Bush, 2008: “There is no conservative movement”; Update: Palin “unprepared”, McCain “a five-spiral crash”
posted at 9:30 am on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
During the 2008 CPAC convention, George Bush only mentioned the word “conservative” once, in the closing — and apparently that was no accident. A new book by the man who wrote the speech for Bush, staffer Matt Latimer, retells the story in Speechless: Tales of a White House Survivor, and Byron York relates it in today’s Washington Examiner. When Latimer tried to include supportive language about the conservative movement, Bush attempted to set his speechwriter straight:
“What is this movement you keep talking about in the speech?” the president asked Latimer.
Latimer explained that he meant the conservative movement — the movement that gave rise to groups like CPAC.
Bush seemed perplexed. Latimer elaborated a bit more. Then Bush leaned forward, with a point to make.
“Let me tell you something,” the president said. “I whupped Gary Bauer’s ass in 2000. So take out all this movement stuff. There is no movement.”
Bush seemed to equate the conservative movement — the astonishing growth of conservative political strength that took place in the decades after Barry Goldwater’s disastrous defeat in 1964 — with the fortunes of Bauer, the evangelical Christian activist and former head of the Family Research Council whose 2000 presidential campaign went nowhere.
Now it was Latimer who looked perplexed. Bush tried to explain.
“Look, I know this probably sounds arrogant to say,” the president said, “but I redefined the Republican Party.”
I don’t think there’s any doubt about that last statement. Before Bush’s election, the Republican majorities in Congress had worked themselves into a role of fiscal responsibility and a check on Bill Clinton’s more expansive notions of government. After Bush took office, however, the two branches of government went on a spending spree, and not coincidentally a lobbyist lovefest, that threw out the GOP’s credibility on fiscal responsibility in six short years. Bush and his big-spending policies (and K Street strategy) set the stage for the Democrats to seize control of Congress in the 2006 midterms and a Democratic takeover of the White House last year.
Many of us admired Bush for his stalwart policies on national security and the war. But starting in 2002, we began to figure out that Bush was no conservative on domestic policy, but instead at best a centrist, and probably more of a Rockefeller Republican, with one big exception: abortion. It started with his partnership with Ted Kennedy on No Child Left Behind, especially when he threw away school vouchers to keep Kennedy on board, and again with Medicare Part D, a brand new entitlement on an already sinking program.
However, Bush had never been considered a movement conservative before running for President. His father hardly had given any credibility to that claim in his single term in office, and George W Bush’s tenure as governor in Texas revealed him as a centrist accommodator, a man who worked across the aisle to get things done. That reputation was one of the reasons Bush had to choose Dick Cheney as his running mate — in order to get movement conservatives enthused about the ticket against Al Gore and Joe Lieberman.
So, when he said he redefined Republicans, that’s not just arrogance; it’s the truth, and we’re still paying for it. But Bush was wrong when he rejected the notion of a conservative movement, and very wrong when he calculated that Gary Bauer was the leader of it. The conservative movement had to bide its time during the spending spree of the Bush administration, and has been vindicated by the spending insanity of the Democrats afterward. It will outlive the Bushism that alienated people from Republicans as long as the GOP learns its lesson about the long-term commitment to fiscal responsibility.
Update: Well, if those quotes didn’t endear Bush to the Right, these about Sarah Palin will offer even more offense:
“I’m trying to remember if I’ve met her before. I’m sure I must have.” His eyes twinkled, then he asked, “What is she, the governor of Guam?”
Everyone in the room seemed to look at him in horror, their mouths agape. When Ed told him that conservatives were greeting the choice enthusiastically, he replied, “Look, I’m a team player, I’m on board.” He thought about it for a minute. “She’s interesting,” he said again. “You know, just wait a few days until the bloom is off the rose.” Then he made a very smart assessment.
“This woman is being put into a position she is not even remotely prepared for,” he said. “She hasn’t spent one day on the national level. Neither has her family. Let’s wait and see how she looks five days out.”
On the other hand, conservatives might agree with Bush about John McCain:
I was once in the Oval Office when the president was told a campaign event in Phoenix he was to attend with McCain suddenly had to be closed to the press…
“If he doesn’t want me to go, fine,” the president said. “I’ve got better things to do.”
Eventually, someone informed the president that the reason the event was closed was that McCain was having trouble getting a crowd. Bush was incredulous—and to the point. “He can’t get 500 people to show up for an event in his hometown?” he asked. No one said anything, and we went on to another topic. But the president couldn’t let the matter drop. “He couldn’t get 500 people? I could get that many people to turn out in Crawford.” He shook his head. “This is a five-spiral crash, boys.”
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For war crimes not an election. That’s what the trial is for.
Actually just the gonzo six for now.
Spathi on September 15, 2009 at 7:06 PM
The only thing I know about the War of 1812 as it pertains to Canada and America is the story of Laura Secord and her dairy cow, which I hear every Christmas when I get a box of chocolates. And I think the Democrats being virtually indistinguishable from Europeans and Canadians, both policy-wise and in terms of tone, are the reason why you’re seeing such a public backlash. Americans do not want socialism.
It’s good for Canada that they have a capitalist like Harper in power, though I hear that nut who was living in America keeps threatening a special election. Ed Morrissey wrote about how Harper dealt with the last one, and it sounded pretty brilliant. But I assumed there must be conservatives voting for Harper, though I hadn’t met too many in Toronto.
alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Dear President Bush,
You are so right. There is no conservative movement.
Yours,
Harriet Miers
fossten on September 15, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Easily topped with a George Washington quote on the very subject of separating morality from religion.
Unlike your quote, where Washington simply declines to link the U.S. government directly to Christianity.
tom on September 15, 2009 at 7:13 PM
W got it right.
McCain took this poor inexperienced, uneducated governor who hadnt even gotten through half of her term and he threw her out to the wolves. He did it because he delusionally thought he could get the Hillary contingent. Yeah, brilliant. Liberal broads are going to vote for Sarah Palin. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
But, Palin turned out to be worse than expected. It must be easy to win national office in Alaska or something. Poor Sarah not only showed herself to be a simpleton, but not we know she is a total flake. Her “I quit” speech mid way through her ONLY term as governor was one of the greatest knee-slapping hilarious speeches in history. I would have to get seriously stoned to be able to come up with logic like that.
“Uh, I am going to quit because its politics as usual to finish my first and only term cause I am a lame duck and George Washington and Ronald Reagan and Andy Jackson werent effective as lame ducks so I dont want to do politics as usual or something. Plus, I’m stupid.”
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Well, guess what, George. There is one now and we have you and Obama to thank for it.
BetseyRoss on September 15, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Dear Mr. Bush,
I am so glad you are no longer President and thank you for fuging up what was my conservative party. You sure made it easy for BHO and his crew to take the country over. Really, don’t know if I should hate your more than I already do. What a guy you are and to think you really did “I redefined the Republican Party.” just look what we have today.
Best regards, oh, and please do not expect me to support anything you may do in the future, sorry.
foxone on September 15, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Your so “deficited” Fleshy.
Posting the word Palin is like ringing your troll bell.
portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 7:23 PM
In other words, you dont know ANYTHING about the War of 1812. You might consider reading a book or two (not including comic books).
Some of the action took place in Canada but it had nothing to do with Canada. It was due to impressment of sailors and stirring up injuns against Americans. They lit us us pretty good and burned down our capital. The traitors in New England considered secession in the middle of the war. The Northeast has always been a bunch of traitors as Barney Frank and Ted Kennedy has proven.
We started winning a few battles and England had bigger fish to fry (France) so they decided they would rather end the war. But not before the one of the greatest presidents, General Andy Jackson, ol Hickory, kicked some serious British ASS!!!!
Dear God, where is Ol Hickory now? If he were here, he would take a BLOW TORCH to the capitol and burn the bitch down himself.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:23 PM
You are one of the dummies whose only argument is:
“oooh ooooh you misspelled a word ha ha ha ha you misspelled a word na na na na na”
Meanwhile, your arguments would embarrass a dog.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:24 PM
You also forget apostrophe’s, pluralize words that don’t need to be, and generally not a nice troll.
I think your stupidity is immortalized in HotAir memory banks. Let us bask in it’s humor…..at the expense of your thin skin of course.
portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Wow, you dont know anything about The War of 1812.
You might consider reading a book or two (non-comicbook variety).
The war had nothing to do with Canada…although some battles were fought there…and lost by the Americans.
Also of note, New England considered secession from the union as they didnt like the war. New England has always been about being a bunch of traitors…see Ted Kennedy and Barny Frank for further evidence.
The war was about british impressment of US Sailors and the Brits instigating the injuns to kill americans in the wilderness.
The brits won most battles and torched our capital. But, the Americans started doing better and, most importantly, England had much bigger fish to fry (France) and didnt want to keep being diverted in this silly war. So, they sought a negotiated peace.
But not before the hero, Andrew Jackson, ol Hickory, one of the greatest presidents in American History beat the living hell out of those brits sons of beyotches in New Orleans.
Dear Lord…we need Ol Hickory today. If Ol Hickory were here HE WOULD TAKE A BLOWTORCH TO THE CAPITOL AND BURN IT TO THE GROUND BY GOD!!!!
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:38 PM
Yours wouldn’t
entagor on September 15, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Tell you what, genius. Show me where I forgot an apostrophe and where I used a plural format when I should have used the singular.
Put up or shut up, you troll.
Way to embarrass yourself.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:41 PM
ooops, sorry about the double post, folks. getting used to the forum here.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:43 PM
Bush was a neoconservative. That means a conservative in name only. The “Neo” part is the part where they toss aside the old fiscal responsibility and social conservatism of what we we now call paleoconservatism, in favor of a new globalism, diplomacy, big government, and political correctness. Or as Bush, himself, boasted before the election of 2000, “compassionate” conservatism.
The neocons sold out the Republic by selling out the people who voted GOP. Let’s hope the neocon movement is dead.
keep the change on September 15, 2009 at 7:44 PM
Well, considering that Canada was British territory at the time…
Yes, before. The Battle of New Orleans was a “needless” battle.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 7:45 PM
When even W can pwn McCain, you know you are in trouble. W was right. Palin was thrown to the wolves. But, even W couldnt imagine the horror of the 1/2 term governor’s interviews with Katie Couric.
**shudder**
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:45 PM
Well, just wait til they get hold of Mitt. Again. *shudder*
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 7:48 PM
Bush a Rockefeller Republican? No Way!!!!!!!!!!!! sarc/
True_King on September 15, 2009 at 7:48 PM
That is a common misconception, my friend. It is true that the war treaty was already signed prior to the battle. However, most of the better historians will point out that if Britain had won the Battle of New Orleans, there is no way in HOLY HELL that they would have given it back to the U.S., treaty or no treaty.
It was disputed territory before the battle anyway. Britain would assuredly have kept it.
Plus, the battle gave a HUGE morale boost to the Americans at a time when the Americans were wondering if it was worth even being a union of states.
So, the battle of New Orleans was important and it was far from “needless”.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:48 PM
End of.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 7:49 PM
Well, if the party is going to choose McCain types again and result in us having Obama, so be it. I am already convinced that the dumb part of the party (the Palin types) are going to make sure we lose the next presidential election to Obama…so I dont care dude.
We get what we deserve….and we deserve Obama.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM
The Brits had bigger fish to fry.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 7:51 PM
Yeah, genius. I just said that I don’t know much about the War of 1812, or care really, and I don’t read comic books, either. My comment about Laura Secord was a reference that I know the Canadians sided with the British and fought against us. Some battles were fought and lost there (Laura Secord’s farm was just on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls in Queenston), and as our Canadian friend snidely pointed out, those battles did not go well for us. I kind of wish we’d let the Canadians keep Detroit, though.
alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 7:52 PM
I so enjoy your posts. Especially ones that exude your disdain for “commoners” who are obviously enchanted with your lack of knowledge.
What is so strange is your hate for Sarah Palin, and your adoration of Andrew Jackson. Jackson was a populist, which is a label Palin often gets.
Jackson’s presidency was considered “The Revolution of 1828” in that he was the first president elected outside of the eastern aristocracy. He was sent to Washington DC by the “common” man, much like the grassroots support Sarah Palin has.
Jackson was considered a “Hick” from the Carolinas by the establishment of the east, much like Sarah Palin.
What say you Fleshy?
portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Romney was pretty much a McCain type himself. Philosophically I don’t detect much of a difference there.
What’s that say for Romney?
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 7:52 PM
Not sure what you are trying to say here.
It might be better for you to come clean and admit you dont know what you are talking about.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:53 PM
I’m saying they had bigger, Napoleonic fish to fry. They wanted to be done with conflict with the US.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 7:54 PM
TN Mom on September 15, 2009 at 7:55 PM
Here:
here:
I put up. So you shut up. Okay?
portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 7:56 PM
If you cant detect a difference between Romney and McCain, thats your problem. Its like an IQ test…and you failed.
Losing an election when you are the best man for the job is nothing to be ashamed of. Jesus Christ himself wouldnt be elected in the country or nominated in our party if he were running…so how the hell can a man like Romney have a chance. Reagan wouldnt have a chance either. Neither would George Washington.
And the sad thing….some airhead in Alaska would have a better chance then those heroes.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:56 PM
Republicans used the reconciliation process to push through drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge — which is also arguably a major policy initiative that isn’t just a revenue bill?
Precedent?
ouch
Spathi on September 15, 2009 at 7:56 PM
I already made that point…so if you were just agreeing with me, I apologize for the insult.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 7:57 PM
A Democrat who attempts to arrest and “extradite” Republicans for trial overseas for their Republican policies is going to face widespread violence in the United States.
Chris_Balsz on September 15, 2009 at 7:57 PM
Which is why he voted for TARP?
SagebrushPuppet on September 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM
Medicare part D
jhffmn on September 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM
But of course. Anyone who doesn’t see Romney as a squish who has no hope nationally is someone of exceptional intelligence. Right.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 7:58 PM
But you failed first Fleshy. Never forget.
portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 8:00 PM
You make that point, before saying that there was NO WAY IN HELL the Brits would have relinquished whatever they gained in Lousiana.
Admit that you just don’t know how to discuss.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 8:00 PM
* Louisiana, for the purists
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 8:01 PM
I don’t read that as Bush being that negative about Palin.
He was making an honest and truthful assessment. Palin wasn’t prepared for national politics. That’s what I and so many others liked about her. Most politicians are so packaged by the time they get to the national level that you might as well be buying a pig in a poke.
Like he said, Palin was an interesting choice- and I think one of the few things McCain did right in that campaign. She helped him more than she hurt him.
Sackett on September 15, 2009 at 8:06 PM
They would NOT have given back Lousiana or any territory gained in that battle. that has nothing to do with them wanting to put an end to the general hostilities of The War of 1812 so they could focus on France. Just like they would defend Canada despite the treaty…so they wouldve defended New Orleans.
But, hey, thats just what credible historians and people who know what they are talking about believe. Perhaps we should check with Sarah Palin and ask her for her view on this. I can see it now:
Q: So what do you think about this argument, Sarah? What is your view on this?
Answer by Ms Palin: I am sure. Thinkin is hard. Stop makin stuff up. Leave the new governor’s family alone. Oh and by the way, what was the year the War of 1812 started anyhow??
HA HA HA HA HA AH
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 8:13 PM
Chris_Balsz,
Really? Obama has a large standing army unlike the days when people marched on the Capital to make sure Jefferson was made president.
States no longer have the power to rebel.
Spathi on September 15, 2009 at 8:19 PM
The difference being they already had Canada and Canadians had no desire to become absorbed into the US or to be “liberated”.
It has everything to do with it.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 8:20 PM
You’re both right.
They would not have wanted to remain among and between and downstream of the Yankees.
They would not have abandoned it.
They would have traded it away for concessions on the Great Lakes and perhaps stripped the Louisiana Purchase of the Rocky Mountain approaches.
Chris_Balsz on September 15, 2009 at 8:24 PM
No it doesnt. Lousiana wasnt part of the U.S. at the time either, genius.
Try reading The Life Of Andrew Jackson or The War of 1812 if you want to try to be less dumb. However a warning: Neither of those books is in comic book format and they dont even have lots of pictures. In fact, some of the words in those books are college type words. You will struggle.
However, at least you might be able to figure out when the War of 1812 started…Palin couldnt. HA HA HA
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 8:26 PM
Remember all, it IS National Starve A Troll Month,
~starting today.
Consider it the secular Ramadan for Bloggers.
profitsbeard on September 15, 2009 at 8:27 PM
That is a very feasible scenario. Who knows…but that is as good a prediction as any. But, dont say we are both right. This ddrintin guy says the Battle of New Orleans was needless battle. So, he is Palinish in his understanding of American history.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 8:28 PM
What? No “Pros and Cons of Hitchiking” or “Momentary Lapse of Reason”?
JohnGalt23 on September 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM
Napoleon sold the Louisiana Territory to the US in 1803. The, um, Louisiana Purchase. Genius.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 8:33 PM
It was. It had no bearing on the final results of the war. The war was already over.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 8:36 PM
The Bush legacy: Obama
paulsur on September 15, 2009 at 8:37 PM
He himself has none. The United States has a few hundred thousand.
Do you believe they’d fire into the mob? We don’t have many MacArthurs in our officer corps.
The People still have the power to riot. And if you declare the guarantees to life, liberty, due process, and the soveriegnity of the United States to be null and void, transcended by the laws of Spain, and send losers of the political process to Europe for life imprisonment, then you’re going to have your hands full.
I don’t understand how the Left imagines everything is flexible in the Constitution — except our blind obedience to its officers.
Chris_Balsz on September 15, 2009 at 8:38 PM
It is quite clear. Someone is feeling might inadequate.
Drive a Hummer for the wrong reason?
CWforFreedom on September 15, 2009 at 8:39 PM
LMAO!!!
shhhhhh
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 8:41 PM
Oh dear Lord. Have you graduated from high school yet?
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 8:43 PM
Yeah, but apparently you had some trouble there.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 8:44 PM
Look up the word pompous or is a like to say pompasssss
CWforFreedom on September 15, 2009 at 8:45 PM
This is the type that sits in judgement of Sarah Palin’s intellect.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Remember: Feed A Troll, breed a buffoon.
profitsbeard on September 15, 2009 at 8:47 PM
Oh the buffoon has already been hatched my dear boy
CWforFreedom on September 15, 2009 at 8:48 PM
OK.
This is the last time I do ddrintn a favor and attempt to educate the moron. I would be charitable but I dont care for dumb people who put down smarter people. I dont mind dumb people. I dont mind people smarter than me. But, I dont care for dumb people who think they are smarter than me.
Here you go, genius:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Louisiana_Purchase
There is a map of the territory the U.S. picked up with the Louisiana Purchase. See anything interesting, brainboy?
Notice that Florida and New Orleans area is NOT covered by the Louisiana Purchase?
There you go. Now you are smarter than Sarah Palin. I mean, she thinks Africa is a country. HA HA HA HA
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM
Pompous and Childish do not an adult make
CWforFreedom on September 15, 2009 at 8:56 PM
Something weird goes on in these threads.
The regular normal trolls have about 10 talking points
and
the anti-Palin trolls have their common 10 talking points
I really do wonder if they are not the same person. If the are not it is freaky.
CWforFreedom on September 15, 2009 at 8:58 PM
Don’t know if this has been said yet but this is the reason his approval rating was in the 30s. First, he wasn’t going to satisfy the Dems and libs no matter what he did. That knocks off 35%. Second, when he quit acting like a Republican (i.e. spent like a drunk sailor, let Teddy write the Education bill, didn’t secure the border, tried to push through illegal alien amnesty, etc.), that made folks like me, who ordinarily would have approved of the job he was doing, mad as hell. So there went another 35%. Add the two and you have 70% of the people ticked off at him.
ncborn on September 15, 2009 at 9:05 PM
In The Flesh is The Wall/Roger Waters/The Edge/ Misc. aliases.
You have been found out. You’d think getting banned 4 times somebody would get the hint.
portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Wikipedia, which someone above wanted to use for a trump point about it not including the City of New Orleans, states:
“The Louisiana Purchase…includ[ed] the City of New Orleans…”.
Jefferson originally ONLY wanted to buy New Orleans, for $10 million dollars.
But was dumbfounded that for $5 million more he could get the entire Midwest thrown in by France.
(Reading comprehension is affected by the ubiquitous and notorious t-roll of fat over the eyes and infesting the cranial regions, clearly.)
profitsbeard on September 15, 2009 at 9:11 PM
Right. A wiki fan like Flesh could also have read this in the New Orleans article:
“In April 1803, Napoleon sold Louisiana (which then included portions of more than a dozen present-day states) to the United States in the Louisiana Purchase. A French prefect, Pierre Clément de Laussat, who had arrived in New Orleans on March 23, 1803 formally took control of Louisiana for France on November 30, only to hand it over to the United States on December 20. In the meantime he created New Orleans’ first city council.”
What do ya say, genius?
By the way, the Treaty of Ghent of 1814 stipulated that national boundaries were to remain just as they were before the war. Brain boy.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 9:15 PM
Who or what is The Edge?
You are delusional.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 9:29 PM
And you’ve shown what an ignorant though pompous ass you are. Go away.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM
I always trust the liberal media.And obama ? suck my big white penis…larry sinclair says youd like it.Puss.
theTarCzar on September 15, 2009 at 9:32 PM
Palin 60% obama 40 % =that he managed to get on food stamps.even though their lazy assess dont deserve it+ACORN!!!
theTarCzar on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 PM
oh yeah and Pink Floyd sux major ass
theTarCzar on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 PM
This is by far the most disappointing thread I’ve read at Hot Air. Normally the most juvenile of trolls gets boiled here. Maybe the new enrollment hurt the quality of posting.
psychocyber on September 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM
A real Texas Bush Leaguer!!
chickasaw42 on September 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Very interesting. Call me ignorant, but this post was a real eye-opener to me.
Achilles on September 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM
Yeah. Real nice job, dumbass.
SoulGlo on September 15, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Hey, at least he said Obama “didn’t have a clue.” :)
AnninCA on September 15, 2009 at 10:08 PM
In The Flesh–you sure get carried away with yourself, don’t you? And, I’m not impressed…
lovingmyUSA on September 15, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Sorry but this post was so good I had to post it again
entagor on September 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Well, I agree with Bush in that quote, there, same as with his judgements there.
The quotes about Bauer and such, they’re realistic and accurate, though difficult to deal with, granted. But, I’d never refer to Goldwater as a Conservative, nor as a symbol or representative of Conservativism; Goldwater wasn’t a Conservative.
There’s a lot of overtaking today of Conservativism by Liberals who can’t tolerate the DNC (Libertarians). They’ve confused the terms: Conservative does not mean “social liberal” but Libertarians, many of them, hold Goldwater up as a symbol of who a Conservative is(was).
Perhaps the smart thing to do is to just keep the political parties apart from the social-positioning groups. The GOP should remain the Party of smaller government and lower taxes (among many other things), strong on national security and the military as to defense and technology innovations, supporter of small business and developer of many opportunities for business and individual growth (reduction of restrictions, reduction of regulations), FOR tort reform AND for protections of the unborn and for the defense of marriage (between one man and one woman) and for decreased unionization in public education (gotta’ decentralize the current Dept. of Ed. grasp on our nation’s childrens’ minds and characters).
These things are sensible and supportable for most on the Right and in the Moderate Middle. All the gradations of who is who and what is what are exhausting and never-ending in argument and difference, so, thus, they ought to be shelved a great deal when in consideration of these other, more important political needs and positions (^^).
Lourdes on September 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Chris_Balsz,
Most people support the rule of law. Besides conservatives rarely “riot” and the military follows orders from their Commander N’ Chief despite people wishing they didn’t. That’s just how it is.
Also if Bush was torturing, then he should be held to account just as Liddy England was.
He is not above the law.
Spathi on September 15, 2009 at 10:54 PM
President Bush, you were only a governor when you ran for president.
rlwo2008 on September 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM
I guess In The Flesh slunk away until the next thread that mentions Palin…
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 10:59 PM
Settle down, Gomer!
JohnGalt23 on September 15, 2009 at 11:03 PM
Uh..
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=N2U2MjBhYmMzNTE2YjI1NjVlZTE2NTNkYzQzZjdjYTM=
Dana Perino all but calls him a liar..
Partisan on September 15, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Hey Bullsass, that sure was a long post. A lot of typing. And I am not even an Obama fan. Talk about pwned. Dont you feel stupid now? You sure look stupid.
Oh darn. I bet Sarah Palin isnt impressed with Albert Einstein neither. You betcha.
You’re ignorant.
I am guessing The Backstreet Boys and Culture Club is more to your taste.
Go away? Let me think about it. Hmmmm. Ok. Here is your answer: Bite me.
Dear mods, please note the junior high school level of vulgar discourse by theTarCzar or the fagWag or whatever she is….please ban it. thanks in advance!!
Oh and it is a fact that Sarah Palin thought Africa was a country. But that was before she finished her half term as a governor in the state with a population the size of a medium city.
Plus, she cant name any newspapers.
Utter fail.
In The Flesh on September 15, 2009 at 11:18 PM
Hypocricy is thy name “In the Flesh” “The Wall” “The Final Cut” “Roger Waters”.
Your childish antics haven’t changed. I got you banned twice now. Care for a third my little BYU friend?
portlandon on September 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM
Now you’re talking about something in which you have some expertise.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 11:29 PM
So now that we’ve figured out this is the Pink Floyd troll who has been banned four times, can we drop the banhammer again? Reunion ban?
I know he actually engaged in debate this time instead of his usual DUHR DUHR AFRICA DUHR NEWSPAPERS, but that didn’t last long. The mods remember why they banned him. Because he inevitably brings the level of discourse down and disrupts the threads, harasses users and drives people away.
As in fewer page clicks and advertising revenue.
alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 11:31 PM
Awww po wittle twoll can’t take it..Po wittle twol cwies to mommy to help
Oh boy, say it is a fact makes it so?? Yep another troll using the Soros funded websites as ‘proof’
For your homework junior, compare and contrast Arkansas, the home of Wille “Stick a cigar in a girl the same age as my daughter” clinton and Alaska in terms of economic importance. Oops, sorry, that is way past your grade level
She cleverly avoided a set up question. Oh, BTW – have you noticed the declining readership of the lamestream birdcage liners? Can your limited cognative capacity grasp the significance of that?? thought not…
Utter idiocy to think so on your part.
Oh, and response to
Wow, thanks, I haven’t heard that kind of Nyah Nyah stuff since third grade. Oh, you aren’t an Obama fan?? I suppose you are going to tell us you are a dedicated loyal conservative republican or independent.. Aye Captain Ahab… another Moby..
So, if you aren’t an obama fan, then you will readily admit that Sarah Palin was more qualified than obama and that obama has made one mistake after another.. Right Moby???
bullseye on September 15, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Oh BTW – when Sarah Palin was first announced as a VP candidate, I saw a lot of similarities to Theodore Roosevelt. Yes, there are some major differences as TR was born into an elite family, but there are other traits that seem to unite the two.
The left and pseudo right tend to underestimate her. Keep in mind that the only reason the party bosses had TR run for VP was to keep him out of the NY Governor’s mansion. I think it was Mark Hannah who said to the president “your only duty is to stay alive to keep that madman out of office”.
Both TR and SP are believers in the strenuous life. SP runs for fun in 30 below weather much like TR and his Washington Blizzrard horse ride. Both are true reformers. Those who have their snouts in the public trough hate people like TR and SP.
The left used Alinsky Tactics to go after SP by going after her children. They shot their wad with that attack as she is redefining the game. She warned us about obama and his marxism while the rest of the republican “Leadershit” sat with their thumbs firmly in various bodily orifices.
Our Republic has a chance. We have people like SP who show true leadership. We also have things like a business commentator making an offhand comment about tea parties that results in 2 million people marching on washington. Reminds me a bit of the ‘shot heard round the world’
bullseye on September 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM
The London Telegraph adds a few more quotes Latimer attributes to Bush their latest edition. No doubt these are going to make the morning shows ahead of any ACORN story on Wednesday:
jon1979 on September 15, 2009 at 11:48 PM
Heh…now those quotes I like, whether they’re real or not.
ddrintn on September 15, 2009 at 11:50 PM
I would say so!
Seriously, he had to be one of the worst Republican POTUS in history.
Cr4sh Dummy on September 16, 2009 at 12:03 AM
SP is more philosophically correct from my standpoint…much more so than McCain or the dems. But, McCain shouldve found a conservative that is smarter than a tree stump….he didnt. Plus, not only is she dumber than a tree stump…she is totally flaky as we are learning every week. Sending her daughter who got knocked up as the poster child of abstinence even though the week before she said abstinence is not reasonable. Cancelling all her obligations and then BLAMING HER OWN ORGANIZATION. But the flaky factor will never ever ever ever be more pronounced than we she gave that “I quit” speech in the most bizarre, strange, and devoid-of-logic speech I have ever heard. I can only hope that she was high when she gave that speech….because it was fricking nuts. It was a rambling, psychotic goof-ball speech. She said she was quitting cause she doesnt like politics as usual and being a lame duck is politics as usual. Oh brother…what a clown. HA A HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
Plus, she shouldve stayed home and watched her kids so they wouldnt get knocked up by the biggest ahole loser in Alaska…and then she let them shack up in her home before they were married.
Also, I predict that SP and her hubby will get divorced from what I hear. She aint running for president, fools. She knows she couldnt make it throught he first debate.
In The Flesh on September 16, 2009 at 12:27 AM
Which drugs are you on tonite anyway?
In The Flesh on September 16, 2009 at 12:29 AM
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