Biden: Iran not a threat
posted at 11:36 am on September 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Why has the Obama administration decided to toss eastern Europe under the bus in order to make nice with Russia? According to CNN, Joe Biden says that a missile-defense system in Europe isn’t really necessary, because Iran isn’t much of a threat. No, really:
Vice President Joe Biden earlier refused to confirm to CNN that the George W. Bush-era plan was being shelved.
But he did explain the logic of doing so, saying Iran — a key concern for the United States — was not a threat.
“I think we are fully capable and secure dealing with any present or future potential Iranian threat,” he told CNN’s Chris Lawrence in Baghdad, where he is on a brief trip.
“The whole purpose of this exercise we are undertaking is to diminish the prospect of the Iranians destabilizing that region in the world. I am less concerned — much less concerned — about the Iranian potential. They have no potential at this moment, they have no capacity to launch a missile at the United States of America,” he said.
This recalls Obama’s analysis of the Iranian threat from April 2008:
Strong countries and strong presidents talk to their adversaries. That’s what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That’s what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That’s what Nixon did with Mao. I mean, think about it. Iran, Cuba, Venezuela — these countries are tiny, compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet, we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying, ‘We’re going to wipe you off the planet.’
And ultimately, that direct engagement led to a series of measures that helped prevent nuclear war, and over time, allowed the kind of opening that brought down the Berlin Wall. Now, that has to be the kind of approach that we take. You know, Iran, they spend one-one hundredth of what we spend on the military. If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us, they wouldn’t stand a chance. And we should use that position of strength that we have, to be bold enough to go ahead and listen. That doesn’t mean we agree with them on everything. We might not compromise on any issues, but at least we should find out other areas of potential common interest, and we can reduce some of the tensions that has caused us so many problems around the world.
Nuclear weapons and long-range missiles in the hands of millenial Islamist lunatics in Tehran? No big threat … to us. Why should we risk annoying Russia to protect our allies against it? After all, Russia will use its influence to stop Iran from getting nukes, right? Right? Er …
Imposing swift additional sanctions against Iran over its nuclear programme would be a “serious mistake,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Thursday.
“Today there is a real chance to conclude talks whose results should be an agreement restoring trust in the purely peaceful nature of Iran’s nuclear programme,” Lavrov said in televised remarks.
“Disrupting this chance by demanding swift imposition of sanctions would be a serious mistake,” he added.
So we threw our allies under the bus to not get Russian cooperation in isolating Iran’s mullahs? This must be that smart power that Obama’s allies like to proclaim.
Don’t worry, the White House assures everyone. We’re not abandoning the allies who took significant geopolitical risks in standing up to Moscow over the missile-defense shield. The US will still provide some form of missile defense, even if it is much less reliable. Michael Goldfarb explains:
The White House has put out a “fact sheet” on their policy of Russian appeasement/missile defense surrender. The fact sheet says that the new approach — focusing on SM-3 and sea-based systems (presumably in Turkey) — will “augment our current protection of the U.S. homeland against long-range ballistic missile threats.” That is a lie. This system will provide zero, nada, zilch protection to the U.S. homeland, providing only defense against short- and medium-range missiles to Europe.
The fact sheet says this system will protect “our Allies in Europe sooner and more comprehensively than the previous program, and involves more flexible and survivable systems.” That is a lie. The system that was being placed in Poland is already operational in Alaska. These new plans will now take years of negotations to implement and will necessarily be less survivable as they will not be underground.
The fact sheet says that “The Czech Republic and Poland, as close, strategic and steadfast Allies of the United States, will be central to our continued consultations with NATO Allies on our defense against the growing ballistic missile threat.” That is a lie. The Czechs and Poles get a midnight phone call from the president while Tauscher is already in the air. They were not consulted with and have been given no assurances — because the president is selling them out.
The fact sheet says, “We also welcome Russian cooperation to bring its missile defense capabilities into a broader defense of our common strategic interests.” If that’s true, our president is totally clueless about Russian capabilities and intentions — even Bush, who looked into Putin’s soul, was not so delusional as to think U.S. missile defense could be dependent on Russian good will and cooperation. How long til the Russians threaten to throw us out of our “joint” missile defense facilities in order to coerce us into staying out of an attack on Georgia or some other democratic state in their near abroad.
We’ve sold out the Poles and the Czechs, who have seen the West do this before. The Times of London should get the last word here. Smart power, indeed:
By trading the loyalty of Poland and the Czech Republic to satisfy Russia’s security concerns, the United States is signalling that it no longer contests Moscow’s right to assert its interests in Eastern Europe.
Ukraine and Georgia’s chances of entering Nato over Russian objections have diminished further. The timing is disastrous for Ukraine in particular, given the Kremlin’s determination to reverse the pro-Western Orange Revolution and ensure victory for a pro-Russian candidate at presidential elections in January.
The Baltic States, already in Nato, will be feeling a chill as they ponder an even more assertive Russia. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania have been among the Kremlin’s most vocal critics but Nato’s new Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has declared a “true strategic partnership” with Russia his top priority.
The Bush Administration delighted in emphasising relations with the “new Europe” of former Soviet bloc countries, often at the expense of recalcitrant “old Europe” of Germany and France on foreign policy.
Mr Obama has shown that the US is no longer playing that game. He wants Russian help on Afghanistan and Iran and is leaving Europe to resolve its own relationship with Moscow on everything from energy security to historical grievances.
The Kremlin can barely believe its good fortune. Mr Obama has pressed the “reset” button to improve relations without obtaining anything more than permission for US aircraft to cross Russian airspace on resupply operations for troops in Afghanistan.










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oh did Michel Chossudovsky interview bin-laden?? hmmmm??
right4life on September 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
your article is like you…full of sh**
right4life on September 17, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Are do you chant = Or do you chant
Oops!
rukiddingme on September 17, 2009 at 4:25 PM
The difference is the people that were screwed by the Europeans are all dead. We can’t do anything to compromise. The Palestinians are having their land taken and are living through it right now. Israel should stay within it’s established borders from the UN.
The Calibur on September 17, 2009 at 4:26 PM
The whole Pal nation argument is so much HotAir. The comparison of the aboriginal people of North America to the Arabs of the Middle East is nonsense. There never was…ever…a Palestinian nation. The apologists for the Arabs want you to believe there was. They cannot show a single year in the history of mankind that had a Palestinian nation. The Phoenicians found the Jews already there. The Egyptians found the Jews already there. The Greeks found the Jews already there. The pan-Saudi Arabs found the Jews already there. The Romans found the Jews already there. Mohammad found the Jews already there.
Not one Arab, European, of Mongol nation ever established a Palestinian state. It is a boogeyman, a shadow….a TOTAL lie that has one and one purpose only, the killing of Jews.
It really is just that simple, anti-semites and Arab apologists.
Now…
Chupar un huevo.
Limerick on September 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Maybe the local Muslims should have thought of that before they attacked Israel.
Haunches on September 17, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Well, I guess in the lefts view, since Israel will be the first target, and since they’ve been less than supportive of Israel, then I can see how they keep coming to the conclusion that Iran’s not that big of a deal.
4shoes on September 17, 2009 at 4:29 PM
Wow this groupthink is impenetrable.
rukiddingme on September 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM
I consider the reservation issue. It’s more so an issue of current discrimination in our society and government.
It’s only incorrect because you wish it to be so. Bin Laden didn’t receive anything from the CIA but the majority of his recruits in Al Qaeda were trained by the CIA funded Pakistani ISI.
The Calibur on September 17, 2009 at 4:30 PM
The left is sponsored by the arabs. They shouldn’t be able to give money to politicians since they then create circumstances benefical to the muslims. Hmmm just like the “industrial war complex” Huh?
Haunches on September 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Israel was attacked IMMEDIATELY in its borders…and that was 60 YEARS AGO…most everyone of those ‘palestinians’ ie arabs….is DEAD.
HYPOCRITE….anti-semitic hypocrite at that…
if you lived by your words, you would leave this land….and give what you owned back to the native americans….all you are doing is posturing to make yourself feel good.
right4life on September 17, 2009 at 4:33 PM
BS. their money came from the Saudis..
we funded al-qaeda only because you, and the left-wing wackos, wish it to be so.
right4life on September 17, 2009 at 4:35 PM
just got this off yahoo – a story the AP just broke:
VIENNA – Experts at the world’s top atomic watchdog are in agreement that Tehran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb and is on the way to developing a missile system able to carry an atomic warhead, according to a secret report seen by The Associated Press.
The document drafted by senior officials at the International Atomic Energy Agency is the clearest indication yet that the agency’s leaders share Washington’s views on Iran’s weapon-making capabilities.
It appears to be the so-called “secret annex” on Iran’s nuclear program that Washington says is being withheld by the IAEA’s chief.
The document says Iran has “sufficient information” to build a bomb. It says Iran is likely to “overcome problems” on developing a delivery system.
SouperConservative on September 17, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Around 1785, the Jewish population in Israel was around 4%. More and more immigrated from Europe, largely ramping up in the early 1900s. “The land without a people for the people without a land” they said. But Arabs were the mass majority for hundreds of years. Since WWII, we’ve let the Jewish people expand and expand and take more land. When does it stop? Should Jewish only settlements exist? Should the Arabs just be pushed into the sea?
The Calibur on September 17, 2009 at 4:38 PM
1785????? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You take 1785 as the Jewish homeland benchmark? You not only are a anti-semite but not too bright as well.
Limerick on September 17, 2009 at 4:39 PM
So in other words, you have no intention of practicing what you preach, you are just pontificating because you think you can claim the highest, most absolute, moral authority that is and will ever be.
By the way, since you doctored my post to make it look like something that it is not, try this one…….STFU!
rukiddingme on September 17, 2009 at 4:40 PM
post your source…..
in the 1860s samuel clemens travelled through the area and called it a wasteland…uninhabited except for a few bedouins….
right4life on September 17, 2009 at 4:43 PM
“[In 1994] the Pakistani Inter Services Intelligence arranged for Basayev and his trusted lieutenants to undergo intensive Islamic indoctrination and training in guerrilla warfare in the Khost province of Afghanistan at Amir Muawia camp, set up in the early 1980s by the CIA and ISI and run by famous Afghani warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. In July 1994, upon graduating from Amir Muawia, Basayev was transferred to Markaz-i-Dawar camp in Pakistan to undergo training in advanced guerrilla tactics. In Pakistan, Basayev met the highest ranking Pakistani military and intelligence officers: Minister of Defense General Aftab Shahban Mirani, Minister of Interior General Naserullah Babar, and the head of the ISI branch in charge of supporting Islamic causes, General Javed Ashraf, (all now retired). High-level connections soon proved very useful to Basayev.
The Calibur on September 17, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Still trying to win a losing arguement?
Haven’t you had your ass handed too you more times then one? That is a mighty large fanny you have there.
upinak on September 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Which has what to do with the Iranian bomb and Iranian intent?
Limerick on September 17, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Katz, 115 citing C.F.C Conte de Volney: Travels through Syria & Egypt in the years 1783, 1784, 1785 (London, 1798). Vol II p. 219
Also for 1850
Scholch, 1985, p. 503.
You could find them on JSTOR or Wikipedia.
The Calibur on September 17, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Which has what to do with the Iranian bomb and Iranian intent?
Limerick on September 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Absolute nonsense, the Israelis allow Palestinians to live, work and vote in elections in Israel.
The Palestinians have no right to ethnically cleanse territory, just because they are mindless, violent Islamic bigots who hate Jews because they are Jews.
The criminal Abbas/Hamas regime has been coddled too long. They want war, they should get it and it should be to the end. And we all know which side will win.
NoDonkey on September 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Eh I don’t think they’re related. I think that stemmed from someone asking what I’d do if I was in charge. Earlier I’ve just posited that Iran is really of little threat to the U.S. I don’t think the Ayatollah’s are interested in leaving their mansions for bunkers.
The Calibur on September 17, 2009 at 4:50 PM
What a fool you are. You argue that PAK training AQ is a high crime but Iran playing with the nuclear genie is a yawner.
We need no futher evidence that you can’t add, subtract, multiply, or divide.
Good day.
Oh….and since you are an anti-semite….
Chupar un huevo.
Limerick on September 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM
didn’t notice bin-laden’s name in there…hmmm…no surprise there…
right4life on September 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Of course by encouraging freedom in other countries, we are only assuring our destruction.
After all, helping people attain freedom in their persons, as well as economies is not useful.
Let’s let them remain ignorant & stagnant the way they are.
Let the ignorant continue to breed more ignorance & hate against things they do not understand.
Let’s become imperialistic- do a lock down.
Screw the rest of the world-like Poland & stuff.
You cannot remain secure without knowing what your enermy is doing outside of your own home.
That is pure lunacy.
But if you prefer this lifestyle, a hole in the sand may just be to your liking.
Badger40 on September 17, 2009 at 4:57 PM
you see before the arabs STOLE THE LAND…it was christian land..and before the Romans drove them out, it was JEWISH LAND….
right4life on September 17, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I wish TexasJew was here.
TJ would kick calibur’s butt to where he belongs. Mecca!
upinak on September 17, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Thanx for the chat all gotta close up shop and get dinner.
The Calibur on September 17, 2009 at 5:02 PM
FIFY.
Get a grip on the REAL reason The Former Sovet Union failed.
Badger40 on September 17, 2009 at 5:10 PM
And rememeber to thank all the farmers & ranchers that made your food possible. And remember to thank all of the white empiristic racists that made it possible for you to enjoy good food in the first place.
And also, remember to thank all those who died so that you may remain free:
like the soldiers in the Rev. War
like the soldiers in Afghanistan & Irag (so you don’t get taken hostage by terrorists at the mall)
like the CIA agents who gather intel in foreign countries that helps prevent you from getting taken hostage by terrorists at the mall.
Sleep well in the notion that war is not at your back door right now.
At least for now.
Badger40 on September 17, 2009 at 5:13 PM
And if you come back to read:
The Ayatollah’s aren’t out suicide bombing & killing American soldiers & other ‘innocent’ civilians. They are only encouraging them to do so.
Neither does Bin Laden leave his ‘mansion’ for the suicide bombing trail-he only tells others to do so.
Go back to fairy land.
Badger40 on September 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I’m still laughing about Israel “taking more and more land”. Hmm? Wonder why they would do that? Were they perhaps provoked? Hmmm?
Haunches on September 17, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Why does this fool remind me of Howdy Doody?
Cybergeezer on September 17, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Limerick you were spectacular! Did you remember to blow the smoke off the end of your gun?
lovingmyUSA on September 17, 2009 at 6:49 PM
I hope someone here mentioned that this happened on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland.
Sapwolf on September 17, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Yes.
xblade on September 17, 2009 at 9:35 PM
Better!
chickasaw42 on September 18, 2009 at 12:05 AM
Good Jesus,
How in the f**k did you put this buffoon in office in the first place?
I’d really like the classes attention here (non/s), please read the following from das wiki:
Following the FCC approval for MCI to begin building microwave relay stations between Chicago and St. Louis, Microwave Communications of America began to form subsidiary corporations and file applications with the FCC to create microwave relays between other city pairs. Between September 1969 and February 1971 fifteen new regional carriers were created allowing for interconnection between a number of major cities in the United States. In July 1969, MICOM also purchasing an equity position in Interdata, an independent regional carrier that was applying to build a microwave relay chain between New York City and Washington, D.C. MCI began selling data transmission services to paying customers on 1 January 1972. To pay for the microwave transmission and relay equipment needed for build out, MICOM began a series of private stock offerings on May 1971. In July 1971 MICOM was restructured into MCI Communications, and the restructured company began the process of absorbing the regional carriers into a single corporation. MCI went public on 22 June 1972, selling an initial offering of 3.3 million shares.”>
Question the first.
Was this a Delaware corporation?
Numero dos.
What shares??
Three (3)
Who owned said shares?
4thly
Follow the mONEY!
OkieDoc on September 18, 2009 at 3:11 AM
Shit,
NM. Joe B. (
and AlGore) invented cell phonesOkieDoc on September 18, 2009 at 3:17 AM
So, here’s more of our beloved “Halliburton” scapegoat:
Who, what where?
OkieDoc on September 18, 2009 at 3:39 AM
And the rest (not All) of the story:
Anti-trust suits
When it ran into problems competing with AT&T, which at the time had a government-supported monopoly in telephone service, it moved to Washington, D.C. to be close to federal regulators and lawmakers. The joke is that in its early years, MCI had more lawyers than land lines or that it was “A law firm with an antenna on the roof”[citation needed]. MCI ordered interconnections from the local exchange carriers, which in most cases was a Bell Operating Company, owned by AT&T. The relationship between MCI and the Bell Operating companies were not that of a typical supplier and customer, as the local operating companies were generally reluctant to do business with a company that its parent was attempting to put out of business. In a decision that became a turning point in the competitive telecommunications industry, Illinois Bell disconnected MCI circuits for what MCI believed was no other reason than to restrain trade. MCI filed an antitrust lawsuit against AT&T in 1974, and eventually changed the telecommunications industry. On June 13, 1980, a jury in Chicago awarded MCI 1.8 billion dollars in damages to be paid by AT&T. The suit, coupled with the Department of Justice antitrust suit also brought against AT&T eventually led to the voluntary breakup of the Bell System.
[edit]
Merger offers
In 1991, British Telecommunications PLC purchased 20% of the company and later made an offer to purchase the rest in 1996. At the same time, GTE, now a part of Verizon, made a bid to purchase MCI for an all-cash purchase. While these offers were being considered by the MCI board, WorldCom, Inc. announced it was also interested in purchasing MCI and made a higher offer than either the BT or GTE offers. On November 10, 1997 in a stock-swap deal valued at US$34.7 billion, MCI accepted the buy-out from WorldCom. On September 15, 1998 the new company, MCI WorldCom, opened for business.”
So what we take from this is that JoeyB is
a.) Not a crook
b.) Yet, piggybacked (oink, oink) on the coattails of
Teddyand the money men.c.) Has been in the verrry pocket of the special interest groups he currently denounces.
OkieDoc on September 18, 2009 at 3:49 AM
.d) the bartender says…
OkieDoc on September 18, 2009 at 3:49 AM
This or Amtrak, take your pick.
OkieDoc on September 18, 2009 at 4:25 AM
At some stage you have to stop blaming incompetance and start considering the people advising Obama and Obama’s left wing history.
davod on September 18, 2009 at 5:28 AM
I want you all to know that I had a dream last night that a missle hit our system and knocked out our grids–knocking us back into 1776! Jeez!
lovingmyUSA on September 18, 2009 at 8:47 AM
Russia pockets that concession and demands more:
Big surprise to no one, except The One.
Paul_in_NJ on September 18, 2009 at 10:03 AM
When the pacifist backs away, the agressor keeps on coming.
The cowards will never learn.
Badger40 on September 18, 2009 at 12:38 PM
“Strong countries and strong presidents talk to their adversaries. That’s what Kennedy did with Khrushchev.”
Did Kennedy’s strong negotiations lead to the Berlin Wall and the Cuban missile crisis.
davod on September 19, 2009 at 8:07 AM
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