Breaking: House votes to suspend payments to ACORN
posted at 2:58 pm on September 17, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The fallout continues from the undercover videos taken at ACORN offices across the country. The House has followed the lead of the Senate in voting to cut off funds to ACORN, this time in the Student Loans Bill. The final vote was a solidly bipartisan 345-75.
How many newspapers will carry this story tomorrow? How many won’t?
The other story in this vote is the fact that the US has more or less nationalized the student-loan industry:
The biggest change in U.S. higher education finance in 35 years was approved on Thursday by the House of Representatives, handing a defeat to major banks and student loan giant Sallie Mae.
Lawmakers voted 253-171 in favor of legislation that would cut the banks and Sallie Mae out of a large slice of the $92 billion college student loan business, shifting most lending into a program run by the U.S. Education Department.
The bill, supported by the White House, will go next to the Senate for further consideration.
Think of it as single-payer for student loans. It’s a potential disaster. We’ll have more on this when it moves into the Senate.
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How much interest income did Pelosi just confiscate from the banking industry? Billions?
faraway on September 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Heh, just had the same question.
Schadenfreude on September 17, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Sorry Schadenfreude. I didn’t see you posted the question already.
taney71 on September 17, 2009 at 3:18 PM
If it was nationalizing Credit Default Swaps like with TARP or bankrolling the losses of speculators and bad faith investors, there would be righteous indignation.
But the pressures exerted by predatory student loan financing is keenly felt by parents, prospective parents, recent graduates and state comptrollers.
It’s definitely fiscally dangerous, and will almost certainly lead to inefficiency waste and corruption, but politically risky? Think real long and hard about how much political harm ANYONE could get into by voting to relieve students from financial distress during a recession.
Or don’t think long and hard, you don’t need to.
Khorum on September 17, 2009 at 3:18 PM
While I want ACORN and all its tenacles defunded, I am against Obama’s attempt to federalize all student loans.
Won’t cheer until I can fully process all the implications of this whole thing.
marybel on September 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Wasn’t the first job Barry took fresh out of Harvard, even before going into full-time “community organizing,” representing the ACORN Family as
consiglierilegal counsel?I’m thinking she was one of the no-shows probably; tally up the total number of votes, subtract from 435 House members, and you get something like 15 idiots that can’t make up their own minds whether or not defunding ACORN is worth nationalizing student loans (or, depending on POV, vice-versa I suppose). I’ll give the 75 jackasses that voted to keep ACORN in business that they know what monstrosities they want to support, at least. The 15 no-shows don’t deserve even that much.
Blacksmith on September 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Really? But even inclined as I’m sure he’d be to whip out the veto pen, the margins in both chambers make that option look futile.
Barnestormer on September 17, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Impeached Alcie Hastings and NC’s own Mel Watt went out on a limb and in an act of political courage voted “present.”
mankai on September 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM
No worries. Better twice, than not at all.
Schadenfreude on September 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM
President Barack Obama now is in the catbird’s seat.
On Sunday, he is going to be on 5 news outlets. The facts are that an organization that he a) used to work for b) funded him and c) he funded himself is now the pending target of a full blown corruption scandal that has broken from sea to shining sea.
Is he going to get “Can we see vacation pictures, Mr. President?” type questions…
Or is he going to get a real deal, full metal questioning by an upstart in the media who could push this issue to the tipping point. ACORN was linked to a spiked story surrounding an election fraud case and illegal contact with the Obama campaign last year. Where is that story, what did it involve, who did it involve and WHY IN THE HELL DON’T WE KNOW ABOUT IT!!????????????????????
ted c on September 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Ignore what?
29Victor on September 17, 2009 at 3:20 PM
Wonderful. College education already became ridiculously priced when the federal government first got involved in the student loan programs. I can only imagine what will happen now…
Conservative in NOVA on September 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM
President KAOS is moving to take over student loans. It appears this coup of his is coming off without a hitch.
By the time November of 2010 rolls around, you will be lucky if the store you shop for groceries in is still in private hands.
Dave R. on September 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM
I think this has forced Drudge to at least mention the ACORN story.
MikeA on September 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM
Yes, but by voting for the defunding of ACORN (which won’t happen anyways), they’ve voted to nationalize the student loan industry.
Cutting off the nose to spite the face, I suppose.
lorien1973 on September 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
My representative, Marsha Fudge, voted to keep funding ACORN. Apparently she just didn’t get my phone calls and e-mails…
myrenovations on September 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
C’mon. It’s not like your house, your car, your education from birth to adulthood, your food choices, and your energy choices will all be controlled by the government.
Oh. I see your point ;-)
hawksruleva on September 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Seriously? Voting “present”. Why make the effort to even come to work? Just go home and leave legislating to people who actually want to take a stand.
taney71 on September 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
Proof that he’s not Messianic. His timing is god awful. Maybe he’ll cancel the appearances, due to flu, or something similar.
Schadenfreude on September 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
I bet hard drives at Acorn are being formated faster than a Panamanian, twelve year old hooker coming through Mexico to San Diego.
Hening on September 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
I always thought Sallie Mae was a semi-government entity to begin with.
Apologetic California on September 17, 2009 at 3:22 PM
she wasn’t even under “not voting,” which is where the absent members end up, right?
Joe Caps on September 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Will Obama sign the bill and then express surprise that there was an ACORN amendment in there?
Will he declare that this is case shows why he needs the line-item veto?
hawksruleva on September 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM
I am not cool with them voting to nationalize the student loan industry….
I’m glad ACORN is cut off from funding, but honestly, nationalizing the student loan industry. First the banks, then the cars, now student loans? What a friggen mess!
deidre on September 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Thanks God for the internets!
sonnyspats1 on September 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
After all, the ACORN workers didn’t seem to think it at all think it strange or out of bounds that an illegal underage prostitution ring should be used to fund a campaign…
UnderstandingisPower on September 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
If they keep voting “present” some day they could be President.
hawksruleva on September 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Dang… even my Communist representative (Brad Miller – NC) voted to suspend funding.
mankai on September 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
Nah. This bill would have passed either way. Now President Obama is in a position of having to strip funding to his beloved ACORN in order to get a take over of the student loan industry (which the government is heavily involved in already).
BadgerHawk on September 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM
I think this calls for some Motor City Mad Man…I got you in a stranglehold baby.
Dr Evil on September 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM
It’s more like a loan aggregator. It’s private. It just raised something like 1.24 billion in capital recently.
lorien1973 on September 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM
I see Moran of Northern Virginia was one of the tools who voted against de-funding ACORN.
When are voters going to get rid of this corrupt moron?
AZCoyote on September 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Dems had the votes to pass Student Loans regardless, so GOP probably figured lets take the chance to defund ACORN while we can
jp on September 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM
Nor should he.
ladyingray on September 17, 2009 at 3:25 PM
That’s already in existence. It was the “The College Cost Reduction and Access Act of 2007″ (so we can’t blame O!).
Monkeytoe on September 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM
I’m sure it would have passed, but I guess I missed it where they were even voting to do this. Wow. I’m shocked that it passed with a HUGE majority. Where are the republicans saying this is a bad idea to nationalize the student loans?
deidre on September 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM
It was through the receipt of federal loans by students that the government was able to enforce Title IX and colleges and universities. Moreover, private and independent institutions are going to feel this the most. If they have to start closing as a result, that’s limited resources and options to future students, as well as a contributor to unemployment.
T.D.D. on September 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Ha, ACORN is killing him and the Won is pitching ObamaCare at colleges today. Talk about saving a tear, when the ocean is engulfing you.
Schadenfreude on September 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM
Yeah, the question is, “What did you know. And when did you know it.”
The answer is, “Knew it al; all along.”
I think it’s time his records (*sigh* no, let’s leave his birth certificate alone for now) from school et. al. were opened. Even though he’s spent a ton of money to hide them, I’m sure there’s nothing incriminating or germane to the present discusion.
davidk on September 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM
The Democrats are panic-struck, attempting to get their names on the list to avoid the obvious public backlash that is coming.
But that does not mean that those same Democrats are not going to discontinue support FOR the associated-orgs we the public know as ACORN, it just means they’re going to now pursue that support via other, less public avenues, like TIDES Foundation…
Lourdes on September 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM
WOW, all this from two young people, perhaps my generation isn’t beyond redeeming after all
thebrokenrattle on September 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM
It’s pretty wild. Two kids and a cheap camera. Thank you God.
Lincoln Cadillac on September 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM
OT: MSM reports that Snowe, Lieberman and others just issued statement supporting Baucus catastrophic bill.
Enoxo on September 17, 2009 at 3:27 PM
I think I understand Pelosi’s strategy here. By tying de-funding of Acorn to single-payer for student loans and federalizing the program, she’s betting on defeat of the student loan provision in the Senate, thus ensuring that Acorn de-funding doesn’t get passed.
NeighborhoodCatLady on September 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Is this where Obama gets his National Security Force?
fourdeucer on September 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM
It’s easier to list CBC members who DIDN’T vote against it than ones who did.
From what I can tell, only about 10 members out of 41 DIDN’T vote against the final bill, meaning they were nearly half the Dems voting to keep funding ACORN.
teke184 on September 17, 2009 at 3:28 PM
Supposedly the republicans stuck it in at the last second before anyone realized what they were voting on.
lorien1973 on September 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM
yeah, he’s just going to whisper to rahm to tell all his newly unfunded ACORN buddies to go sign up for school —think of the bill as the ACORN back to school bill—they’ll end up with the money anyway. It’s a shell game, that’s why people need to go to jail.
Exit Question. How many newly minted “students” are “former employees” of ACORN?
these guys are going to get their wealth redistributed, one way or the other. If it ain’t through smugglin’ chicas, it’s through sittin’ through Ebonics 101 and drinkin’ fodies in the parking lot.
ted c on September 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Try and get a student loan if you want to attend a Christian school. By the time you get done sueing the government you’ll be old enough for a death panel.
davidk on September 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM
mankai on September 17, 2009 at 3:29 PM
I do have to be fair to Empress Pelosi. Speakers of the House do in fact rarely vote. (via wikipedia)
Though I’m sure San Fran Nan does support child prostitution.
rbj on September 17, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Students will NOT be able to get private college loans. PERIOD. The Govt will say who gets the loans and WE will pay for them. WTF? Obama is completely taking over. 90% of all new home loans are govt now too. Wonder why msm never said a word about this?
marklmail on September 17, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Federalizing student loans? Wonder if “voluntary” service will be a requirement to apply for student loans. Just seems like a first step to a bigger idea, still trying to figure out what it is.
LevStrauss on September 17, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Did it? In reading the minutes, the amendment requested by Issa and offered by George, included the requirement to prohibit funds from “certain indicted organizations”.
I can’t be sure if the amendment is actaully that vague (comprehensively general) of if by certain, there was more specifics. I’m leaning towards the former. Anyway, if ACORN has been indicted anywhere, it might have been defunded already. If not, then it will be in the future
whenif it is indicted.This was a good move. I’m thinking this amendment was geared toward the future and not the present. I wonder why 75 Reps voted against prohibiting funds from indicted organizations. it seems to me that this is pretty standard with several Fed agencies/departments.
Dusty on September 17, 2009 at 3:31 PM
ACORN will have a new name, fake new “officers,” and be right back into the billion dollar taxpayer funded pipeline faster than you can say “Obama worked for ACORN.” With Obama in the White House, ACORN and its corrupt practices is going nowhere but to the bank to cash all those guvment checks. Please, people. ACORN “defunded”? You’re dreaming. That’s like saying the democrat party has been defunded. They are one and the same. Shell game begins now.
Rational Thought on September 17, 2009 at 3:31 PM
ACORN now and I bet SEIU will be next.
Believe me, this is going to leave a mark.
Oink on September 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
So they cut off ACORN, but give it to SEIU to dole out?
Jeff from WI on September 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Dont let Obama get away with it again. Dont fall for his crap when he says he is not part of ACORN and never has been.
September 17, 2009 at 2:09 pm
This is a pretty good synopsis
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=&w=MQ==
…but obama was the face man who has always been careful and image conscious.
patriotparty1 on September 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
This has been mentioned before but I guess we need to look at the numbers to drive this point home. The final vote results are thus:
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/17/final-vote-results-for-roll-call/
172 Dems voted FOR , 75 Dems voted AGAINST
173 Republicans voted FOR, 0 Dems voted AGAINST
WITHOUT the ACORN amendment there is zero doubt that those 75 no votes wouldve gone yes, making a straight up and down vote come out to 247 against 173.
Had the republicans decided to punk the dems and voted NO, they could’ve defeated the legislation. And it may have been worth it. But then not only do we have mud on our face for failing to take action against ACORN, but we give the dems enough ammo to hamstring the republicans as voting against assisting American students during a period of economic distress.
As it is we have a unique opportunity: practically the ENTIRE progressive caucus voted against a bill designed to help American kids through College—NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTED NO—while charlatans like Rangel, Ellison, Jesse Jackson Jr. ALL voted in a spectacularly transparent attempt to protect a criminal organization!
Khorum on September 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Who are the 75 corruptists who voted against this measure?
7 corrupt in the senate
75 in the senate
WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES?!
Also, my first source of this was HOTAIR.COM…not ABC, not NBC, not CBS, not CNN, not MSNBC, not NEWYORK TIMES…it was HOTAIR! Oldstream media = pathetic!
PrototypeOne on September 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Dancing with the ones that brung ya!
Schadenfreude on September 17, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Americorps will become the new ACORN.
Bigger and badder than ever.
faraway on September 17, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Tuition will skyrocket even more if this legislation is signed into law. There will nothing to stop it, and this is the Democrats throwing a bone to another one of its lap dogs — higher education.
Spiraling tuition rates will mean increased dependence upon the government. Considering today’s college costs, I’m not sure higher education is worth the money. It’s a bubble just like the dotcoms and real estate. By the time a student, then later an alumnus, pays the principal and interest of a student loan, I’m not sure that they are getting an appropriate return on their investment, especially if their degree is in most of the liberal arts fields.
I live just outside a college town, and I’m friends with a lot of professors and administrators at the local university, which is a regional state school. The school increases its tuition by a large percentage every year. They sit back and cry that the state doesn’t provide enough funding, which is why they have to jack up tuition.
The truth is, is that if they don’t jack up tuition, then prospective students will get federally insured student loans very easily to go to more expensive schools. The administrators aren’t fools. They run up tuition to keep that federally insured gravy train dropping mush brained freshman off on their campus (38% of freshman had to take remedial math and English classes).
They blame it on the state and the taxpayers (accusing them of being anti-intellectual), and the whole time they know that it is a bubble created by the loose lending practices. They know that liberal politicians grease administrators’ palms for political support (professors are the biggest suckers on the planet because they are hard left ideologically and still have to drive broken down cars and live adjacent to student slums because they don’t get the payola).
Ceasing funding for ACORN will have little or no effect. ACORN will re-form under another name. It will be same fungus, but on the side of a different tree.
This is a win-win for the left.
They will have so many new little slaves to the central government in the future.
Oh, take a loan from the government to buy an education (heavily regulated by the state and its blind followers), so why not take a home loan from the government. It won’t be too much to regulate the type of construction or control the thermostat.
Liberty is dying folks, one bill at a time.
Ampleforth on September 17, 2009 at 3:36 PM
The following Representatives voted NO on stopping a prostitution/brothel advocate on receiving TAX PAYER FUNDS:
Baldwin
Becerra
Brady (PA)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capuano
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Cleaver
Clyburn
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (IL)
DeGette
Delahunt
Doyle
Edwards (MD)
Ellison
Engel
Fattah
Filner
Fudge
Green, Al
Grijalva
Hinchey
Hirono
Holt
Honda
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kucinich
Larsen (WA)
Lee (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Lynch
Markey (MA)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
Meeks (NY)
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Nadler (NY)
Neal (MA)
Olver
Pallone
Pascrell
Payne
Polis (CO)
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sánchez, Linda T.
Schakowsky
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Sires
Slaughter
Stark
Thompson (MS)
Towns
Tsongas
Velázquez
Waters
Watson
Waxman
Wexler
Woolsey
PrototypeOne on September 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Awesome version!
Christien on September 17, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Cutting and pasting from an earlier post, sorry:
Here are the nay votes. I’m sure most of you could recite them from memory by now, it is precisely who you think it would be. Best part is they are SOOOOOOO defensive about ACORN that they voted AGAINST relieving American students from excessive debt burdens from their student loans…. un-f’ing-believable:
Baldwin
Becerra
Brady (PA)
Brown, Corrine
Butterfield
Capuano
Carson (IN)
Castor (FL)
Cleaver
Clyburn
Crowley
Cummings
Davis (IL)
DeGette
Delahunt
Doyle
Edwards (MD)
Ellison
Engel
Fattah
Filner
Fudge
Green, Al
Grijalva
Hinchey Hirono
Holt
Honda
Jackson (IL)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E. B.
Kilpatrick (MI)
Kucinich
Larsen (WA)
Lee (CA)
Lewis (GA)
Lynch
Markey (MA)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
Meeks (NY)
Mollohan
Moore (WI)
Moran (VA)
Nadler (NY)
Neal (MA)
Olver
Pallone
Pascrell Payne
Polis (CO)
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sánchez, Linda T.
Schakowsky
Scott (GA)
Scott (VA)
Serrano
Sherman
Sires
Slaughter
Stark
Thompson (MS)
Towns
Tsongas
Velázquez
Waters
Watson
Waxman
Wexler
Woolsey
We have to hammer each of those folks MERCILESSLY, and they did it all to themselves. Write each of them and ask why is protecting ACORN’s federal dole so much more important than helping American kids who are struggling to pay for college?
They obviously voted on reflex without considering exactly what they were voting AGAINST. If they thought the midterms were looking bad before…
Khorum on September 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM
You have just got to be kidding me that the education department is going to become a $92bn/year lender. They couldn’t organize a piss-up in a pub.
Government needs to get out of the wealth-transfer business for many reasons, not the least of which is that wealth transferred out is always considerably less than wealth transferred in. This is going to be a gigantic SNAFU, just wait for it.
mr.blacksheep on September 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM
My burgeoning conspiracy theory gets bigger.
T.D.D. on September 17, 2009 at 3:38 PM
Think of it as encouraging “competition”. Like when the US took over “flood insurance” to encourage “competition”. Even though the program is now carries a 19.2 BILLION deficit. No worries. ObamaCare will encourage “competition”.
Want to bet that future “student loans” will be based on those who “DESERVE THEM”.
Yeah, I know, I’m a RACIST for even bringing it up
GarandFan on September 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
someone linked to a 29 May 2008 story by Kurtz at NRO.
ted c on September 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Look at those names. They don’t surprise me. We’ve got some real scum and deviants in there.
Jeff from WI on September 17, 2009 at 3:39 PM
As it is we have a unique opportunity: practically the ENTIRE progressive caucus voted against a bill designed to help American kids through College—NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN VOTED NO—while charlatans like Rangel, Ellison, Jesse Jackson Jr. ALL voted in a spectacularly transparent attempt to protect a criminal organization!
Khorum on September 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
You really cleared this up for me. I was worried that this would come back and haunt us because of nationalizing student loans. That would give the dems the opportunity to say “you want to nationalize student loans but not health care”. However it kills those dems who voted against our children’s future.
Got it.
milwife88 on September 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
President Barack Obama;
Called THE SENATOR FROM ACORN
18 Months ago….Howard Kurtz, NRO
ted c on September 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Was this the vote on the amendment or on the whole bill?
UnderstandingisPower on September 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM
O’Keefe’s San Berdoo video #3 had a header that read: Alinsky Rule #8: “Keep the pressure on… with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”
They’ve got more videos, but say that they’re giving them a rest for the moment…
What “different tactics and actions” do we get to see in the next few days?
And — especially if your congresscritter is one of the 75 that voted against — write ‘em! They’re skeptical of polls, they get tongue-bathed by lobbyists, they live in the Washington bubble…..and for every email and/or letter they get from a constituent, they know there’s another 50 that couldn’t be bothered to write. Plus, there’s someone out in their district grumbling to friends and neighbors.
cthulhu on September 17, 2009 at 3:41 PM
I also want to add I am not for nationalizing student loans. If you think the paperwork is bad now just wait.
milwife88 on September 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM
Same with Jackson Lee from Houston. I have no doubts that a lot of liberals relied on ACORNS help, to keep them in office.
Hoyer voted yay looks like he knows which way the political winds are blowing.
Dr Evil on September 17, 2009 at 3:14 PM
capejasmine on September 17, 2009 at 3:42 PM
They will probably all carry the story but most will spin it as right wing racism.
farright on September 17, 2009 at 3:44 PM
Which schools will be promoted? Punished?
Which students will be awarded loans? Ignored?
hmmm…
faraway on September 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Just wait until they vote to seize your private pensions and 401K.
Dave R. on September 17, 2009 at 3:46 PM
I’m curious as to how this bill would affect current student loans.
Enoxo on September 17, 2009 at 3:48 PM
He’s NOT going on Fox News, the only “news outlet” willing to ask him tough questions. So he will get the standard MSM questions about how sexy he (or Michelle) is in Speedos, and Chris Matthews will O’gasm on his leg. Maybe that’s why the show is called Hardball…
Only Fox will hunt squirrels who hide ACORNs. The others are just nuts about Obama.
Steve Z on September 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Here’s the website of the USDOJ. I recommend that we call and demand an investigation. http://www.usdoj.gov/contact-us.html The phone number is 202-353-1555. I called & emailed already. It takes only a couple of minutes! It’s at least something that we can all do.
sargentj on September 17, 2009 at 3:50 PM
We need more of this thinking things through stuff, but I suppose it’s not the most interesting posts to read. Perhaps, we can back to the birther issue.
But seriously, I find thoughtful opinions the most interesting. If I had to say that education has a purpose, it would be to encourage people to think through what they believe.
thuja on September 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Maybe this is what John meant when he wrote “None would be able to buy or sell unless he had the mark…”
Dirty Creature on September 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Khorum on September 17, 2009 at 3:34 PM
very good take sir but alas I don’t think the repubs are nearly nimble enough and under both scenarios the senate will have it’s way.
Also notice that Pelosi’s name is not anywhere on the roll? Not for, against, present or absent. Perfect.
DanMan on September 17, 2009 at 3:52 PM
Noone here is for the nationalization of any industry. I doubt any of the house republicans had any firm support for regulating and expanding sallie mae’s space. But even the staunchest hayekian/friedman voices in congress (Paul Ryan etc) voted FOR this bill because it does take serious steps against PREDATORY lending behavior of the sort that harms kids struggling right after graduation.
Likewise, I don’t think anyone doubts it will be anything other than a bureaucratic disaster once implemented.
But the unspoken reality about escalating college tuition costs goes back to something Republicans won’t ever assail: the MGIB. The GI Bill has behaved exactly like a keynesian price control on university tuitions since it was implemented in the early 50s, and noone has ever had the political will to do anything about it. I can’t even really bring myself to criticize it too strenuously.
Khorum on September 17, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Yeah this really strikes me as a CYA type of setup. One side can say they voted for this to cut funding to ACORN and the other can talk about federalizing student loans. Of all the damn bills to put this in, why did they put it in something like this? Are the votes that people are posting for the amendment or the bill itself? Did Ron Paul vote present? I don’t see how he could vote for it based on the education portion. This seems like a real screw over, ACORN won’t be indicted and the feds get more control of education.
LevStrauss on September 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM
WHO WERE THE 75?!?!
Orange Doorhinge on September 17, 2009 at 3:59 PM
It is time to consider what we can offer the youth of this Nation that have skills. Screw college anyway except for a few areas,I am hard pressed beyond medicine, what the hell have we gotten out of yale, harvad,that ilk. We have some of the least educated young people in history,math, reading I have ever seen. Give me a bunch of smart kids and we will go to the moon without one solid mail order PHD.
The Wright brothers,John Moses Browning, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison. Not grads of yale or harvard, nope the man on the shop floor built this great nation and if the youth do not get brainwashed past 12 Th grade great.We have hundreds of kids in school doing webmastery, I need a good salesman,mechnic,plumber,not a web master.
In WW2 Rolls Royce sent the Merlin spitfire engine to Packard. The shop doubled the HP, made it more reliable than the English version, and we churned out 15000 of these baby’s. America,The USA will overcome this BS in court and on our terms on the ground.
Col.John Wm. Reed on September 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
That is my main worry. Children of parents who belong to objectionable political affiliations will not be granted loans, while children of the progressives, will get a free ride.
After all. They only want certain people educated, in a certain way. *sigh*
capejasmine on September 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
I’m confused, why is everyone negative-nancying?
Republicans tricked Democrats into voting for an amendment to defund ACORN, as part of the student loan overhaul which they knew would pass regardless if they voted party line.
So the Republicans voted to defund ACORN, and then voted against the student loan bill.
Enoxo on September 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
It still has to go to the senate, and they are not in much of a mood to vote FOR anything. By the time we get done raising Hell with them it will go down!
Dont stop now people, burn those lines up and tell your senators if and when it ever comes up (which I dont know when it will) they better vote no on it.
patriotparty1 on September 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Oops. ^^;;; Read before you write, kids.
Orange Doorhinge on September 17, 2009 at 4:00 PM
Which schools will be promoted? Punished?
Which students will be awarded loans? Ignored?
hmmm…
faraway on September 17, 2009 at 3:45 PM
As for my kids and my money, they’ll go to Hillsdale College, which doesn’t accept federal money of any kind.
T.D.D. on September 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM
Thanks for fixing that for me.
Torch on September 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
What’s the matter, didn’t you always want to pay for some punk troll’s advanced degree in Useless Studies? (“But hey, I take three more classes and I can pick up a strong minor in Leftist Indoctrination!”)
Blacksmith on September 17, 2009 at 4:08 PM
I know that some will take this wrong, but does anybody but me think that the collective IQs of those ACORN people in the various videos don’t get to double digits?
orlandocajun on September 17, 2009 at 4:09 PM
And actually the defund ACORN bill will most likely be the Defund Blackwater bill. From the text that I saw it looks as though the key term is indicted, who wants to bet that ACORN gets off scot free and Blackwater ends up getting indicted?
LevStrauss on September 17, 2009 at 4:11 PM
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