Comments on: Cap-and-trade bill will hurt farmers — and consumers

By: Badger40

Badger40 — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:31:50 +0000

Maybe no one is reading this thread anymore-but my 2 cents is this:
My husband & I ranch in ND-we do not farm.
Many farmers I know are dependent upon govt subsidies in one form or another.
Unfortunately, the system has been rigged to work in favor of being beholden to govt $$.
The only way you will ever be able to be a farmer,or rancher, is:
1. to inherit everything
2. marry into it
3. Be a big corporation with lots of assets (looking for a tax break?)
4. Be a Big AgBiz corp.
I don’t give a crap what the big Ag giants & shills say: Bi ag & cap & trade will be the final death of the family farm & ranch.
Alan Gubert,ag columnist, recently wrote that we should rejoice on cap & trade & roll in the $$ as it comes in.
I do not want to be a govt whore taking their $$ just to stay in business.
This cap & trade will be all our death knell in the family ag industry.
Do you want coporate farms? Do you really think they always have the best interests of the land & animals at heart?
Something’s gotta give-soon.
I am tired of the Walmartiziation of America & the world.
This will cinch it.
Pretty soon, there will only be one or 2 corporation that provide the entire WORLD with the food that people do not individually grow themselves.
That alone should scare the hell out of you.

By: ajacksonian

ajacksonian — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:05:33 +0000

Can’t afford medical care?

No problem! Obamacare will take care of that.

Food prices soaring due to cap’n'trade?

No problem! Death Panels coming to a supermarket near you!

Yes it all makes sense now… kill the poor and eat the rich.

By: profitsbeard

profitsbeard — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:42:34 +0000

NO!

By: @ntif@n

@ntif@n — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:39:16 +0000

Most farmers are white=you dont like cap n trade=”you’re a raaaaciiissst!!!!”

By: Kirk Race, Wallace Challenge | Chicago Daily Observer

Kirk Race, Wallace Challenge | Chicago Daily Observer — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:42:13 +0000

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By: Steve Z

Steve Z — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:39:34 +0000

Criminy, do you buy it in gold lined bottles or something?
It’s only $2.39 around here.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2009 at 2:03 PM

I’ve seen quart bottles of milk for $1.69 in CT, which works out to $6.76 per gallon. To get it cheaper, you need to buy more at a time, and drink it before it goes bad.

By: Steve Z

Steve Z — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:36:14 +0000

Using corn to make ethanol doesn’t even cut CO2 emissions. For an equal amount of energy released, ethanol releases about the same amount of CO2 as gasoline, and then there’s the fuel burned by farm machinery planting and reaping the corn. The total corn-to-ethanol cycle therefore emits MORE CO2 than simply burning gasoline.

As for prices of other foods, cap-and-trade would also increase electricity costs, which would increase the cost of refrigerating perishable food at wholesale and retail stores, who would pass the costs along to consumers.

Hundreds of experiments have shown that plants grow faster and have higher crop yields in an atmosphere enriched in CO2. Why not let the CO2 into the atmosphere and enjoy a greener, more fertile Earth? A growing world population might need the extra food…

By: Terrye

Terrye — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:19:42 +0000

I don’t even think it will help Iowa farmers in the long run. It will raise fuel prices and the prices of fertilizer.

By: NTWR

NTWR — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:16:19 +0000

This will torpedo our already- sinking economy.

By: Blacksmith

Blacksmith — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:34:39 +0000

But Ed, without a simultaneous famine and unemployment crisis, however shall the Congressional Democrats emulate the (thankfully so-far-fictional) Warrick Administration of 2019?

By: Oldnuke

Oldnuke — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:06:49 +0000

Barry’s just lookin’ out for us. We are a nation of fatties so if he makes food more expensive and reduces the amount available we’ll have to ration it and then we’ll all lose weight and life will be beautiful in our new workers paradise. All hail The One, Lord Obama….Oh, and death to Amerikkka you racist thug conservative capitalist pigs. I’m going to feed my unicorn now. Do I really need to put a sarc tag on that?

By: mr.blacksheep

mr.blacksheep — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:39:35 +0000

“Hey, I wish we could pour gasoline on my cereal. It’s cheaper than milk.”

Milk: $6.79 per gallon.

portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I’ll stick with ethanol.

By: Lincoln Says Cap and Trade Bill ‘Deeply Flawed’ « The Pulse- of Colorado Farm Bureau

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:37:33 +0000

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By: Itchee Dryback

Itchee Dryback — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:28:16 +0000

Hospitals can turn down the A/C and turn down the lights in surgery.. They can’t do surgery under the punk little CFC bulbs.

seven on September 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Surg-reee? No such high falootin’ stuff ‘gwen be havin’ wid ‘Bamacare. Jus take an ass burn n call somebody in da mornin’

Damn Crackerz.
s/

By: GarandFan

GarandFan — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:23:51 +0000

Cue the rainbow colored unicorns! Hit the spotlights! Bring Barry on stage to ‘sell, sell, sell’.

By: seven

seven — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:15:55 +0000

Hospitals can turn down the A/C and turn down the lights in surgery.. They can’t do surgery under the punk little CFC bulbs.

By: Dragoonchris

Dragoonchris — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:05:15 +0000

Ok, I have been asking this question for awhile. So maybe a big brain or at least someone with resources can shed some light for me.

How much affect will C&T have on the Healthcare Industry. Takes alot to just keep the lights and heart monitors on in a Hospital. I also imagine that sterilized medical equipment(IV’s, Bandages, Scalpels, leeches) take quite a bit of energy to produce. Anyone even concidering this in the Healthcare Conversations?

By: Count to 10

Count to 10 — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:35:43 +0000

Ms. Palin.
BowHuntingTexas on September 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

What do Piper, Willow, and Bristol have to do with it? :)

By: upinak

upinak — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:33:50 +0000

Milk: $6.79 per gallon.

portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I already pay that much… big deal.

I need to buy a cow to get it lower.

By: R Square

R Square — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:12:26 +0000

Ogabe Oblada life goes on bra
lala how the life goes on
Ogabe oblada life goes on bra
Lala how the life goes on.

In a couple of years they have a couple of tax credits running in the yard…

By: Schadenfreude

Schadenfreude — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:10:14 +0000

It's the activism, stupid.

To succeed, he must be relentlessly activist. As his own instincts tell him, he has no choice but to respond to "the fierce urgency of now."

By: daesleeper

daesleeper — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:07:10 +0000

Once Ogabe has forced the price of food through the roof he can come in and start price controls on food items. Of course only state sanctioned food items will be allowed to be produced. It worked so well for the soviets, Chavez, and Mugabe.

By: R Square

R Square — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:04:28 +0000

Cause he’s the wax man…yeah….the wax man!

One, two, three, four…
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)

Let me tell you how it will be;
There’s one for you, nineteen for me.
‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don’t take it all.
‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

(if you drive a car, car;) – I’ll tax the street;
(if you try to sit, sit;) – I’ll tax your seat;
(if you get too cold, cold;) – I’ll tax the heat;
(if you take a walk, walk;) – I’ll tax your feet.

Wax man!

‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

Don’t ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
If you don’t want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

Now my advice for those who die, (wax man)
Declare the pennies on your eyes. (wax man)
‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

And you’re working for no one but me.

Waxman!

By: angryed

angryed — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:04:28 +0000

Ed,

Not to poo poo the chart, but come on….predictions of job losses in 2035? They might as well try to pick the super bowl winners in 2035. I dont’ doubt for a minute that this bill is bad for the economy. But claiming job losses 25 years in the future makes it less believable.

By: MarkTheGreat

MarkTheGreat — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:03:06 +0000

Milk: $6.79 per gallon.

portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Criminy, do you buy it in gold lined bottles or something?
It’s only $2.39 around here.