Cap-and-trade bill will hurt farmers — and consumers

posted at 12:55 pm on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Democrats already have a problem with coal-producing states over their cap-and-trade bill, and Harry Reid will likely find the Senate Democrats from those states less than enthused about killing their local economies.  Senators from agricultural states may want to take a close look, too.  A new study shows that, while some farmers may gain in the short term through the sale of carbon credits, the cap-and-trade system will hurt a wide swath of the American agricultural sector:

A new study making the rounds of Capitol Hill shows Iowa farms could potentially benefit from a cap-and-trade bill passed by the House to reduce carbon emissions.

However, the study shows many types of farms in other areas of the country are likely to lose money under the legislation.

The study was done by economists at Texas A&M University who analyzed the impact of government policies on representative farms around the country. The finding: Seventy-one of 98 model crop and livestock operations would see their cash reserves decline by 2016 under the House-passed cap-and-trade bill, even with the opportunity for farms to earn money from carbon credits. Virtually all rice, cotton, dairy and cattle farms modeled in the study stand to make little or nothing from the credits and would lose money under the bill.

Why would Iowa farms gain?  The bill helps corn farmers, more than likely due to its support for ethanol production.  Farmers in the upper Midwest have benefited from the higher prices of corn, even though those higher prices led to starvation and increased poverty.  Despite the growing evidence that ethanol expands misery rather than reduces it, Barack Obama continues to be joined at the hip to the ethanol lobby.

For the rest of us, higher costs to farmers mean higher costs at the grocery store.  We can expect to see increases in many staples, such as beef, milk, and rice.  Clothes will become more expensive as cotton prices go up.  This comes on top of the higher costs of energy we’ll all be paying separately, as well as the price increases that come from fuel price increases in the distribution chain that brings all of these good to market.

And while all of these prices go up, wages will go down.  Let’s not forget this handy chart from Heritage:

Just as with any other market, the more unemployed people we have looking for jobs, the slower wages will rise as demand underperforms against supply.  Prices will continue to sharply rise while wages remain flat or decline, leading to a net loss in buying power that will hammer the working class and middle class.  This study shows that the price increases will come faster and higher than first predicted — and will probably put small farmers out of business entirely.


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If this administration thinks that the ObamaCare debate has been tough, then they need to hang on to their seats. This one is going to be a wild ride.

d1carter on September 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM

The sky is blue

( same level of truth, surprise, and Obviousness )

Janos Hunyadi on September 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM

McCain is deeply offended.

Fletch54 on September 15, 2009 at 12:58 PM

The bill helps corn farmers, more than likely due to its support for ethanol production.

ADM is headquartered in IL. E’nuf said.

WashJeff on September 15, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Look, do any of us really need food? Food is so highly overrated anyway.

Besides, if ObamaJoker fails to get his healthcare reform, here’s a great way to advance the cause of death panels regardless.

FlameWarrior on September 15, 2009 at 1:00 PM

Boy, this really bites for people in the Big City.

Good thing I live out here in Rural America.

PappaMac on September 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM

who cares. pssssh farmers and consumers are racists.

ThackerAgency on September 15, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Cap-and-trade bill

Anything to suppress the incredible Hurricane season we’ve had so far./sarc

Chainsaw56 on September 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM

If cap-n-tax increases the cost of home heating oil and natural gas; EVERYONE in the northern tier of states will suffer. (of course women and minorities will be hardest hit)

kooly on September 15, 2009 at 1:02 PM

Racists. You must be racist to hate cap and trade.

Mr. Joe on September 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM

According to plan.

Akzed on September 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM

For the rest of us, higher costs to farmers mean higher costs at the grocery store

And then add in all the farmers whose water has been cut off to save some stupid little fishy’s. Another story the MSM is ignoring.

Knucklehead on September 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Farmers don’t care about black people!!!!!!!!!

SouthernGent on September 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM

and for what? Climate Freakin’ Change? This is really starting to get old. Weren’t the oceans supposed to have already risen like 6″-10″ by now? Democrats and their sheep need to get a dose of reality. They’re all fluffy unicorns and rainbows. And it sucks.

kirkill on September 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I’m glad this study was done, just to get it out of the way. But it should be common sense that this bill would do what the study has said, which is to seriously damage the US economy! I think we should use more of our own brains, rather than relying on experts (but certainly have the experts to back us up).

Weebork on September 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

I’m glad I have an acre of property where I can grow my own. All my urban liberals friends (sar) will be hanging around my door in a few years.

PatriotRider on September 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM

If we all eat less, in order to prevent obesity, than it won’t matter if there is less food available. Call every senator from a farm state and ask him if he’s willing to eat less too.

Kissmygrits on September 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Add this to the Trade war with China, France and others and we will be starving by next winter, plus the depression, Ayn Rand’s book is right on target.

We are at about page 735. It only gets worse from here.

(Joker voice)

It’s aaalllll part of The Plan….

GunRunner on September 15, 2009 at 1:07 PM

Cap and trade yes, but in China.

sonnyspats1 on September 15, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Look, the very same people that yammer on and on about Peak Oil are the same nitwits that want this cap and trade fleecing our hides.

The Peak Oil meme says that the problem cap and trade is supposed to address is solving itself.

So which line of bullsh*t do they want us to believe?

shaken on September 15, 2009 at 1:08 PM

You know, I was just excited about higher energy bills, but higher food costs too? Yippy!

myrenovations on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

After Cap & Tax passes:

“Hey, I wish we could pour gasoline on my cereal. It’s cheaper than milk.”

Milk: $6.79 per gallon.

portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

The current ridiculous ethanol subsidy already adds to prices for a whole host of produce items, not just corn. Also your beef, pork, and poultry is currently much higher because of it.

C and T’s ethanol provisions will cause these prices to skyrocket, a little Obama lingo for you, not to mention the added transportation costs of getting the goods to market.

This bill alone will kill the economy, ObamaCare or no ObamaCare.

TXUS on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Cap and Tax: A bill to outsource all jobs that polute to China and Mexico.

jhffmn on September 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Time magazine cover story:

We’re all Socialists Farmers Now.

UltimateBob on September 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM

How does this help Meghan’s hypertrophic rumen?

TexasJew on September 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM

“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said. “That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.

Akzed on September 15, 2009 at 1:10 PM

at our townhall, one local farmer who is a big Dem, congratulated our congressman, Dem. Perriello, 5th CD Va for voting for this bill.

i thought to myself of the farmer (who, btw, is extremely bright) “did you even read this?”

and meanwhile, Perriello said the bill is patriotic & will make Americans invent stuff to save all this money, energy, etc. ’cause we’re inventors.

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2009 at 1:11 PM

New threads,new programs and problems. The REAL grenade gets tossed to the side. It’s ACORN & SEIU people. Take them down, take them down hard and this whole corrupt house of cards falls, including Obama.

Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Hmm, cap-n-trade is to help cool the earth, which will help the artic, which will help polar bears. And polar bears are white.

Ergo, cap-n-trade is racist!

rbj on September 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Farmers in the upper Midwest have benefited from the higher prices of corn, even though those higher prices led to starvation and increased poverty.

Living in a major corn producing state, I have found most of the farmers to be very short sighted on this issue. Ethanol is not the answer. Perhaps the most abundant resource in America is coal. Which begs the question: Why does the administration want to put whole industries out of business and force millions more people into unemployment all the while drive up of the price of everything?

Tommy_G on September 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

It’s Bush’s fault. (have to add that to virtually every post, since Bleeds Blue, getalife and AnninCA truly believe it).

kirkill on September 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Add this to the Trade war with China, France and others and we will be starving by next winter, plus the depression, Ayn Rand’s book is right on target.

We are at about page 735. It only gets worse from here.

GunRunner on September 15, 2009 at 1:07 PM

One of the best signs I saw at the DC march on Saturday;

“Read Atlas Shrugged, now available in the nonfiction section.”

UltimateBob on September 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM

***
A good article–as far as it goes. Yes–C(R)AP AND TAX will cost us all more. As will the “greenie” power sources that are not economically viable without government (aka taxpayer) subsidies to keep them competitive with traditional sources.
***
The real kicker is what the wild spending will do when the money printing inflation “kicks in”. The dollar devaluation against the Euro is starting already. And the imported oil and natural gas is priced in Euros–not dollars. The call for a new international (non-dollar based) money is part of this “reality check”.
***
President Obama (PBUH) likes this effect–we will pay more, and the bad energy sources can “compete” better when we pay $10 a gallon for gasoline and natural gas.
***
John Bibb
***

rocketman on September 15, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Ergo, cap-n-trade is racist!

rbj on September 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I enjoyed your Polar Bear analogy, but the truth is that with higher prices coming, the first people that are hurt are poor people, and since there is a higher percentage of black people in the poor category, it’s racist. Every single liberal dogma rule is anti-productive, and keeps poor people poor and guaranteed to vote for more Dems…to get more handouts. But then, that’s as obvious as the sky is blue…except when it’s not.

kirkill on September 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Crap&Tax – check
ObamaCare – check
VietNam ROE in Afghanistan – check
Premature Withdrawal in Iraq – check
Amateurs in the White House – check
Israel takes out Iran’s nuke facilities – check

Debate coarsening, pretty boy? You ain’t seen sh*t.

bloviator on September 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Gig’em Aggies!

txag92 on September 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM

We won’t need to drive because for one, we won’t be able to afford the tires for the car that we can’t drive because we can’t afford the gas.

Then there’s the electricity for homes we won’t be able to afford so we’ll lose our cable tv and internet connections and won’t know how bad we really have it. And even if we did have the internet it will be scrubbed clean.

Happy times are ahead.

moonsbreath on September 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM

New threads,new programs and problems. The REAL grenade gets tossed to the side. It’s ACORN & SEIU people. Take them down, take them down hard and this whole corrupt house of cards falls, including Obama.

Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM

ACORN and SEIU happen to be headquartered in the same building in New Orleans.

Just sayin’………

UltimateBob on September 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Ms. Palin.

Off shore drilling, no cap and trade, nuclear energy, elimination of environmental restrictions on on-shore drilling, elimination of ethynol subsidies …

There’s a winner or two in there somewhere.

BowHuntingTexas on September 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

The goal of cap-and-trade is to DESTROY industries of all kinds. I have yet to see the full study of ALL of the impacts of the house bill.

The silly complaint that this bill will ‘slightly increase consumer electricity costs’, chastizing those that complain about paying a little bit more, ignores the trickle down effect of taxing all energy useed in making, distributing, storing and selling of products.

Freddy on September 15, 2009 at 1:18 PM

” Let them eat cake “.

Johan Klaus on September 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Farmers Fight, Aggies!

texasaggie on September 15, 2009 at 1:21 PM

ACORN and SEIU happen to be headquartered in the same building in New Orleans.

Just sayin’………

UltimateBob on September 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Yup…and founded by the same two brothers

Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

” Let them eat cake dirt “.

Johan Klaus on September 15, 2009 at 1:20 PM

FIFY.

That’s what the elites are REALLY saying.

UltimateBob on September 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Term limits would help clean up some of this lunacy.

R Square on September 15, 2009 at 1:22 PM

Ms. Palin.

Off shore drilling, no cap and trade, nuclear energy, elimination of environmental restrictions on on-shore drilling, elimination of ethynol subsidies …

There’s a winner or two in there somewhere.

BowHuntingTexas on September 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

For the GOP, at this time, she’s the great hope. All others, so far, are a joke.

Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Why are they so hell bent to try everything that has been proven a failure?

They really do want to sink this country.

Elizabetty on September 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Nudge.

Itchee Dryback on September 15, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Look on the bright side: combining Cap and Trade and Health Care Reform could be a fatal strategic error on Obama’s part. He should have handled one at a time. Exploit this NOW. Cap and Trade is a scam! it makes Obamacare look rational by comparison.

KillerKane on September 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

Jacking up taxes, starting a trade war, and hiking the deficit to record levels.

All during a recession.

Genius, just pure genius.

Anders on September 15, 2009 at 1:27 PM

m glad this study was done, just to get it out of the way. But it should be common sense that this bill would do what the study has said, which is to seriously damage the US economy! I think we should use more of our own brains, rather than relying on experts (but certainly have the experts to back us up).

Weebork on September 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM

Remember Reagan, “Trust, but verify!”.

This is the ‘verify’ part of the ‘trust our common sense’.

belad on September 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Some great statements on these threads the last few weeks, yet at the top of the page, we’re fed a steady diet of professional “writers” telling us that we’re too angry, we’re to “coarse” in our language, that we don’t try for a more bi-partisan outlook , that people we respect, like Palin or Beck, are fools that we must not listen to. That the elitists of both parties, the supposed intellectuals, MUST be listened to, and obeyed.

They can stop feeding us that garbage any day now. We’re way past playing nice. It’s time for a revolution.

Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

At this point, I don’t see how this turd of a bill can pass.

AUINSC on September 15, 2009 at 1:30 PM

The bill helps corn farmers, more than likely due to its support for ethanol production.

Wonderful! Have food compete with fuel!

Fantastic!

drjohn on September 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Yes, let’s keep repeating the obvious until the idiots on the other side finally get it.

Blake on September 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Let’s just call it the grass hut/cave bill because that’s where the morons trying to pass this craptastic peice of legislation want you and your children to end up living.

TrickyDick on September 15, 2009 at 1:33 PM

At this point, I don’t see how this turd of a bill can pass.

A turd in a cesspool does not stand out. Nor is the smell distinctive from its surroundings.

drjohn on September 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM

It’s time for a revolution.

Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM

We might want to think about ‘pitchforks and torches on the Capital steps’ routine first, then the other option.

belad on September 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM

OT…..

The boob is on the boob tube again.

He just told me that I’m going to have $3000 more in my wallet thanks to TARP.

He’s lying again……………..

Knucklehead on September 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM

this bill just needs 51 votes. bambi has the votes in the senate if he wants to push it.

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2009 at 1:36 PM

who is going to believe that we will get $3,000 from TARP if we haven’t already gotten it?

well, bambi’s rock solid base believes it.

kelley in virginia on September 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

O/T The head piece of Shit is lying thru his teeth to AFL-CIO audience on FOX SICKENING.

heshtesh on September 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Knucklehead on September 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM

Please make him shut up. Oh, and I’ll take my $3000 in cash.

Filthy liar, someone needs to wash his mouth out with soap.

milwife88 on September 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

And the mere fact that this was so easily passed in the house, tell us….they don’t give a fig who this hurts. It’s all about furthering their agenda. They want us poor, in need, and begging.

I agree with a previous poster. They’ll have one hell of a fight on their hands with this, and health care.

capejasmine on September 15, 2009 at 1:41 PM

And the little lemming’s are just sucking it up.

heshtesh on September 15, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Filthy liar, someone needs to wash his mouth out with soap.

milwife88 on September 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

Here it comes in …3…2…1…RRRAACIST!!

belad on September 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM

Gig’em Aggies!

txag92 on September 15, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Whoop!

Vashta.Nerada on September 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM

milwife88 on September 15, 2009 at 1:37 PM

He is in full “Reverend Wright” mode in this speech.

Knucklehead on September 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM

I enjoyed your Polar Bear analogy, but the truth is that with higher prices coming, the first people that are hurt are poor people, and since there is a higher percentage of black people in the poor category, it’s racist. Every single liberal dogma rule is anti-productive, and keeps poor people poor and guaranteed to vote for more Dems…to get more handouts. But then, that’s as obvious as the sky is blue…except when it’s not.

kirkill on September 15, 2009 at 1:15 PM

Don’t forget that cap-n-trade along with higher taxes both are job killers — which hurt the poor and cause a reduction in wealth, so there is less wealth to spread.

rbj on September 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM

Smartest guy in the world and his fellow miscreants want to rerun the depression era play book. High taxes, anti growth, flat earth policies.

What a bag of douche.

Same vinegary after taste with half the calories.

R Square on September 15, 2009 at 1:53 PM

“Mom, I’m hungry and the fridge is empty.”

“Don’t worry, honey, you can have some ethanol”

ZenDraken on September 15, 2009 at 1:54 PM

liberalism = gross stupidity

Bevan on September 15, 2009 at 1:56 PM

Of course the wax man cometh for thy job.

Obviously fewer jobs translates to a smaller “sustainable” carbon footprint.

Term limits are the only way we’re going to get rid of some of the more detestable types (like the wax man) in a timely fashion.

R Square on September 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM

If this administration thinks that the ObamaCare debate has been tough, then they need to hang on to their seats. This one is going to be a wild ride.

d1carter on September 15, 2009 at 12:57 PM

I don’t think so. Health care is an issue that affects everyone personally. So most people are at least somewhat involved in the debate. And it’s easy to frame the debate as do you want a DMV employee making health decisions for you? People understand that at a very basic level.

Cap N Tax? It flies over the heads of most people. They hear “clean energy bill” and think, yeah sure, why not, who doesn’t want clean energy. You have to get into the weeds to understand what exactly the bill means. And most people don’t care enough to do that. Which is why it will pass.

angryed on September 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM

Milk: $6.79 per gallon.

portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Criminy, do you buy it in gold lined bottles or something?
It’s only $2.39 around here.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2009 at 2:03 PM

Cause he’s the wax man…yeah….the wax man!

One, two, three, four…
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)

Let me tell you how it will be;
There’s one for you, nineteen for me.
‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don’t take it all.
‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

(if you drive a car, car;) – I’ll tax the street;
(if you try to sit, sit;) – I’ll tax your seat;
(if you get too cold, cold;) – I’ll tax the heat;
(if you take a walk, walk;) – I’ll tax your feet.

Wax man!

‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

Don’t ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
If you don’t want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

Now my advice for those who die, (wax man)
Declare the pennies on your eyes. (wax man)
‘Cause I’m the wax man,
Yeah, I’m the wax man.

And you’re working for no one but me.

Waxman!

R Square on September 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Ed,

Not to poo poo the chart, but come on….predictions of job losses in 2035? They might as well try to pick the super bowl winners in 2035. I dont’ doubt for a minute that this bill is bad for the economy. But claiming job losses 25 years in the future makes it less believable.

angryed on September 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM

Once Ogabe has forced the price of food through the roof he can come in and start price controls on food items. Of course only state sanctioned food items will be allowed to be produced. It worked so well for the soviets, Chavez, and Mugabe.

daesleeper on September 15, 2009 at 2:07 PM

It’s the activism, stupid.

To succeed, he must be relentlessly activist. As his own instincts tell him, he has no choice but to respond to “the fierce urgency of now.”

Schadenfreude on September 15, 2009 at 2:10 PM

Ogabe Oblada life goes on bra
lala how the life goes on
Ogabe oblada life goes on bra
Lala how the life goes on.

In a couple of years they have a couple of tax credits running in the yard…

R Square on September 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Milk: $6.79 per gallon.

portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I already pay that much… big deal.

I need to buy a cow to get it lower.

upinak on September 15, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Ms. Palin.
BowHuntingTexas on September 15, 2009 at 1:17 PM

What do Piper, Willow, and Bristol have to do with it? :)

Count to 10 on September 15, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Ok, I have been asking this question for awhile. So maybe a big brain or at least someone with resources can shed some light for me.

How much affect will C&T have on the Healthcare Industry. Takes alot to just keep the lights and heart monitors on in a Hospital. I also imagine that sterilized medical equipment(IV’s, Bandages, Scalpels, leeches) take quite a bit of energy to produce. Anyone even concidering this in the Healthcare Conversations?

Dragoonchris on September 15, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Hospitals can turn down the A/C and turn down the lights in surgery.. They can’t do surgery under the punk little CFC bulbs.

seven on September 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Cue the rainbow colored unicorns! Hit the spotlights! Bring Barry on stage to ‘sell, sell, sell’.

GarandFan on September 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Hospitals can turn down the A/C and turn down the lights in surgery.. They can’t do surgery under the punk little CFC bulbs.

seven on September 15, 2009 at 3:15 PM

Surg-reee? No such high falootin’ stuff ‘gwen be havin’ wid ‘Bamacare. Jus take an ass burn n call somebody in da mornin’

Damn Crackerz.
s/

Itchee Dryback on September 15, 2009 at 3:28 PM

“Hey, I wish we could pour gasoline on my cereal. It’s cheaper than milk.”

Milk: $6.79 per gallon.

portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM

I’ll stick with ethanol.

mr.blacksheep on September 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM

Barry’s just lookin’ out for us. We are a nation of fatties so if he makes food more expensive and reduces the amount available we’ll have to ration it and then we’ll all lose weight and life will be beautiful in our new workers paradise. All hail The One, Lord Obama….Oh, and death to Amerikkka you racist thug conservative capitalist pigs. I’m going to feed my unicorn now. Do I really need to put a sarc tag on that?

Oldnuke on September 15, 2009 at 4:06 PM

But Ed, without a simultaneous famine and unemployment crisis, however shall the Congressional Democrats emulate the (thankfully so-far-fictional) Warrick Administration of 2019?

Blacksmith on September 15, 2009 at 4:34 PM

This will torpedo our already- sinking economy.

NTWR on September 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM

I don’t even think it will help Iowa farmers in the long run. It will raise fuel prices and the prices of fertilizer.

Terrye on September 15, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Using corn to make ethanol doesn’t even cut CO2 emissions. For an equal amount of energy released, ethanol releases about the same amount of CO2 as gasoline, and then there’s the fuel burned by farm machinery planting and reaping the corn. The total corn-to-ethanol cycle therefore emits MORE CO2 than simply burning gasoline.

As for prices of other foods, cap-and-trade would also increase electricity costs, which would increase the cost of refrigerating perishable food at wholesale and retail stores, who would pass the costs along to consumers.

Hundreds of experiments have shown that plants grow faster and have higher crop yields in an atmosphere enriched in CO2. Why not let the CO2 into the atmosphere and enjoy a greener, more fertile Earth? A growing world population might need the extra food…

Steve Z on September 15, 2009 at 5:36 PM

Criminy, do you buy it in gold lined bottles or something?
It’s only $2.39 around here.

MarkTheGreat on September 15, 2009 at 2:03 PM

I’ve seen quart bottles of milk for $1.69 in CT, which works out to $6.76 per gallon. To get it cheaper, you need to buy more at a time, and drink it before it goes bad.

Steve Z on September 15, 2009 at 5:39 PM

Most farmers are white=you dont like cap n trade=”you’re a raaaaciiissst!!!!”

@ntif@n on September 15, 2009 at 6:39 PM

NO!

profitsbeard on September 15, 2009 at 8:42 PM

Can’t afford medical care?

No problem! Obamacare will take care of that.

Food prices soaring due to cap’n'trade?

No problem! Death Panels coming to a supermarket near you!

Yes it all makes sense now… kill the poor and eat the rich.

ajacksonian on September 15, 2009 at 9:05 PM

Maybe no one is reading this thread anymore-but my 2 cents is this:
My husband & I ranch in ND-we do not farm.
Many farmers I know are dependent upon govt subsidies in one form or another.
Unfortunately, the system has been rigged to work in favor of being beholden to govt $$.
The only way you will ever be able to be a farmer,or rancher, is:
1. to inherit everything
2. marry into it
3. Be a big corporation with lots of assets (looking for a tax break?)
4. Be a Big AgBiz corp.
I don’t give a crap what the big Ag giants & shills say: Bi ag & cap & trade will be the final death of the family farm & ranch.
Alan Gubert,ag columnist, recently wrote that we should rejoice on cap & trade & roll in the $$ as it comes in.
I do not want to be a govt whore taking their $$ just to stay in business.
This cap & trade will be all our death knell in the family ag industry.
Do you want coporate farms? Do you really think they always have the best interests of the land & animals at heart?
Something’s gotta give-soon.
I am tired of the Walmartiziation of America & the world.
This will cinch it.
Pretty soon, there will only be one or 2 corporation that provide the entire WORLD with the food that people do not individually grow themselves.
That alone should scare the hell out of you.

Badger40 on September 16, 2009 at 1:31 PM