Democrats to Obama: Um, what exactly are we getting for selling out Poland to Russia?
posted at 8:16 pm on September 17, 2009 by Allahpundit
What are you getting? You’re getting the same thing you got when he sold out Honduras to Chavez over that non-coup “coup” they staged: The warm fuzzy glow of knowing that George Bush would heartily disapprove.
But some members of Obama’s own party, however, had a simple question for the administration: if this was a return to realism, and a concession to Russia’s long and vocal opposition to the missile program, what, exactly, was the U.S. getting in return for fundamentally changing it?
And almost certainly, the answer leads back to Iran…
But Russia has given no ground on those questions, with Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov bluntly opposing tougher sanctions. And Medvedev suggested Thursday that any new American political capital would be more likely go toward the longer-term Obama Administration goal of deep cuts to the two countries’ nuclear weapons stocks…
“If they wanted to engage in a process of negotiation over this they should have been transparent with the Polish and the Czech governments,” said Randy Scheunemann, the top foreign policy advisor to the presidential campaign of Senator John McCain, who said cancelling the missiles in the countries was “seriously misguided.”
“Unilateral preemptive concession in the hope that your negotiating partners will follow suit? Anyone who believes that will work with Russia hasn’t looked at 70 years of Soviet history and 200 years of Russian history,” Scheunemann said.
As much of a royal sucker as he is for agreeing to this, The One deserves credit at least for the shrewdness of his politicking. It’s amazing how much goodwill on foreign policy he’s been able to buy from conservatives simply by being willing to stay the course in Afghanistan for another year. As much anger as there is among the grassroots over today’s retreat and his appalling Honduras betrayal, not to mention the excruciating length of time it took for him to show some indignation about Iran’s head-cracking after the election, there’s no bite to it the way there is to the protests over ObamaCare and bank bailouts. Expectations of how he’d deal with foreign powers were so fabulously low on the right that a modest troop increase in Kabul is enough to placate us until the midterms, in all likelihood. Notice also how the goalposts on Iran have subtly moved after today’s decision. No longer is convincing them to give up their nuke program the acid test of Obama’s diplomatic push; now, merely getting Russia to play ball on sanctions — which no one believes will force Iran to give up the bomb, mind you — is the test. If Putin comes around and agrees to join in the wrist-slap on Tehran, well, then that’s proof that Hopenchange works, whether Iran is disarmed or not.
If you’re looking for tea leaves to read about future cooperation, enjoy this piece from Russian media suggesting that the U.S. backing down on missile defense is hardly a concession at all, in which case why would a quid pro quo be necessary? Oh, and this one too from Fox News reminding us that Iran somehow managed to launch a satellite into space earlier this year, which suggests the sort of near-term long-range missile capability that our crack intel team now insists doesn’t require defending against.










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What are we getting?
Nuclear Sodomy.
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:17 PM
Magic beans?
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Obama will bury us
Green Muse on September 17, 2009 at 8:18 PM
Tariff free vodka?
Lance Murdock on September 17, 2009 at 8:19 PM
The only thing o gets credit for is bringing or trying to bring this nation to its knees.
ohiobabe on September 17, 2009 at 8:19 PM
by the way Sept 17th 70 years ago was the day the Soviet Union invaded Poland. Nice anniversary to announce we are screwing Poland. That is what they call Smart Power.
rob verdi on September 17, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Um, what exactly are
we getting for selling out Poland to RussiaGE and Russia getting?misslizzi on September 17, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Great knockoff watches?
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:20 PM
Hot Russian mail order brides?
One can hope.
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Some DVD’s that won’t work on O’s TV.
Green Muse on September 17, 2009 at 8:21 PM
Ushanka-mania!
LibertyBoyNYC on September 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM
ITS SUICIDE!!!!!!!!!!!
canopfor on September 17, 2009 at 8:22 PM
A used Lada with 652,000 rutted highway kilometers on the odometer?
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM
More, cheaper Che Guevara tshirts!
LibertyBoyNYC on September 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Maybe cheaper vacuum tubes for my preamp :)
Green Muse on September 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Is it possible to schedule a mental competency hearing for the President of the United States? Kinda difficult, I know, since the leadership of Congress appears to suffer from the same mental illness.
Who would sit on such a panel, anyway? Then what would we do if experts were able to determine that the President was not competent to continue to serve?
Skandia Recluse on September 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Probably an Israeli first-strike of Iran.
Sharr on September 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM
A Case of the Clap?
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM
Screuwed? No kisses? No credibility in the free world?
Total disgust?Discredited as a super power?
katy the mean old lady on September 17, 2009 at 8:23 PM
It’s embarrassing. I’m thinking about Putin and Medvedev sitting in a room laughing their asses off and it makes me sick.
Mark1971 on September 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM
After today’s report, I believe Israel will strike Iran during Thanksgivings.
Lance Murdock on September 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM
The opportunity to set off a Geiger counter every time we belch?
DrAllecon on September 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM
What are we getting?
Nothing. But Barry is about to get punked. Pride goeth before the fall. After all, look at all the stuff we got from North Korea because of Barry’s “Smart Diplomacy”.
GarandFan on September 17, 2009 at 8:24 PM
A whole lot of new material for Yakoff Smirnov? Da!
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Obama is buying more magic smoke, as he used his complete supply.
tarpon on September 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Everytime I think I have figured out who is pulling the strings, I learn that Obama has many puppetmasters. It must be quite a tangle of strings under that lovely custom made jacket.
ctmom on September 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM
We basically got bent over, and $@#$%ed without the dinner and movie.
Enoxo on September 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM
What do we get in return?
A couple of megatons.
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:25 PM
Israel……
Dr Evil on September 17, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Obama needs to undress totally and go before the nation nude. Then he needs to raise his arms, spread his legs and do a full 360, slowly, and keep on doing that until we can see every inch of his body, including in this nether regions.
I’m telling you, the mark of the Beast will be somewhere there.
keep the change on September 17, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Skittle-pooping unicorns and rainbows? The lion to lie down with the lamb? Hope, change, and prosperity for all except those evil-mongering political terrorizing wingnut Neanderthal racists?
TheQuestion on September 17, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Well, First prize is a one week all-expenses paid trip to Vladivostock in January.
Second prize is two weeks.
JohnGalt23 on September 17, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Full custody of Yakov Smirnov?
Chuck Schick on September 17, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Damnit! I am not a racist.
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:27 PM
More Iranian irregulars coming across Iraq’s border?
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:27 PM
What is about Democrats and bending over for tyrants?
LibertyBoyNYC on September 17, 2009 at 8:27 PM
We’re sure getting our money’s worth from that Overcharge button, aren’t we?
malclave on September 17, 2009 at 8:27 PM
Well,ya know,were not sure,but we think that the Iranian
missisle threat is not that advanced as we thought,and um
so,like ah were gonna throw Europe under da bus,besides ah
we have ah worse problems um ah at home with those crazy
racist RightWingers..and ah..um..ah..um…(sarc).
canopfor on September 17, 2009 at 8:27 PM
A couple of thousand REM each?
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:28 PM
I’m confused- will we be bowing to our chinese master, or our soviet master?
anniekc on September 17, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Um, screwed?
Cicero43 on September 17, 2009 at 8:28 PM
After the mushroom cloud clears, those of us who survived get to glow in the dark.
milwife88 on September 17, 2009 at 8:28 PM
Bawney Fwank is on a mission to find 12 inches.
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:28 PM
WE ARE NOT GETTING SQUAT! BUT GE IS!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Obama-helps-strengthen-General-Electric-Putin-ties-59644627.html
Dread Pirate Roberts VI on September 17, 2009 at 8:29 PM
A kidney punch that makes your piss look like borscht for a week?
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Putin will quit appearing in public shirtless…?
d1carter on September 17, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Both, the Russians infront and the Chinese behind.
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Obama will get a start-up kit in how to create a dictatorship.
the_nile on September 17, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Jimmy Carter has been re-incarnated into Barack Obama, and he’s not even dead yet! What does this do to my Christian beliefs? Who is occupying Carter’s body? My, oh my!
jaime on September 17, 2009 at 8:30 PM
Questioning his foreign policy fecklessness is raaaaacist.
JammieWearingFool on September 17, 2009 at 8:30 PM
What is the man behind the curtain getting out of it?
farright on September 17, 2009 at 8:30 PM
That has to be racist or something, because I’m nodding.
LibertyBoyNYC on September 17, 2009 at 8:30 PM
We are showing Poland and the Baltics that they ****ed up, they trusted us.
Mr. Joe on September 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM
I hear the Russians have created these great little unicorns that one unicorn fits into another uniforn, like the little doll house for obama. That’s about it.
HornetSting on September 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM
Pardon, raaaaacist
LibertyBoyNYC on September 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM
The Spirit of Kuciniches Past.
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM
reaganaut on September 17, 2009 at 8:32 PM
So far,the score is,
World-0
Europe -0
Russia-2
Iran-3
Team Liberal-1!!
NUTS!!!
canopfor on September 17, 2009 at 8:32 PM
Or ours.
katy the mean old lady on September 17, 2009 at 8:32 PM
If Soros had a company that helped install the missile shield, rest assured it would be built. I suspect George has more to profit on the Russian end.
JammieWearingFool on September 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM
The peace that comes with knowing
HondurasPolandRussiaIranBarack is creating a US of which Michelle can be proud.haikusrock on September 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM
So are these Democrats questioning Obama now officially racist?
catmman on September 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM
A whole bunch of cool Russian Army crap at the Army-Navy store the Russian Army is getting all new issue for the westward push?
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM
That makes Obama the Dalai Carter.
Cicero43 on September 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM
….I’m the smiling face on your t.v.
I’m the cult of personality
I exploit you, still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three….
reaganaut on September 17, 2009 at 8:32 PM
reaganaut: All the Leftys want,is thier ObamaTV!!:)
canopfor on September 17, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Or what we got when he threw the Iranian students into the bloody hands of the Iranian Regime.
Weight of Glory on September 17, 2009 at 8:34 PM
In the real world who knows what is really happening at this moment? Maybe Russia signed off on Irans destruction. They aren’t going to announce that are they?
BL@KBIRD on September 17, 2009 at 8:34 PM
What is it with this President, doing things that are not only indefensible, but at the worst posible date on the calendar.
Sept 11th – we concede to Iran (funder of terrorists.)
Now this.
I’m sure I’m missing one.
massrighty on September 17, 2009 at 8:35 PM
Interesting. I thought The Won was doing a few good deeds and then letting the sheer force of his personality take us the rest of the way to paradise. He’s like most politicians, in somebody’s pocket.
Cindy Munford on September 17, 2009 at 8:35 PM
A couple of extra-surly babushka’s down at the deli?
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:35 PM
It is hard to imagine, but this administration’s foreign policy will actually be as devastating as his domestic policy.
DrStock on September 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM
And, one of the best guitar riffs ever.
massrighty on September 17, 2009 at 8:36 PM
Whew. For a second there I thought I was going crazy. Thanks!
jaime on September 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Will the Russians agree to shake Obama’s hand now?
malclave on September 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM
We have a naive child and his friends running the country.
Cicero43 on September 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Is Billary still SOS? She has been very quiet lately.
farright on September 17, 2009 at 8:37 PM
Actually…it’s GE and Morgan Stanley, per Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/managementIssues/idUSLH50324420090917
GE and Morgan Stanley… who have a more than cozy relationship with this administration… will benefit potentially as a direct result of Obama screwing over our allies in Eastern Europe?
That’s what it looks like from where I’m sitting.
powerpro on September 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM
I think at this point Obama is shaking something of Putin’s.
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Um, did I miss the announcement that he was going to increase troop levels or somehow try to do something different there? Afghanistan is deteriorating faster than I would have believed. If he doesn’t commit to a surge there then he gets no credit for merely staying there and getting hammered.
redshirt on September 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM
A shipment of rainbows and white unicorns?
oh golly!
ted c on September 17, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Change.
Ronnie on September 17, 2009 at 8:39 PM
this is kind of Unilateral isn’t it. I mean to do this on the 70th anniversary of invasion is pretty out there.
tomas on September 17, 2009 at 8:39 PM
How ’bout a nice dacha for Obamski and the missus down at Lake Upchukskaobotski?
Doorgunner on September 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Sometimes I envy Allah’s talent for phrasing. Okay – well I always envy it …
Anyways … Pravda is playing this news of our betrayal of Poland in kind of a cagey way. On the one hand they’re saying that Obama is just addressing realities – but realities that were dictated by them.
On the other – there’s a headline they had up today that said the U.S. now intends to “surround” Russia with missile sites.
Doesn’t appear the Kremlin’s own newspaper is willing to admit this will lead to better relations with us.
So the answer is – we didn’t get Jack Shite for this betrayal of Poland. Didn’t the first Neville Chamberlain sell out Poland?
Anyway – I was stationed on an Aegis cruiser which was outfitted for balistic missile defense. They are awesome – but there is NO WAY that Aegis cruisers can take the place of a reliable and strategically placed shore facility. Not in a million years. Too many variables I won’t even begin to get into.
HondaV65 on September 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM
I knew it. Obama kicking USA in the gut, he must be doing it to benefit somebody
macncheez on September 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM
That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking for the past three months.
jaime on September 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM
Honestly, when you saw photos of this incompetent man meeting with Putin, just how DID you think it was going to turn out.
He’s pulled our pants down, turned our collective backs to Putin and bent us over… Maybe he should ask Larry Sinclair what comes next.
CC
CapedConservative on September 17, 2009 at 8:41 PM
“Smart Power” seems awfully dumb to me. And Obama sold Poland out to Russia on the 70th anniversary of their invasion in World War II of Poland as part of their deal with Hitler.
Obama can’t be that stupid and naive. That had to be on purpose.
wildcat84 on September 17, 2009 at 8:42 PM
Russia wasn’t worried about the missile capabilities of these systems: they didn’t like them placed in Poland and the Czech Republic as they represented a defense relationship between the US and those nations.
I know, that’s a “duh” observation but sometimes even the obvious bears repeating.
The Czech and Poles have to be worried, really worried.
Don’t expect much future help from Warsaw in our war on terror. Or human made disasters. Whatever nonsense we’re using now.
And as the Poles go, others will follow.
As the saying goes, it may be unwise to be an enemy of the US but it can be positively deadly to be her friend.
SteveMG on September 17, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Obama won’t let harm come to us.
He loves us.
MayBee on September 17, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Early Retirement. :D
HondaV65 on September 17, 2009 at 8:46 PM
Good God Damn… ;_;
I’m going to find everyone that stayed home on election day and didn’t vote for the RINO and kick their asses.
liquidflorian on September 17, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Maybe, it is a last ditch effort to keep Russia from giving them rocket technology.
tomas on September 17, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Is Hillary going to bail now? What is keeping her? I never understood why she took that SOS gig in the first place.
DrStock on September 17, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Obama is like a poker player who shows everyone else his cards and folds when he is holding the winning hand thinking the other players will respect him.
Dollayo on September 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Heres a couple of websites,military wise that is!
http://www.spacewar.com/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html
canopfor on September 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM
A “wrist-slap” or case of Stoly for the closet mullahs? Either way, the Russians will put no credible pressure on Iran, so I disagree. Look at what’s marketable for Russia to the Iranians—they’re in a race with NK on who can arm Iran the fastest. Follow the money is the ultimate motive.
Rovin on September 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Hmmmmmmm.They both have wierd lips and ugly wives.
anniekc on September 17, 2009 at 8:48 PM
Vladimir Putin is without a doubt the savviest, most intelligent and gutsiest world leader out there. Putin can sell Obama beachfront property in Siberia.
Holger on September 17, 2009 at 8:51 PM
Why in the hell is anyone surprised that Obama is doing this and every thing else he is doing.He told anybody that would listen he was going to remake this country before the election.over the last 2 years there has been video & audio of this man saying he wanted to change our constitution, foreign policy ,health care system,how much money anyone can make,our very way of life.So to all these so called wizards of smart both Libs & conservatives .You were so beguiled by his smoove talk and his blackness you chose to look the other way.So don,t stand there and now say we are so surprised by his actions.You wanted it so live with it.
thmcbb on September 17, 2009 at 8:52 PM
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