Bush, 2008: “There is no conservative movement”; Update: Palin “unprepared”, McCain “a five-spiral crash”

posted at 9:30 am on September 15, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

During the 2008 CPAC convention, George Bush only mentioned the word “conservative” once, in the closing — and apparently that was no accident.  A new book by the man who wrote the speech for Bush, staffer Matt Latimer, retells the story in Speechless: Tales of a White House Survivor, and Byron York relates it in today’s Washington Examiner.  When Latimer tried to include supportive language about the conservative movement, Bush attempted to set his speechwriter straight:

“What is this movement you keep talking about in the speech?” the president asked Latimer.

Latimer explained that he meant the conservative movement — the movement that gave rise to groups like CPAC.

Bush seemed perplexed. Latimer elaborated a bit more. Then Bush leaned forward, with a point to make.

“Let me tell you something,” the president said. “I whupped Gary Bauer’s ass in 2000. So take out all this movement stuff. There is no movement.”

Bush seemed to equate the conservative movement — the astonishing growth of conservative political strength that took place in the decades after Barry Goldwater’s disastrous defeat in 1964 — with the fortunes of Bauer, the evangelical Christian activist and former head of the Family Research Council whose 2000 presidential campaign went nowhere.

Now it was Latimer who looked perplexed. Bush tried to explain.

“Look, I know this probably sounds arrogant to say,” the president said, “but I redefined the Republican Party.”

I don’t think there’s any doubt about that last statement.  Before Bush’s election, the Republican majorities in Congress had worked themselves into a role of fiscal responsibility and a check on Bill Clinton’s more expansive notions of government.  After Bush took office, however, the two branches of government went on a spending spree, and not coincidentally a lobbyist lovefest, that threw out the GOP’s credibility on fiscal responsibility in six short years.  Bush and his big-spending policies (and K Street strategy) set the stage for the Democrats to seize control of Congress in the 2006 midterms and a Democratic takeover of the White House last year.

Many of us admired Bush for his stalwart policies on national security and the war.  But starting in 2002, we began to figure out that Bush was no conservative on domestic policy, but instead at best a centrist, and probably more of a Rockefeller Republican, with one big exception: abortion.  It started with his partnership with Ted Kennedy on No Child Left Behind, especially when he threw away school vouchers to keep Kennedy on board, and again with Medicare Part D, a brand new entitlement on an already sinking program.

However, Bush had never been considered a movement conservative before running for President. His father hardly had given any credibility to that claim in his single term in office, and George W Bush’s tenure as governor in Texas revealed him as a centrist accommodator, a man who worked across the aisle to get things done.  That reputation was one of the reasons Bush had to choose Dick Cheney as his running mate — in order to get movement conservatives enthused about the ticket against Al Gore and Joe Lieberman.

So, when he said he redefined Republicans, that’s not just arrogance; it’s the truth, and we’re still paying for it.  But Bush was wrong when he rejected the notion of a conservative movement, and very wrong when he calculated that Gary Bauer was the leader of it.  The conservative movement had to bide its time during the spending spree of the Bush administration, and has been vindicated by the spending insanity of the Democrats afterward.  It will outlive the Bushism that alienated people from Republicans as long as the GOP learns its lesson about the long-term commitment to fiscal responsibility.

Update: Well, if those quotes didn’t endear Bush to the Right, these about Sarah Palin will offer even more offense:

“I’m trying to remember if I’ve met her before. I’m sure I must have.” His eyes twinkled, then he asked, “What is she, the governor of Guam?”

Everyone in the room seemed to look at him in horror, their mouths agape. When Ed told him that conservatives were greeting the choice enthusiastically, he replied, “Look, I’m a team player, I’m on board.” He thought about it for a minute. “She’s interesting,” he said again. “You know, just wait a few days until the bloom is off the rose.” Then he made a very smart assessment.

“This woman is being put into a position she is not even remotely prepared for,” he said. “She hasn’t spent one day on the national level. Neither has her family. Let’s wait and see how she looks five days out.”

On the other hand, conservatives might agree with Bush about John McCain:

I was once in the Oval Office when the president was told a campaign event in Phoenix he was to attend with McCain suddenly had to be closed to the press…

“If he doesn’t want me to go, fine,” the president said. “I’ve got better things to do.”

Eventually, someone informed the president that the reason the event was closed was that McCain was having trouble getting a crowd. Bush was incredulous—and to the point. “He can’t get 500 people to show up for an event in his hometown?” he asked. No one said anything, and we went on to another topic. But the president couldn’t let the matter drop. “He couldn’t get 500 people? I could get that many people to turn out in Crawford.” He shook his head. “This is a five-spiral crash, boys.”

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“but I redefined nearly killed the Republican Party.”

angryed on September 15, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Wow. Is this true, W? Stand up & set the record straight if it’s not.

itsnotaboutme on September 15, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Sure there is, there are just reconsidering their ties to the Republican Party.

The Republcian party will come around and flush the McCains.

Elizabetty on September 15, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Many of us admired Bush for his stalwart policies on national security and the war.

You omitted the most important one–he was heroic on the pro-life front.

itsnotaboutme on September 15, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Roberts and Alito are the gifts that keep on giving, too.

Wethal on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

There you go all of you Bush kissers. I can’t tell you how many times I was banned from a certain (conservative) website [not HOTAIR] because I stated that Bush certainly was NOT a conservative.

Bush gave us BO, pure and simple.

I feel so vindicated.

stenwin77 on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

oops…I should’ve read the whole column before sumbitting that last comment! My bad.

itsnotaboutme on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Troll alert….they are gonna love this one.

milwife88 on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Should have kept the vouchers and thrown Teddy overboard.

Imagine the fun the GOP would have had protraying Teddy opposed to aid to education. “Bipartisanship” meant (and still does) caving in to Dems.

Wethal on September 15, 2009 at 9:36 AM

This is more justification that Bush wasn’t hated for being conservative. He was hated because he’s a Republican.

Now what would Reagan Do?

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Bush was no conservative on domestic policy, but instead at best a centrist, and probably more of a Rockefeller Republican

LOL

Proud Rino on September 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

stenwin77 on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Who is a Bush kisser with his dismal approval rating? Libs hate him because of the “R” behind his name, moderates believe the media biased reporting against him, & conservatives are disgusted by his spending.

itsnotaboutme on September 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

The fact that Bush still gets praised by so called conservatives is a bit ridiculous. The only good things he did were finish the Iraq War instead of abandoning it, cut taxes, and Alito/Roberts. His domestic agenda wasn’t even close to being conservative. Even daddy Bush was better, overall.

Conservatives should move on and repudiate most of W’s policies. They’re not conservative in a lot of areas.

therightwinger on September 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I think my son’ll like this book–he likes GWB much less than I do, for precisely those reasons.

I think we’ve got quite a conservative movement going since he left office, though. :)

Bob's Kid on September 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

So, when he said he redefined Republicans, that’s not just arrogance; it’s the truth, and we’re still paying for it.

60 Democrat Senators. That’s how he redefined Republicans.

Thanks, Chief.

Cicero43 on September 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

stenwin77 on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Bush didn’t give us BO. McCain did.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Cheney 43. Rice 44.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

There was much about Bush I did like but much I did not. Having said that I will point out a similarity Bush with Obama. They have both concealed the intentions of their agenda to the people. We should learn from this deception and hold future “conservative” candidates accountable before putting their names in the voting booth.

No more ‘centrist’ conservatives.

shick on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

All this time I thought is was accidental. I had no idea it was deliberate.

I knew that Bush the Elder was no conservative, but I thought that at least Bush the Younger acknowledged conservative principles. Sounds like Bush the Younger confuses conservative with religious, yet proudly proclaims his Christian belief. There’s a disconnect there.

Need more evidence from other sources.

Skandia Recluse on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Bush didn’t give us BO. McCain did.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Actually, Fred Thompson did. Fred was brought into the race to get McCain nominated.

Elizabetty on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

stenwin77 on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Bush didn’t give us BO. McCain did.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

lots of things did
it cannot be placed on one person or thing

blatantblue on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Let the record speak for itself:

Kennedy “education” bill
Massive senior citizen drug plan
TARP

SouthernGent on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Roberts and Alito are the gifts that keep on giving, too.

Wethal on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Probably the two best things to come out of the Bush years – well, plus denying Gore and Kerry.

Heh.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Bravo, Ed. This is one of the most important posts you’ve had on Hot Air in a long while, and you are consistently good. We respect Bush for keeping America safe and believing in freedom. But the accommodation, turning a blind eye to corruption and the irresponsible spending were a betrayal of the GOP.

alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

What also hurt is that the MSM called him a conservative. Domestically he was no cvonservative.

The only positive domestic fiscal-related move I can think of was his tax cuts, which, if McCain had got his way, would have also included spending cuts.

WashJeff on September 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM

I agree that he was no true conservative, and I LOVED him as Governor (he had to compromise some, the lead position is kinda weak in this state– go figure, we distrusted central leaders), but did he really say this?? Sorry, but I am a little distrustful of this stuff. Guess we’ll see. But who knows? W never seemed as strong in defending himself as he did America.

XWing5 on September 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Bush had his good points and bad points. But if you’re tempted to wish he wasn’t our former president, think “president Al Gore.” Yikes, I’ll take Bush any day.

Daggett on September 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM

This strikes me as silly. Gary Bauer was not some great fiscal conservative. He was mainly a social conservative to the right of Bush.

Speedwagon82 on September 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Bush saddled us with the first bailouts, too.

Bush was stalwart when he had strong convictions on an issue, and I loved that about him when it came to defense and abortion issues. I’ve always suspected that he didn’t even attempt to hold to fiscal conservatism because he simply lacked that value.

And why on earth would he even comment on beating Gary Bauer? Was it even a contest? That’s strange.

TexasDan on September 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Actions speak louder than words, they say. In this case, his actions prove his words. Domestically Bush was a disaster. And perroviejo, I disagree with you. Bush did give us BO…McCain just sealed the deal.

MainelyRight on September 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM

O/T

Ed, Major poll shift on HRC per RAS.

46/52.

Bye, bye bounce.

artist on September 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Cheney 43. Rice 44.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Can we assume you mean Liz?

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Bush didn’t give us BO. McCain did.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

They both did. Ogabe would’ve creamed any of the other candidates. We never really had a shot in 2008.

Darth Executor on September 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

I like and respect Bush and some of his policies and I do believe his heart was in the right place but he and his brand of ‘compassionate conservatism’ are why I went Libertarian. I still vote Republican most of the time nationally but I support Libertarians locally.

Monica on September 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Ugg…

This is not shocking. Its easy to rally around Bush if for no other reason than the crap he’s taken from the left but this all points to being true, whether or not this anecdote is or not.

I still like the guy but domestically, he was not a good president.

Texas74 on September 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

Before Bush’s election, the Republican majorities in Congress had worked themselves into a role of fiscal responsibility and a check on Bill Clinton’s more expansive notions of government.

That is not true Ed. Newt Gingrichs congress was 50% smoke and mirrors. His like all congress’ since the Johnson administration was stealing from Social Security to balance the budget, throw in a stock bubble and voila! Yet Gingrich always wants to take credit for “balancing” the budget. The GOP was on this path long before George Bush became presidetn. If the GOP weren’t already on this path he would not have been POTUS.

Theworldisnotenough on September 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

For all the faults Bush had, he did what he thought was in the best interest of the country. Obama….not so much.

angryed on September 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

For good or bad, this Bush quote explains everything.

myrenovations on September 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Cicero43 on September 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

Amen

flytier on September 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

I voted for Steve Forbes in the 2000 primaries. ALWAYS mistrusted ALL the Bushes.

I’m not quite ready to be believe the quotes just yet, however…

The problem is that the establishment GOP isn’t conservative… yet they give us candidates that pretend to be conservative. Bush may have “whupped” Bauer’s backside, but a) Bauer was a horrible candidate and b) he did it by pretending he was a conservative (how often did he mention Reagan?).

McCain pretended he was a conservative too.

mankai on September 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Can we assume you mean Liz?

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM

Hint: Obama 45.

Cheney recently said that Dubya stopped listening to him after the 2004 election. So we’ve now had two black female presidents and we need someone with balls like Cheney … Sarah.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM

This strikes me as silly. Gary Bauer was not some great fiscal conservative. He was mainly a social conservative to the right of Bush.

Speedwagon82 on September 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM

I think too many non-conservatives think conservative equals social conservative. Specifically, all conservatives want to legislate morals at the federal level.

WashJeff on September 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM

We never really had a shot in 2008.

Darth Executor on September 15, 2009 at 9:43 AM

I agree. We need a younger true conservative. I like Liz Cheney.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM

This is not new news! He had great leadership qualities and was adamant on the war on terror but financially responsible he was not especially later on.

ohiobabe on September 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM

So, its a big surprise W had no idea what the “conservative movement” is/was? Don’t think so. Someone will jump up and claim this is all fabricated by the media. But remember this one?

“I chucked my principals.”

That’s W’s own one-sentence summation of his second term.

Good first term; disasterous second. And for the last time, no, he obviously was not a conservative. Country club GOP all the way.

james23 on September 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM

While we’re knocking down some walls… the notion of Karl Rove as some kind of “genius” has to go too. He’s as much at fault for the failure of Republican rule as Bush. He also “redefined” the GOP.

mankai on September 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM

“I redefined the Republican Party.”

You sure did, pal. You pretty much guaranteed Obama’s (or any Democrat’s) victory in 2008 and relegated the Republicans to minority status for at least the next decade.

Vote Libertarian. For *real* change.

RayinVA on September 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM

I still miss 43.

txag92 on September 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

On balance Bush did more good than not.

I give him credit for trying on Social Security. Definitely points for the tax cuts he got through, but they are erased by the spending, Medicare and government (non war) expanding.

Roberts and Alito were excellent picks in my view but he almost blew that one too with Meyers.

Dash on September 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

“W”destroyed the republican party.

apoole on September 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Finally! I voted W for president on two occasions. I held my nose but I voted for him. He was never a conservative despite championing a few conservative causes such as, tax cuts, supremes, and forigen policy. No scialist education left behind, medicare and especially TARP drove me nuts. However the worst thing he did was sign campaign finance reform. I do feel that the conservative movement is once again gaining steam thanks to god jr.

chicken thief on September 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I agree. We need a younger true conservative. I like Liz Cheney.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:45 AM

She’ll make a good VP in 2012 and pres in 2020. Sarah has a much higher profile.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

“W” is still part of the “country Club” Republicans I despise. I’ll stay away from the GOP until they get back to the principles of Reagan.

Jeff from WI on September 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

This is only going to spur more third party talk. Say hello to Obama’s second term.

D0WNT0WN on September 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

I couldn’t care less about this story.

But, that picture of Bush is funny.

bridgetown on September 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Time for the “new 56″ to stand up, and hit the reset button in the GOP and in our government.

No time like the present for a do-over.

Leo_Pusateri on September 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

This confirms what I’ve always thought about the Bushes…. all of them! It explains why Jeb Bush said, “The Reagan era is over” before they went on their “listening tour” which seemed to fall apart after one stop.

This is why the tea party movement is against big government, not in alignment with either major party.

PrincipledPilgrim on September 15, 2009 at 9:49 AM

No more ‘centrist’ conservatives.

shick on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

And qualifying “conservative” by calling himself “compassionate conservative” was a warning many of us missed.

jgapinoy on September 15, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Say hello to Obama’s second term.

D0WNT0WN on September 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

He may not need one.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Bush 43 used his religion as a point from which to jump towards big government programs

blatantblue on September 15, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Whether it’s Sarah, Liz or whomever, a female conservative President would be great. The main reason Sarah is hated by the media is because she was a threat to win the female vote. This would be a disaster for the left.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:51 AM

This is only going to spur more third party talk. Say hello to Obama’s second term.

D0WNT0WN on September 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM

yep

blatantblue on September 15, 2009 at 9:51 AM

This is only going to spur more third party talk. Say hello to Obama’s second term.

D0WNT0WN on September 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM
,.,.
I never really understood the damage the third party could do until I listened to Rush yesterday.Get the gop back on track with some leaders w/ba!!$,that’s the only way to defeat o.

ohiobabe on September 15, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Bush certainly came from the Rockefeller-Nixon wing of the GOP. But Republican members of Congress deserve equal blame for ruining the fiscal responsibility core aas well as corruption, leading to the fascist wannabes that are in power now.

rbj on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Actually, Fred Thompson did. Fred was brought into the race to get McCain nominated.

Elizabetty on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Arguably, Giuliani was a stalking horse for McCain, as well. The 2008 line up was disappointing.

Ron Paul got the fringe libertarians in line for the Obamacons and demoed the internet fundraising apparatus. Fred Thompson was an old Senate buddy of McCain’s and didn’t really even run. Giuliani’s “win Florida” strategy was suspect. Huckabee seemed like he would peel away conservatives from Mitt. Despite the Mormon issue, Romney’s record couldn’t distinguish him from Bush, anyway, which was the real issue of that election. A legacy Republican with a moderate at best record was not going to win. Romney was portrayed as a neoconservative to the Democrats.

It was up to McCain, and as much as I agree that he sucked as a candidate, he was the best nominee in a tough year. I opposed him early in the primaries. I thought he did fine attacking Obama as a neophyte, celebrity elitist snob. It was working up till the financial crisis and TARP. Then he pissed off so many of his own supporters by refusing to defend his running mate, whom he chose to solidify the base, that he had a lot of people sit home on election day.

alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

0bama as potus, dim supermajorities in Congress,

Heckuva job, Bushie.

Lou Budvis on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

blatantblue on September 15, 2009 at 9:51 AM

That’s the most concise and accurate appraisal yet.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Palin-Bachmann 2012

Leo_Pusateri on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Vote Libertarian. For *real* change.

RayinVA on September 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM

Keep trying. Maybe you can get the 1% up to 2%. Which is 2% fewer GOP votes.

jgapinoy on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Considering the alternatives at the time, I was glad that Bush won. The fact that he was not ideologically perfect merely makes him human.

At least he wasn’t a traitor to the country!

OldEnglish on September 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM

The conservative movement had to bide its time during the spending spree of the Bush administration, and has been vindicated by the spending insanity of the Democrats afterward.

Face it. GWB had a fairly decent first term but pretty much phoned it in after his reelection. He certainly wasn’t a conservative but he wasn’t hostile to conservatives the way McCain is.

highhopes on September 15, 2009 at 9:53 AM

Keep trying. Maybe you can get the 1% up to 2%. Which is 2% fewer GOP votes.

When you’re tired of the lesser of two evils, let us know.

RayinVA on September 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM

I still miss 43.

txag92 on September 15, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I still miss 40.

Lou Budvis on September 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM

George W Bush’s favorite phrase was “Compassionate Conservative” whatever that is, and I think he is a lot closer to the Progressive wing of the Republican Party, than anyone wants to investigate.

Dr Evil on September 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Palin-Bachmann 2012

Leo_Pusateri on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

The media hates Sarah already, but throw in Rep. Bachmann? Katie Couric’s head will spin like Linda Blair’s.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Bush did a good thing in his response to 9/11, and eventually nominated two excellent judges to the Supreme Court. But that man sowed a lot of bad seeds, and they’re now producing their bitter fruits.

Bush shows exactly what’s wrong with the GOP. They think Conservatism is some religious kook fringe. I don’t see how they can honestly believe serious voters don’t care about smaller government.

hawksruleva on September 15, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Cheney 43. Rice 44.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

You must be shrooming if you think Rice would be a good president…

Lehosh on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

The only positive domestic fiscal-related move I can think of was his tax cuts, which, if McCain had got his way, would have also included spending cuts.

WashJeff on September 15, 2009 at 9:41 AM

yep

funky chicken on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Bush did a great job keeping our country safe after 9-11. Great on the pro-life movement. Great choice of conservative judges on the supreme court. Great job of sticking to his convictions regarding defense.

Greatest flaw of GWB-fiscal irresponsibility. He should have vetoed the spending. Should have stood against those in congress who were doing earmarks and working with lobbyist.

The republican party will spend the next three years working hard to gain the trust of Americans again.

texasconserv on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

I think it’s fair to state that GWB did not govern like a conservative, so why is anyone surprised at what he said?

Sheerq on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

it was a lot of things.

obama had the natural political pendulum swinging his way. people just naturally vote for the other party sometimes, and there is no logic behind it

people associated the poor economy with the president, a republican, so the republican candidate got the blame, too.

obama had the money advantage. he had party enthusiasm (the conservatives couldn’t just be quiet and get out there hard for mccain) over mccain.

better ground game.

blatantblue on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Bush didn’t give us BO. McCain did.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Actually, Fred Thompson did. Fred was brought into the race to get McCain nominated.

Elizabetty on September 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Haven’t heard this theory before. Fred was brought into the race to help McCain get the nomination? I’m not arguing that McCain would try anything to get the nomination including any back room deals, promises of jobs, promises, promises, promises….. I just don’t see Fred agreeing to set himself up that way. Then again…..

JeffinOrlando on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Palin-Bachmann 2012

Leo_Pusateri on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

I’d vote for them. They seem to be honestly conservative.

hawksruleva on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Arguably, Giuliani was a stalking horse for McCain, as well. The 2008 line up was disappointing.

Nope. The NYT should get most of the credit.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

That’s the most concise and accurate appraisal yet.

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

sometimes, i shock myself

blatantblue on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Oops. Sorry. I forgot to make my main point –
I blame McCain for everything.

JeffinOrlando on September 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM

You must be shrooming if you think Rice would be a good president…

Lehosh on September 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM

Check the numbers carefully …

gh on September 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM

Just like his father. For W, conservatives were an embarrasment. I respect Bush’s fight against the war on terror, yet we have open borders. Why? Bush’s fiscal and doestic policies were a bust. Thank God for Dick Cheney.

cubachi on September 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM

McCain pretended he was a conservative, too.

mankai on September 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM

You often hear that, but I think that’s a false supposition.

McCain is truly pro-life. He might be a moderate, but he’s reasonably fiscally conservative. You wouldn’t have seen either Bush or Obama-scale spending in a McCain presidency. He is also a national security hawk. I think he would have made a fine President, but he missed his chance. Maybe he just didn’t want it.

alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM

You know, the more I study politics and get into the conversation about it, the more the paradoxes get up in my face. The most beloved and successful GOP Presidents in the Party’s history (aside from Lincoln) were gentlemen (in every sense of the word) who were the least partisan Republican in their dealings. And it’s no surprise that Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, and Teddy Roosevelt are thought of more highly by both history and by rank-and-file grassroots.

This Bush quote just cements this historical observation, and will show us that no Bush is ever going to be considered for US Senate, much less President, again.

BradSchwartze on September 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

What I think is really interesting is that the Democrats were BITTER out of power, and they are BITTER in power.

The people who marched on D.C. September 12th, didn’t look Bitter to me just determined. There is the difference in a nutshell, Democrats are bitter but don’t cling to anything but Liberal rhetoric.

Dr Evil on September 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

No Child Left Behind boondoggle
McCain-Feingold 1st Amendment breach
Shamnesty
TARP- Unconstitutional on its face and a gateway for Obama
Throwing away 40 billion dollars for AIDS in Africa

Bush was no conservative and still isn’t.

Fletch54 on September 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Wow. Just, wow.

On the whole, I’m still glad I voted for him. Twice.

Even though the second term was especially painful for a fiscal conservative like me (and the first term was no picnic).

But, President Gore? President Kerry? Ugh.

On the other hand, if we’d had President Kerry, we probably wouldn’t have President Obama.

On the third hand, if we’d had President Kerry, he would’ve taken the fall for the “financial crisis” last year, and McCain might have won.

And we’d have McCain doing much the same things as Obama, and no conservative movement.

So, on the whole, I’ll take it the way it turned out.

Chris of Rights on September 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

While we’re knocking down some walls… the notion of Karl Rove as some kind of “genius” has to go too. He’s as much at fault for the failure of Republican rule as Bush. He also “redefined” the GOP.

mankai on September 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM

+100

stenwin77 on September 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

Bush was no conservative and still isn’t.

Bush 2 was as conservative as Bush 1

flytier on September 15, 2009 at 9:58 AM

It was up to McCain, and as much as I agree that he sucked as a candidate, he was the best nominee in a tough year.

alliebobbitt on September 15, 2009 at 9:52 AM

No he wasn’t! It was a calculated choice based on the assumption that he could beat Hillary. As it happened, McCain offered us the same promises as the filthy liar in the White House with the added “bonus” of his fat stupid daughter is now acting as if she’s the voice of the GOP.

highhopes on September 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM

stenwin77 on September 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Bush didn’t give us BO. McCain did.

perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 9:39 AM

What gave us BO was allowing open primaries in the early voting states, which allowed the libs and ‘moderates’ to vote for McCain. We need to close the primaries and allow only the GOP to choose a GOP candidate.

tatersalad on September 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM

I agree that Bush did give us 2 good SC Justices, but remember, on one, he was dragged kicking and screaming. He wanted Harriet.

stenwin77 on September 15, 2009 at 9:59 AM

On the other hand, if we’d had President Kerry, we probably wouldn’t have President Obama.

Chris of Rights on September 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM

We’d also have a less radical agenda than the one we’ve seen since January.

highhopes on September 15, 2009 at 10:00 AM

Joe Wilson in 2012.

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perroviejo on September 15, 2009 at 10:00 AM

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