Who owns the word “politico”?
posted at 10:55 am on September 16, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
According to the dictionary, the word “politico” originated almost 400 years ago, and it means “a politician.” Newspaper columnists have been especially fond of the word for decades, using it as an in-the-know slang word of sorts in discussing elected officials or candidates, sometimes shortening it even further to “pol” or “pols”. It’s no surprise that the word gets exercised in the blogosphere, and also no surprise that a journalistic enterprise would want to use it for their somewhat unconventional approach to political coverage. But does that mean that they’re the only ones who can use that word?
According to Patterico, it appears that they think so:
The College Politico has received a cease-and-desist letter from lawyers for Politico, demanding that he stop using the word “Politico” in his name — and that he give them control of his domain.
Stephen Gutkowski, the operator of the domain, has broken several stories, including one that proved that Obama=Hitler signs were being wielded by Lyndon LaRouche supporters.
Spread the word far and wide: we will not stand for such thuggish tactics. … Until this threat is withdrawn, I plan to boycott Politico, and I encourage others to do the same.
Just for the record, I’ve been through this myself, although it was much more pleasant than my friend Stephen has experienced. When I ran Captain’s Quarters, I would often refer to it as “CQ” in self-references, and when I moved to BlogTalkRadio, I called my daily show “CQ Radio.” Eventually, this caught the attention of Congressional Quarterly, which regularly uses (and trademarks) “CQ” in conjunction with its media projects. I also got the dreaded “cease and desist” from CQ, but the attorneys were mostly interested in making sure I stopped using it, not in demanding massive changes in my blog. In fact, both CQ and the attorneys treated me fairly and made it a short and friendly discussion.
That’s what seems to be missing in this transaction between Stephen and Politico. The letter from the attorneys is harsh, intimidating, and frankly greedy. They want to seize Stephen’s domain name without any compensation, and make the silly claim that “The College Politico” has infringed on “Campus Politico,” a trademark they say is “famous”. I’ve never heard of “Campus Politico,” and probably wouldn’t recognize it if I tripped over it. And I think there is probably plenty of room for more than one entity to use the word “Politico” in the political sphere, since that’s the actual dictionary definition of the word.
I understand the need to protect a trademark, and it does require vigilance to keep one. Many people don’t realize that cellophane used to be a trademark, but the owners didn’t pursue infringement adequately to keep it from passing into the language as a generic term for plastic wrap. That’s the reason companies like Xerox and Coca-Cola (“Coke”) will regularly send letters scolding people who use their trademarks as generic words.
In this case, though, Politico is being both ridiculous and a very bad neighbor in the blogosphere with this ill-considered campaign of legal intimidation against Stephen. I’d like to think that Politico just made a very poor choice of attorneys and will intervene to dial down the hostility and the ridiculous level of claims made in this dispute. We can certainly get our news elsewhere, rather than from a publication that acts like a bully in the blog spaces.
Frankly, this makes me even more grateful to the folks at Congressional Quarterly for their professional and clear-headed approach to our interaction.
Update: Thanks to Glenn Reynolds for the link, and I want to expand on his thoughts:
The blogosphere has been very good to Politico, and I think they should bear in mind the ill-will they’re incurring as a result of their heavy-handed legal tactics.
Let’s make that clear. Politico may have a valid trademark claim here (I’d question it, but I’m not an attorney), but they didn’t need to start off by issuing this particular C&D letter. Someone at the office could have attempted to negotiate with Stephen first before demanding his domain name and seizure of the site, or the attorneys could have reached out in a much more reasonable manner, as did CQ’s in our interaction. Stephen is a reasonable man, and might have been happy to reach some sort of accommodation. Instead, they jumped immediately to legal threats, which is an unfriendly manner in which to engage the blogosphere, which probably makes up most of Politico’s readership.










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“Politico”, meet “Sci Fi”.
SouthernGent on September 16, 2009 at 10:58 AM
oops
jgapinoy on September 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Barry needs to get a copyright on the phrase ‘failed presidency’ quick, or he’ll lose out on a cash cow.
Vashta.Nerada on September 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM
By that reasoning, I think I’ll get a patent on the wheel.
UltimateBob on September 16, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Wow this is a slow news day. Big Gov needs to release another video stat.
sammypants on September 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Exactly!
Come visit my new blog: CollegeHotAir.com!
mankai on September 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Hasn’t politico as a word been around longer than Politico?
Mr. Joe on September 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM
TM – Jimmy Carter
mankai on September 16, 2009 at 11:02 AM
The politico hacks are jokes…I was glad they went ahead and outed themselves during the election.
DCJeff on September 16, 2009 at 11:02 AM
With all respect, Ed…does that mean HA will stop linking to Politico until this is resolved? I counted three this morning in the headlines.
MadisonConservative on September 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM
I used to avoid College Politico links because I thought it was affiliated with Politico. When I figured out it wasn’t, I clicked the links and visited the site.
Politico blows. I’ll have almost no problem continuing to avoid them for a good cause.
myrenovations on September 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM
My mistake, two this morning.
MadisonConservative on September 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Po____o is just “punching back”.
RushBaby on September 16, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Cap’n Ed,
I wonder How Congressional Quarterly worked things out with CQ magazine (a Ham radio magazine), as both were founded in 1945?
oddball on September 16, 2009 at 11:05 AM
However could you mistake POLITICO as being conservative?
Enoxo on September 16, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Whoever “owns” the term “pundit” is going to be rich.
Attila (Pillage Idiot) on September 16, 2009 at 11:06 AM
This is interesting…
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/58929-democrats-to-go-it-alone
milwife88 on September 16, 2009 at 11:06 AM
I believe thermos and kleenex suffered the same fate.
MarkTheGreat on September 16, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Would Politico be so nasty to College Politico if college were an Obama defender/apologist?
hmmmm.
portlandon on September 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM
That is so last week. It is now “SyFy”
BobMbx on September 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer! I quote him all the time.
Monica on September 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM
The only reason I ever look at Politico is that the caricature of “Shenanigans” is pretty cute. I’m always hoping that they run an actual photo of the girl, whoever she is.
As far as content, yes – Politico blows.
UltimateBob on September 16, 2009 at 11:08 AM
That’s like saying that NASA has domain over the name Space and all other websites like space.com or spacedaily.com or MySpace.com should forfeit the use les it’s confused with the Space Agency.
Politico does not have control over the domain name of Politico, since Politico is a historical reference for Politicians.
BDU-33 on September 16, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Mandatory “Dr. Strangelove” clip (the payoff begins at 2:50)
steveegg on September 16, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Don’t forget q-tips, jello, and band aids
CookeyD on September 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Do you have to be PC to own a PC?
fourdeucer on September 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Anyone know somebody that can provide some legal help for this kid?
keepinitreal on September 16, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Back in ye olden days of the 1960s and 70s around New York City, the Columbia School of Broadcasting was able to solve their problem by just saying in their ads they were not affiliated with the Columbia Broadcasting System. A similar notice in the pages/on the web page of The College Politico should be suffice in this case as well.
jon1979 on September 16, 2009 at 11:11 AM
And frisbee, and…
Midas on September 16, 2009 at 11:12 AM
this could be fun. Barney Frank – Colossal Pervert, tm
kirkill on September 16, 2009 at 11:13 AM
As far as I can see it, “politico” itself might be a public-domain term…but the college politico is using the name for the same kind of “product/service”, that being political opinion on the web. And being the same product, it has the possibility of direct competition, and the new one benefiting from the established one’s name and reputation without compensation.
JetBoy on September 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Stop linking to them Ed. And when you do, I already refuse to click on links to useless Obama echo chambers.
Ditto for LGF. Still amazed you link to a site that supported Van Jones.
Knucklehead on September 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Frisbee is trademarked by Wham-o, that’s why the game of Ultimate, is not called “Ultimate Frisbee”. And also one reason why Discraft is the preferred 175g disc used.
kirkill on September 16, 2009 at 11:16 AM
And “kerosene” as well…
JetBoy on September 16, 2009 at 11:16 AM
I believe copyright laws are fairly specific about the way a copyrighted title appears. “Politico” with a capital “P” is not the same as lower-case “politico.”
Defending a trademark, particularly when someone’s use of the same word or phrase might cause confusion, as it likely did with the “College Politico,” makes perfect sense.
I’m sure MM’s shysters would be sending out cease-and-desist notices if someone else put up a commercial blog and called it “Hot Air 2″ or something similar. That it might be a hot-air ballooning site would be irrelevant.
This is one of the big weaknesses of the Interwebs as set up today. People want to grab whatever they can and re-use it without following the rules of copyrights and trademarks. And without paying for it.
Got no beef with Politico on this, Ed. I have run into the same situation on a smaller scale with my own professional work. People who expect to make money with their sites have snitched some of mine without paying for it.
MrScribbler on September 16, 2009 at 11:16 AM
test
scalleywag on September 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM
+1
VibrioCocci on September 16, 2009 at 11:18 AM
mankai on September 16, 2009 at 11:01 AM
HotAir Pundit and HotAir have a friendly relationship, not vindictive. Perhaps HotAir Pundit was a spin-off from Malkin, or visa versa. Regardless, “can’t we all just get along” (as Rodney King seeks to sue LA).
maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM
stick it to the Man! the Man this time being Politico
thebrokenrattle on September 16, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Isn’t John Kerry already married to her?
thomasaur on September 16, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Paging Landmark Legal to the white courtesy phone……
di butler on September 16, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Politico has a big problem here.
It looks like iRide.com, Politico’s web host owns the CampusPolitico.com domain name. But the website is not being used.
When you look at the “campus POLITICO” web page, they do not use the ™ sign anywhere. They refer to the page as “POLITICO | Campus”.
They have not indicated anywhere that they wish to copyright the CampusPolitico name.
The “TheCollegePolitico.com” domain name was created 2008-08-21.
It appears TheCollegePolitico.com may have a better case at forcing Politico.com from using the term “Campus Politico”.
faraway on September 16, 2009 at 11:23 AM
I thought you had to change the spelling (“Flyght” instead of “Flight”, etc.) to gain trademark for a common word, or use a specific font or artistic design to make-unique such a commonplace noun before a trademark was even considered by the patent & trademarks office?
Could you trademark the word “trademark”? I think not.
“Politico” is a plain old dictionary word.
No one can own it.
“Politico” needs to be p3wned.
Or needs to change their monicker to “Politiko“.
(If not “Politburo“.)
profitsbeard on September 16, 2009 at 11:24 AM
BTW: Iowahawk and JammieWearingFool abandoned the sinking ship yesterday.
Hotair is now officially the only “conservative” blog linking to the madman’s ravings.
Aristotle on September 16, 2009 at 11:25 AM
How about trademarking the word Racist?
fourdeucer on September 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I dare Politico blog to count ALL the blogs with “Politico” in their name. Why make this personal vs. just one? Are they really dreaming to own the word? Obviously, they ARE willing to sue one at a time.
Well, considering the trash that Cameron @ Politico produces, the other blogs wearing the “politico” title should set the record straight about “the” Politico’s abuse of the term “journalism”, producing their own stories from their own bias using themselves as their “anonymous insider source” in order to sell whole cloth from their Politico Egyption Sale franchise.
maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Sounds like Gutkowski needs cash. Maybe we should hit his tip jar.
DFCtomm on September 16, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Ooooooh….hair extensions!
hoosiermama on September 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Tossing out the line with a sugar-free lifesaver?
maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM
You mean like HotAirPundit, who has been linked here before (and I think is a sometimes commenter)?
Abby Adams on September 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM
It would be nice to see Steve turn the tables and force the bullies to stop confusing people with their “campus politico” section.
SarahW on September 16, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Maybe they should trademark the word pathetico, while they’re at it.
scalleywag on September 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM
This is a good reminder for anyone running a website.
Add the ™ symbol after your site name.
faraway on September 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Yeah, “Politburo” may be more appropriate.
Spiny Norman on September 16, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Trademarking an existing word is awfully difficult to do. Companies do need to protect their trademarks — besides the others mentioned, the best example is aspirin, which was a Bayer trademark at one time — but you’ll notice that in all the cited examples, the company created the word in question. I don’t think Politico can win this one.
Mr. D on September 16, 2009 at 11:32 AM
That they didn’t like The Campus Politico showing them up is the real problem.
Spiny Norman on September 16, 2009 at 11:33 AM
“Campus Politico” is the phrase in question. The single word Politico can’t be defended in a trademark case.
faraway on September 16, 2009 at 11:34 AM
You would have won had you fought this. Nobody can trademark short strings of letters used as an abbreviation — they can only trademark a graphic using those letters, and the graphic cannot be rendered via a standard font, either. A company I worked for (TRW) lost a trademark lawsuit for precisely this reason — they had used a standard font and their three-letter abbreviation as their logo. They then commissioned an artist to produce a new logo representing no known font. Whenever I’d get angry at them, I’d always think how easy it would be to produce an identical font completing the alphabet and release it into the public domain…
CQ to me has always meant Captains Quarters, because I never saw any usage of CQ for Congressional Quarterly — anyone referencing Congressional Quarterly always spelled it out.
unclesmrgol on September 16, 2009 at 11:35 AM
http://politicomafioso.blogspot.com/
http://www.blog-politico.com/
http://www.cafepolitico.us/blog/
http://summapolitico.blogspot.com/
of course the list goes on…
maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Stay away from my daughters, whoever you are.
TexasDan on September 16, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Exactly.
CQ didn’t own “CQ” they owned the design of the letters CQ. You would have won that – but it probably wasn’t worth the investment.
I had a discussion about this a few years ago with a trademark attorney.
I wanted to sell “widgets” (for example) but a company had trademarked “widgets” as their brand or whatever. He said that as long as “widgets” appropriately described the item (like “wooden desk” or “ballpoint pen” – and not a unique term like “bratz”) and didn’t try to claim it was the other item, there is no problem.
Politico has no real case here – they don’t own “politico” – now if college politico uses a similar design for their logo, they could demand that be changed.
lorien1973 on September 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM
BTW, what does Politico’s campus page have to do with college? It looks like the Obama love fest page.
faraway on September 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Vaseline
Dave R. on September 16, 2009 at 11:46 AM
politicomafioso
blog-politico
cafepolitico
summapolitico
another:
SanDiego Politico
maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Ed: This CQ thing is interesting. CQ was first used in the United Kingdom by telegraphy operators as an attention or calling all stations prefix on telegraph messages. In French, which in the official language of international postal services, the general “pay attention” call is sécurité – which in shorhand is “CQ”. Although not in use in aviation anymore (although it can be used in remote airstrips), the call is used in marine trades when ships are entering or leaving port.
The Marconi Company initiated the CQ call for radio communications in 1904 and in 1912, the International Radiotelegraph Convention adopted CQ as a general “calling all stations”. It is still used today by amateur radio stations when seeking a general contact. It can also be used to define a particular section of the amateur radio world for contacts.
It would seem to me, and I’m not an attorney nor do I play one on TV, that you had a better case legally for the use of CQ Radio, than the Congressional Quarterly has for using the abbreviation for their publications.
Teafran on September 16, 2009 at 11:54 AM
I don’t read either of them.
d1carter on September 16, 2009 at 11:57 AM
“Let me be clear…” ™
Barb Dwyer on September 16, 2009 at 11:58 AM
I say we socialize the legal system.
bloviator on September 16, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Maybe they should follow Syfy’s lead and change the spelling so they can trademark it. Maybe p0litc0.
Rocks on September 16, 2009 at 11:58 AM
Sometimes it helps to have an offbeat blog name. And with that I better not see any College JWF’s popping up or else!
JammieWearingFool on September 16, 2009 at 12:03 PM
I almost used Jammie Wearing Tool as my HotAir handle, but refrained in order to avoid confusion.
I’m just that kinda guy.
Akzed on September 16, 2009 at 12:15 PM
Jammie,
Between JWF.org (The Jacob Wetterling Foundation) and JWF Technologies (Fluids Machinery Biz), I’d go after the latter.
Deeper pockets!
profitsbeard on September 16, 2009 at 12:16 PM
But hotair will still link, and drive traffic to Politico; right?
Hmm, looking over the headlines; the answer is yes.
Well good to know that this sort of action doesn’t have any consequences here; unlike Ace or Patterico, or others who are going to quit linking Politico.
So, when the decision was made that you’d still do business with, support, and drive traffic to bullies; who makes that decision?
Is it driven from a top-down decision by MM, or is this voted on like a committee decision?
gekkobear on September 16, 2009 at 12:26 PM
That was my first thought when I read CQ.
Xerox should have let it go. Who even remembers them now?
TugboatPhil on September 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Gee. Just like the mutts who run the website.
Who’d have guessed?
pabarge on September 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM
That’s the point.
- The Cat
P.S. From what I understand, you can’t trademark common words. Microsoft ran into this when they tried to sue someone over a piece of software that used the word windows in it. You can however trademark it if it includes some type of symbol or artwork. It’s about the combination.
MirCat on September 16, 2009 at 12:32 PM
I don’t understand how this is a bad thing. In Texas, if you were to ask me for a “coke”, I’d have to ask you what kind and by that I don’t mean diet or cherry. That’s just our word for soda.
But if anyone’s benefited from this, it’s Coke. Don’t they pay large sums of money for product placement? Isn’t having their product’s name used as a generic term even greater publicity?
Esthier on September 16, 2009 at 12:43 PM
This is the point. They pay for a billboard saying, “Enjoy Coke” so you say, “Yeah, good idea” and buy a Pepsi.
- The Cat
MirCat on September 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Especially when the X-Window System (often called “X-Windows”), common on Unix systems, predated Microsoft Windows™ by a year
The Monster on September 16, 2009 at 12:54 PM
I see here that a trademark application was registered August 11, 2009 for the word “POLITICO”:
The College Politico has an orange/dark gray logo.
The Monster on September 16, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Of course that happens anyway, well, not Pepsi, almost never, but Dr. Pepper.
Either way, hearing the word “coke” over and over is exactly what they want, because even those who think of it as soda still realize it’s Coke. Sometimes when we say coke, we mean it.
Besides, this is an industry where companies made specific tastes to compete with another company’s taste. Dr. Pepper has Mr. Pibb (“dude didn’t even get his degree”), and at the store, it’s your choice, but when you go to a restaurant, they’ll only have one. Thus consumers are already taught to view them as interchangeable.
Esthier on September 16, 2009 at 1:00 PM
I hope that the New York Times doesn’t come after me for the use of the term “Jackhole Leftist Hacks“.
juanito on September 16, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I’m just a caveman.
Hendo on September 16, 2009 at 1:15 PM
I looked at Politico during the election. Awful and as biased as most other Agit Prop Media types. I never look at Politico and never click their links.
Makes you wonder why a guy like Hugh Hewitt, a big time and early supporter of blogging and bloggers, has these pigs from Politico on his show all the time now. channel-changers
james23 on September 16, 2009 at 1:27 PM
As for why Allah links to politico? hey, add it to the long list: why does allah link to
Frum
Daily Beast
Noonan
Parker
trouser-crease inspector Brooks
and on and on
james23 on September 16, 2009 at 1:29 PM
I think the Original failed president, John Adams or the three worst pre-civil war presidents, Fillmore, Pierce and Buchannan may have also got a hold on it.
Squid Shark on September 16, 2009 at 2:02 PM
James Madison is, I believe, the only president to get us invaded.
fronclynne on September 16, 2009 at 2:18 PM
The “It’s in the dictionary” argument is a little absurd. So are “hot” and “air.” So is “apple.” It doesn’t mean no one is allowed to use those words in their daily lives, but you can’t create the same kind of product and use the same name. College Politico isn’t going to win this one.
Ronnie on September 16, 2009 at 2:21 PM
I love Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer!!
PackerBronco on September 16, 2009 at 2:48 PM
maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 2:52 PM
“I called my daily show “CQ Radio.” Eventually, this caught the attention of Congressional Quarterly, which regularly uses (and trademarks) “CQ” in conjunction with its media projects.”
Ed, since you were doing a radio show, were or are you aware of the ham radio use of “CQ”?
For starters, “CQ” has a certain meaning, and might predate Congressional Quarterly.
Then there’s the magazine “CQ Amateur Radio”
Many times the past is best left undisturbed, but there’s usually a very good reason when lawyers not being paid by you act friendly to you while doing their job.
Arbalest on September 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Squid Shark on September 16, 2009 at 2:02 PM
To equate John Adams as a “failed” US President is to expose one’s own banal stupidity.
maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 2:57 PM
there’s usually a very good reason when lawyers not being paid by you act friendly to you while doing their job.
Arbalest on September 16, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Bingo
maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 2:58 PM
What’s the problem?
Tzetzes on September 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM
The Spectator is British.
Ronnie on September 16, 2009 at 3:07 PM
You know way too much about frisbees.
pugwriter on September 16, 2009 at 3:43 PM
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