BaucusCare raising taxes in two ways
posted at 8:48 am on September 21, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Allahpundit wrote about this last night, but it’s worth emphasizing a couple of other big points about Barack Obama and this plan by Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) to overhaul the American health-care system. First, Obama seems to take ownership of this plan by coming to its defense not from Republican attacks but by criticism from Democrats over the issue of middle-class taxation. He starts by claiming that Americans are getting taxed by insurers with price increases as a means of excusing what are actually two big government bites in the Baucus bill:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Yet this week, Senator Rockefeller and several other Democrats say that this bill by Senator Baucus is a big middle class tax increase.
Do you agree and does that mean you can’t sign it?
OBAMA: Well, I don’t agree. I think that what they were referring to — and I haven’t looked at the quotes. But I think that they were concerned about whether or not this was actually affordable. If you’re saying to people, you’ve got to get health insurance but they can’t actually afford it and they have to pay a penalty if they don’t get it, then that’s a pretty big burden on middle class families. That’s a concern I share — making sure that this is affordable.
But the first thing we’ve got to understand is you’ve got what is effectively a tax increase taking place on American families right now. The Kaiser Family Foundation report just came out last week. Health care premiums went up 5.5 percent last year, at a time when the rest of the economy, inflation was actually negative. So that is a huge bite out of people’s pockets.
First, this is absurd. Rising prices are now a “tax” when it comes from a private-sector industry raising its prices in response to rising costs associated with technological advances and demand outstripping supply. However, when Obama and Congress intend to hike energy prices by $1761 per household per year through direct government intervention into the energy market, that’s not a tax? With the latter, the money goes directly to the government, making it much more of a tax than rising insurance prices, which go to cover the costs of the risk pools. Right now, the entire health-insurance industry makes an anemic 3.3% profit margin, which means the price increases of 5.5% last year doesn’t mean the money is going to the stockholders.
Then Obama tries dropping this explanation on Stephanopoulos:
STEPHANOPOULOS: You were against the individual mandate…
OBAMA: Yes.
STEPHANOPOULOS: …during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t
How is that not a tax?
OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here’s what’s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that. That’s just piling on.
If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s…
STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.
OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase.
People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs.
All of that would be arguable if it weren’t for the fact that the Baucus bill calls the fine for not complying with the individual mandate an “excise tax”. Really. It’s right there in the bill, as Jazz Shaw points out, on page 29, Subtitle D, Shared Responsibility:
Excise Tax. The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax. If a taxpayer’s MAGI is between 100-300 percent of FPL, the excise tax for failing to obtain coverage for an individual in a taxpayer unit (either as a taxpayer or an individual claimed as a dependent) is $750 per year. However, the minimum penalty for the taxpayer unit is $1,500. If a taxpayer’s MAGI is above 300 percent of FPL the penalty for failing to obtain coverage for an individual in a taxpayer unit (either as a taxpayer or as an individual claimed as a dependent) is $950 year. However, the maximum penalty amount a family above 300 percent of FPL would pay is $3,800.
And it’s not the only excise tax, either. I wrote last week about the excise tax on so-called “Cadillac plans”, a 35% tax on insurers (including self-insuring employers) who offer individual plans that cost more than $8,000 or family plans greater than $21,000. Now, Obama could argue that this particular tax will likely never get applied, because insurers and employers will simply stop offering plans in that price range, but that creates another big problem. Baucus plans on getting $259 billion over ten years from that tax, revenue that he uses to fund his overhaul. If that tax never generates any revenue, which it almost assuredly will not, then BaucusCare has a hole in its funding for about a third of its cost. It will be a disaster.
The bottom line is that the Baucus plan and its mandates comprise two new taxes, both of which will hit the middle class, and both — not coincidentally — to be managed by the IRS. If that doesn’t fit the dictionary definition of taxes, then what does?










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GarandFan on September 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Ugh yeah sure it is. If you exclude those items that nobody buys like food and electricity.
angryed on September 21, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Be altruistic, put up your own capital and start a non-profit insurance company. Don’t expect me to pay for anything.
daesleeper on September 21, 2009 at 11:02 AM
A tax which isn’t a tax is as absurd today as ‘spending cuts’ which were reductions in the rate of growth in 1994. George’s interview was an attempt at a wake-up call.
thirtypundit on September 21, 2009 at 11:03 AM
But Ed, remember that refinancing your mortgage is “like a tax cut”, so it all balances out.
Given the number of statements that are just plain wrong, I’m actually starting to wonder if the President is actually a moron. Surely he can’t be so addled that he thinks these things are true, can he? Increasing premiums are a tax hike, profits come off the top, I can get $4 trillion in savings by slowing cost growth… These were not remarks made off the cuff, they were prepared. And so I must ask:
Is he really that stupid, or does he just assume that everyone else is? I don’t know which answer makes me feel better, frankly.
landshark on September 21, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Even Obama’s car insurance analogy doesn’t hold up. People are required to get LIABILITY insurance if they drive on public roads–meaning they are insured if they kill or injure someone ELSE with their car, or damage someone ELSE’s car.
People are NOT required to get COLLISION insurance, which covers damage to their OWN car in an accident which is their own fault. This is a person’s own free decision, whether or not the value of their own car is worth the price of collision insurance, and people with older, less valuable cars tend to drop collision insurance. People also have the choice of not driving a car, and therefore not buying car insurance.
State governments require auto liability insurance because driving a car can endanger other people, who need protection if one person’s irresponsible driving injures another person. But how does a person who elects not to carry health insurance endanger anyone else, unless he/she gets a contagious disease?
Besides, if someone gets hit by a bus, isn’t that person’s emergency care covered by the bus company’s liability insurance?
Obama SHOULD be an expert at this–how many people has he thrown under his bus?
Steve Z on September 21, 2009 at 11:18 AM
First he wanted to go after the oil companies and their profits and that didn’t work so he’s going to try the health insurance companies. I think Zero has it in is mind he’s going to get money from big company and he doesn’t care which one.
For all of those saying that he’s going to tax us, in his eyes that isn’t true, because it’s a fine. Not a tax but a fine. It’s 2 words spelled totally different and mean 2 different things. I have a feeling this is what the White House is thinking fine not a tax.
Brat4life on September 21, 2009 at 11:23 AM
The economic freedom issues (i.e. mandatory health care requirement under government mandates) and civil liberties (i.e. IRS fee collection and our financial and doctors/hospital held medical records released to the government) remain in some form in the Baucus bill. Do they think the American people are fools. So for helping 8 or so million who can’t afford insurance but may have expensive personal habits like smoking and drinking nor can they be covered under present government programs, we the people have to undergo a transition to mandated socialist health care. Wonderful, just expletive deleted wonderful.
I am coming to the conclusion that nothing we have done to date has changed minds in congress over this impingement of our civil liberties and economic freedoms and therefore Americans must prepared to shut this congress down as was done in Tennessee after the governor and legislature proposed to vote in and approve a state income tax in 1999. Go to glennreynolds.com/?p=8 for some details.
With the reported 26,000 TEA Party organizations in our great country, we could make life difficult for those cloistered in DC.
amr on September 21, 2009 at 11:28 AM
It’s racist to call that fee a tax.
Proof? we don’ need no steenkin proof.
WWS on September 21, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Want proof that he’s still campaigning? Freudian slip at 1:09.
CynicalOptimist on September 21, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Well said!
batter on September 21, 2009 at 11:32 AM
you can choose not to drive and thereby do not have to purchase auto insurance. That’s the BIG difference. With Obama care the only thing you can choose not to do to not have to purchase it would be LIVE.
katablog.com on September 21, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Does that make sense? For the most part, my insurance company is negotiating better than “average” or “standard” reimbursements for care. I understand the idea of hospitals passing on the costs of those who can’t pay, but I’m pretty sure I’m not paying much for it in my premiums. I know I am with some of my charitable donations and with part of my tax money though.
taznar on September 21, 2009 at 11:38 AM
It’s right there on page 29 of the Baucus bill ..
Excise Tax. The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax.
I’m just sick to death of our President acting like the buffoon (that is an act .. isn’t it ?).
Clearly he doesn’t even know what’s in these bills, so obviously none of these bills are his plan, which remains as amorphous as ever in a permanent state of “vaporware“.
Obama’s inability to put pen to paper to communicate his plan really makes one wonder if those rumours of Bill Ayers writing Obama’s books are true.
J_Crater on September 21, 2009 at 12:01 PM
George S. is in such an unenviable position. Here he is interviewing the man he worships, and he can’t find a question that doesn’t make Obama look like either a moron or a liar.
hawksruleva on September 21, 2009 at 12:11 PM
And auto insurance’s role is to protect people from drivers who can hurt you. Health insurance is protecting you from yourself.
Also, auto insurance doesn’t cover gas & oil changes, or new rims and paint, or even a new transmission when the old one goes bad. It only covers a catastrophic event.
hawksruleva on September 21, 2009 at 12:14 PM
warden on September 21, 2009 at 2:47 PM
The man that can’t commit to cutting off funding to corrupt Acorn will be able to cut enough fraud from medicare to insure the entire population? Yeah, right.
The SEIU is already trying to organize healthcare workers throughout the nation…and they’ll succeed, when they get card check and there is no real vote by workers.
Wanna bet Acorn will have their hands out to help the less fortunate enroll in Obamacare?
njpat on September 21, 2009 at 11:30 PM
If that’s truly how you feel, Mr. President, then how do you reconcile that with your goal of wealth redistribution? Before you answer, remember that you were the one who just championed individual responsibility.
On a related note, I remember a while back hearing some compare Obama to Reagan, saying he is The Great Communicator. I think it’s more like “The Great Prevaricator.”
Shockwave on September 21, 2009 at 11:48 PM
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