Jimmy Carter’s NSA: Hey, let’s shoot down Israeli jets if they fly over Iraq to attack Iran

posted at 6:54 pm on September 20, 2009 by Allahpundit

A stark reminder via Goldfarb that no matter how bad you think The One is, we could do — and have done — worse.

DB: How aggressive can Obama be in insisting to the Israelis that a military strike might be in America’s worst interest?

Brzezinski: We are not exactly impotent little babies. They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?

DB: What if they fly over anyway?

Brzezinski: Well, we have to be serious about denying them that right. That means a denial where you aren’t just saying it. If they fly over, you go up and confront them. They have the choice of turning back or not. No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.

Goldfarb in reply: “So conjure the image — the Obama administration sending U.S. aircraft up to protect Iran’s airspace and it’s nuclear installations from an attack by a democracy that is one of America’s closest allies.” Indeed. Why is it, I wonder, that this eminence grise of the left, whose side is forever screeching at the right to stop warmongering and embrace diplomacy, is suddenly ready to start blowing F-15s out of the sky over Baghdad instead of reprimanding Israel diplomatically after the fact? That’s an awfully curious stroke of belligerence given that (a) the IAF would be entering Iraqi airspace to attack not the United States but one of its chief enemies, (b) a successful attack on Iran’s facilities would at least delay a nuclear crisis in the Gulf for a few years, and (c) the only reason Israel hasn’t struck already is because it’s put its faith, very stupidly, in the west’s ability to deter Iran with, ahem, diplomacy. In an odd way, it reminds me of the DNC promising a “rain of hellfire” on critics of ObamaCare while The One’s gearing up to schmooze with the dregs of international autocracy this week at the UN. Our side likes to bait the left by accusing them of weakness, but they seem plenty capable of tough talk and hardline reprisals if you’re an American conservative or Israeli Zionist. Funny, that.

As for Brzezinski’s creepy anticipation of a new U.S.S. Liberty incident, whether “in reverse” or not, Goldfarb’s got that right too. Maybe not for ZB but for many others, that’s not a bug in the plan, it’s a feature.


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katy on September 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM

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lovingmyUSA on September 20, 2009 at 6:57 PM

Yep, after actually manning up and atomizing that terrorist in Somalia, I think BO is going to have to work at ending up a worse president than Carter.

see-dubya on September 20, 2009 at 6:57 PM

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katy on September 20, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Oh yeah:

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see-dubya on September 20, 2009 at 6:58 PM

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fourdeucer on September 20, 2009 at 6:58 PM

Knock it off with the blank posts, katy.

Allahpundit on September 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM

I’m beginning to think Obama is trotting out all the oldies like Carter, Brzezinski and Albright to convince us Death Panels would be a good thing.

Rocks on September 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Dubbya Tee Eff!!!

Green Muse on September 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Israel does not now, nor has it ever, had any faith in the west’s or the US’s ability to negotiate successfully with Iran. They simply determined that waiting would produce the best possible outcome.

Immolate on September 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM

No one wishes for this but it could be a Liberty in reverse.

I don’t believe him.

jhffmn on September 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM

What an idiot.

Now a whole new generation gets to see where Mika got her brains.

Creeptard.

And what is up with the blank posts? Is the “Preview” button broken?

darkpixel on September 20, 2009 at 7:01 PM

Sweet

I’ve always wondered how the IDF would fare against, say, the 82nd in a war

blatantblue on September 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM

I’m beginning to think Obama is trotting out all the oldies like Carter, Brzezinski and Albright to convince us Death Panels would be a good thing.

Rocks on September 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM

It is, I admit, an alluring argument…

darkpixel on September 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM

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katy on September 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM

So, er, doesn’t Israel have battle cruisers where they can launch planes in close proximity to Iran. Submarines?

SouthernGent on September 20, 2009 at 7:04 PM

2.0

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Knock it off with the blank posts, katy.

Allahpundit on September 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Thank you! They are annoying. I was wondering if it was some silent protest or inside joke.

Monica on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Jimmy Carter. All he wants is. Pudding.

Key West Reader on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Ya just because Israel is our friend doesn’t mean we should support them. I mean just because Ahmadinijad is an apocalyptic maniac itching to nuke Israel doesn’t mean we should oppose him. Right?

tim c on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

I’m beginning to think Obama is trotting out all the oldies like Carter, Brzezinski and Albright to convince us Death Panels would be a good thing.

Rocks on September 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM

They’ve convinced me it’s a good thing . . . at least for aged and senile Dims like those three losers.

AZCoyote on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Knock it off with the blank posts, katy.

Allahpundit on September 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM
Thank you! They are annoying. I was wondering if it was some silent protest or inside joke.

Monica on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Yes, for our friends. ALLAH! We want them back, please!

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Can you say mutiny?

In any case, I think Israel has already thought of this eventuality. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if it launches an attack from one of the Gulf states, possibly even Saudi Arabia (it would have to lift its medieval proscription on Jews on its soil).

Brzezinski just wants to relive the glory days of his youth, sitting on his daddy’s knee, stuffing his face with pierogis while watching the pogrom-of-the-week.

J.J. Sefton on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

OT – Drudge has a headline up now; “Obama open to newspaper bailout bill”

Paid off the unions with the auto bailout, not it’s time to start paying off the MSM

BuckNutty on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Since all of my comments are awaiting moderation…what’s the point.

uknowmorethanme on September 20, 2009 at 7:06 PM

I see. So Brzezinski would like the USA to help Iran carry out the second Holocaust?

pearson on September 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Yes, for our friends. ALLAH! We want them back, please!

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Who? What? God, I go out and do stuff and I miss everything!

Monica on September 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Knock it off with the blank posts, katy.

Allahpundit on September 20, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Sorry, Katy, that you got called out…..

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Yes, for our friends. ALLAH! We want them back, please!

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Who? What? God, I go out and do stuff and I miss everything!

Monica on September 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM

UPstater85 and Sven got banned.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM

;o)

katy on September 20, 2009 at 7:09 PM

“We’ll be watching the thread, as will our many valued regulars. Ignore Ed’s advice at your peril.”

Seven Percent Solution on September 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Members of the military have the right to refuse illegal or immoral orders and 90% would refuse such an order. In fact, thi could be the very last order Ogabe got to give. Also, a lot of American planes in the Middle East would suddenly have “malfunctions” or pilots woud be lining up for sick calls.

bill30097 on September 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Is there some joke going on, that I’m not aware of?

Emily M. on September 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM

“We’ll be watching the thread, as will our many valued regulars. Ignore Ed’s advice at your peril.”
Seven Percent Solution on September 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM

Bleh.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Not merely incompetent, but on the other side.

rbj on September 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Let’s just drop Jimmah in Iran and call it good.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:12 PM

Can you say mutiny?

In any case, I think Israel has already thought of this eventuality. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if it launches an attack from one of the Gulf states, possibly even Saudi Arabia (it would have to lift its medieval proscription on Jews on its soil).
J.J. Sefton on September 20, 2009 at 7:05 PM

I suspect since only 4% of Israelis have confidence in Obama’s support, this has already been wargamed in detail. It’s going to take decades to win back their trust, if we and they survive Iran’s nuclear capqbility..

a capella on September 20, 2009 at 7:13 PM

bill30097 on September 20, 2009 at 7:11 PM

Thanks, I needed that!

lovingmyUSA on September 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM

F*cktard.
Irritates me more now than it did yesterday.

Then again, considering the joy in which the Poles had in shoving little Jews into Ghettos and Gas chambers in Concentration camps, I’m not surprised at this man’s suggestions. not really.

mjk on September 20, 2009 at 7:14 PM

And what would happen if several USAF generals failed to obey orders from BO to stop the IAF?

Recall:
“I’m not going to start the third world war for you,” General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international KFOR peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen. Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo’s provincial capital. The Times of London reported on 23 May 2001.

diogenes on September 20, 2009 at 7:15 PM

how about we bomb this morons house instead

lavell12 on September 20, 2009 at 7:15 PM

Brzezinski: We are not exactly impotent little babies. They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?

When was Iraq’s air space ‘our air space’…

… Didn’t Obama declare the war over?

Seven Percent Solution on September 20, 2009 at 7:15 PM

This is the last straw – are these fools nuts? Israel, Poland, Columbia, Honduras, the Czech Republic, Japan, Great Britain – they are ALL are dear and trusted friends – and Team Obama now is suggesting through nit wit surrogates that is Israel has the stones to do to Iran what Marxist, Commie Obama will not – then we should BOMB or SHOOT down Israeli pilots. Are they nuts!!!!!!!!!!!

Cinday Blackburn on September 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Wow… Upstater85 and Sven got banned ? What’s going on here??

I protest too, but not silently – AP, i would appreciate if we all knew what exactly happened.. why were these people banned ?

nagee76 on September 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM

I’m against Obama’s policies, so Carter calls me racist. Carter and Brzezinski vocally take stances against Israel defending its own interests.

Q:What are they?

A:Making a case for being moved up in line for a Nobel Peace Prize. /s

ROCnPhilly on September 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM

UPstater85 and Sven got banned.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Oh no. I’m really sorry to hear that. It’s been a strange weekend here.

Thanks for letting me know.

Monica on September 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM

No doubt, this whole LGF thing has got this place feeling like a hot weekend in Jimmah’s shorts while building Hab for Humanity houses……

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Upstater got banned?! WTF!

Emily M. on September 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Upstater got banned?! WTF!

Emily M. on September 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Sven too. But, Grow Fins is still around…….

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM

It would be very nice to know why Upstater85 and Sven were banned so the rest of us don’t make their alleged same mistakes….

ladyingray on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM

طرق تشغيله مع وظيفة فارغة ، كاتي.

Aleph on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Exactly the sort of idiocy one would expect to come from the mouth of a member of the Carter administration.

crosspatch on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM

I wasn’t aware the left wishes to defend Iran’s nuclear capabilities from attacks.

jhffmn on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Sven too. But, Grow Fins is still around…….

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM

And AnninCA…and crr6….

ladyingray on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM

This isn’t a protest. It’s just annoying the shite out of other posters.

The problem is best resolved by the people involved. Considering how many trolls return and how quickly, I don’t see why any banned regulars can’t be similarly rehabilitated.

Blake on September 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Brzezinski: We are not exactly impotent little babies. They have to fly over our airspace in Iraq. Are we just going to sit there and watch?

Brzezinski, you are an impotent old man.. and your Obama has made your country look even more impotent by surrendering to the Soviets on the 70th anniversary of their invasion of… Poland… yeah that country you were born in, remember ?

A disgrace to all of Poland.

nagee76 on September 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM

It would be very nice to know why Upstater85 and Sven were banned so the rest of us don’t make their alleged same mistakes….

ladyingray on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Agreed

Monica on September 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM

طرق تشغيله مع وظيفة فارغة ، كاتي.

Aleph on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Does that mean that we can give BOTH Jimmah and Jimmah 2.0 to Iran, or just one?

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:21 PM

Upstater got banned?! WTF!

Emily M. on September 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM

Watch your language young lady///……….and
more sarc///

Knucklehead on September 20, 2009 at 7:21 PM

UPstater85 and Sven got banned.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM

DUDE. Bring UPstater85 back!

LEBA on September 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM

This guy is literally insane. I suppose that our USAF bombers could also practice bomb runs on Honduran government buildings before proceeding to drop napalm and incendiary bombs on all of the Jews in Israel. Barak Obama won, you know, and his middlename means he is probably a Shite, while Brezinski’s name means that he is probably a planner of Final Solutions.

jimw on September 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM

I suspect since only 4% of Israelis have confidence in Obama’s support,

The error margin in that poll made me laugh out loud. 4% trust our president, but the poll had a margin for error of 4.5%

oldleprechaun on September 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM

UPstater85 and Sven got banned.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM

DUDE. Bring UPstater85 back!

LEBA on September 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM

Bring BOTH back! We miss them….we are being ignored.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM

“It’s going to take decades to win back their trust, if we and they survive Iran’s nuclear capqbility..”

I don’t (want to) believe that right now. I think the majority of Israelis realize that this country has made a terrible mistake. Once this clown is no longer in power, and we put another strong on defense Repub back in the WH, they’ll trust us again. As long as we don’t make the same mistake twice and elect another lib/dim/socialist POTUS again based on his American Idol like popularity.

rayvet on September 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM

The hits just keep coming; hadn’t seen that Breitbart has Jimmah saying the US was involved in the failed 2002 coup against Chavez . . . and praising Chavez’s wonderful reforms for the people of Venezuela. argh !

I missed Friday night’s thread, but Upstater was one of my favorite commenters. Miss them both, they were solid contributors to the dialogue here.

Firefly_76 on September 20, 2009 at 7:23 PM

Is it safe to assume at this point that Brzezinski is completely out of his frigging mind?

pilamaye on September 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM

This isn’t a protest. It’s just annoying the shite out of other posters.

The problem is best resolved by the people involved. Considering how many trolls return and how quickly, I don’t see why any banned regulars can’t be similarly rehabilitated.

Blake on September 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Watch your shite…we’re trying to help out, sugar buttons.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Traitor.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM

I agree that we need a warning system…at least one chance. Otherwise we all walk around on eggshells..blech!

LEBA on September 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Blake on September 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Watch your shite…we’re trying to help out, sugar buttons.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Yeah!

katy on September 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Blake on September 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM

Looks like the thread has been successfully hijacked doesn’t it?

a capella on September 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM

I suspect Allah’s upset about something this weekend…

I_C on September 20, 2009 at 7:26 PM

The fact that Ziggy is spewing this hate makes perfect sense to me. After all his Boss (the worst president ever – don’t even argue Bush haters) has made no secret of his hatred of Israel in his books and his actions during his lifetime – especially after he was kicked out of office.

I will pray for you every night Israel, you will need it with these idiots in charge.

Agent of the Cross on September 20, 2009 at 7:26 PM

Blake on September 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Looks like the thread has been successfully hijacked doesn’t it?

a capella on September 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Whatev….
Hornet will be unavailable for a long time…I don’t like the climate right now.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Sven too. But, Grow Fins is still around…….

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:18 PM
And AnninCA…and crr6….

ladyingray on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM

Really?

I think the bottom line is that CJ sent his fish here in the middle of the dog-gone night to denigrate this blog. Today, he was threatening MM herself. Bawls.

Bring them back… Especially Upstater and even AnninCA.

Key West Reader on September 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Looks like the thread has been successfully hijacked doesn’t it?

a capella on September 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM

We’d do the same for you…maybe.

katy on September 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM

Hornet will be unavailable for a long time…I don’t like the climate right now.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM

NO!

Key West Reader on September 20, 2009 at 7:28 PM

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Agreed.

katy on September 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM

Watch your shite…we’re trying to help out, sugar buttons.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Pissing off AP even more is not trying to help, pop tart.

Looks like the thread has been successfully hijacked doesn’t it?

a capella on September 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Yep.

Blake on September 20, 2009 at 7:29 PM

It makes sense when you remember that Carter allowed the regime in Iran to take root and then embarrass him with the U.S. embassy take over. Goes to show liberals are like drug addicts. They never learn. You can never trust an addict.

sheriff246 on September 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Israel, (and I mean the state–not the Jews here in the USA)–knows it has always had to go it alone. Obama is like FDR–ignoring the plight of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. I am sure they have a plan–they will NEVER, EVER be caught without a plan…Sadly, theirs is a higher purpose than our current government–the survival of their country….

lovingmyUSA on September 20, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Were that to happen right now, I’d be rooting for the Israelis.

Such a sentiment may well border on treasonous…but better a traitor to America than to oppose the Lord’s Chosen People. They, as a nation, have His protection as written in the Holy Word. We don’t. And I doubt our disgustingly sinful nation has a positive balance in the bank of heavenly favor anymore…the ‘city on a hill’ of our Puritan forefathers is long gone.

Dark-Star on September 20, 2009 at 7:31 PM

Whatev….
Hornet will be unavailable for a long time…I don’t like the climate right now.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Oh, grow up. If sven and upstate wish to come back they can talk directly to AP about what is necessary to be reinstated. You and others are not making things better and are probably impeding a possible quick return.

Blake on September 20, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I think the bottom line is that CJ sent his fish here in the middle of the dog-gone night to denigrate this blog. Today, he was threatening MM herself. Bawls.

What the H*LL happened???

mjk on September 20, 2009 at 7:32 PM

I’m almost speechless. Almost.

Good heavens these people are just nuts. So let’s attack our allies from forever to protect IRAN???

I’m sure that if Obama took this advice, he’d gain points back not only from the citizens of Iran who he ignored as they were being slaughtered in the streets but also from the people who said he’s anti-Israel.

Yes…that’s sarcasm.

powerpro on September 20, 2009 at 7:32 PM

It would be very nice to know why Upstater85 and Sven were banned so the rest of us don’t make their alleged same mistakes….

ladyingray on September 20, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Agreed
Monica on September 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM

It’s your rulz, AP, and if they crossed the line then they crossed the line…but let the rest of us know HOW they crossed the line so we dont eff up too…

ladyingray on September 20, 2009 at 7:32 PM

So why is it that American Jews typically support Democrats? I’m confused.

stackedeck on September 20, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Brzezinski: We are not exactly impotent little babies.

Not yet, but Obama is working `round the clock to make that dream come true.

ThePrez on September 20, 2009 at 7:35 PM

Hornet will be unavailable for a long time…I don’t like the climate right now.

HornetSting on September 20, 2009 at 7:27 PM

I, for one, will miss you in your absence.

massrighty on September 20, 2009 at 7:36 PM

Damn Strike button!

massrighty on September 20, 2009 at 7:36 PM

yeah his daughter Mika helped along the race card playing against Big Dawg on Morning Joe all thru the primaries too
frakkers

ginaswo on September 20, 2009 at 7:36 PM

jeez..upstater and sven are banned we are talking about shooting down Israelis….has the world gone mad?

Terrye on September 20, 2009 at 7:37 PM

I hope it never comes to that. Brzezinski is an idiot. What kind of realist would choose to shoot down the jet of an ally to help an enemy?

nyx on September 20, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Round about the cauldron go
In the poisoned entrails throw
Fillet of Charles Johnson snake
In the cauldron boil and bake
Eye of Trout and toe of Kilgore frog
Wool of ding bat and tongue of Carter dog
Adder’s fork and LGF sting
Lizard’s leg and insane asylum wing
Root of Brzezinski hemlock digged in the dark
Upstater and Sven
Now return again!

Cheshire Cat on September 20, 2009 at 7:37 PM

I don’t get why LGF should be the one deciding what goes on at Hot Air. I love this blog and I love your posts. If I would want to read LGF, I’d go over there.

It’s easy for a blog that bans anybody who disagrees with him to go and sneakily attack a blog that doesn’t. But maybe that’s the point – somebody had to ‘hack’ the comments in order to start posting racist stuff.

I don’t know why you still link to him.

Phoenician on September 20, 2009 at 7:37 PM

stackedeck on September 20, 2009 at 7:34 PM

They’re stupid.

Phoenician on September 20, 2009 at 7:38 PM

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