belies. McCain is another Neville Chamberlin, the ultimate appeaser and would have been know as the appeaser in chief. Sorry if you are a McCain fan,I like Glenn held my nose when I voted for him. As a 21 year vet I have the ultimate respect for him as a soldier and patriot. As a politican,I would not want him as my first choice among conservatives!

sargentj on September 22, 2009 at 11:41 AM

I_C on September 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Folks…it’s nearing noon. Hence, drinks are necessary. What’s your poison?

MadisonConservative on September 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM

The facts are a stubborn thing to overcome. Either prove beck wrong on the facts or take your Sal Alinsky Rules and burn them. We know the rules and we will use them now…Nothing Main Stream about the Fringe Media Markmail

sargentj on September 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM

right2bright – I forgot about Allahpundit’s constant attacks on Palin too.

This is getting old fast.

Bleed_thelizard on September 22, 2009 at 11:44 AM

Listen, I know you have your club here. But you might go back to the drawing board re your unmasking conjecture. Or maybe don’t worry about it at all.

I_C on September 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Not concerned. I’m ok with being wrong. I’ll leave speculation to the prophets. :o) Take care!

Diane on September 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

Three problems with this analysis:

One: Glenn Beck is certainly a conservative: Your problem is that he is far MORE than a conservative.

Two: I kinda agree with Glenn about the Hillary vs. McCain thing. It would probably have been even harder to overcome McCain’s drive toward horrible social policy than Hillary. Hillary would have compromised out her a** to our benefit – but McCain would have compromised out his a** to the Left’s benefit. Better to NOT have one of your “own” (and I used that phrase advisedly) ruining the country, than the other side. (Besides: Glenn was making a rhetorical point)

Three: Glenn does NOT claim to be a Republican. He CANNOT by definition be a RINO if he’s not not an “R”

seanrobins on September 22, 2009 at 11:54 AM

What a jerk. Just lost me as a supporter. Libertarian idiot.

rlwo2008 on September 22, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Stacy “The Other” McCain:

The GOP establishment in Washington has a surfeit of such parasitical careerists, who think that the Republican Party is about them, and not about all those millions of grassroots people who are, in fact, the conservative movement.

Wehner’s attack on Beck is framed as if the problem is political or ideological, but in fact the problem is Wehner’s own envy and ambition, which poisons his soul. And we know where that kind of attitude leads.

maverick muse on September 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM

I understand Glen’s point. He admitted this morning, that he should have worded it differently. Everyone knows McCain’s legislative history. He is a moderate who is more than eager to reach across the aisle. He will do, as with any politician, whatever it takes to promote his personal agenda. Yes, he has served this country amicably. However, he has also served himself. His squishy brand of Conservatism would have not been the ideal viewpoint in the WH. Would he have been worse than Obama? That’s hard to imagine. Immediately? No. For a long-term Conservative turnaround? Yes.

kingsjester on September 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM

Dang, I am SOOO late to the party here.

1) Beck’s right, there is very little difference between R and D on fiscal policies (save for a few sane conservatives)and this has a lot of us conservatives pissed off and trending anti-incumbency. But there is a HUGE difference between R and D on foreign policy, as AP points out. At this point, unless we get fiscal policy back in line, we’re toast – no matter what happens in foreign policy.

2) Beck has been EXTREMELY GOOD for the US – exposing corruption and especially the country’s drift away from constitutional principles, a sin shared by both R and D.

3) The election of Obama has galvanized conservatives and revitalized interest in, and awareness of conservative thought and constitutional principles in dramatic ways. This could never have happened with either McCain or Hilary- either would have just totally sold us up the river, and the conservative sleeping giant might never have re-awakened in time.

Fishoutofwater on September 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM

A known Paultard: give the Generals what they need to win Afghanistan

Aristotle on September 22, 2009 at 12:14 PM

As opposed to Peter Wehner, who is the face and disposition that should represent modern-day conservatism but who, alas, doesn’t have a No. 1 book, a hit Fox News program or a successful talk-radio show.

However, Wehner is supremely qualified for leadership, on the basis of . . .? Oh, wait, I’ve got it! Along with Michael Gerson, Wehner co-authored a 5,000-word opus entitled “The Path to Republican Revival,” which attracted widespread notice, prompting one critic to call it “a Brompton cocktail of bad writing in service of bad ideas, a surefire formula for Republican suicide.”

That treatise will live in infamy for a single four-word sentence that sums up the essence of the Gerson-Wehner ideology: “Herewith, a brief primer.”

Who is more “harmful to the conservative movement”? The exciting populist Beck or the boring elitist Wehner?

maverick muse on September 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM

He’s an entertainer first and foremost and an iconoclast. He regularly says things that are ‘edgy’ like a shock jock.

Not my cup of tea but he certainly has an audience.

Anders on September 22, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Sounds like … someone else we might know.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 22, 2009 at 12:18 PM

I like Ted Nugent’s attitude toward RINO’s…after all thanks to them Obambi is now our TOTUS and I could give a rats azz if McCain wasn’t a “true conservative” because as the last 9 months have proven we’d be much better off with McCain instead of THE ONE!

Liberty or Death on September 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Looking forward to the 1,000-rpm spinning in the comments for this remark,

Looking forwared to you posting the complete clip when it’s aired and not just a snippet.

BTW, why is it that you always post about the stupid stuff that Beck says and then comment on how stupid it is but never do the same regarding Charles Johnson?

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 22, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Aristotle on September 22, 2009 at 10:43 AM

Classy Allah, real classy.

baxtrice on September 22, 2009 at 12:26 PM

BTW, why is it that you always post about the stupid stuff that Beck says and then comment on how stupid it is but never do the same regarding Charles Johnson?

DethMetalCookieMonst on September 22, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Go to the main page and look at where the CJ page is now.

Regardless, AP is a professional provocateur. He’s the bad cop to Ed’s good cop. I’m not sure how much of it is artifice and how much is genuine jerkiness – regardless, he generates traffic and is thus good for business. I think it’s a cynical way to generate traffic, however business savvy it might be. But it’s not up to me to set Malkin’s business model for her.

AP can be grateful for that – I’d ask him to generate more actual content rather than coast by on insulting popular people on his popular website and resorting to centuries old debates. It’s easy to forget, but when he’s good he’s very good.

Unfortunately, “gotchas” on popular figures pay the bills with less mental exertion. More time to play with the old iPhone, I guess.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 22, 2009 at 12:31 PM

That’s ignoring the massive conservative response against McCain’s comprehensive immigration reform legislation, and the outrage from the Right over Bush’s progressive engineering of government.

maverick muse on September 22, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Yeah, and it totally overlooks the huge protests when hundreds of thousands of conservatives took to the streets in protest of that stuff when Bush and McCain were doing it!!

Hey, how did that last tea party come to be on 9/12, anyway?

Pablo on September 22, 2009 at 12:44 PM

God Bless Glenn Beck…

JohnBG on September 22, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Hey, how did McCain get the nomination again????

Pablo on September 22, 2009 at 12:51 PM

What movement?

bridgetown on September 22, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Right now the conservative movement is simply common folks with homemade signs and a former governor with a Facebook page. Gotta start somewhere.

jimmy2shoes on September 22, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Never like voting for the lesser of two evils. But if McCain won, we wouldn’t have the tea parties or the march on DC. Obama is over reaching, it’s waking people up. So i get Glen’s point. Glen also said the conservative movement might have been hindered for many years or ruined if McCain won.

jollybird on September 22, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Ronald Reagan:

http://www.reason.com/news/show/29318.html

“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals – if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”

Wehner is re-writing history here — and it’s very bad history.

PrestoPundit on September 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Wehner is re-writing history here — and it’s very bad history.

PrestoPundit on September 22, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Shallow, off the cuff analysis from the ascot and cocktail set will do that.

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 22, 2009 at 1:21 PM

First Allahpundit did his best to bash Palin now he is on a crusade against Beck. I don’t know if its just old fashion jealousy or he is the male version of Megan McCain.

wrath187 on September 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

So Obama is a backhanded “hero” for uniting conservatives as McCain would never have done. Hey, the 911 terrorists united America in the same manner. You saw how long that lasted! Let’s see. Under Obama IN ONLY 9 MONTHS:

1 The war in Afghanistan is being lost (and Iraq too will be a lost cause if troops are pulled out prematurely.)
2 The dollar could be on its way out as the universal currency and is steadily weakening viz a viz most other currencies.
3 Stocks are currently rising but many expect a second crash much worst than the first and treasury bonds are reaching junk status.
4 A permanent welfare constituency is being created.
5 Legalization of illegal aliens has been postponed only because of the furor over proposed socialized medicine.
6 Israel and Eastern Europe have been sold down the river either to appease Putin or to solidify a trade deal between Obama crony Jeff Immelt (GE CEO) and Russia.
7 California is being turned into a dust bowl eith to save an unimportant fish or to redistribute wealth by kicking out rich white farmers.
8 Cap and trade and socialized medicine are still grave threats if the nuclear option is utilized (After that illegal aliens will be naturalized to take full advantage of the inferior socialized medicine.).
9 Terrorists have been emboldened, apparently, to contemplate Madrid-style bombings on the NYC subways (and perhaps elsewhere). But such bombings will be “our fault” because wee’re “bad” and “racist”.
10 The country is being run by proxy by socialist George Soros and, on the local level, by union goons,crooked ACORN workers, and until very recently by Communist USA-hater Van Jones and is still being run by whackos like Cass Sunstein and by the tax-cheating Treasury Secretary..
11 Abortions have been facilitated exponentially.
12 “God is dead” said Nietzsche and kinda-sorta so do Obama’s lieutenants.
13 The debt is so horrific that it may be irreversible, condemning our children and future generations to economic slavery and third world poverty.
14 The education system is teetering on the brink of extinction-at least in competence.
I could go on and on and on and on( Obama fiddles while Iran goes nuclear for example) but yet Glenn Beck thinks McCain would be worse? Sounds like “the hook” for a new book if you ask me,

MaiDee on September 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM

wrath187 on September 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Professional Contrarian trash talks Popular Person from his Popular Website. Proceeds to take comfort in own sense of intellectual superiority and welcomes influx of Controversy Driven Traffic. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

*yawn*

TheUnrepentantGeek on September 22, 2009 at 1:27 PM

ONE MORE REASON….McCain would have been worse?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTMloaj6b68
“You don’t have to be scared of Obama as President of the United States.”

This genius in the White House……nope.

PappyD61 on September 22, 2009 at 1:31 PM

MaiDee on September 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM Under Obama IN ONLY 9 MONTHS:

Everything would be the same under McCain except the war. That is the main reason I vote for McCain

jollybird on September 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Mark Levin is NOT going to like this. He will go nuclear on Beck tonight.

alteredbeat on September 21, 2009 at 7:41 PM

Ok I’ll tune in because that will be freaking hilarious. Honestly, I got tired of him b*tching and sniping at Beck without actually naming him. Maybe this time he’ll come right out and say it. Personally, I think they both have some superiority complex.

we’re better off with a president whom the right doesn’t feel pressure to apologize for and whose tendencies towards big government it can oppose in earnest.

I don’t know about this. I have no doubt that McCain would have been better on soo many fronts, but, like someone else pointed out, he would have given in on many things too. I think having such a stark difference has forced the GOP to stiffen their political spine. Still don’t trust some of them worth a darn, but it’s a chess game you have to work with what you have.

McCain, like Bush, represents the Republican Party that has disgust for the very people they need to get elected. Its one thing to buck your party because your constituents expect you represent them and quite another to buck the party to score political points in DC. McCain would have done the latter. And though Palin would have been VP, he wouldn’t have listened to her, like Bush didn’t listen to Cheney.

It’s on that front that I agree with Beck- somewhat. Not that McCain would have been worse than Obama, but that there’s essentially no difference when you start tallying things up. They are all purely political creatures; they don’t believe in much of anything until they have to.

And Wehner’s missing the point on Beck. I’ve listened to him enough to know. The only time he tends to get emotional is when he’s talking about his children. He rarely screams at his callers, unless they just say something to piss him off. Hell, Levin yells more than he does. We’ve all heard that call- the woman was intentionally poking him. Most of the time, he just makes fun of people like that. And I don’t care what Wehner says, anytime he was willing to sit in that church for 20 odd years and listen to that man’s racist, anti Semitic comments, then say that he’s “like family” and talk about his “typical white” grandmother that RAISED HIM!!!- Barack Obama has some serious psychological issues dealing with race. Personally, I think that he does have a problem with white people. (Or put more academically- colonial imperialists.) If that is hatred, I can’t say. I think it’s mostly distrust. However, Beck’s the only one with the balls to say it, and EXPRESSLY say it, not just hint at it. Everyone else is a bunch of pansies.

There’s no doubt that Obama is a train wreck. But sometimes I think people need to see the absolute worse in order to dig themselves out of a rut. And conservatives are doing exactly that.

xax on September 22, 2009 at 2:02 PM

THERE IS NO DEFINITE LEADER SPEAKING UP FOR US (YET)

ohiobabe on September 22, 2009 at 8:45 AM

Why do we need a leader? I will not be a sheep like the Obots. Count me out.

xax on September 22, 2009 at 2:07 PM

So Obama is a backhanded “hero” for uniting conservatives as McCain would never have done. Hey, the 911 terrorists united America in the same manner. You saw how long that lasted! Let’s see. Under Obama IN ONLY 9 MONTHS:

1 The war in Afghanistan is being lost (and Iraq too will be a lost cause if troops are pulled out prematurely.)
2 The dollar could be on its way out as the universal currency and is steadily weakening viz a viz most other currencies.
3 Stocks are currently rising but many expect a second crash much worst than the first and treasury bonds are reaching junk status.
4 A permanent welfare constituency is being created.
5 Legalization of illegal aliens has been postponed only because of the furor over proposed socialized medicine.
6 Israel and Eastern Europe have been sold down the river either to appease Putin or to solidify a trade deal between Obama crony Jeff Immelt (GE CEO) and Russia.
7 California is being turned into a dust bowl eith to save an unimportant fish or to redistribute wealth by kicking out rich white farmers.
8 Cap and trade and socialized medicine are still grave threats if the nuclear option is utilized (After that illegal aliens will be naturalized to take full advantage of the inferior socialized medicine.).
9 Terrorists have been emboldened, apparently, to contemplate Madrid-style bombings on the NYC subways (and perhaps elsewhere). But such bombings will be “our fault” because wee’re “bad” and “racist”.
10 The country is being run by proxy by socialist George Soros and, on the local level, by union goons,crooked ACORN workers, and until very recently by Communist USA-hater Van Jones and is still being run by whackos like Cass Sunstein and by the tax-cheating Treasury Secretary..
11 Abortions have been facilitated exponentially.
12 “God is dead” said Nietzsche and kinda-sorta so do Obama’s lieutenants.
13 The debt is so horrific that it may be irreversible, condemning our children and future generations to economic slavery and third world poverty.
14 The education system is teetering on the brink of extinction-at least in competence.
I could go on and on and on and on( Obama fiddles while Iran goes nuclear for example) but yet Glenn Beck thinks McCain would be worse? Sounds like “the hook” for a new book if you ask me,

MaiDee on September 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM

And, even against all this, Republicans will STILL lose if they remain stupid enough to run yet another RINO in 2012.

jay12 on September 22, 2009 at 2:12 PM

I think that my post at 7:05 AM on September 22, 2009, effectively shows that Beck and the posters who agree with Back are as wrong as wrong can be. So, for those posters since 7:05 AM today who agree with Beck, I refer you to my 7:05 AM post.

It is too bad Beck made the comment. He has lost credibility with me.

Phil Byler on September 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM

jollybird on September 22, 2009 at 1:57 PM

Don’t want anybody confused that I’m a McCainiac. Machiavelli said that when confronted with evils, one must choose the lesser evil. Domestically McCain would have much the same as Obama but NOT to the degree.

The point I was making is that 1 Nobody could be worse than Obama as president-not even Van Jones!
2 Even though Glenn Beck is my hero 90 % of the time, this time, his remarks were so singular, that either he must be writing an expose or he needs to increase his thorizine dosage.

MaiDee on September 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM

He rarely screams at his callers, unless they just say something to piss him off. Hell, Levin yells more than he does. We’ve all heard that call- the woman was intentionally poking him.

He’s been screaming “Get off my phone” for years. See Best of Callers – Volume 1:

Our first offering in the “best of” genre of CD’s. Some will say “where are they going to get ‘best of’ material? Certainly not from their show.” Those people don’t understand the concept of “best of.” It simply means the best stuff that we have done, not necessarily that it is actually good. Anyway, this CD encompasses many of the best callers from over the past few years. Hear from Wilifred, Bill Rogers, Abdul, David “the worst caller”, and of course Glenn yelling “GET OFF MY PHONE!!!” a few hundred times.

It’s a bit, folks.

Pablo on September 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Before the election, when people asked who I liked, I answered, neither of those dolts. Obama was a shyster, a liar who would tell the people one thing, and do something completely different. Like all Liberals, he believes that someone should do things that he doesn’t have to.

McCain was a known and demonstrated liar, who gave lip service to the national security regarding border security. Who nearly abolished free speech with McCain Feingold, who trampled our civil rights with the PATRIOT ACT, and who was the Press’s favorite Republican, because he spent most of his time bashing Conservatives.

Who would I have liked to vote for? Former Senator Zell Miller would have been a great choice. Condi Rice would have been a nice change. Herman Cain would have been a real pleasure to vote for. Yet, we got a Democrat, and a Socialist to choose between.

At least with Obama, the Republicans pretend they’re conservative. They forgot that with President Bush. They passed Bankruptcy reform, which hasn’t delivered on one promise to the people, but has delivered on every single promise to the credit card companies. We got the PATRIOT ACT, which basically said that the Forth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments were null and void if a Special Agent of the Federal Government said so. When did it become a Conservative value to trample individual liberty?

At least with Obama, the Republicans remember what Reagan said, not just that he was President. With Bush, they forgot what Reagan said, and what he stood for.

Republicans gained power in 1994 by slowing Government Growth, and reducing Government through the Clinton years. Once Bush was in office, it was full Government ahead. We had hundreds of new departments, and every single Federal Agency had a Swat Team for Terrorist events. Um, when the terrorists blew up the subway’s in London, what good was a SWAT team? When the Terrorists blew up the Trains in Spain, was it because the Spanish didn’t have a SWAT team with their Department of Education?

We fought a good war in Iraq, and gained control of the Country. Then we ignored the rising insurgency and the importation of Jihadist’s until it was so painfully obvious that we had to admit, it wasn’t quite Mission Accomplished after all.

We Conservatives let Bush get away with too much. We chastised those who opposed him and the Bankruptcy Bill as disloyal Republicans. Anyone who said that Bush was wrong on anything earned the wrath of the Republicans and the Conservatives who kept praying that Bush was a Conservative at heart and was only trying to find the middle of the road.

I’m not a Republican. I gave that up after too many examples of the Blue Blood Republicans running the party. I’m a Conservative, and to a large extent, I actually agree with Beck. I don’t know if I could take four, or eight more years of the Republicans explaining how killing capitalism to save capitalism was the plan.

Perhaps now that we have Jimmy Carter’s incompetent brother in office, we can find a Ronald Reagan to guide us back to the path of what America really is. Probably not, most Republicans would sneer at the unenlightened ideas of Reagan today, how awful they would cry. Individual freedom to excel, or fail, based upon your own merits.

Snake307 on September 22, 2009 at 2:51 PM

MaiDee on September 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Got your point, Obama is definitely worse. But look how Bush hurt the conservative movement. McCain with his amnesty for illeagals, campain finace reform, enviromental mind set would have hurt the country, yes maybe far less but then no one would be freaking out as they are now. Glen shouldn’t have been so emphatic about McCain being worse. His point got lost.

jollybird on September 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Looks like 4 more years of Obama and the ruination of the country. If there are still people out there who ironically regard themselves as “conservatives” yet are too stupid or stubborn to admit to themselves that letting the perfect be the enemy of the good non horror show is just support of the socialists and traitors who want to wreck the country then we are profoundly screwed.

Boxy_Brown on September 22, 2009 at 3:04 PM

what is it about couric that makes conservatives say something stupid, first Palin, now Beck?

la.rt.wngr on September 22, 2009 at 3:13 PM

McCain supported TARP, Geitner-Paulson, Bernanke, and admitted he didn’t understand what to do wtih the economy, so I don’t see he gets any credit for being “better” than Obama. McCain not only supported amnesty and cap’n'tax, he wanted illegals who appropriated a citizen’s SSN account to be repaid their deposits. McCain lies about Bush failing in Iraq until he showed the way, when the Surge would not have succeeded without the example of Fallujah. And McCain still will not admit the problem in Afghanistan is not that we cannot serve and protect the common folk of the hills, but that we will not kill them until they give up fighting.

Chris_Balsz on September 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Looks like 4 more years of Obama and the ruination of the country. If there are still people out there who ironically regard themselves as “conservatives” yet are too stupid or stubborn to admit to themselves that letting the perfect be the enemy of the good non horror show is just support of the socialists and traitors who want to wreck the country then we are profoundly screwed.

Boxy_Brown on September 22, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Amen. Alleluia. When my sewer line erupts I do not want a succession of halfass plumbers who will slow the leak. I want it FIXED. The current socialist is a crisis to you moderates because your crew will NEVER, EVER rollback an entitlement. You think you belong on Mt. Rushmore if you restrain yourselves to adding one or two every 4 years. Nothing will justify carte blanche approval for government by poll that you crave.

Chris_Balsz on September 22, 2009 at 3:25 PM

MaiDee on September 22, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Gosh golden flower, you need more than a little mirth, happiness and song in your life…!

Geezer on September 22, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Beck is not a conservative. He is a self serving charlatan who wants Obama to win a second term because Obama has been a real gravy train for Beck, a regular gold mine.

He hates Republicans. He does not like most conservatives. He does not support the Patriot Act. If he would rather see Obama in there than McCain then he could care less about the role of the Commander in Chief.

I am tired of hearing his followers proclaim that he is some sort of paragon of conservative virtue, he is nothing of the kind.

Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 3:33 PM

Chris:

You moderates? Please, Bush tried to reform social security and where was Beck?? Oh yeah, he was whining about the Patriot Act and talking about impeaching Bush over the borders or whatever. He could have cared less about entitlements.

Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 3:35 PM

Fine. I won’t vote for Beck either.

Chris_Balsz on September 22, 2009 at 3:37 PM

In fact Chris, to say that we are better off with Obama, means that Beck is not all that bothered by bailouts and takeovers and all the rest of it. After months of all his conspiracy theories about Obama, he turns around and says he is better than Bush.

If you do not support TARP, then you do not say we are better off with the guy who supported TARP and talked about TARP 2 and supported a few trillion dollars in spending on top of that.

McCain was positively frugal compared to Obama. If Beck can not see that, then he is nuts.

And what is more, if the next Republican nominee fails to say how high when Beck says jump I bet money he goes after him or her too. It is not as if he really gives a damn if the Democrats keep running things. It has worked out pretty good for him so far.

Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 3:39 PM

That should have said Beck Obama was better than McCain, although I would not be surprised if he did think he was better than Bush too.

Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 3:41 PM

In fact Chris, to say that we are better off with Obama, means that Beck is not all that bothered by bailouts and takeovers and all the rest of it. After months of all his conspiracy theories about Obama, he turns around and says he is better than Bush.

Where’d you get that idea?

Pablo on September 22, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Beck is not a conservative. He is a self serving charlatan

Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 3:33 PM

How exactly is he a “charlatan”, if he never claimed the mantle of conservativism in the first place?

This is rivaling with Allahpundit’s shtick of issuing a RINO title to a guy who’s never been a Republican.

Stupid.

Aristotle on September 22, 2009 at 3:46 PM

The slide into nanny statism would have been slower under McCain but it would still be. Therein lies the problem with a McCain presidency. Would we have continued wearing blinders as we did with Bush and fail to recognize the growing beast of expanding government power? Lulled into complacency by the (R) after his name, would we be so agitated and committed as we are today to opposing the smiling fascism we now see before us? Perhaps not. Does this make me glad we have Ogabe? Hardly. I love America more than I love the thought of destroying the Democrat party. I’d rather the country had awakened sooner, but it is what it is and we have to work with that. Beck is a good and useful teacher, but it is up to us to decide what part of his teaching is truth and what part is self-serving BS.

SKYFOX on September 22, 2009 at 3:51 PM

TARP was stupid. The integrity of the dollar is a superior concern to preserving the banking corporations intact. That is one reason we uphold the corporate model, because it compartmentalizes failure. Bush should not have breached the dam. Saying that was fine, ok, sure, but not TARP 2!! is silly. It misses the obvious point that Bush agreed to a open-ended federal guarantee of Wall Street that to mean anything, has to be renewable. The first TARP means commitment to TARP II, III, and IV. That Bush was lucky enough to leave for Crawford before the Bank Trust demanded another helping was Obama’s misfortune, not a distinction between the two. Or between McCain, who as usual put consensus above being right.

Chris_Balsz on September 22, 2009 at 3:53 PM

Yeah, well, it is what it is.

Beck is OK with me, although I don’t watch him at all. I hate cable TV news channels no matter who is on them and what they are talking about. With a passion.

NoDonkey on September 22, 2009 at 3:55 PM

Although, IMO, no one could be worse for America than Obama, Beck’s opinion regarding McCain probably is not very far from my own.

McCain when out of his way to earn the distaste that many conservatives feel towards him.

ARom on September 22, 2009 at 4:04 PM

ARom:

McCain’s conservative rating was not real high, it was about 82%, but if I remember correctly Obama’s is in the single digits and Beck is not really a conservative at all himself.

Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 4:13 PM

In fact Chris, to say that we are better off with Obama, means that Beck is not all that bothered by bailouts and takeovers and all the rest of it. After months of all his conspiracy theories about Obama, he turns around and says he is better than Bush.

Where’d you get that idea?

Pablo on September 22, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Actually, if you look at my next post, I fixed that, it was a typo, a freudian slip maybe. But to be honest, I did hear Beck say that Bush was wrong on the Patriot Act and should have been impeached because of his immigration policy.

Beck hates everyone.

Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 4:15 PM

SKYFOX:

What makes you think Beck cares about any of that? He is a populist and a libertarian.

Terrye on September 22, 2009 at 4:16 PM

Hmmm…. Seems Beck really is rethinking Ron Paul in a lot of ways:

http://www.examiner.com/x-23963-Salt-Lake-City-Independent-Examiner~y2009m9d20-Glenn-Beck-wants-a-time-machine-to-rethink-Ron-Paul

Firefly_76 on September 22, 2009 at 4:30 PM

This is the problem wiht Beck, sometimes he just goes to far

KBird on September 22, 2009 at 5:34 PM

who the hell is pete wehner? he doesn’t even have a wiki.

snoopicus on September 22, 2009 at 5:38 PM

McCain worse than Obama!!! Not in my wildest dreams can I imagine that. On some issues he might have been close to Obama but on others, national defense for one, I suspect he would be miles apart. Of course all this is wild spectulation since we’ll never know what kind of president McCain would have been. We’re stuck for the loser Obama for the next 3 1/2 years and maybe longer if we keep thinking that the Republicans are no better than the Dems.

docdave on September 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM

It’s a bit, folks.

Pablo on September 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM

I’m sorry but how many years, days, hours has he been on radio? I’m not taking a best of CD as de facto evidence of Beck being a screamer.

If that’s the case, then Britney Spears must be a musical genius. Look at how many chart toppers she’s had. Oh look, Menudo has a best of CD too.

xax on September 22, 2009 at 6:06 PM

Who’s kookier?
Paul or Obama?

Itchee Dryback on September 22, 2009 at 6:08 PM

Well, enough is enough. If the GOP wants to win national elections, it needs to go back to its traditional views on social issues, the role of government, and fiscal conservatism. It needs to find a leader who can appeal to the GOP base conservatives. That means a move away from country club RINOs like McCain and until that debate is over with, there isn’t going to be unity within the GOP.

I’m very bitter with the GOP leadership that engineered McCain’s victory, sought to disenfranchise the social conservatives, and continue to prop up political traitors like McCain, Collins, and Specter before he jumped ship.

highhopes on September 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I was thinking you didn’t understand. But, I see that you do. It’s the Reagan Revolution part II.

Blacksmith8 on September 22, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Jenfidel,

Neocons are interventionist. Keep your labels to yourself moron.

Spathi on September 22, 2009 at 7:41 PM

If Glenn Beck has such problems w/the GOP, he needs to take it. Its his for the taking. It was Palin’s for the taking but she has drawn back. The Republican Party is a rudderless ship.

Glenn, take the GOP. You have the juice. Do it. DD

Darvin Dowdy on September 22, 2009 at 8:02 PM

I think Beck lost a few points with that one. He really should put some more thought into it and explain himself a little better. My number one reason for voting for McCain was the fact he would make an excellent Commander and Chief. While Obama has already claimed the spot as the WORST Commander in Chief this country has ever had.

ronnyraygun on September 22, 2009 at 9:11 PM

Let’s face it…the Republican Party has been brought down by cowardice. Even Joe Wilson folds like a cheap camera.

jay12 on September 22, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Marl Levin should join the Democrat Party.

Actually Levin should join up and go fight in Afghanistan. We can bring the troops home and leave Levin and Bush over there to nation build.

Spathi on September 22, 2009 at 10:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwHzgnCcS_s

Mark Levin takes him out….and Beck deserves it for his dumbass opinions.

AprilOrit on September 22, 2009 at 11:57 PM

I agree with Beck. McCain winning would have been worse for America because so many of us who are awake and asking questions about WTF is happening to our country would have stayed on our couches. McCain is for TARP, Cap and Tax, Amenity, and Nationalized Health Control. I just don’t see a big difference.
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I think that had McCain won, the discussions and debates going on here on this blog and across the country would have been muted.
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Granted he would have been much better in foreign policy, but if something is not done soon, at the rate at which our Debt is growing, we won’t be able to afford much more force projection overseas.

JeffVader on September 23, 2009 at 3:15 AM

AprilOrit on September 22, 2009 at 11:57 PM

Right, I’ve read your opinions before, you only say this cause Beck is getting the points through to alot more people.

jollybird on September 23, 2009 at 3:24 AM

Levin, Rush, Hannity, Beck, and and do I dare mention Savage all have their Points. I hope they stick to exposing what is wrong with Big Government and be gentlemanly when refering to one another.

jollybird on September 23, 2009 at 3:35 AM

Oh, and as for Levin’s outburst….He and others, in my opinion, are just a little jealous of Beck’s rise to popularity. I don’t think Levin or any of the others could rally so many folks. I argue that non of these guys, Levin, Limbaugh, Savage, O’Rielly or the other’s WOULD, even if they could, rally the troops. Look, Levin and Rush have had hugh audiences for years and years, and have done nothing. They have really never provided anything more than an echo chamber! No action plans, no focus for their listens to make a difference. They just yelled into the microphone, so often towing the line of the Republican party, good or bad.
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Now Beck comes along and in 8 months has put together a network for regular folks to connect and organize. He has started a movement. He has already made a difference. He has organized the 9/12 Project and the Watchdogs. The others, all those years… I’ve listen to them…..just yell and whine on and on.
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Sure, I wish he hadn’t said what he said. It serves no purpose. And if I could get a message to him I’d tell him to watch out for hubris. It sneaks up on people that rise to the top too quickly.
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And as for Scarborough, I believe MSNBC is what it says on the bottom of his paycheck. He’s got to attack when there is blood in the water. The MSM has been waiting for a stumble from Beck and now they will attack relentlessly.

JeffVader on September 23, 2009 at 3:39 AM

Levin, Rush, Hannity, Beck, and and do I dare mention Savage all have their Points. I hope they stick to exposing what is wrong with Big Government and be gentlemanly when refering to one another.

jollybird on September 23, 2009 at 3:35 AM

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X 10 AGREED!

JeffVader on September 23, 2009 at 3:40 AM

What happened to Joe Scarborough? I used to watch him on the cspan when he represented the great state of Florida. He was always conservative, now he entertains the dark side. I wonder if he likes his Job there at PMSNBC.

jollybird on September 23, 2009 at 3:58 AM

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