Obama’s solution on illegals and health care? Amnesty; Update: Video added
posted at 9:29 am on September 18, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Washington Times reports that Barack Obama has finally concluded that Joe Wilson was right, and that ObamaCare presents a big problem in handling illegal immigrants. Fortunately, the White House has found a solution to the problem. No, they’re not going to beef up enforcement or require identification before receiving subsidies and services. They’re just going to offer amnesty so that no one’s illegal anymore:
President Obama said this week that his health care plan won’t cover illegal immigrants, but argued that’s all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.
He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered – a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.
“Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don’t simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken,” Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. “That’s why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.
Mr. Obama added, “If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all.”
Republicans said that amounts to an amnesty, calling it a backdoor effort to make sure current illegal immigrants get health care.
In other words, not only should everyone pay for Americans to get health care, we should pay for health care for those who came here illegally. That’s going to be a winning argument in 2010, especially in Blue Dog districts! We’re going to bust the budget and infringe on your personal choices, and we’re going to make you pay for insurance for illegal immigrants!
If a Republican had run an ad making those charges in 2008, the media would have called it a “smear”. If comedians used it in their act, it would have been a joke about GOP paranoia. The joke, unfortunately, is on those who voted for the Blue Dogs because of their supposed conservatism, and on those who voted for Obama because of his supposed centrism.
Update: Here’s the video:
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We DO NOT have rationing by insurance companies. An insurance company may refuse to pay for your care (though given the WSJ article I’ve quoted (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574409501904118682.html) shows this isn’t as bad as liberals would have us believe)
but they cannot deny you care. In America if you’ve been wrongfully denied coverage by an insurance company you can sue and you will win. In America you can also raise the money/go into debt yourself to pay for expensive procedures if insurance won’t cover it (or your suit is pending). In Canada and England the state tells you that you will not get a procedure or and that’s it – you won’t get it and can’t pay for it yourself, or the state tells you that you can have the treatment but must wait many many months for it. The wait time for essential diagnostic procedures and life-saving care in these countries is atrocious.
gwelf on September 18, 2009 at 10:52 AM
Barack Insane Obama.
“I am ruining my presidency”
Key West Reader on September 18, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Granting amnesty without taking steps to secure the borders and ensure that future illegals do not have access to government services serves as a incentive to illegal immigration. In other words, it perpetuates the problem and sinks state and the federal government deeper and deeper.
ProfessorMiao on September 18, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Frankly, I think some of you folks need to start getting realistic. Amnesty is the only feasible way to deal with illegal immigrants. What’s the alternative? Mass deportation?
Enrique on September 18, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Operation WETBACK worked!
Col.John Wm. Reed on September 18, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Then you don’t believe in the rule of law? We are a nation of laws they broke it and they have to pay the price!
xler8bmw on September 18, 2009 at 10:54 AM
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (42 U.S.C. § 1395dd, EMTALA) is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions.
patrick neid on September 18, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Just a couple of reposts in case you missed them earlier. I’m wondering if you have an answer.
BadgerHawk on September 18, 2009 at 10:55 AM
As Joe biden said ” We’re not doing anything illegal, we’re just getting creative”.
bluegrass on September 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM
HAHA I hate it when I do that.
At the end of the day people will look back at Obama and remember. That guy really wanted people to have health care bless his heart.
ThackerAgency on September 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Maybe that’s the idea – destroy the economy and illegal immigrants (and everybody else) will want to get out and go somewhere else.
Problem solved!!!
Chainsaw56 on September 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM
And they are the reason that cancer survival rates are worse – in some cases much worse – than in the US.
ProfessorMiao on September 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM
So give em’ a traffic ticket fine. LOL*
AnninCA on September 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Also any immigration reform needs handle the people we absolutely want here a heck of a lot better.
I was a TA with a girl from China a year or so ago. She was incredibly bright, and was about ready for her PHD. She was doing some really cool research, I looked over her work it was cool stuff.
Anyway, she wasn’t able to get her visa renewed. Now she is in China.
What’s up with that? I hear this sort of stuff goes on all the time. We are sending back the best and brightest? These people don’t cost us jobs. They are net producers. Just having people with advanced skill sets makes our country richer. We can never have enough of these people.
jhffmn on September 18, 2009 at 10:58 AM
12-20 million illegal impending Future Democrat voters make this Obama’s best bet at avoiding the justified outrage of the actual and legal American voters already here.
Maybe Michello Obama can hug an illegal and seal the deal.
profitsbeard on September 18, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Lets not forget that the same organizations that rank healthcare in such a way that America is ‘condemned’ rank Cuba as having better healthcare than us. Really? Cuba? This is a sign about how farcical these rankings are.
gwelf on September 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Insurance companies are in the buisness of RISK. They have a legal right under our laws to lower that risk. They don’t have to take on the risk and when they take the risk i.e. pre-existing the cost goes to the consumer and is not absorbed by the country. So do you want to absorb the cost of someone that has a known existing problem? Because if the company has to to take the risk of them dying that will almost triple costs! Just look @ auto insurance if driver a. is a good driver they don’t have risk if driver b. is a bad driver the company reserves the right to take on the risk if they do then we all pay for the bad driver because the gov mandates you must have auto insurance. See this is the problem w/too much gov!
Also, you obviously haven’t a clue about HMO’s They were specifically designed to RATION by Edgar Kaiser just read the HMO Act of 1973. Make more money for less care.
Three ways to lower HC cost:
Repeal HMO Act
Tort Reform
Flat rate fee to illegal aliens unless it is life threatening! Better yet DEPORT THEM!
xler8bmw on September 18, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Not funny! DEPORT THEM IMMEDIATELY!
xler8bmw on September 18, 2009 at 11:03 AM
So, Obama floats the trial balloon regarding amnesty to a) give him cover for his ACORN involvement and simultaneous train wreck of Obamacare and b) shift the public sentiment toward “Who can be against freedom?” by offering it to these poor and downtrodden souls.
So, why would he do this?
He needs the cover for sure–he’s getting absolutely trounced on all the issues and what better way to do it than to cover himself with being the reasonable man and being the beneficent hand.
He needs the extra voters that’s fo sho.
He wants to inflame public opinion such that any smidge of violence can be blown out of proportion and hence, justify his position–and the media’s that any opposition to him is simply racist, both against blacks and hispanics.
POTUS is merely using illegals and amnesty to save his own bacon. We are witnessing Barack Obama’s third abandonment. He was abandoned by his momma’s baby daddy, then by his daddy’s baby momma and now he’s being abandoned by the greater American public. He is simply trying to use amnesty as a way to cling to his Teddy bear in order to get someone to like him again. It ain’t gonna work.
ted c on September 18, 2009 at 11:03 AM
I wonder what they will do when the achiever’s drop out and stop producing largess to be handed out.
Chainsaw56 on September 18, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Are you kidding, I would think that would be one of the easiest places. Round them up then drop them on the other side of the border. Of course you would first need to install machine gun nests 50′ off the ground at 25′ intervals. It would provide some needed jobs an I think would be quite effective right after the first time it was used.
Really though, when are we going to get serious about closing down the borders and controlling immigration like any other major country does?
New Patriot on September 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Then they can redefine all the illegals as doctors or nurses, and that solves the personnel shortage!
PattyJ on September 18, 2009 at 11:08 AM
This is going to get ugly.
ramrants on September 18, 2009 at 11:09 AM
1. “People” already have health care.
2. A vast majority of “People” also have health insurance.
3. Many of those “People” recieve it as an employee benefit.
The overarching problem with this whole so-called ‘health-care’ debate is that, while acknowledging that there are things that could be made to work better, most of us don’t want sweeping, ill-considered change to either the current system of healthcare, or to the existing payment mechanisms.
massrighty on September 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM
When we get all the eggheads out of Washington. Groupthink is killing the USA. Amnesty is a truly bad idea, and anyone with any common sense and appreciaton for reality knows it. Rewarding behavior you don’t want grows more of it to be dead sure. What world do these politicians live in anyway?
saiga on September 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
It is realistic, just stop the job hiring, and busload by busload send them back.
It doesn’t matter if it takes a year or two, stop the influx, then ship out the existing.
Keep them out of schools, and work.
Difficult? Yes, but very easily done. The good news is that they would all gather in one place to protest, so you could have a “round up”…
But glad you think that over 40% of prisonors are illegal, 40% of traffic accidents are illegal, 75% of illegals don’t have drivers insurance…and you don’t make enough money to cover those costs, so you are more then happy to take from those that have, and give to those that don’t.
Doesn’t quite fit with your lie of being a “fiscal conservative”…a socialist is a socialist, and you are a socialist.
right2bright on September 18, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Part of any amnesty is an agreement not to commit the violation again. Immigration amnesty is a proven failure, in that regard, and it is a slap in the face to people who got in line, came here legally, and played by the rules.
Christien on September 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Some of us have been saying this for quite some time. It’s an obvious ploy.
OldEnglish on September 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM
He’s throwing everything on the table at once, this is not good for him, but it means we will have to fight back even harder.
For zero blaming everything on Bush he sure is trying to put through some of his unpopular policies like tarp, wall street bailouts, and amnesty. I wish he would quit with all of this. It’s making me sick.
Brat4life on September 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM
The Hunt for Red October: “a little revolution is a good thing every now and then”
It’s time for a second revolution, this time against home grown tyranny.
worlok on September 18, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Many achievers are already leaning over several degrees, and it won’t take much more for them to fall over and take their money and move out.
Reagan said to his sone Michael,”with a 90% tax rate, it is not worth working and earning into the next tax bracket”.
The liberals are in the process of killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Really stupid.
saiga on September 18, 2009 at 11:17 AM
The hell we can’t do mass deportation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJvIqnw5_1s
We could do that 365 days a year. Only, the problem wouldn’t last a year.
Chris_Balsz on September 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
I think I’m going to have start boycotting restaurants.
misslizzi on September 18, 2009 at 11:19 AM
I’m afraid that if he pushes amnesty, there will be real trouble in the USA. First Acorn, now amnesty. The vote farming operation is in full swing.
saiga on September 18, 2009 at 11:20 AM
“I inherited these 20 million illegals from George W. Bush…!”
We need a new Stimulus Package for “undocumented border crossers“, since they are all just “moms and dads looking for a new life“… !
Support the Billions for Lawbreakers Bill.
Go-bama!
profitsbeard on September 18, 2009 at 11:20 AM
BadgerHawk, been tied up on other things.
I wasn’t laughing as I read that. What I wrote was correct (I do think they should have included a policing mechanism).
And the GOP not having been invited to the White House is technically correct, but sorta irrelevant. Hasn’t Snowe and a few others been part of the “Gang of Six” negotiating the Senate bill? What’s the point in inviting some of the GOP leaders to the White House if they’re going to say that want nothing to do with the bill anyways?
Jimbo3 on September 18, 2009 at 11:21 AM
I’ll give you a ‘realistic’ and ‘feasible’ program;
1. Close the borders (this is always step 1.)
2. Return immediately to the pre-1965 immigration requirements, which included:
A. Sponsorship, by a legal resident who would agree to support you, if you were unable to support yourself.
B. Needed-skills requirement.
C. Health screening.
3. Require that all who are now in this country illegally identify themselves, and begin the process of complying with the requirements and standards outlined in step # 2 above.
Now, if you’re here already, and don’t make the cut, you get sent home.
Any who meet the requirements can begin the legal process, BUT –
4. Before anyone who was here illegally can recieve any public assistance, they must pay a fine, in some substantial amount. Or, the fine can be deducted from the amount of assistance they recieve.
massrighty on September 18, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde.
MB4 on September 18, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Also, you obviously haven’t a clue about HMO’s They were specifically designed to RATION by Edgar Kaiser just read the HMO Act of 1973. Make more money for less care.
–xler8bmw
(earlier) We already have rationing by insurance companies and HMOs in this country
–Jimbo3
——
–Didn’t I write that HMO’s rationed care? How is that not having a clue?
Jimbo3 on September 18, 2009 at 11:24 AM
Hear hear!!!! The pre Teddy Kennedy immigration standards are the ONLY logical first step. The problem is that the 5th column won’t allow it!
worlok on September 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I posted that theory right here on HA during the primaries (he says in an uncharacteristic outburst of self-promotion).
mr.blacksheep on September 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Well, there goes the
neighbourhoodConstitution.OldEnglish on September 18, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Let me see if I have this right.
We are going to rob Peter to pay Paul, there will be no healthcare Tort Reform whatsover, and we are going to deliver on a silver platter the reward of a get-out-of-jail/deportation-free card to millions upon millions of scofflaws and criminal illegal immigrants?
Sounds about right for our liberal Defeatocrat Government and our Marxist President.
“In a higher phase of communist society… only then can the narrow horizon of the bourgeois Right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, To each according to his needs.” -Karl Marx
I am hardly surprised.
SilverStar830 on September 18, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Simple economics. What you have is an artificial centralized interuption into the market. ‘Doc in the boxes’ do not and will not have the capital to compete with an entity (federal government) that has the power to tax, borrow from people that don’t exist yet, and print money. When/if everyone is ‘promised’ lower prices (yet same quality) from said entity, all that is outside it collapse.
That is a known effect by the people pushing this crap. It is their intent for socialized medicine without having to explicitly state such morally bankrupt language.
anuts on September 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM
As Obamoleon was deceiving the neighbors he was also tricking his own animals. The scapegoat was again SnowBush. “Whenever anything went wrong it became usual to attribute it to SnowBush.” In fact many of the claims begin to sound ridiculous to the objective mind. Of course, MSM Squealer’s mission is to keep everything fogy in the minds of the sheeple.
Cheshire Cat on September 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Good enough for my parents. Good enough for everyone.
massrighty on September 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Dood! I called this a month ago, and I got told I was being PARANOID!!! Just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you!
bitsy on September 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM
What I am saying is HMO’s were designed to ration not insurance companies other than taking the risk which they don’t have to take which is not considered rationing.
xler8bmw on September 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Three ways to lower HC cost:
Repeal HMO Act
Tort Reform
Flat rate fee to illegal aliens unless it is life threatening! Better yet DEPORT THEM
–Tort reform has not lowered the overall health/health insurance costs in Texas during the last five years (since 2003). It’s reduced medical malpractice premiums and led to an increase in the overall number of doctors.
“Critics say that law hasn’t helped consumers in Texas, where the average cost of family health insurance jumped from $6,638 in 2000 to $12,403 in 2007, according to Families USA, an advocacy group.” So, it looks like health insurance just about doubled in seven years in Texas, even with tort reform. That’s not very different from the national average, I believe.
Jimbo3 on September 18, 2009 at 11:33 AM
‘Even paranoids have enemies’ – Henry Kissinger.
massrighty on September 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM
FIFY
mr.blacksheep on September 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Yes.
Stupid question.
ErinF on September 18, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Don’t be silly. It is realistic it just isn’t going to happen with the prevailing attitude you all have that illegal immigration is an entitlement. You all created your own reality and are unwilling to admit how royally you screwed up- to the point that your state is bankrupt.
highhopes on September 18, 2009 at 11:36 AM
anuts, there’s no public plan in the current bill. The new co-ops will be initially funded by the government, but won’t be run by the government as an operational matter.
xler, I understand that insurance companies are not now pricing guaranteed availability and guaranteed renewability into their policies. But that’s why I’m in favor of requiring them to do so and requiring people to have insurance or pay a fine.
Jimbo3 on September 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Rationing coverage is not the same as rationing care.
In a free market you will always have private entities ration their expenses according to their own specific cost structure. There is no such right that compels them to perform otherwise. It takes, by definition, the stripping of the concept and word “private” to mandate such.
When and only when the ultimate result is a monopoly (government run health care) then can you accurately substitute care for coverage.
anuts on September 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I think you’re parsing by trying to say that illegal immigrants won’t be covered because the bill says so, even though there’s no enforcement mechanism. But at least we agree on the need for one.
And it’s not fair to claim the GOP doesn’t want to do anything with health care. They have a bunch of ideas which actually address the cost and competition issues that President Obama claims he’s concerned about. People that pay attention know that this issue isn’t really about cost or competition; it’s about control and redistribution. You’re a smart enough guy to know that, and to know that President Obama can never admit it without his plans going down in flames.
BadgerHawk on September 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM
So, by this logic, only tort reform has an effect on overall costs? Not true.
Logic would dictate that reducing malpractice insurance costs (thereby lowering the cost of delivering the service) and increasing the number of doctors (thereby increasing the supply) would lower the cost of providing health care.
Therefore, something else, some factor not considered, must be driving costs up:
I would suggest that the culprits include;
1. Increased regulation
2. New treatments and therapies that don’t yet have the economy-of-scale benefits of established treatments.
3. General increases in the costs of doing business.
You cited Families USA ‘an advocacy group.’
Out of curiosity, what do they ‘advocate.’
Is it possible that they are in the ‘single payer/public option’ camp?
massrighty on September 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Let’s see, First we had “Waterloo” -ABBA
Then “Well dressed man” -ZZ top
Now we have “Putting out a fire with gasoline” – David Bowie.
Chainsaw56 on September 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM
One thing is not going to lower Insurance rates. That’s why have given 3 ways to lower them. There is no way JUST Tort Reform would lower cost by itself. Texas has a high rate of illegals so if the illegals are still raping the system no matter how much Tort Reform you have will put barely a dent in the savings. Basic math & logic. If you have Tort Reform, Deport or suspend treatment to illegalls & Repeal HMO’s the cost saving would be significant.
xler8bmw on September 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM
So, increased supply but the same demand? What would have happened to premiums had the supply of doctors not increased?
If you want to argue that the demand did not increase contemporaneously with the number of doctors, then the only conclusion is that there’s some other inefficiency that reduced supply-side price elasticity.
One argument is that there’s insufficient competition in the insurance industry. If that’s the case, then allow competitors from other states to go after the same business.
The other possibility is that insurance premiums had been held artificially low before the change in tort reform, and the increase in doctors was a step towards restoration of equilibrium.
mr.blacksheep on September 18, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Before I knew Obama’s name
And heard his wail and whinin’
I had a country and it had me
And the sun was always shinin’
But then he, Pelosi and Reid betrayed me
And left me far behind them
And now I’m lost, so gone and lost
Not even God can find me
MB4 on September 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM
With all due respect, I believe you are caught up in the language and should focus on the results. To argue semantics over something of this nature is dangerous.
anuts on September 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM
You can’t require them to do so they’re a private buisness big government has been the problem! Also, by making them do so the cost would sky rocket significantly! If you make them take on a greater risk then who pays them NO YOU!
xler8bmw on September 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Maybe Pelosi was right about “Political” violence…
… I don’t see this ending well.
Seven Percent Solution on September 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM
FIFY
Christien on September 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM
A good rule of thumb is to double or even triple any government estimates involving costs or quantity of things that are unpopular. And, dividing by two or three any estimates related to how beneficial a government program might be.
Since the government estimates there are between 12 and 20 million illegals (what an amazing spread), that would really be 30 to 60 million, with the actual number being closer to 30 million.
There have been six or seven amnesties since the first one in 1986, the only thing any of them have resulted in is more illegal aliens. There is no reason to expect that a new amnesty would have different results.
Personally, I would like to see the traitors in Congress impaled, and their impaled carcasses arranged as some sort of macabre forest on the open space of the Mall, complete with signage saying who they are and what their crimes were. But then again, I’ve always been a moderate.
mrpeabody on September 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Now throw in something crazy like the world deciding not to buy our debt anymore, and you have a recipe for a bomb.
DFCtomm on September 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM
The Strange Case of Professor Obama and Herr Hussein is a real life drama playing out in the aftermath of the Presidential election of 2008. It is about the dilemma of the American citizen who sees strange dissonances between the new found Messiah, Professor Obama, and the ever more emerging misanthropic, pyromaniac (reference note #1) Herr Hussein. It is a vivid portrayal of a split personality, split in the sense that within the same person there is, or was, both an apparently good and an ever more emerging evil personality each being quite distinct from the other. In mainstream culture the very phrase “Obama and Hussien” will come to mean a person who’s words are vastly different in moral character from his actions.
Reference note #1: Such individuals who lack ulterior motive have traditionally been referred to in layman’s terms simply as a variation of a pyromaniac. Most such maniacs lack conscious motivation although they are fully aware of the acts they are failing to stop or they themselves are committing. Typically they will feel intense pleasure, gratification, or relief when causing destruction or when witnessing or participating in the aftermath. Motivation is also classified as pathological and non-pathological. Some research suggests that feeling such joy at horrific situation is pathological. Other research suggests that some motivation for this comes from rational thought. Taking joy in horrific situations for envisioned gains in political power and/or the concealment of the imposition of devious plans are examples of supposed rational decision making.
Sigmund on September 18, 2009 at 11:49 AM
While we’re at it, why don’t we let Acorn tell them how to start a SOHO business?
theRealMcCoy on September 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Families USA is an advocacy group, but I’m assuming that they would at least put up verifiable numbers. If any of you can find better numbers, please do so.
And look guys. I’m obviously a lawyer, so I do “parse” through words carefully (usually). You (collectively) seem to think I’m a liar, weasel, unscruptulous, slimy, etc. I’m not trying to be. That’s just the way I look at things.
Tied up at work. Will continue in a few hours.
Jimbo3 on September 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Don’t get exited now… Here, lie down, relax and have some more Kool-Aid and a pain pill, compliments of ObamaCare. Maybe watch some TV this weekend to relax… let me see who’s on the Sunday talk shows…
saint kansas on September 18, 2009 at 11:52 AM
I’d settle for just send em home, both the illegals and congress. Hehe, amnesty the illegals and deport congress. It would almost be a fair trade.
DFCtomm on September 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Do you now understand the absolute idiocy out of TOTUS now? I have a message for you ‘politicians’ with Rep or Sen in front of your name.
Blacksmith8 on September 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Why not just extend Obamacare to the whole world at this point?
PoodleSkirt on September 18, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Obama dont like his approval at 50%, he wants it to be 30%
tx2654 on September 18, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Thank you – writing too quickly.
But I think the Lyric “Putting out a fire with gasoline” is very appropriate.
Chainsaw56 on September 18, 2009 at 11:59 AM
I am an immigrant, but I think it is time to stop all immigration. I see immigrants from my neck of the woods and elsewhere and they simply do not assimilate and do not even love this country but USE IT. Many actually hate this country. I have heard it personally and I am disgusted. SO, no amnesty, and we should stop all immigration, other than truly needed asylum, so people can become Americans.
immigrantchick on September 18, 2009 at 12:00 PM
The rise in the cost in healthcare costs couldn’t have anything to do with our absorbing the development cost of drugs, new and elaborate proceedures, better care for the chronically ill, constantly improving facilities and taking care of every foreigner who can buy a plane ticket or take a walk. We don’t even need to consider the ambulance chasing, millionaire lawyers. How about $30K to cure a noncitizen of TB? How about pregnant, wise, Latino ladies landing on layover at Dulles and claiming that contractions have started? Then she deplanes with seven realtives.
I may have posted this before, but ask any hospital board member in a major city about how The One’s constituents have actually been causing this problem more than the insurance companies with their skinflint adjustors and fat cat CEOs.
IlikedAUH2O on September 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM
I think most of us appreciate your willingness to argue and not just drop weak one liners before running away like most of our lefties.
Just recognize that the readership here is, on average, way more informed than the average adult walking down the street. The arguments President Obama makes in front of his fawning crowds aren’t going to work.
BadgerHawk on September 18, 2009 at 12:01 PM
1. I was wondering what that smell was.
2. Yes, I do.
3. Not a particularly strong defense counselor.
mrpeabody on September 18, 2009 at 12:02 PM
If we had started this during the Bush attempt at amnesty, we’d be done with it. And there would only be
47304918a whole bunch of uninsured Americans.BobMbx on September 18, 2009 at 12:03 PM
The rise in the cost in healthcare costs couldn’t have anything to do with our absorbing the development cost of drugs, new and elaborate proceedures, better care for the chronically ill,
Ok, bad sentence. Redundancy. Take out one of the three costs I used. If you take out one cost, you will beat The One’s Plan.
IlikedAUH2O on September 18, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Ha! The joke is on you. Everyone on the planet is an American citizen…they just haven’t arrived yet.
BobMbx on September 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM
More Cloward-Piven crap.
If anyone here believes Obama is only making one idiot mistake after another as opposed to actively working to bring this country down, you’re out of your minds!
Chaz706 on September 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM
That’s always been the complaint, since we all first landed.
AnninCA on September 18, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Send the illegals home. The traitors I want punished, harshly. I want an example made out of them that will take peoples breath away and cause anyone considering high office to make a serious examination of their motives.
Being ELECTED to represent the people is a high honor and a heavy responsibility, it should NEVER be seen as akin to winning the lottery. And, Nancy Pelosi is correct…and it will be her and her ilk that will have driven the issue to that point.
mrpeabody on September 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Of course it does. As long as we continue to reward illegal aliens for their illegal behavior — by granting them the right to remain here, and by giving them jobs, free schooling for their kids, free healthcare in ER’s (and taxpayer-funded health insurance if Obama’s bill passes), in-state tuition rates at state colleges, S-CHIP, taxpayer-subsidized mortgages, U.S. citizenship for their anchor babies, etc. (not to mention all the other benefits many illegal aliens illegitimately receive by using phony documents — such as welfare, food stamps, etc.), we will never stop illegal immigration. When you reward a behavior, you always get more of that behavior, not less. That is a basic tenet of human behavior that will never change, and one that our federal government will apparently never acknowledge.
AZCoyote on September 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM
They do seem a bit on the stupid side. But, their primary skill set these days is PR, not really governance. And a lot of presidents helped to create that problem, both GOP and Dem.
AnninCA on September 18, 2009 at 12:08 PM
If Barry thought there was opposition to his health care reform, just wait until he pushes AMNESTY.
GarandFan on September 18, 2009 at 12:10 PM
David J. Stoddard, 27 year veteran of the Border Patrol said -
“Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S. citizen. Mexicans want to remain citizens of their home country while obtaining the benefits offered by the United States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, government subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home. They want benefits earned and subsidized by middle class Americans. What illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying the price.
Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I, Mexico allowed German spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S.. During World War II, Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today, Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don’t believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their choolchildren.”
MB4 on September 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM
When we ran out of large unmapped land masses to the west the complaint became true.
DFCtomm on September 18, 2009 at 12:11 PM
US citizens, meet the Polish and Czechs. We’re sold down the River Marx.
maverick muse on September 18, 2009 at 12:13 PM
While shocking and brutal, Vlad knew how to effectively influence the masses. At some level, there is merit to the procedure.
BobMbx on September 18, 2009 at 12:13 PM
The Watchmen
There are a good number of souls who just come here to read.
I have about 3 in touch with me all the time but today it has risen to 6 (although one is an illiterate jerk who is also a New England hyperliberal) so it is really 5.
I get email retorts when I write. Worse than that, I hear kudos or carps about the other posters. I keep most of it to myself. However one of the readers is this attractive woman who gushes about the posts here at times. So if I write fan stuff, that is why.
She enjoys BadgterHawk and I think seven percent is better. Much mo better and writes less.
IlikedAUH2O on September 18, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Please, lead by example. Go home.
BobMbx on September 18, 2009 at 12:15 PM
I am so tired of people making this comment. Our system is NOT BROKEN!!! You want to come here? Fill in the paper work. I know many people who waited in line and they are citizens now.
It’s only “broken’ to dimwits who want open borders.
BierManVA on September 18, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Maybe, but it has never been so correct before.
MB4 on September 18, 2009 at 12:16 PM
A lawyer making assumptions about unverified numbers? Really?
dominigan on September 18, 2009 at 12:17 PM
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