Is Obama the next Herbert Hoover?
posted at 10:55 am on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The last President to initiate a trade war during a recession wound up creating the biggest economic catastrophe in American history. Yet the current President appears to have ignored the lesson of Herbert Hoover and the Smoot-Hawley Act in slapping tariffs on China and its tire exports while the economy struggles to come back to life after a deep recession. The Wall Street Journal wonders where Barack Obama is leading the US, or whether Obama wants to lead at all:
The smell of trade war is suddenly in the air. Mr. Obama slapped a 35% tariff on Chinese tires Friday night, and China responded on the weekend by threatening to retaliate against U.S. chickens and auto parts. That followed French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s demand on Thursday that Europe impose a carbon tariff on imports from countries that don’t follow its cap-and-trade diktats. “We need to impose a carbon tax at [Europe's] border. I will lead that battle,” he said.
Mr. Sarkozy was following U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu, who has endorsed a carbon tax on imports, and the U.S. House of Representatives, which passed a carbon tariff as part of its cap-and-tax bill. This in turn followed the “Buy American” provisions of the stimulus, which has incensed much of Canada; Congress’s bill to ban Mexican trucks from U.S. roads in direct violation of Nafta, prompting Mexico to retaliate against U.S. farm and kitchen goods; and the must-make-cars-in-America provisions of the auto bailouts. Meanwhile, U.S. trade pacts with Colombia, Panama and South Korea languish in Congress.
Through all of this Mr. Obama has either said nothing or objected so feebly that Congress has assumed he doesn’t mean it. Despite his pro-forma demurrals, Mr. Obama’s actions and nonactions are telling the world that the U.S. is abandoning the global leadership on trade that Presidents of both parties have worked to maintain since the 1930s. His advisers whisper that their man is merely playing a little tactical domestic politics, but he is playing with fire, as the last 80 years of trade history should tell him.
Not only does this ignore the history of trade wars and recessions, which the Journal outlines, but it also ignores Obama’s own big-spending policies. Obama wants to spend trillions of dollars in deficits over the next ten years, especially on his overhaul of the health-care and energy industries in the US. That will take a lot of happy bondholders buying US debt, and for the last several years, that means China. What happens when China stops buying — or worse yet, starts selling what Treasuries they already hold?
If an American administration wanted to confront China on trade, it should have prepared itself by eliminating the need to sell debt. That administration would have pared down spending dramatically, lowered corporate taxes to allow for better competition in the global marketplace for American companies, and encouraged domestic investment by lowering capital-gains taxes. The Obama administration has done the exact opposite instead, leaving the US completely unprepared for a trade war against China, especially over tires, which impacts a mere 7,000 jobs in the US.
Bill Clinton, for all his faults, understood the power and the necessity of open trade. George Bush learned that lesson after a fumble on steel tariffs in 2001. No other president since Hoover has made the mistake of thinking that a trade war would help bolster the economy here in the US or abroad. Picking a fight with the US’s largest debtholder as we prepare to issue more debt in the next few years than we have over the course of the past 230 seems like a foolish, ignorant strategy — the worst of both worlds, with the worst possible outcomes.









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And Hoover raised taxes on the rich
sound familiar?
great post..Obama is channeling hoover
galtg on September 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Smoot-Hawley-Obooba.
Akzed on September 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Why can no one learn from history……..
t on September 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Why can I not comment?
patriotparty1 on September 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM
You are all racists. I also denounce myself.
Mr. Joe on September 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Well that one worked, earlier it was telling me not allowed to comment, sorry.
patriotparty1 on September 15, 2009 at 11:00 AM
I can’t help but think that we are all screwed.
sammypants on September 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Didn’t the One just yesterday talk about not repeating the mistakes of yesterday in his Wall Street speech?
PatriotRider on September 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM
The value of their currency goes through the roof. Then guess what happens?
Akzed on September 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Barry O’Hoover
PappaMac on September 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM
If you were trying to ruin the long term stability of the country would you be doing anything different?
BadgerHawk on September 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM
obama wants to destroy our economy, so he can rebuild it in a socialist image…create a crisis…seize power….
right4life on September 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Well look at the people he’s been following up to now; Lenon, Marx, Chavez, FDR, Ayres, Rev. Wright et al… This list speaks for itself.
Tommy_G on September 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Can ACORN buy our debt if China gets jiggy?
a capella on September 15, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Hoover was TOTUS free.
Fletch54 on September 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM
No, obama is the next obama. He is in a category all by himself.
runner on September 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Was Hoover black?
fogw on September 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Exactly. As if any of the policies he’s pushing are his own ideas. Does anyone really think that he was pondering how to shore uf global financial regulatory protocols, and came up with some good ideas for reform?
Akzed on September 15, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Read Amity Shlaes “The Forgotten Man”. Reading the history of the period is like watching news now. It’s very predictable.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 15, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Hoover was also a trained engineer. He knew how to build communities, not organize them.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 15, 2009 at 11:06 AM
All that’s missing from this article is a noose!
Lehosh on September 15, 2009 at 11:06 AM
It’s all in “The Forgotten Man”. This socialist is making the same choices as FDR, trying to turn us into his image. Homeboy best be careful.
Brass Knuckles on September 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM
foolish..ignorant..yep, that our POS Prez.
becki51758 on September 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Where will the Obama dam be built?
SouthernGent on September 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Obviously, the article is racist!
cibolo on September 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM
No, Obama is the next Adolf Hitler. READ the Nazi Party Platform. Obama follows the National Socialist German Worker’s Party platform like it’s posted on his teleprompter.
Before some idiots claims I’m a racist READ the freaking platform. Out of the 25 goals Obama has already attempted 18.
http://people.westminstercollege.edu/faculty/mmarkowski/H113/AH/platform.html
nelsonknows on September 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Is it just me, or are there others that wish China would act a strict parent and stop buying our debt?
WashJeff on September 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM
If you were trying to ruin the long term stability of the country would you be doing anything different?
BadgerHawk on September 15, 2009 at 11:02 AM
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This is a premeditated destruction of the USA by Barry.
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ms on September 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM
why yes, yes he is! Hooverville here we come
Timmeh Geithner just gave an interview wherin he proclaimed TOTUS CAN cut the deficit, increase the size of govt and all without taxing the <250k bunch
he mentioned our STANDARD OF LIVING which in light of crazy John Holdren makes me nervous
We will all be living like Lt Columbo in 1977 (anyone else recall the episode where he tricked the chief of police into thinking Columbos apt was the thiefs apt? cuz LA cops made so little dough)if we let this continue, we need GOP and Mod Dems to block this insanity
ginaswo on September 15, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Well, if you can’t make everybody share their wealth voluntarily, then overtax them, start a trade war, and make the economy tank. Then there will be two classes. The all-powerful Bureaucrats and the Proletariat. Waitasec…that sounds like Socialism.
kingsjester on September 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM
It is as if he wanted to follow the same game plan as Hoover…?hmmm
d1carter on September 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM
No, Obama is much worse than Hoover because he wants to destroy everything American and rebuild it in some marxist utopia.
farright on September 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Of course Obama doesn’t want to lead. He wants to tear down then rebuild the US in his image and likeness.
SKYFOX on September 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM
washjeff
china is our best hope to stop the crazy spending train in DC
If the bond vigilantes would just go on and do what they did to Big Dawg TOTUS would be FORCED to STOP SPENDING
the first shot in the trade war wherein TOTUS caved to labor and brought an action that has NO BASIS (there was no SURGE in tire imports!) in the spirit of the WTO agreement IMO means TOTUS does not CARE and does not LISTEn to the ‘mods’ and ‘gop’ers he carried around in his pocket in the campaign
yeah Marty Feldstein and Paul Volcker I am talking to you
ginaswo on September 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM
“Timmeh!!!”
/heh
Akzed on September 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM
I seriously wonder if this man ever took a history or an economics course in college. I guess he was too busy with Organizing 101
MainelyRight on September 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Obama will be wishing to have a legacy like Hoover’s by the time he’s done with his one disastrous term. History is going to judge Barry’s failures very harshly.
AZCoyote on September 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM
His hometown in Kenya with US tax money.
farright on September 15, 2009 at 11:11 AM
How does a President raise tariffs? Not that I’m a Constitutional Scholar like he is but isn’t that something that’s specifically granted to Congress under Article 1, Sec 8 ?
Mr. Bingley on September 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Hoover did not have Hoover’s example to avoid or learn from…that makes Obama worse
clnurnberg on September 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Can someone post a link explaining why the tariff on tires (of all things)?
Of all the things from China, why tires?
visions on September 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM
‘Healthcare in every pot and Government Motors in every garage?’
eforhan on September 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Bush = Hoover/Obama = FDR
V15J on September 15, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Which explains his being characterized as not a people person on the advent of national economic meltdown. Engineers are kind of wired that way and probably made things that much easier for FDR’s rise to power.
Fletch54 on September 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM
This is all being done on purpose. He’s intentionally trying to create financial chaos in the marketplace, and so far, so good. While it’s clear he doesn’t understand a thing about economics, it should also be crystal clear by now that he doesn’t care. He’s got his own agenda, and it doesn’t involve more American jobs, a better American economy, a strong dollar or free trade. We haven’t hit the iceberg yet, gang, but it’s looming …
jonrademacher on September 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM
I think everyone who went to DC on Saturday should have brought tents and taken up residence until this nightmare is ended
MainelyRight on September 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Most of you are under the impression that history is mandatory in the affirmative action school system.
Like basic math, economics, and geography it is not.
jukin on September 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Hoover was small potatoes compared to Obama. Hoover did his dirty work out of bumbling stupidity, Obama does his work out of a sense of TREASON
Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM
I seriously wonder if he read a single book after he left college.
runner on September 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Are we giving Obama too much credit for his economic genius in destroying the U.S. economy or is he, and the brain trust that surround him, just that ignorant? None of them has any real-world experience in the private sector, especially as relates to running a business. They have never had to meet payroll or deal with issues of overhead and balance sheets. Theirs is the stuff of Pollyanna, pie-in-the-sky ideology that shares the “can’t we all just get along” mantra. Marxism is an ideal which gives no quarter to free expression, entrepeneurship, or individual effort. Equality of opportunity means equality of outcome to this bunch of elitists who believe they can run an economy without the first shred of actual experience.
College Prof on September 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM
They’re costing Obooba’s constituency jobs. I.e, union jobs.
Akzed on September 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Presentdent Obama…
catmman on September 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Obama and Herbert, like the Hoover vacuum, they suck!
atlgal on September 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Everyday I read the same questions – why is he doing this?, what is he thinking? what possible good could come of this? etc.
Why don’t we all just cut to the chase and admit the FACT that Obama has no intention of anything other than DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY PIECE BY PIECE!!!! It makes everything sooooo much clearer if you look at what he does through this lens.
Maybe then we can all stop from wondering what he is doing and actually work to DEFEAT him!
Oh…and in case you have any doubts about his stand on Christian vs. Islam, maybe this will shed some light on that:
http://www.islamoncapitalhill.com
Flyboy on September 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM
The one problem with your analysis Ed, is the decades of us ignoring China’s refusal to adhere to international monetary policies, and them price dumping to drive our companies out of business.
Along with that is our over regulation, and taxation. But even with out that, China has profited by the lack of congress to force them to follow international monetary laws.
This may not be a good tariff, and for the wrong reasons…but China is not the “good guy” in these battles.
We should have addressed these problems in the Clinton, and Bush administration, but alas, the money flowing into campaign coffers, from the lobbyists you so revere, have created fiscal problems that needs to be addressed….but because we elect by who has the most cash, they won’t be resolved.
This time, the union had more money…
right2bright on September 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Well, if your looked at his college transcripts your would clearly know…
WashJeff on September 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I’ll ride a horse every day, before I buy a GM Product again.
PappaMac on September 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM
This was supposed to be a trial balloon. As was mentioned it only concerned about 7,000 jobs so it was meant to be a light sop toward the ever-present unions and that’s all.
Instead, the Chinese took it very seriously and responded in kind, and now Ogabe has yet another foolish conundrum on his hand; back off and gain the ire of the unions, or press on and make things worse.
Thank Gaia we elected a crackhead with no executive, business or economic experience to the Presidency.
Bishop on September 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Didn’t the One just yesterday talk about not repeating the mistakes of yesterday in his Wall Street speech?
PatriotRider on September 15, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Apparantly “yesterday” “a while ago”
No, Obama is worse than Hoover in that Hoover didn’t have a Hoover to learn from.
Jed_Eckert on September 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I will tell you what Obama is and Herbert Hoover ain’t even close. We have got to get this main stream, and raise such literall HELL that this is stopped in it’s tracks.
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HOMELAND INSECURITY
Obama inspires Islamists’ D.C. prayer rally
Shariah experts to proclaim ‘Our Day has Come’
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10:32 pm Eastern
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Muslims who are working to stage the “Our Day Has Come” day of prayer at the U.S. Capitol have discussed views that include an Islamic takeover of the White House, from where they say President Barack Obama is providing their inspiration
patriotparty1 on September 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM
In order to do that, one would need to actually have studied history. Surely the case can be made that Obama is woefully ignorant of our history which explains the foolishness of his strategy.
Kafir on September 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM
My apologies to Annie. Herbert Hoover always brings this song to mind. (with a few deletions)
We’d like to thank you-Barak Obama
For really showing us the way!
We’d like to thank you, B Obama
You’ve made us what we are today…
They offered us Biden and Obama
They didn’t pay attention and they chose
Now since they didn’t pay attention
We’ll pay through the nose.
In ev’ry pot he said “a chicken”
But B Obama he forgot
Not only won’t we have the chicken
We won’t have the pot!….
We’d like to thank you,Barak Obama
For really showing us the way
You dirty rat, you Bureaucrat, you
Made us what we are today
Beaglemom on September 15, 2009 at 11:18 AM
This is so great. Study the mistakes of past Presidents and adopt them as policies. Take Marxist claptrap and adopt it as policy. Adopt every negative in an economy and push it; or “keep the pressure on” as Alinsky would say.
Many have noted that Obama could not be doing this much damage accidentally but must be operating to a plan to bring us low.
GunRunner on September 15, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Can anyone point to any time that socialism has actually worked for a long period of time? (China only started growing when they started letting the peasants own a portion of their own output, so that doesn’t count.) How about trade wars with the country who owns a significant part of your debt?
Christian Conservative on September 15, 2009 at 11:19 AM
This is proof that he has learned from history.
LibTired on September 15, 2009 at 11:19 AM
If this administration keeps up the suction at this level it will soon implode.
farright on September 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM
The smell of trade war is suddenly in the air. Mr. Obama slapped a 35% tariff on Chinese tires Friday night
Maybe O is just confused. Maybe he thought the Chinese tires were high falootin solid gold health care plans that were disguised as tires.
Jed_Eckert on September 15, 2009 at 11:20 AM
Too many links…but China has been price dumping for decades…designed to destroy one industry at a time.
Their businesses are government backed, and their money is tied to U.S. Currency…it ends up basically being about 70cents on the dollar.
Even if China buys the product from us, and resells it to Brazil, they will buy it, and re-sell it for 70 cents on the dollar to Brazil (usually the raw material for production).
After eventually “owning” the market, then they produce it themselves…it is against the law for us to price dump, and we have allowed them to do it for years.
Clinton didn’t stop them, Bush didn’t stop them…because all the big businesses wanted to sell to China…now they are beginning to realize their short term profits,marketing strategy are coming back to haunt them.
right2bright on September 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Stupider than Carter?
Obama is exceeding my expectations.
Socratease on September 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Because everyone is focused on what a fool Obama is, but in this case, the basis is valid. I don’t like the reason (union pressure), but I don’t mind taking the stand against a government that has used illegal trade for decades.
right2bright on September 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM
I take it that the Tyre Industry has a strong union.
OldEnglish on September 15, 2009 at 11:24 AM
“An ACORN in every pot!”
Akzed on September 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Another comparison overlooked
Hoover damed the river in Nevada
Obama damned America with Jerimiah Wright to all the muslim world.
Well I just be damned
bluegrass on September 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM
After all won’t
HovervillesObamavilles make more people dependent on the government? Somebody takes this man’s blackberry away so he can’t reach Soros for instructions.HoustonRight on September 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM
And we need to give the media its credit for this too!
bluegrass on September 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM
The Bonneville Salt Flats of course.
Did you really need to ask?
Jim708 on September 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM
The history lessons are so clear, this cannot simply be a misunderstanding of economics.
rbj on September 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Obama is not ignoring the lesson. He’s duplicating a known way to destroy the economy. Obama wants the economy to fail. It’s the major crisis he needs to push his entire agenda.
Guardian on September 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM
I don’t expect Obama to be so stupid as to start a trade war with China.
But then he has *exceeded* my expectations again and again.
WannabeAnglican on September 15, 2009 at 11:26 AM
But..but..it can’t be,
I thought Chris Matthews said he was one of the Kennedy brothers, Lincoln or Roosevelt.
HellCat on September 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Well..that is disturbing. wtf
becki51758 on September 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM
Many have noted that Obama could not be doing this much damage accidentally but must be operating to a plan to bring us low.
GunRunner on September 15, 2009 at 11:19 AM
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To bring us low?……The correct words are…… to destroy us.
ms on September 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM
But..but..it can’t be,
I thought Chris Matthews said he was one of the Kennedy brothers, Lincoln or Roosevelt.
HellCat on September 15, 2009 at 11:27 AM
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but he was in the middle of an orgasm!
bluegrass on September 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Come on this must be George Bush’s fault!
xler8bmw on September 15, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Smoot-Hawley + Cloward-Piven = The Great Depression 2.0
ZenDraken on September 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Obama: I will ensure that a government of the unions, by the unions, and for the unions shall not perish from this earth.
GaltBlvnAtty on September 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM
By Golly it a union pay off.
Oh by the way here is another one.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Air-Canada-ban-by-U-S-leaves-NHL-teams-angry-p?urn=nhl,187445
Clyde5445 on September 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM
because they are dumping them on our market at crazy low prices, and because way too many Americans are still stupid enough to be excited to buy cut-rate Chinese crap that will put their lives at risk? Really, after Chinese grain in pet food, Chinese lead paint on toys, Chinese drywall, etc, would you really think it’s a good idea to put Chinese tires on your car?
OK, right2bright has the real answer…China’s been breaking the rules for way too long and POTUS after POTUS has allowed them to do it. I’m sure Obama will fold like a cheap suit too.
funky chicken on September 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Has anyone asked for the reaction from US chickens?
In the avalanche of doubling down on stupid, I have to find some humor even if it is in the lack editing from WSJ for their article.
mwbri on September 15, 2009 at 11:36 AM
nd we need to give the media its credit for this too!
bluegrass on September 15, 2009 at 11:25 AM
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He** yes…. The LSM (no longer MSM, they are the Left Stream Media)…..are traitors.
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ms on September 15, 2009 at 11:38 AM
The chickens have asked the House to pass a resolution of disapproval against China.
Emperor Norton on September 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM
You keep forgetting Ed, they don’t teach economics in Socialism 101. And as for history, this President believes Hirohito personally surrendered to MacArthur. Hell, he doesn’t even know how many states there are.
GarandFan on September 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM
runner on September 15, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Are we even sure he went to college? I mean they talk about it but really no proof.
milwife88 on September 15, 2009 at 11:39 AM
That’s what happens when you owe your presidency to big labor – you end up being led instead of leading. Leading is something I don’t know that Obama has ever known how to do anyway.
It makes me wonder if the guy has ever read a history book? an economics book? a math book? a political science book?
AusTex girl on September 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM
It is seriously as though the man never studied history at all. He still thinks all this workers of the world unite stuff is current. He missed the fall of Communism. Did history stop With the Bolshevik Revolution for him? As though all these tactics haven’t failed miserably! Amazing.
petunia on September 15, 2009 at 11:41 AM
PETA is requesting today that Virginia lease an old prison for the purpose of as a chicken empathy museum.
Seriously
Haunches on September 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Colonel Sanders & his 17 herbs & spices are pissed!
Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM
asHaunches on September 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM
I sent the link to all I know. Funny that this is the 1st weve heard about it. Isnt this endorsing a religion? Wheres the ACLU?
becki51758 on September 15, 2009 at 11:43 AM
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