Rasmussen: Speech bump over, ObamaCare support drops again

posted at 12:15 pm on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama hoped to use a prime-time speech to the joint session of Congress to change the momentum for ObamaCare.  Initially, Obama seemed to get a bump inside the Beltway, with fence-sitter Sen. Ben Nelson (D-NE) calling it a “game changer.”  Even Rasmussen detected a shift in support initially, both for Obama and his health-care system overhaul.  However, six days later, Rasmussen now says it wasn’t even a nine-day wonder (via HA reader Geoff A):

Following President Obama’s speech to Congress last week, support for his health care reform plan increased steadily to a peak of 51% yesterday. However, the bounce appears to be over. The latest daily tracking shows that support has fallen all the way back to pre-speech levels.

Forty-five percent (45%) of all voters nationwide now favor the plan while 52% are opposed. A week ago, 44% supported the proposal and 53% were opposed…

The latest figures show that 23% Strongly Favor the plan and 41% are Strongly Opposed. In late August, 23% were strongly in favor of the plan and 43% were strongly opposed.

Following the speech, support climbed from 44% to 51% over the weekend.  That came crashing down in a hurry yesterday, losing six points in a day and recreating a seven-point gap between opposition and support, 52%-45% respectively.

The crosstabs appear to have returned to status quo ante.  Independents oppose the ObamaCare plan by a large majority, 58%-38%, and that will make the difference for wavering members of Congress.  Majorities of both men and women oppose it again, with 41% of both strongly opposing it.  To no one’s surprise, seniors oppose it 53%-42%, but perhaps in a big surprise, young voters oppose it even more, 54%-40%.  The only age demographic supporting right now are thirtysomethings, 53%-46%.

USA Today notes that Obama’s overall numbers didn’t move, either:

The findings underscore the steep climb ahead for the White House in trying to push a health care plan through the House and Senate during the next few weeks. Some major provisions, including how to pay for it and whether to include a government-run plan as an option, haven’t been settled.

The president’s speech apparently failed to galvanize public opinion in the way the White House had hoped. While it drew a national television audience estimated by Nielsen at more than 32 million people, there’s little evidence in the survey that it changed minds.

Obama’s approval rating is 54%, the same as in two USA TODAY polls in August; 43% disapprove, the highest of his presidency.

The problem for Obama is that this was about the last arrow in the quiver.  He has tried using the same message in every other kind of venue — press conferences, town halls, interviews — and it’s not moving the needle.  People have tired of hearing Obama offering the same arguments over and over again, differing only in the tone, which has gotten more strident and less pleasant over the last few weeks.  He’s not just squandering his credibility, but also his considerable personal charm on the stump, and it’s not buying him any votes.

What’s next?  Either ObamaCare has to change, or Obama has to change.  Thus far, Obama has given no real hint that either will.


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What’s next?

- 5 Sunday morning talk show appearences
- Sunday night football halftime with 5 second satellite delay?
- American Idol judge?
- Jay Leno show?
- Guest Appearence on Sponge Bob?
- Hidden video of himself in an ACORN office?

WashJeff on September 15, 2009 at 12:24 PM

All Obama. All the time. An Obamacare Telethon? At the White House, they may be calling it Operation O-Saturation.

BuckeyeSam on September 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM

So what trick is he going to use the next time he wants the networks to empty their schedule for him?

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM

His teleprompter will threaten to have a text tantrum.

Geochelone on September 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM

The Amateur in Chief and his administration of Clinton retreads and Chicago thug politicians are epic fails – as we knew they would be. I am soooo pissed at the idiots who voted this crap into office. That includes Frum, Parker, Noonan, and all the others. I don’t want to hear ANYTHING from them! Just shut the hell up and go away – you’ve done enough damage to us already.

KickandSwimMom on September 15, 2009 at 12:30 PM

hmm, although I swallowed hard and voted for McCain, I’m almost glad Obama won now. Most of the crap that’s being pulled now in Congress would be pulled anyway and McCain would have capitulated, as always. At least with the trifecta from hell, there’s a chance to bury socialized medicine and progressive policies for a generation.

It’s game over, anyways. Fed’s been trying to stop deflation since end of last year. Didn’t work. Game over.

lorien1973 on September 15, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Not sure about deflation but the dollar appears to be on a one-way spiral. As Keynes noted, quoting Lenin:

“Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalistic System was to debauch the currency… Lenin was certainly right. There is no subtler, no surer means of overturning the existing basis of society than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and does it in a manner which not one man in a million can diagnose.”

hmmmmmmm…..

Firefly_76 on September 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

How the hell did it drop that much over night?

He really must have sucked Sunday.

Chuck Schick on September 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Americans don’t like cowards. It didn’t get ridiculed much, but Obama’s sprinting out of DC to Minnesota just as Tea Partiers arrived on Saturday and then sprinting back just as Tea Partiers departed on Saturday.

Sheer gutlessness.

BuckeyeSam on September 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Obama is on TV right now talking to the AFL-CIO.

He talks completely different when talking in front of them compared to his speech to Congress.

He is such a joke.

Joe Caps on September 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

What’s next? … some sort of national emergency.
katy on September 15, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Well katy, it’s already happening. Obama is newly using high unemployment to game his plan, and he’ll be seeing to it that it continues to rise.

Soooooo many people every day losing their jobs and their health care insurance. They will have nowhere to turn but Big Government (and I don’t mean the website).

marybel on September 15, 2009 at 1:28 PM

The ObamaCare is done folks.

Now … There may be a bill come out of all this and it might get passed – but it’s not going to be anything really threatening. Democrats can say they’ll go it alone and go with the 51 vote nuke option – but they don’t even have the votes for that. Sooo … Whatever happens has to be extremely watered down.

And … While Obama is trying to figure out how to revive this all he’s still has the problem of US – we who oppose him and will continue to point out the falacies in his plan. Having lost his credibility – he now can’t convince Americans that he’s right because – he’s wrong. No Credibility + No Facts + No Truth = OBAMAFAIL

The media didn’t cover the 912 protest in D.C. Doesn’t matter – the politicians KNOW how many people showed up there. Doesn’t matter if those people are called racists. Doesn’t matter if they ARE racist – they are still all voters, and pissed off ones at that.

Ogabe now has the ball in his court. He’s squandered his presidency – and in less than nine months. He has a choice – he can settle into the center and attempt to live up to the promises of bi-partisanship that he promised …

Or he can go the Hugo Chavez route.

I almost hope he takes the latter route – it would lead to a rebirth of liberty in the United States – what has transpired thus far in the tea party movment certainly has moved things back in the direction the founders intended.

We need to keep moving in that direction.

HondaV65 on September 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

So what trick is he going to use the next time he wants the networks to empty their schedule for him?

Cindy Munford on September 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM

His teleprompter will threaten to have a text tantrum.

Geochelone on September 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM

Either I’m real tired, or the quips are of a higher quality today…LOL

Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

They should have shoved it through yesterday………

Vashta.Nerada on September 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM

Best news I’ve heard in a while. It’s a beautiful day.

alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Now … There may be a bill come out of all this and it might get passed – but it’s not going to be anything really threatening.
HondaV65 on September 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Sorry to disagree, but anything Barry puts his hands on is threatening.

Knucklehead on September 15, 2009 at 1:38 PM

decending notes on a trombone…waaah, waaah, waaaaaaaaaah.

LtE126 on September 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM

Interesting… a woman just interruppted obama speaking by yelling “I love you” and he laughed it off and yelled “I love you too, sister.”

Will she ben censured?

now he’s talking about that “scrappy kid from scranton pa”

Joe Caps on September 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM

be*

Joe Caps on September 15, 2009 at 1:41 PM

What’s next?

Bake sale?

Good Lt on September 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

The big 0 had the momentum initially coming out of his speech to the joint session of congress. And… he might probably have held onto that momentum had the media not overplayed the Wilson “you lie” piece. This little episode has people who are not in the know wondering what Wilson knows that others don’t. Enough of a doubt now exists that people are starting to wonder. And so, as the dust settles and the big 0 finds himself back in the dumper.

glennbo on September 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM

My kids play WOW and my oldest said that on the boards many are complaining about being forced to buy insurance or be fined. So it really isn’t surprising that the younger demographic is primarily against it.

Rose on September 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Barry’s a political hack. A corrupt lying political hack.

Griz on September 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM

he laughed it off and yelled “I love you too, sister.”

Are you sure he didn’t say: “I love me too, sister”

jeanie on September 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I just got back from running an errand and was flipping through the channels, and what did I hear? Another speech from Obama.

I bet his poll numbers would go up if he just went back to his office and got some work done. People are tired of listening to him and seeing him on tv.

texasconserv on September 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Just out, Obama will be on Letterman on 9/21 taking up the entire show by himself.

tatersalad on September 15, 2009 at 2:05 PM

I just received an email from my Representative, who is also an MD. Here are some excerpts:

Health Care: Alternative Legislation in the House

Furthermore, the President delivered what the Washington Post referred to as a “campaign-style speech” to thousands of union members last Monday. In this speech, the President attacked critics of health care legislation – H.R. 3200 – claiming they did not have an alternative plan:

“I’ve got a question for all those folks: What are you going to do? What’s your answer? What’s your solution?

“And you know what? They don’t have one,” Obama said.

Quite frankly, this is just flat wrong. As a critic of H.R. 3200 and someone who is very interested in implementing legislation that will help- not hurt the American people – I have joined with other members of Congress to propose an alternative plan – H.R. 3400, the Empowering Patients First Act.

H.R. 3400 Gives Full Access to Coverage

First, we need to make health insurance more affordable. Where some believe federal mandates and centralized control is the answer to contain costs, we believe there’s a better approach. As cost is the biggest barrier to coverage, H.R. 3400 offers tax credits and deductions, which are advanceable and on a sliding scale, so the less wealthy and those without employer-provided plans will be able to purchase coverage.

A true market for Americans to purchase this personal private coverage, however, does not currently exist. The Empowering Patients First Act achieves this by allowing all Americans to use pre-tax dollars to buy coverage on the open market, leveling the playing field with employer-provided care that already receives this benefit. In addition, to provide Americans greater purchasing power, the legislation allows small businesses and other groups to pool together to increase their purchasing power so that people can come together freely to drive down prices. These pools will provide a place for those with pre-existing conditions to find coverage at an affordable price. And there is the opportunity to purchase health insurance across state lines, which is currently barred.

Finally, we cannot fully bring down costs without addressing the runaway medical liability crisis. From exorbitant malpractice insurance premiums to the remarkably expensive practice of defensive medicine, it is my experience that the current culture of litigation costs patients hundreds of billions of dollars. These costs do nothing to provide better care, but rather serve only as a defense against unyielding personal injury lawyers. H.R. 3400 tackles this problem with the creation of new health courts that trust the expert opinions of medical professionals. When malpractice suits are brought through specialized courts and viewed through the perspective of medically appropriate care, rather than a lottery mentality, we will see a decline in frivolous lawsuits and the need for costly defensive medicine.

ladyingray on September 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

Diminishing marginal returns.

Count to 10 on September 15, 2009 at 2:17 PM

I see things playing out in the White House like this.

BKeyser on September 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM

Too much credit has been given to obama for being an energetic, intelligent leader. He’s none of that.

He’s simply a socialist liberal fascist orator and puppet for the Soros scumbags that want to enslave this nation.

I think everyone that enjoys even a modicum of freedom ought to be incensed with him and his plans for this country. ESPECIALLY the black people of America, who clearly still have raw memories of what it was like to have slavery rule. How blacks can support this piece of crap just based on his color is really depressing. He’s hurting them far more than they can ever imagine.

Spiritk9 on September 15, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Obama has given the same speech on health care some many different times that I am starting to recite it in my sleep at night. I usually wake up in a cold sweat after this occurs.

Bru on September 15, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Gateway Pundit has this link to Fred Bauer “Measures Of Constroversy”:

In 2009, health-care reform remains far more controversial and and unpopular than initiating military operations in Iraq was in 2002. Here are some sample Gallup numbers…

W-O-W-B-E-Y-H
Why Obama, what big ears you have!
/cut to the chase/ The better to EAT you with, my dear.

maverick muse on September 15, 2009 at 2:36 PM

it’ll help mask the squealing squirrel cage of leftie ideological insanity that must be the background movie that plays in a nonstop loop in his socialist brain.

Itchee Dryback on September 15, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Wunderbar!

tigerlily on September 15, 2009 at 2:51 PM

“The cake is a lie!”

And so was the bump. The “bump” was manufactured by the MSM to try and drive public opinion. No one was buying the speech and no one is buying the poll.

yenober on September 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM

I’ve got an idea! I’ll give another speech in prime time! That’ll change opinions!

/Obama

Isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result?

crazy_legs on September 15, 2009 at 3:06 PM

52% are opposed.
41% are Strongly Opposed.
What’s next?

Nacht der langen Messer.

csdeven on September 15, 2009 at 3:07 PM

I think they know they got no bounce out of it. Which is why they are retreating to the last refuge: RAAAAAAAAAACISM!

wildcat84 on September 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM

Obama is the perfect Liberal.

His policy (making speeches) is failing miserably, so his answer is to do it more and more.

29Victor on September 15, 2009 at 3:18 PM

Obama CAN NOT CHANGE. Obama does not fail the people, the people fail Obama.

GarandFan on September 15, 2009 at 3:26 PM

Told you the bump would disappear.

Now let’s light of the switchboards, and fax the hell out of them.

Kill ALL Bills on healthcare, unless it institutes REAL non-governmental reform.

Sapwolf on September 15, 2009 at 4:41 PM

Or he can go the Hugo Chavez route.

I almost hope he takes the latter route – it would lead to a rebirth of liberty in the United States – what has transpired thus far in the tea party movment certainly has moved things back in the direction the founders intended.

We need to keep moving in that direction.

HondaV65 on September 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM

If he goes Chavez, we will have an armed rebellion.

He’s not totally foolish.

Sapwolf on September 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM

B-b-b-but HE QUOTES NIEBUHR!!!!

CDeb on September 15, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Shut up Brooks!

Sapwolf on September 15, 2009 at 4:46 PM

How the hell did it drop that much over night?

He really must have sucked Sunday.

Chuck Schick on September 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

The latest poll is a two-day average of Sunday and Monday polling, while the previous poll is an average of Saturday and Sunday.

On Saturday, Tea Partiers were out in force on the streets of Washington, not answering their phones for Rasmussen, leaving ObamaCare supporters in the majority.

By Monday, they were back at work, and available to answer phones for Rasmussen in the evening.

Since both polls are diluted with Sunday’s results, there could be another sharp decline by tomorrow, when Sunday’s results drop out of the average.

Steve Z on September 15, 2009 at 5:06 PM

I wonder what impact the march might have had?

Terrye on September 15, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Obama is incapable of changing. Went to Pete Stark’s Town Hall Meeting. Here are my observations

Mark
http://mark24609.blogspot.com/2009/09/pete-starks-town-hall-meeting.html

mark24609 on September 15, 2009 at 5:48 PM

Obama ought to call another joint session and give the same speech. He’s given it twice already and three times might be a charm.

Obama’s problem is not wanting anyone to read his bill before it is passed. I can understand the concept but we haven’t progressed that far yet in America.

The House is trying to steer the ship in the right direction with the Joe Wilson censure, a brilliant tactic I hope they repeat again soon.

Obama should instead try to follow the model of his best friend Chavez, and bypass the legislature. He can arrest Wilson the next time Wilson opens his mouth. problem solved

entagor on September 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM

Fool me once–shame on you!
Fool me twice shame on me!
Not sure but I think O was trying to fool the country for the 30th time on OB-care. And he can’t even fool the Democrats now!

chickasaw42 on September 15, 2009 at 9:08 PM

http://reason.com/blog/show/136113.html

“No one should have to choose between health insurance and designer jeans with white stitching, between health insurance and getting drunk, or between health insurance and protein powder.”

maverick muse on September 16, 2009 at 11:14 AM

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