A Tale Of Two Leaders

posted at 12:00 pm on September 20, 2009 by Mitch Berg

Earlier this week, on the seventieth anniversary of the Soviet Union’s invasion of Poland at the beginning of World War II, President Obama announced that the United States is reneging on a promise to build a missile defense shield against future, likely Iranian nuclear missiles. This program was started under Bush, enacted in Poland and the Czech Republican at the cost of immense political capital to the Polish and Czech governments.

The date, of course, was Vladimir Putin’s way of telling the recalcitrant, west-leaning, NATO-joining Poles that he’s watching them.

But the reverse on the missile program?  That was all Obama.   The President seems to think, as Jimmy Carter did, that if he just gives a few more concessions to Putin, to the Mullahs, to the world’s thugs and gangsters, that eventually even they’ll start believing in all the Hope and Change.

Of course, as we saw earlier this summer, earnest promises of Hope and Change didn’t stop the mullahs from gunning down protesters in the streets of Teheran.

What a contrast with thirty years ago, as Jeffrey Lord noted earlier this summer in American Spectator:

One need look no further than President Obama’s cautiously timid response to the demands of freedom from Iranians. Contrast this with Reagan’s response to similar demands from Poles in the 1980s and the miserable inadequacy of the Obama foreign policy is thrust into a stark and shameful relief.

Finding historical parallels is a slippery slope that leads to madness.  But sometimes they’re illustrative:

When Reagan took office in January of 1981, Poland had been a Soviet satellite for almost four decades. The American foreign policy establishment had long since settled into an acceptance of moral equivalency between the United States and the Communists. The policy was acted out in a thousand different ways ranging from so-called “détente” (a relaxing of tensions) to a vast, arcane arms control process which over time had substituted the process itself instead of the unconditional victory of freedom as America’s chief foreign policy goal.

Sound familiar?

As opposed to the example from the last time we had a thug-ocracy beating freedom-loving demonstrators in the streets, I mean?…:

Reagan had campaigned on a completely different idea, a very old principle when dealing with an adversary. He phrased it this way to his first national security advisor, Richard Allen: “We win, they lose.” It was this goal that Reagan sought, and thus caused him to speak bluntly about America’s adversary in the Cold War. An “Evil Empire” is how he early-on famously described the Soviet Union, completely horrifying the Obama-like striped-pants set in the State Department and Establishment foreign policy circles…

Joe Biden said during the campaign that Obama would face a foreign policy “test”.  Well, Ronald Reagan certainly did:

One of the very first items that arose on Reagan’s watch was the rising demand for freedom from the Polish people. On January 21, his first full day in the Oval Office, word reached the White House that a young shipyard worker and union leader named Lech Walesa had informed the Communist government of Poland he had called a series of strikes in four Polish cities, beginning the next day. Within 24 hours hundreds of thousands of Poles in ten cities — not four — were publicly defying the Polish Communist dictator, General Wojciech Jaruzelski.

A fight for freedom was on — and Ronald Reagan had zero intention of standing on the sidelines…Liberals all over Washington paled. This, they insisted, was no way to conduct diplomacy. One just does not say these things in public. But Reagan had only just begun.

And we all know how that ended – in this case, with a free Poland; a nation that reveres the Reagan legacy; a place that is probably the best place in Europe to be an American; a place that has repaid Reagan’s efforts many-fold, by becoming not just a leading voice for freedom, but a leading supplier of muscle to defend it; Polish troops were among the largest allied contingents in Iraq.

Iran today and Poland in 1980 aren’t perfect analogues – but the similarities are strong enough to help us gauge the character of our nation’s leadership.

Which is bad news for Obama:

As Walesa and his fellow Poles demanded the most basic of human liberties, Moscow responded by sending troops on maneuvers along the Polish border, then installing a military government with instructions to stop Walesa in his tracks.

Distinctly unlike Obama’s reaction to the demonstrators filling the streets of Iran, Reagan looked at similar crowds in Poland and said the sight was “thrilling.” Said Reagan: “I wanted to be sure we did nothing to impede this process and everything we could to spur it along.”

And so he did. In a stiff note to Soviet boss Leonid Brezhnev, Reagan said that if the Russians kept up their thuggish response to Poland they “could forget any new nuclear arms agreement.” Gone too would be better trade relations, and in their place would be the “harshest possible economic sanctions” if they even thought of invading Poland as they had done with Czechoslovakia in 1968 or Hungary in 1956.

Of couse, Reagan did much more; he formed an unlikely alliance (according to Dinesh D’Souza) with Margaret Thatcher, Pope John Paul II, and AFL-CIO president Layne Kirkland to send financial as well as moral aid to Solidarity.

Hope and change didn’t come for free in 1980, either; as tensions ratcheted up, Reagan took the occasion of the normally-pacific Christmas speech to stump for the Poles…:

… “We can’t let this revolution against Communism fail without offering a hand,” he wrote that day in his diary. “We may never have an opportunity like this in our lifetime.”

Christmas or not, Reagan proceeded to write Brezhnev about the “recent events in Poland.” Warned the President: “Attempts to suppress the Polish people-either by the Polish army or police acting under Soviet pressure, or through even more direct use of the Soviet military force — certainly will not bring about long term stability in Poland and could unleash a process neither you nor we could fully control.” Reagan said the Soviets were encouraging “political terror, mass arrests and bloodshed” and they must either halt this behavior or “we will travel a different path.”

On Christmas morning, Reagan had a heated, angry reply from Brezhnev. Furious, he accused the President of “defaming our social and state system, our internal order.” It was a charge, Reagan said, “to which I pleaded guilty.”

Words were followed by actions – sanctions against Poland and the USSR – and then by years of committed agitation to bring down, not Poland, but the USSR itself.  These efforts paid off almost twenty years ago, as first the Poles, and then the rest Eastern Europe, and finally the Russians themselves cast off the Communists.  History’s bloodthirstiest regime fell without a shot in less than ten years, because of a show of backbone and resolve.

And some people know it:

Lech Walesa went on to win the Nobel Peace Prize and later become the freely elected President of a democratic Poland. In 2007, Walesa’s successor as President of Poland traveled to the Reagan Library to present Nancy Reagan, who accepted on behalf of her late husband, The Order of the White Eagle, the oldest and highest honor within the gift of the Polish people. Today one can visit Ronald Reagan Square in Krakow, a Reagan statue is planned for Warsaw and Reagan streets and parks dot the country. He is considered, in the words of the Polish president, the “architect of democracy.”

Compare and contrast:

This is a lesson that one realizes the Obama White House simply doesn’t have the courage to embrace. As over a million Iranians fill[ed] the streets of Tehran, the message from this President of the United States is that he is afraid to be seen as “meddling” — precisely the charge Reagan faced down from Brezhnev. Instead Obama backs away from standing up for freedom, saying (as if Iran were a free country): “It is up to Iranians to make decisions about who Iran’s leaders will be. We respect Iranian sovereignty and want to avoid the United States being the issue inside of Iran.” He does say he is “deeply troubled.”

As those Iranians who seek freedom are literally shot dead in the streets, Obama observes cautiously that “the democratic process, free speech, the ability of people to peacefully dissent — all those are universal values and need to be respected.” Instead of dealing with the mullahs of Iran in the fashion Reagan dealt with Brezhnev and the Polish Communist puppets, Obama refers deferentially to Ayatollah ali Khamenei, as the “Supreme Leader.”

And so inside a generation, American leadership has gone from embracing and pressing for freedom, to equivocating and waffling – and, worse, betraying it, allowing Vladimir Putin not only to use the symbol of Poland’s subjugation before the Soviets to deliver his message, but carrying Putin’s water for him.  Obama’s selling-out of Poland in the face of Putin’s pressure was the sort of thing that might make pragmatic sense to those diplomats more allied to “process” than to the goal of liberty…

…and it’s the sort of thing that wouldn’t have gotten on Ronald Reagan’s short list.

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seems as if his little brain controlled alot more than that.

ndanielson on September 20, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Yeah, and he didn’t do a very good job of that either.

yoda on September 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Thank you Mr. Berg for filling in some of the historical details. I was a college Reagan conservative in the 1980s, and it was thrilling to be in step with history.

Mitt Romney is right – the Democrats are actually going to be nostalgic for Carter in 4 years.

johnboy on September 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Mitt Romney is right – the Democrats are actually going to be nostalgic for Carter in 4 years.

johnboy on September 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM

they’re already trying to resurrect him.

ndanielson on September 20, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Reagan was a mediocre actor that became a GREAT President.

VegasRick on September 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Reagan was a great leader, but he was better than just mediocre as an actor. He gives an outstanding performance in King’s Row; he wasn’t able to capitalize on that success because of his service during the war.

SagebrushPuppet on September 20, 2009 at 2:51 PM

“Reagan was senile, Clinton was brilliant”, yada yada yada

Pathetic.

Janos Hunyadi on September 20, 2009 at 1:58 PM

Without Doubt.

My life-long Democrat mother, 89 years old, loves Billy Jeff as well. She gets ALL of her “news” from newspapers, MSM, and PBS. Her adoration of WJC is disgusting and unshakable. Did I mention she is 89 years old?

Remind you of anyone?

ExpressoBold on September 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Putin calling Obama “brave” really sets the stage.

maverick muse on September 20, 2009 at 3:13 PM

Jeff from WI on September 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Poland and Israel, alliance?

maverick muse on September 20, 2009 at 3:16 PM

Bill Clinton(and his co-president, Hillary) got the Newt Gingrich congress elected. That was pretty good!

Really Right on September 20, 2009 at 2:15 PM

I will give him that.

But he can’t take credit for the economy. According to the Fed, the “Clinton Economy” began in March of 1991, 18 months before the media got him elected.

He did sign welfare reform-but only after vetoing it twice, and then being dragged kicking and screaming to the table to sign it.

He also left his successor the deadliest attacks on civilians in America’s history. According to bin Laden himself, those attacks were in fact supposed to happen on his watch.

Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Maybe no president in the future will ever escape the pounding that Bush got and Obama is getting. Maybe that’s the way things will go for a while. Do think that Obama failed to capitalize on what could have been a quite successful Presidency though. I think even much of the right would have cut him slack if he had actually tacked to the middle as he promised in his eventually proven less than honest campaign. As it stands now, I suspect that many feel as I do–that his statements during the campaign and now are simply not honest and he is not a man to be trusted. It seems that all he wanted, ever wanted, was to get into office and impose his own will and ideology…no matter who or what got damaged along the way.

jeanie on September 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

My life-long Democrat mother, 89 years old, loves Billy Jeff as well. She gets ALL of her “news” from newspapers, MSM, and PBS. Her adoration of WJC is disgusting and unshakable. Did I mention she is 89 years old?

Remind you of anyone?

ExpressoBold on September 20, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Helen Thomas?

Eleanor Rodham Clift?

Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2009 at 3:27 PM

The title of this article is 100% wrong. As an homage to Reagan’s direct manner of speaking, you should have named it “A Leader and a Coward”.

commenter on September 20, 2009 at 3:32 PM

Liberals and homonyms

A talking head on one of the networks (likely MSNBC) said that there was ZERO chance of Iran attacking Poland.

Apparently the liberals have been so starstruck by a black male, they forgot about blackmail. 

IlikedAUH2O on September 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I found him vacuous from day 1. He never said a dang thing in his entire presidency that didn’t convince me that he was a complete idiot.

AnninCA on September 20, 2009 at 1:39 PM

Reagan:

Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!

Clinton:

It all depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.

Reagan never provided diversion from his words and acts on either domestic or foreign policy, whilst Clinton’s hitting on the hired help provided plenty of diversion.

unclesmrgol on September 20, 2009 at 3:43 PM

The major differences between Ronald Reagan and Obama?

Reagan had the back bone to use the military and the CIA to go after America’s enemies.

Obama has the back bone to use the Attorney General and the MSM to go after the military and the CIA for America’s enemies.

NeoKong on September 20, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Nice comment. I just added a bit to it.

shick on September 20, 2009 at 3:46 PM

I only recognize one leader in this essay – Ronald Reagan. Not sure what Obama is, but leader sure ain’t it.

Bill_M on September 20, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I’ll bet what AnninCA admires most about BillyBoy is what’s in his pants!

Oh myyyyyyyy…

Ogabe on September 20, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I never have really informed opinions on military issues, but I do note that the Pentagon supports this choice.

I figure they aren’t stupid.

AnninCA on September 20, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I’m a nut on free speech, open-mindedness, wait for the facts, jack, type.

AnninCA on September 20, 2009 at 1:19 PM

So where are the facts that indicate that “The Pentagon” supports this choice?

Was an anonymous survey of Pentagon employees’ opinions conducted?

More likely, the white house liaison to the Pentagon informed the white house press that a selection of brass are supportive. Not that the press would bother to ask, but never mind who or why.

lacerta on September 20, 2009 at 3:57 PM

..Oh, what I most liked about Clinton matches my own political perspective. Socially liberal…

AnninCA on September 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM

And I’m sure you’d like your own husband to be just as, how did you phrase it, oh yeah, socially liberal?

shick on September 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM

will give him that.

But he can’t take credit for the economy. According to the Fed, the “Clinton Economy” began in March of 1991, 18 months before the media Ross Perot got him elected.

He did sign welfare reform-but only after vetoing it twice, and then being dragged kicking and screaming to the table to sign it.

He also left his successor the deadliest attacks on civilians in America’s history. According to bin Laden himself, those attacks were in fact supposed to happen on his watch.

Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Had to fix that for ya..

tatersalad on September 20, 2009 at 4:03 PM

As CiC both took the same oath to Protect & Defend. One took the oath seriously the other not so much.

fourdeucer on September 20, 2009 at 4:04 PM

Chicago cub,meet Russian bear.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Today’s example of the word: Projection.

I found him vacuous from day 1. He never said a dang thing in his entire presidency that didn’t convince me that he was a complete idiot.

It is difficult convincing idiots of anything.

I’ve never been able to take Republicans seriously, because they worship him.

It is difficult convincing self-worshipping narcissits that Reagan is greatly respected and not worshipped.

I conclude. I’m Independent.

It is difficult convincing narrow-minded fools what independent really means.

Anyone who makes this actor into a leader is simply beyond my own comprehension. Ditto for Obamafans.

Both sides leave me absolutely cold

AnninCA on September 20, 2009 at 1:39 PM

It is difficult explaining leadership to fools.

shick on September 20, 2009 at 4:17 PM

Had to fix that for ya..

tatersalad on September 20, 2009 at 4:03

I know Perot didn’t help matters, but the fact remains that the media refused to report on the economic recovery when it started. The NY Times admitted it in a 1999 editorial.

Remember, Clinton beat Pappy Bush on the “it’s the economy, stupid” BS.

Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2009 at 4:20 PM

shick on September 20, 2009 at 4:17

Dude, it’s like punching marshmallows dealing with her. About 8 personalities ranging from Suzy Sunshine to Joan Crawford.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2009 at 4:22 PM

Dude, it’s like punching marshmallows dealing with her. About 8 personalities ranging from Suzy Sunshine to Joan Crawford.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2009 at 4:22 PM

The phrase I like is “like nailing Jello to the wall.”

shick on September 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM

Gniewam się, że Obama opuścił mój praojowski kraj.

(I’m angry that Obama has abandoned my ancestral country.)

Bigfoot on September 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Both sides leave me absolutely cold

AnninCA on September 20, 2009 at 1:39 PM

You lie on this one, but you pretend well.

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2009 at 4:37 PM

I am truly sad when I think back to the Reagan days. The love of freedom and country by all Americans. Those in dissent were loud but few in numbers. He gave us back our pride in being American and free. He gave hope to the world that they could be too and we were there to help them. Not so much anymore, that’s why I cry when I think of Reagan.

IowaWoman on September 20, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Gniewam się, że Obama opuścił mój praojowski kraj.

(I’m angry that Obama has abandoned my ancestral country.)

Bigfoot on September 20, 2009 at 4:35 PM

There are Americans many that deeply regret the stupidity of our treasonous leader.

Jeff from WI on September 20, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Remember the Reagan TV commercial… “It’s morning in America…

How I wish I was transported in time back then.

Jeff from WI on September 20, 2009 at 4:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4

Wolfen on September 20, 2009 at 4:46 PM

Schadenfreude on September 20, 2009 at 4:37 PM

No, she takes full advantage of every woman’s prerogative of changing her mind. Often.

Cindy Munford on September 20, 2009 at 4:47 PM

I’ve met Russians, and I liked them, and I’m sure they’re just as decent a people as anyone else (though raping hundreds of thousands of German women and girls makes me wonder).

But, as General Patton apparently said all the Russians understand is strength.

Libtards don’t want to believe that the only thing many other cultures respect is the power of the sword and the willingness to use it and the skill of the warrior wielding it.

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 20, 2009 at 4:58 PM

Dude, it’s like punching marshmallows dealing with her. About 8 personalities ranging from Suzy Sunshine to Joan Crawford.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2009 at 4:22 PM

So true, so true.

The phrase I like is “like nailing Jello to the wall.”

shick on September 20, 2009 at 4:33 PM

An apt comparison seeing as she has about as much substance and depth as jello.

Jvette on September 20, 2009 at 5:05 PM

Had to fix that for ya..

tatersalad on September 20, 2009 at 4:03

I know Perot didn’t help matters, but the fact remains that the media refused to report on the economic recovery when it started. The NY Times admitted it in a 1999 editorial.

Remember, Clinton beat Pappy Bush on the “it’s the economy, stupid” BS.
Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2009 at 4:20 PM

Sorry, but Perot got 19% of the vote, mostly from voters that would have voted for Bush. If it were a 2 man race, Bush would have won, hands down.

tatersalad on September 20, 2009 at 5:09 PM

AS for the topic at hand, which she who should not be addressed hijacked….

It is my prayer that when we need these allies they will not remember Obama’s perfidy but rather Reagan’s and America’s support for their fight to be free. That is what we all want and what all will choose given the chance.

Obama’s reign is temporary, the struggle is eternal.

Jvette on September 20, 2009 at 5:13 PM

To honour our Polish allies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nmFHUbVQtA

Onward Forward and Upward!!

RoxanneH on September 20, 2009 at 5:18 PM

I remember hearing the great Jeane Kirkpatrick speak in 1982 or 1983. She said the first thing she did as U.N. ambassador was take the “Kick Me” sign off. She was the architect of a lot of the change in approach toward the Soviet bloc. It’s hard to imagine anyone in this Administration with the kind of intellectual firepower or backbone that Mrs. Kirkpatrick had.

rockmom on September 20, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Jeane Kirkpatrick was a national treasure, and you nailed it with this comment! I remember her, and I remember those times…
++100

lovingmyUSA on September 20, 2009 at 5:39 PM

I am truly sickened by the Ass in Chief, I am third generation Polish, my one gradnfather died in the fighting with the Nazi’s, other relatives were in the fight in Poland. My father served in the US Army in the South Pacific. The sacrifices of the Polish people for their freedom, enabled by Reagan’s support meant so much to the people that you just can’t understand.

The reversal by the Jerk in Chief has left them wondering what happened to America, just as I wonder what has happened to the land I grew up in.

This metrosexual president has to go. He is costing us our liberty and freedoms. Like the freedom fighters in Poland I will do all I can to regain my country’s freedom.

By the way Ann, you are the most disgusting twit I have ever read on this site. Get off!!!

hip shot on September 20, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Siege of Vienna , 1683, modern day Christendom is in peril as the Turks surround the city. The Muslim invaders must take Vienna as it’s the gateway into central Europe.
The Turks are almost through the defenses, tunneling under the walls, the defending army in Vienna is almost all used up.
The defenders have one hope, their allies the Poles are coming to save them. Jan III Sobieski, King of Poland leads and army made up of armies of Poles and Germans and defeats the Turks, thus saving Christendom from being over run with the Muslim marauders.

Jeff from WI on September 20, 2009 at 6:11 PM

I am truly sad when I think back to the Reagan days. The love of freedom and country by all Americans. Those in dissent were loud but few in numbers. He gave us back our pride in being American and free. He gave hope to the world that they could be too and we were there to help them. Not so much anymore, that’s why I cry when I think of Reagan.

IowaWoman on September 20, 2009 at 4:40 PM

There will only be one Ronald Reagan. He will stay in our hearts for ever.

OneConservative on September 20, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Beautiful. There must come a time when we reweld out ties to the Poles. They must never believe we are the backstabbing cowards that Obama is.

GunRunner on September 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM

Reagan was a mediocre actor that became a GREAT President.

VegasRick on September 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM

Clinton was a great actor who became a mediocre President.

Lanceman on September 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM

The difference between Reagan and Clinton:
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Reagan could not remove his coat while in the Oval Office out of respect for the office.
Clinton couldn’t keep his pants on.
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The difference between Reagan and Obama?
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Reagan gave great speeches.
Obama reads great speeches.
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Reagan believed in freedom.
Obama does not believe in freedom.
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Reagan was a leader.
Obama is a community organizer.
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Reagan was a man.
Obama is a wimp.
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Reagan had the courage to do what is right.
Obama doesn’t know what is right.
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Reagan knew that he was the President.
Obama thinks he is dictator.
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Reagan liberated millions and defeated our enemies without firing a shot.
Obama seeks to enslave this nation by shooting off his mouth.

The Rock on September 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Jeff from WI on September 20, 2009 at 6:11 PM

+++

lovingmyUSA on September 20, 2009 at 7:50 PM

The Rock on September 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM

Reagan /Bush owned a ranch, cleared brush, hauled logs…
Obama painted a wall…

lovingmyUSA on September 20, 2009 at 7:52 PM

This metrosexual president has to go. He is costing us our liberty and freedoms. Like the freedom fighters in Poland I will do all I can to regain my country’s freedom.

By the way Ann, you are the most disgusting twit I have ever read on this site. Get off!!!

hip shot on September 20, 2009 at 5:41 PM

double heh.

Clinton was a great actor who became a mediocre President.

Lanceman on September 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM

And again!

2ipa on September 20, 2009 at 8:19 PM

Chicago cub,meet Russian bear.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM

That almost made tea come out my nose.

Mangy Scot on September 20, 2009 at 9:08 PM

As a newly-minted adult during the Carterastrous years…I often struggled to think it possible that America could rise above his damage and destruction. But we did. Now, as a newly-minted geezer, I’m back to struggling with concern for my beloved America – and the World.

If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. -Ronald Reagan

redwhiteblue on September 20, 2009 at 9:14 PM

Gee, Ann, still looking for a Clinton program that was a success? Take your time, we’ll wait.

Jvette on September 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM

I have a new theory about Obama and foreign policy: he will pander to, help if he can, make excuses for – any government, regime, political group of any kind that is against everything America used to stand for. If they are evil, communists, socialists, deniers of freedom and human rights then Obama is for them and will seek to aid and abet their agenda. He is a traitor to everything America was.

johnnybgood on September 20, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Gee, Ann, still looking for a Clinton program that was a success? Take your time, we’ll wait.

Jvette on September 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM

To be Fair and Balanced (TM) Clinton did start an admirable program called Troops to Teachers, which recruited military retirees to become inner city teachers.

However, when noted car-murderer Laura Bush decided to continue this program and make it one of her priotities as First Lady, the Left forgot about it.

Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Thanks Del, hadn’t heard of that one. And what is the reference to Laura Bush as noted car-murderer? I’m afraid that one went over my head.

Jvette on September 20, 2009 at 11:09 PM

However, when noted car-murderer Laura Bush decided to continue this program and make it one of her priotities as First Lady, the Left forgot about it.

Del Dolemonte on September 20, 2009 at 10:42 PM

If only she had spoken about the values of Troops to Teachers wearing sleeveless tops from J.Crew to let the Left know that she was a worthy and dynamic First Lady…

redwhiteblue on September 20, 2009 at 11:16 PM

Gee, thanks Del, I didn’t know about that program. Well, so he wasn’t a total loser as a president.

As for the rest, I googled the reference as I had never heard the story. Really? Grow up.

Jvette on September 20, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Now we know what the clown-in-chief was thinking when he yanked those missiles:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/20/barack-obama-us-nuclear-weapons

Can he? Constitutionally?

dhimwit on September 21, 2009 at 7:19 AM

Chicago cub bull,meet Russian bear.

katy the mean old lady on September 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM

Works better for me!

chickasaw42 on September 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM

Even remotely comparing Iran and Poland shows what an idiot you are.

The Iranians are explicitly mad at the US – ie for funding Iraq in their long destructive war. Were any of the Polish people mad at the US? Uhh – no.

The Iranians *do not* want the US’ intervention.

A Axe on September 21, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Mr. Axe,

Even remotely comparing Iran and Poland shows what an idiot you are.

Hm. Hard to argue with the old “you’re an idiot” gambit. Were you a college debater?

The Iranians are explicitly mad at the US – ie for funding Iraq in their long destructive war.

Really?

Do you have any research showing popular, as opposed to government, anger at the US over this? Because I strongly suspect you’re making this up.

Were any of the Polish people mad at the US? Uhh – no.

Right. But you’re comparing apples and fish; the Polish *government* regularly joined the USSR in condeming our actions, especially as re: Poland. Just like the mullahs do today.

On the other hand, Michael Ledeen has written for years about the sentiments of the vast majority of the Iranian people. They are not dissimilar from Poles in many respects – especially if we managed to somehow do the right thing.

The Iranians *do not* want the US’ intervention.

That’s a bit of a non-sequitur. There’s no talk of openly “intervening” in Iran, any more than there was in Poland. Moral support for the people (and financial support for trade unions) could do a lot of good.

Mitch_Berg on September 21, 2009 at 12:04 PM

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