Good news: Eight percent of New Jersey residents think Obama’s the Antichrist

posted at 4:40 pm on September 16, 2009 by Allahpundit

Forgive a nonbeliever his ignorance, but isn’t the Antichrist supposed to have more sinister priorities than, um, running up deficits? The seventh seal shatters, the trumpet sounds, and the beast emergeth … to pass a stimulus bill?

If it’s eight percent in Jersey, what must it be in more conservative, religious states? Fifteen?

Those are the only numbers you’ll see touted on MSNBC tonight, I assure you, but dig deeper in the crosstabs and you’ll find plenty of nuance. If the Antichrist nuttiness is yet another twisted manifestation of white racism towards Obama — which is surely how it’ll be spun — what are we to make of the breakdown by race?

The results of the birth certificate question are also interesting. Overall numbers on whether Obama was born in the U.S…

…and the numbers by race:

No statistical difference between whites and Hispanics. As for Truthers, yes, they polled that too. Overall numbers on the question of whether Bush had “advance knowledge” of 9/11 — which, alas, is ambiguously worded, since it could be understood as asking merely whether the U.S. had any intel about a plot in the works:

And the breakdown by race:

Note that the split among Democrats on Trutherism is almost a mirror image of the split among Republicans on Birtherism. Bear it in the mind the next time the media frets about fringe nuts taking over the GOP. Exit question: Were Democrats ever polled on whether Bush was the Antichrist during his presidency? He clearly was the root of all evil in the left’s cosmology, but even so, would secularists go so far as to anoint him the Biblical Master of Lies? Weigh in, liberal theologians!


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48% of Republicans are birthers, and
32% of Democrats are truthers,

Now I think these folks all have way too much time on their hands, but how does a 16-point spread between the 2 make them ‘mirror images’ of one another? That is some pretty impressive number juggling right there

dr_duke09 on September 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Thinking of this on the way home…we all know the anti-Christ is going to come from Europe…NOT Africa Indonesia Hawaii

SouthernGent on September 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Is Obama the Antichrist?

No way. The Antichrist will be competent.

tgibson1962 on September 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Ding, ding, ding. We have a thread winner!

GrannyDee on September 16, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Isn’t the anti-christ supposed to be popular?

I would think that even the Prince of Darkness would actually have a health care plan, rather than delegating it to an incompetent imp like Nancy Pelosi.

NoDonkey on September 16, 2009 at 6:19 PM

Hell I might have answered the anti-christ for shi+s and Giggles.

CWforFreedom on September 16, 2009 at 6:21 PM

I suspect those 8% are having fun with pollsters.

WannabeAnglican on September 16, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Well NJ is wrong.

We all know that Allahpundit is the antiChrist. :)

atheling on September 16, 2009 at 6:24 PM

I’m in NJ, if someone asked me if I thought ANYONE is the antichrist I might say yes just to dick around with them.

Dash on September 16, 2009 at 6:24 PM

dr_duke09 on September 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM

You need to read it again . . . the poll clearly states 33% of Republicans *are not* of the belief Obama was born in the US and 32% of Democrats *are* Truthers.

Nice try, though.

Ryan Gandy on September 16, 2009 at 6:28 PM

What’s the % of New Jersians who voted for Obama?
There’s no accountin for stupid.

catmman on September 16, 2009 at 6:18 PM

Yea… I live here. There’s stupid, then there’s Jersey stoopid.

bloviator on September 16, 2009 at 6:28 PM

He doesn’t have any truth in him. Plus, no actual believer scoffs at the Sermon on the Mount and takes Bible passages out-of-context for political gain. He doesn’t know my Lord. But it’s foolhardy to believe he is The Antichrist.

flyfisher on September 16, 2009 at 5:33 PM

Besides some clever religious professors, I’m not aware of anyone who quotes the Bible frequently who don’t utterly rape the context of Bible quotes. Just to point out the obvious, how many people who use a verse from Leviticus to condemn gay male sex pay the slightest attention to the surrounding verses? No Christians who quote it do. Or to use an example from the left, “let my people go” in Exodus 8:1 is almost always quoted without the next few words which do matter.
But it’s really worse than a few examples. I don’t know that I’ve every heard a Bible verse quoted in a political conversation that isn’t being quoted out of context. It’s as true for the left as for the right.

thuja on September 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM

Ryan Gandy,

Thanks for pointing that out. My mistake. Still think that both groups, repubs and dems have too much time on their hands.

Plus if Obama was the anti-christ, Arnold is still around to stop him before 2012 ‘End of the WORLD!’

dr_duke09 on September 16, 2009 at 6:33 PM

I thought it was widely assumed that Cheney was the Anti-Christ. That would explain why they wouldn’t poll about Bush.

pbabb on September 16, 2009 at 6:33 PM

What percentage think he’s Jesus?
AbaddonsReign on September 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM

That poll comes out tomorrow. Or you could watch MessNBC and they’ll tell you it’s 90% minus those crazy, fringe teabaggers and New Jersey.

conservative pilgrim on September 16, 2009 at 6:36 PM

thuja on September 16, 2009 at 6:32 PM

It doesn’t really even have anything to do with quoting the Bible frequently . . . I’m not sure the people who make blind references to Matthew 7:1 have picked one up in their lives.

Ryan Gandy on September 16, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Only if Omenbama ever shaves his head will we know for sure.

Maybe a reporter neeeds to shout out:

When are you going to shave your head, Mr. President!?!

~just to see the silly look on his face.

(Rahm Emmanuel does look a helluva lot like Pazzuza, to tell the truth.)

profitsbeard on September 16, 2009 at 6:38 PM

This is awesome.

Get Dan Brown on it right away.

New novel:

“The Devil’s Hope”

Sapwolf on September 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM

And, make the central character Ann Coulter.

Sapwolf on September 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM

Bush the anti-Christ? I think the correct term would have been “Satan himself.” Those numbers would have been through the roof for the Dems.

And if it was multiple choice Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Gonzales… I bet you could get to 100%!

And if you added Haliburton, well…

You might get the same numbers for Republicans if you added Rahm and ACORN…

petunia on September 16, 2009 at 6:41 PM

I suspect those 8% are having fun with pollsters.

WannabeAnglican on September 16, 2009 at 6:22 PM

They should have recorded the number of people who laughed before they answered. Cause it would be tempting to say yes wouldn’t it?

petunia on September 16, 2009 at 6:44 PM

You know what you can say about that 8% who thinks Obama is the anti-Christ?

Raaaaacist.

misterpeasea on September 16, 2009 at 6:49 PM

Forgive a nonbeliever his ignorance, but isn’t the Antichrist supposed to have more sinister priorities than, um, running up deficits? The seventh seal shatters, the trumpet sounds, and the beast emergeth … to pass a stimulus bill?

Of course, I’ll forgive your ignorance on this issue, AP. The Bible says clearly that the Antichrist (also known as the man of sin) will not be revealed until two things happen: 1) A great rebellion in the church, which I would argue is happening now, and 2) the event known as the Rapture, where the church (i.e, those who truly believe in Jesus Christ) will be removed from the earth. Obviously, that has not happened yet. Christ Himself spoke of this in Matthew 24, and Paul talks about it as well. Till then, no one knows who the Antichrist is, but, I certainly think BO is as good a candidate as any, based on what he has done and said, and based on the way he has risen to power so fast from nowhere, and based on the way the media worships him.

jdawg on September 16, 2009 at 7:04 PM

NJ politicians are so corrupt, they needed a more dramatic category for the president, so anti-christ sounded good.

The Hispanics feel that way because Obama reminds them of Castro and Chavez and hmmmm I think they have a point with that.

njpat on September 16, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Hell yeah, NJ first in the nation to losing our frikken minds.

Any litle push against Obama is gonna be good here though, Corzine was a big supporter of him and he needs to go down in Nov.

Also the guy who liked to throw around the line as “The first big city mayor to endorse Obama” is getting really muddied in the Jersey City Organs for Ordinances probe.

Rbastid on September 16, 2009 at 7:23 PM

ha ha ha more proof of the brilliance of religion

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:24 PM

ha ha ha more proof of the brilliance of religion

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Davey you never answered….if you are a grown man why do you have to have government there to wipe your arse?

CWforFreedom on September 16, 2009 at 7:27 PM

Nero was the Anti-Christ.

In every generation there is an AntiChrist.
The person antiChrist is a world leader who is the opposite of Christ in every way: i.e. someone who uses all their energies for evil, as opposed to a Christian(who uses all their energies in aligning with the Divine and Uncreated Energies of God).

The book of Apocalypse is mainly a coded book with references to Christians living in the world and their interactions with the world.

Also..another definition of AntiChrist is anyone who, under the influence of the antiChrist spirit, denies the Divinity of Jesus Christ the Incarnate God.

AP here is evidently an antiChrist(someone who is under the influence of or in bondage to, the AntiChrist spirit).

As for the Rapture..that is a 19th century “innovation” by heretical protestant Christians and has no basis in Truth or the Holy Tradition of the Orthodox Church which was established by Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

MaximusConfessor on September 16, 2009 at 7:34 PM

You act as if he’s not. I thought the figure would be much higher.

jwp1964 on September 16, 2009 at 7:41 PM

ha ha ha more proof of the brilliance of religion

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Davey you never answered….if you are a grown man why do you have to have government there to wipe your arse?

CWforFreedom on September 16, 2009 at 7:27 PM
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You’re one of those people who thinks there’s actually a devil, aren’t you.

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:43 PM

MaximusConfessor on September 16, 2009 at 7:34 PM

Umm, you just keep right on believing that. I’m not going to get into a debate on theology, especially here. All I’ll say is I hope you’re saved. If you are, I’ll explain it to you on the way up. If not, well, you’ll have a long and hard seven years to rethink your opinion.

Look at the situation the world is in, observe the middle east, especially Iran, Russia, and the ties they have, with Iran seeking a nuclear weapon and thier desire to destroy Israel. Then real Ezekiel 38 and 39. Do your homework. Enjoy.

jdawg on September 16, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Nero was the Anti-Christ.

In every generation there is an AntiChrist.
The person antiChrist is a world leader who is the opposite of Christ in every way: i.e. someone who uses all their energies for evil, as opposed to a Christian(who uses all their energies in aligning with the Divine and Uncreated Energies of God).

The book of Apocalypse is mainly a coded book with references to Christians living in the world and their interactions with the world.

Also..another definition of AntiChrist is anyone who, under the influence of the antiChrist spirit, denies the Divinity of Jesus Christ the Incarnate God.

AP here is evidently an antiChrist(someone who is under the influence of or in bondage to, the AntiChrist spirit).

As for the Rapture..that is a 19th century “innovation” by heretical protestant Christians and has no basis in Truth or the Holy Tradition of the Orthodox Church which was established by Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

MaximusConfessor on September 16, 2009 at 7:34 PM
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Ha ha ha ha and alllllllllllll those billions of other people on the planet have been wasting their time betting on the wrong horse for thousands of years. That really sucks for them. But you must be so relieved to have been born into your awesome religion.

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:45 PM

ha ha ha more proof of the brilliance of religion

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:24 PM

You sound nervous.

viking01 on September 16, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Look at the situation the world is in, observe the middle east, especially Iran, Russia, and the ties they have, with Iran seeking a nuclear weapon and thier desire to destroy Israel.

The Orthodox Church is Israel. This is 100% clear in the Holy Scriptures.

The Orthodox Church has never been nor ever will be destroyed.

MaximusConfessor on September 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM

The Orthodox Church has never been nor ever will be destroyed. MaximusConfessor on September 16, 2009 at 7:55 PM

Is it still beign run by the KGB?

Akzed on September 16, 2009 at 8:05 PM

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Yo drywall, there’s a real dearth of trolls on the ACORN child sex slave facilitation threads. You could have them all to yourself, trollwise.

Akzed on September 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM

Ha ha ha ha and alllllllllllll those billions of other people on the planet have been wasting their time betting on the wrong horse for thousands of years.

Even though you are infected with Relativist thinking, it does nothing to change the Truth.

Christ went to Hades,preached to them and brought them with Him to paradise. No one has any excuse to deny the Truth of Jesus Christ’s Divinity.

MaximusConfessor on September 16, 2009 at 8:09 PM

I read this poll earlier today at Public Policy Polling’s blog and checked out the internals.

What I noticed is that the “anti-christ” believers were predominantly in the 18-29 year old age group.

I don’t know what that means? Are young people voting for Obama because they want the anti-christ? Are young people in the 609 area code of New Jersey fundamentalist Christians? OR??

Do young people get this question on a robo-call poll and think it is just silly?

In fact, would this account for the number of truthers, birthers, and now anti-christers showing up? Are 18-29 year olds used to being punked and just think it is all too funny so they press the answer that will get a rise?

Just a thought.

Greyledge Gal on September 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Dave are you a man? Y or N . the question is quite simple. We both know you are a little boy who needs to rely on government. When you mature let me know.

CWforFreedom on September 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Don’t know about him being the antiChrist, but he is definitely the father of LIES!

ZeeMI on September 16, 2009 at 8:41 PM

The anti-Christ is not some sort of super intelligent devil. The anti-Christ is merely a figure who, unbeknown to him, will play the major role in bring about the end of the world. Since the US president is the most influential man in the world, it will most likely be him. Obama, more by accident of history, than by any design, might be that man.

keep the change on September 16, 2009 at 8:42 PM

In all fairness, it IS Jersey.

Ask that question in a couple of years and 40% will probably say John Tavares is.

SuperCool on September 16, 2009 at 9:01 PM

People interpret this issue of the man of sin, and the Book of Revelation, in various ways depending upon their view of the end-times. Each of the views has problems, no matter what experts on each of the various sides say. However, we basically can state that the man of sin has a connection to the City of Seven Hills (Rome). Obviously Obama does not fit that qualification. Doesn’t mean he can’t do a lot of damage to the United States and the world in general, but that does not make him the man of sin.

MeAlice on September 16, 2009 at 9:41 PM

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:45 PM

Yo drywall, there’s a real dearth of trolls on the ACORN child sex slave facilitation threads. You could have them all to yourself, trollwise.

Akzed on September 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM
——-
Dear dumbass:

I hate ACORN. Always have.

Bye bye now.

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 9:51 PM

Ha ha ha ha and alllllllllllll those billions of other people on the planet have been wasting their time betting on the wrong horse for thousands of years.

Even though you are infected with Relativist thinking, it does nothing to change the Truth.

Christ went to Hades,preached to them and brought them with Him to paradise. No one has any excuse to deny the Truth of Jesus Christ’s Divinity.

MaximusConfessor on September 16, 2009 at 8:09 PM
——
So people who never heard of God go to hell right? I mean, according to you, they have no excuse. And all those people who follow other religions are in hell to, right? They have no excuse either.

How awesomely arrogant of you.

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 9:54 PM

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 7:43 PM

Dave are you a man? Y or N . the question is quite simple. We both know you are a little boy who needs to rely on government. When you mature let me know.

CWforFreedom on September 16, 2009 at 8:30 PM
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Apparently you don’t have the slightest clue what a government actually does.

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 9:55 PM

The anti-Christ is not some sort of super intelligent devil. The anti-Christ is merely a figure who, unbeknown to him, will play the major role in bring about the end of the world. Since the US president is the most influential man in the world, it will most likely be him. Obama, more by accident of history, than by any design, might be that man.

keep the change on September 16, 2009 at 8:42 PM
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The end of the world? Are we hurtling into the sun? Plague? Killer bees? Ooooh! Can’t wait.

Dave Rywall on September 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM

Living in Jersey, I can attest that I have heard someone in this state say “Bush is the antichrist. No, wait, Bush sucks, but Cheney’s worse, so Cheney’s got to be it. Aw, f—, can’t they both qualify?” I’ve also heard a couple of (different) people recently wonder aloud about Obama.

I’m not surprised with the 8% number. Keep in mind that, although we’re a blue state, we’re not as reliably blue as some of our neighbors up here. Here’s hoping Chris Christie can hold on for a couple more months to election day!

I would be curious to see what it’s like where I grew up, Tennessee. Growing up, I heard people who thought that about Clinton, and he turned out to have a weakness for sins of the flesh but not much else substantive.

flutejpl on September 16, 2009 at 10:02 PM

where are those special knives from the Omen?

paulsur on September 16, 2009 at 10:21 PM

NERO is 666 in HEBREW, its who Paul was referring to

the Beast is the Roman Empire

jp on September 16, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Actually, John wrote the book of Revelation. I’ve never heard the Nero reference, interesting.

citrus on September 16, 2009 at 10:35 PM

If you actually believed Obama was the Antichrist, and he was in charge of your nation…wouldn’t you…you know, freak out?

“Oh, yeah, he is the Antichrist, now excuse me while I drive my kids to soccer practice.”

What the hell?

I sure hope this poll is isolated to New Jersey, yet, as we will soon find out with more polls (they or another group will obviously expand it), it’s not.

What the hell is wrong with these people (Birthers, Antichristers, truthers, etc)?

DanStark on September 16, 2009 at 10:37 PM

where are those special knives from the Omen?

paulsur on September 16, 2009 at 10:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hGJ5mk9Wgk

njpat on September 16, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I’m from NJ and I find it unbelievable that so many here think he is the AntiChrist. I can’t stand the man and I don’t think that. So who are these people?

And besides the 8% that think he is the AntiChrist, what’s with the 13% who aren’t sure? lol

Elisa on September 16, 2009 at 10:50 PM

Why is this a post?
8% of the population is nothing.

balkanmom2 on September 17, 2009 at 3:14 AM

lol…you know mainstream conservatives are really starting to annoy me. 8% is that all. hell we want the entire country to think Obama is the antichrist. Instead pundits piss themselves about this instead of embracing it. You think the left would worry about this if it was Bush? hell no they would take a front page ad out touting it. Make a week of stories about it. wondering if maybe he really is the antichrist. By the time the left got done. 25% of the population would think Bush was not only the anticrist but satan himself. and what do we do? Our pundits whine about it. good grief. grow a pair or two

unseen on September 17, 2009 at 5:55 AM

In an age of Weekly World News and National Enquirer, you can find eight percent of the population who believe in darned near anything. Hell, I believe in UFO’s (because I’ve seen them). I have no clue from where they came, but just believing is nutty enough I suppose. Most of us still function in society, so I’m not too worried about that small chunk of New Jersey. The real question is how many of that eight percent actually plan to do something about it. I’m guessing zero.

SKYFOX on September 17, 2009 at 7:59 AM

The supposition will be that those stupid conservative rightvwing extremist religious zealots are tainting a generally good chance of taking Obama down on the merits. Problem is it also ASSUMES that the people polled 1. have read the bible, 2. understand it and 3. are, in fact, religious at all.

Sultry Beauty on September 17, 2009 at 8:25 AM

Obama can’t be the Antichrist; he doesn’t have enough experience.

Kralizec on September 17, 2009 at 8:35 AM

Well, if the shoe fits…!

Seriously, have you never noticed that in any poll a few percent will take any position however bizarre? I´m sure a few percent would find Obama “too rightwing”, “a female” or “white”.

el gordo on September 17, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Polls in general are about as reliable as our Federal Government these days. Completely purposeless and unreliable.

Griz on September 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM

NERO is 666 in HEBREW, its who Paul was referring to

the Beast is the Roman Empire

jp on September 16, 2009 at 5:57 PM

Ok so the book of Revelation is past tense? Ha! I don’t remember Nero using a mark on the forehead or hand in order to buy and sell. Interesting that that technology is only coming about in the 21st century. Not saying Obama is THE AntiChrist but I am convinced he is against Christ and that the true AntiChrist is not far behind. The prophecies are all lining up — Israel, technology, information/knowledge, all the world able to see one event in the world simultaneously, America withdrawing support for Israel (so that all countries are against him), etc. Laugh if you want, but they were laughing when Noah was building the ark. And Jesus said as the days of Noah so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Christian Conservative on September 17, 2009 at 11:24 AM

In Obama-Care:
End of life “death panels” are “Government Controlled Genocide” and anyway presented, is evil!

byteshredder on September 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM

Seriously, have you never noticed that in any poll a few percent will take any position however bizarre? I´m sure a few percent would find Obama “too rightwing”, “a female” or “white”.

el gordo on September 17, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Totally agree. This really isn’t news.

balkanmom2 on September 17, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I vote for Pelosi. I thought I saw her head spinning 360 degrees today.

bigjack on September 17, 2009 at 12:52 PM

My favorite part are the “don’t know” respondents. Q: “Is the President the Anti-Christ?” A: “I, uh, I…I don’t know.”

allstonian on September 17, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Anti-Christ, I don’t know…Communist, without a doubt…

adamsmith on September 17, 2009 at 2:13 PM

48% of Republicans are birthers, and
32% of Democrats are truthers,
Now I think these folks all have way too much time on their hands, but how does a 16-point spread between the 2 make them ‘mirror images’ of one another? That is some pretty impressive number juggling right there
dr_duke09 on September 16, 2009

Dr duke ya might wanta invest in a reading comprehension class.

The statement

Note that the split among Democrats on Trutherism is almost a mirror image of the split among Republicans on Birtherism.

Dr D. this is a split on 2 different categories.
The 2 categories.

Democrats on Birtherism.
Republicans on Trutherism.

See how that works?

Now the split

Democrats on Birtherism is an 80% to 9% split with 80% believe Obama was born in the USA.

Republicans on Trutherism is an 85% to 11% split with 80% do not believe Bush “did” 9/11

Does that help?

DSchoen on September 17, 2009 at 3:40 PM

Did anyone think Bush was the Antichrist? Yes

A few years back I saw this show on one of the geek channels a program about Nostradamus and the antichrist.

The claim was the antichrist would be named MABUS and this name was a combination of Bush and Osama, seriously, I’m not making this up.

I fully expect that for the next 3 years we will here how OBAMA is actually MABUS, if ya shuffle the letters around and selectively use the Bacon cypher it works!

Ture, if use shuffle the letters of any name and selectively cypher it works!

However, neither Bush nor Obama are competent so they do not meet the requirement as the antichrist.

DSchoen on September 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM

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