Video: Kanye West’s place in jackass hall of fame now secure

posted at 12:19 am on September 14, 2009 by Allahpundit

It’s been secure for years, actually, and not just because of the infamous “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” crack. This isn’t the first time he’s acted like a royal A-hole at an awards show; in fact, it’s not even the first time he’s rushed the stage during an acceptance speech to protest the winner. That happened a few years ago at the MTV Europe Awards. Even so, I salute him: In this season of political turmoil, Americans are finally united in hatred of his pure, preening douchebaggery. No small accomplishment.

Taylor Swift, who’s all of 19 years old, evidently was spotted “crying hysterically” backstage afterwards, although she managed to pull it together in time to reappear during Beyonce’s moment of graciousness at the end of the show. The boss has video of that. Exit quotation from Karl, imagining an Obama-orchestrated West/Swift beer summit: “Let me be clear: I didn’t watch the VMAs, so I don’t have all the facts. But Taylor Swift acted stupidly.”

Update: That didn’t take long.


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Ah, the old indirect benefit rational. You are half way to seeing the light.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:05 AM

You don’t understand indirect benefits?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:08 AM

If by “win” you mean pulling the Afghans out of the 7th century and into the 21st, good luck. Forget 100 years, you’ll need 200, and even still you will have no succeeded.

This isn’t about America and its army. It’s about the dysfunctional state of the Afghan people and the backwards Islamic religion to which they cling. Even if you do democratize them, they’ll still be an Islamic state that will not like us.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:06 AM

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
- Schopenhauer

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:09 AM

No. Only white people aren’t allowed their own space on the planet.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 4:52 AM

Ok…

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:10 AM

America is not Mexico or China or Africa, even though American ancestors came from those places among others. America is America, special and fundamentally, uniquely different.

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:07 AM

America is…an idea that has no concrete reality to it. Gee golly, I’m so glad I’m part of an abstraction.

*Starts whistling Dixie*

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:11 AM

You don’t understand indirect benefits?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:08 AM

My bank certainly does not.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:11 AM

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:06 AM

Review the thread. I’m not going to repeat myself. Anyway, you have your strawman, (what you want to assert our idea of success is) which may or may not be possible to achieve. So run with that, it seems to bolster your Ron Paul talking points.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:12 AM

Those evil, racist Japanese. Right?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:00 AM

Many Japanese are racists, as are many Chinese (my own ethnic background). So what’s your point? Because other people are racists its ok to be racist?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:15 AM

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:06 AM

That’s not the main goal or the definition of success. Success is preventing groups like Taliban from acquiring state, diminishing them and liquidating them, making sure Afghanistan is not a base for terrorist training, making sure Pakistan is in a reasonable shape and its nukes don’t fall into hands of terrorists etc. While we are at it, we might as well help those poor bastards acquire what rudiments of civilization as they may. But that’s a totally secondary product though not unrelated to our primary mission.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:15 AM

America is…an idea that has no concrete reality to it. Gee golly, I’m so glad I’m part of an abstraction.

*Starts whistling Dixie*

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:11 AM

To me, America is the Republic of the Constitution. What is it to you? The new white homeland in North America?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:17 AM

So run with that, it seems to bolster your Ron Paul talking points.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:12 AM

Speaking of strawmen…

Yeah, I’m such a Paulbot I’m for a preemptive strike on Iran to take out their nuclear facilities. Yep, I’m really into that Ron Paul foreign policy stuff…

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:18 AM

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:15 AM

Well said

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:19 AM

A question for our brass: If the Taliban is responsible for disproportionately more casualties than the United States — and purposely so where ours are inadvertent — shouldn’t, by our brass’ own reckoning, all those Afghan hearts and minds already belong to us? Could there be something else – such as the Islamic religion – causing Afghans to reject our infidel “hearts and minds” pathetically pressed on them, along with grotesque sums of money, like hopeless valentines?

These are questions the brass can’t answer, can’t even think about, because the answers would upend America’s entire Afghan strategy. We are in a war on civilian casualties in Afghanistan to win Afghan hearts and minds. Period. And woe to statistics, let alone basic and intractable religious differences, that undermine this illusory strategy.

But there is something else Americans should become aware of regarding the military’s obsession with further decreasing casualties as a means to victory. Our troops, the brass says, are the ones who are ultimately going to have to find what Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, our new commander in Afghanistan, earnestly calls the “balance.”

I watched McChrystal discuss his mission to further decrease civilian casualties in an online BBC video this week. “It’s a balance for the young soldier on the ground who is in combat,” he explained. “One of the assets that he has that might save his life might be air power or indirect fire from artillery or mortars and we don’t want to take away that protection for him.”

No, we don’t, General. So why are we even talking about it? The lightly hinted implication — that our troops may be called on to think twice about saving their own lives — is chilling.

“Victory in this conflict is about winning the hearts and minds of the Afghan people and engendering their trust,” Brig. Gen. Steven Kwast, commander of 5,000 airmen at Bagram Field, told the Air Force Times last week. “When the Afghan people trust us and believe us … we will win this overnight.” Just don’t anyone hold his breath.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:19 AM

To me, America is the Republic of the Constitution. What is it to you? The new white homeland in North America?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:17 AM

You do realize that for the first 160+ years of America’s existence it was 90% white, right? You do realize it was founded by a bunch of dead white guys, right? Was America not fully America then, as opposed to now that it has achieved glorious “progress” in “diversity”?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:23 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:09 AM

I’m going to head down to the terminal to get my R + R briefing but once again, sorry about how your war turned out. It isn’t going to happen here. This isn’t even close to being Viet Nam. We’re an all volunteer army. We’re not just showing up with the idea we have to survive a year here and then get back home. We believe we can win and we’re fighting exactly like that.

Really, only the people in the US can defeat us. Didn’t you quote that people who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, MB4? Indeed!

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:24 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:19 AM

Again, winning hearts and minds is like lipstick on a pig if you will. That’s not why we are there but because we are there we might as well make mount a charm offensive. Do you think the mission will get easier if we purposely lost hearts and minds? Nah. So, that’s secondary but important to our main purpose which is to make sure to apply enough pressure that terrorism crumbles. It will take long time but will happen. Take Sri Lanka for example. it took them more than two decades to crack the nut but it has been done.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:26 AM

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:23 AM

No sequitur. The fact that it was white in the first 160 years doesn’t mean it should continue to remain so. Nor is anybody claiming that increase in diversity is progress in itself.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:28 AM

You do realize that for the first 160+ years of America’s existence it was 90% white, right? You do realize it was founded by a bunch of dead white guys, right? Was America not fully America then, as opposed to now that it has achieved glorious “progress” in “diversity”?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:23 AM

Yes, I do realize that. Do you realize that non-whites can also appreciate what those ‘dead white guys’ built and wish to be part of it?

Further, do you realize that not all whites held or hold the same values as the Founders?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:32 AM

To me, America is the Republic of the Constitution.

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:17 AM

That America is in grave danger of disappearing, soon. Some would even say that it’s already gone (just trying to refer to the Constitution seems to elicit laughs and giggles these days, even from many on the “conservative” side) and we are just in the process of changing to the new structure, which will be more like the rest of the world. A terrible loss, and it will probably be a pretty darned ugly transition, too.

And how can the Shamnesty be explained, except as an attempt at a fairly quick national suicide? This all results from the worst sort of cowardice. Nation-killing cowardice. That’s what affirmative action is. You cannot run affirmative action programs and have the government press minority issues, internally, and then think that there is no effect on society nor in how immigration changes the landscape and character of this nation. We’ve seen it change. We are on the edge, right now.

progressoverpeace on September 14, 2009 at 5:33 AM

Really, only the people in the US can defeat us. Didn’t you quote that people who ignore history are doomed to repeat it, MB4? Indeed!

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:24 AM

We are still a representative democracy (well, more or less).

Beware Dolchstoßlegende, the “Stab in the Back Legend”. It’s a bummer.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:33 AM

Nor is anybody claiming that increase in diversity is progress in itself.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:28 AM

But that is the official position of our government, at all levels, and that is the position of the whole left side of the political spectrum. They want diversity for diversity’s sake, as we all know. That attitude is death.

progressoverpeace on September 14, 2009 at 5:36 AM

progressoverpeace on September 14, 2009 at 5:33 AM

I agree that the volume of immigration both legal and illegal has been too much and America needs to catch its breath, assimilate those already there and slow down drastically rate of new people it takes. For some years at least.

Hopefully, one good thing about the depression Bammy is bent on having will be that it will deter more people from coming there. For some time. :)

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:37 AM

Beware Dolchstoßlegende, the “Stab in the Back Legend”. It’s a bummer.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:33 AM

And ignore it at your peril.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:37 AM

That’s not the main goal or the definition of success. Success is preventing groups like Taliban from acquiring state, diminishing them and liquidating them, making sure Afghanistan is not a base for terrorist training, making sure Pakistan is in a reasonable shape and its nukes don’t fall into hands of terrorists etc. While we are at it, we might as well help those poor bastards acquire what rudiments of civilization as they may. But that’s a totally secondary product though not unrelated to our primary mission.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:15 AM

You’re chasing a ghost. What I mean by that is that while we’re off in Afghanistan and Iraq chasing after “terrorists” and “Taliban,” sharia is making huge inroads here at home, particularly in Europe. Muslims continue to immigration here on our permission, increasing their power here in our own homelands. What good is “winning” over there if we’re losing here at home?

Some of those objectives I don’t have a problem with. But I think most of that we can do off-shore. We don’t need to be risking the lives of our soldiers playing nicey-nice, politically correct war games with these people, while as a side mission trying to make friends and influence the Afghans who despise us. The former is unnecessary given the realities of alternative options, and the latter is a fool’s errand.

Really, until we realize that our enemy is not “terror” or simply the Taliban and al Qaeda but Islam itself, I don’t see how we can “win” anything. For if we’re starting from a faulty premise, we can’t possibly hope to reach a sound conclusion. And I don’t care how brave or capable our guys are; it’s a mission doomed to fail.

I mean, am I the only one who has a problem with our guys dying to establish Islamic states in Iraq and Afghanistan based on Koranic law, when it was the Koran itself that drove those 19 Muslim hijackers to fly planes into our Twin Towers? That’s like fighting Nazism by setting up Nazi nations. What the hell?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:39 AM

progressoverpeace on September 14, 2009 at 5:33 AM

I don’t disagree with any of that. Actually I don’t think I ever disagree with your posts :-)

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:42 AM

You’re chasing a ghost. What I mean by that is that while we’re off in Afghanistan and Iraq chasing after “terrorists” and “Taliban,” sharia is making huge inroads here at home, particularly in Europe. Muslims continue to immigration here on our permission, increasing their power here in our own homelands. What good is “winning” over there if we’re losing here at home?

Hey, we can only do so much while we’re deployed. Are you waiting for us to come home to do something about the domestic problems too? Geez, pitch in and do something besides blog your opinion for Gods sake. Get in the fray.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:43 AM

while we’re off in Afghanistan and Iraq

Btw, “we’re” all not exactly off in Afghanistan and Iraq chasing ghosts no are we. Did you mean while “they’re” off in….?

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:46 AM

You’re chasing a ghost. What I mean by that is that while we’re off in Afghanistan and Iraq chasing after “terrorists” and “Taliban,” sharia is making huge inroads here at home, particularly in Europe. Muslims continue to immigration here on our permission, increasing their power here in our own homelands. What good is “winning” over there if we’re losing here at home?

you are erecting a straw man argument. I agree that domestic component of war on terror should be prosecuted more vigorously but that does not mean the war efforts in Iraq or Afghanistan should be given up. And again, why should we rely on you, a cut and runner in Afghanistan, to be a staunch advocate of domestic side of war on terror? it just could be false bravado.

Some of those objectives I don’t have a problem with.

Thank you. Stop filibustering then.

I mean, am I the only one who has a problem with our guys dying to establish Islamic states in Iraq and Afghanistan based on Koranic law, when it was the Koran itself that drove those 19 Muslim hijackers to fly planes into our Twin Towers? That’s like fighting Nazism by setting up Nazi nations. What the hell?

A bittersweet paradox but one that’s not a fatal objection to the mission of the troops which is to combat terror.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:47 AM

This isn’t even close to being Viet Nam.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:24 AM

It has been going on for almost 8 years now and McChrystal wants more troops. Not a good sign.

Yesterday, President Obama presented his “comprehensive new strategy” for Afghanistan and Pakistan. It was neither new, nor a strategy. Behind all the rhetoric, he just said, I’m sending more troops and more money.

Barack Obama? I heard Lyndon Johnson. The only LBJ touch that BHO lacked was the word “escalation.”

The rhetoric was masterly. The content was drivel. He said, “The situation is increasingly perilous.” Which situation? Why? For whom? Certainly, it’s becoming more perilous for our troops as we escalate in support of the wrong policy.
- Ralph Peters

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:48 AM

progressoverpeace on September 14, 2009 at 5:36 AM

I was talking about posters here like asiangirl and me. The position of left is a disaster of course but the guy we are battling wasn’t talking about the left but us.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:50 AM

Yes, I do realize that. Do you realize that non-whites can also appreciate what those ‘dead white guys’ built and wish to be part of it?

There are some, but I seriously question the number of them who truly want this. Most new immigrants want little more than to take advantage of us. They don’t want to be a part of us.

Further, do you realize that not all whites held or hold the same values as the Founders?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:32 AM

And? Being American or Mexican or Kenyan or whatever is something you are by birth. I don’t believe in this liberal idea of the autonomous self where race, gender and nationality are merely “social constructs” and are chosen by the individual rather than the Creator.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:51 AM

I agree that the volume of immigration both legal and illegal has been too much and America needs to catch its breath, assimilate those already there and slow down drastically rate of new people it takes. For some years at least.

I would think that was just reasonable. But people are taking offense to it, it seems. I would also recommend doing away with the acceptance of dual citizenship.

Hopefully, one good thing about the depression Bammy is bent on having will be that it will deter more people from coming there. For some time. :)

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:37 AM

I am more of doomsday person when it comes to where I think we are headed economically and, more importantly, monetarily (if The Precedent and the Washington junta pass any of their nation-killing legislation or continue with their insane regulatory policies). I’m not very confident that America makes it through this Precedent and Congress intact. I see secession, if the left keeps pushing. That’s why I mentioned earlier that immigration levels don’t concern me at all, over the next year or so – not that we’ve done anything intelligent with them in 20 years, anyway. We have to worry more about the left ginning up race riots. It is their scorched earth strategy, like Saddam’s intentional dumping of 40,000,000 barrels of oil into the gulf and lighting just about every Kuwaiti oil well on fire. The left has been sowing the seeds of some very ugly stuff, mostly for use as a potent political tool but also for their own sick pleasure (lefties love to watch race riots).

progressoverpeace on September 14, 2009 at 5:51 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:48 AM

Ralph Peters is a buttboy of Robert Gates and other “realists” who are bent on giving up in Afghanistan just as they did in Iraq during the first Gulf war or in Georgia last year.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:52 AM

Btw, “we’re” all not exactly off in Afghanistan and Iraq chasing ghosts no are we. Did you mean while “they’re” off in….?

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:46 AM

Yes, “they”. The same guys going over and over again. I used to say that a lot about Iraq, usually not to a receptive “audience”. If Afghanistan (and Iraq) was so important to the U.S. there would be an Army twice the size we have now, either through more volunteers or a draft. When it comes right down to it, most Americans don’t think Afghanistan is worth a rats arse.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:52 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:48 AM

Less jungle, more sand. We we’re attacked almost exactly eight years ago and the people and the mindset who purpetrated the attack are still here.

This is not Viet Nam. No matter how much you want it to be, for whatever your reason MB4, This…Is….Not….Viet Nam.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:52 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:52 AM

Wasn’t aware that you spoke for “most” of America. I would have thought it was the half liberal side that didn’t care.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:54 AM

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:52 AM

I don’t want it to be Vietnam. I don’t know how you could come to that conclusion. Hawkdriver, how many AlQ do you think are in Afghanistan?

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:54 AM

war on terror?

What the hell is the “war on terror?” Are we at war with a military tactic?

This is what I’m talking about. We don’t even know who our enemy is. We’re off in the Middle East fighting an imaginary enemy (or, at beast “radical Islam) while regular Islam is taking over the West.

Blind liberal stupidity at its finest.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:54 AM

Wasn’t aware that you spoke for “most” of America. I would have thought it was the half liberal side that didn’t care.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:54 AM

I don’t speak for most Americans, but I am not deaf.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:55 AM

A bittersweet paradox but one that’s not a fatal objection to the mission of the troops which is to combat terror.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:47 AM

See my above post. Our mission shouldn’t be to “combat terror.” That’s an endless and ultimately losing proposition, as terrorism will be with us as long as mankind walks the earth.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:56 AM

What the hell is the “war on terror?” Are we at war with a military tactic?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:54 AM

Have you never heard of WII where we were at war with blitzkreigerism and divebomerism? Oh wait.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:57 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:52 AM

Another non sequitur. Most Americans may not give rat’s arse about Afgahnistan but they ( and many non-Americans like myself) do care a rat’s arse about America.

If Afghanistan (and Iraq) was so important to the U.S. there would be an Army twice the size we have now

Again. To do what? The army we sent to Iraq proved small for the purpose and we increased numbers sufficiently to win. The same goes for Aghanistan. There’s no need to send double the army so we are not sending them. It’s just your bombast and does not increase the salience of mission. Not everything is measured by numbers.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:58 AM

Hawkdriver, how many AlQ do you think are in Afghanistan?

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 5:54 AM

Hmm, well for AIQ, there’s the three we killed and one we captured last week. We’ve sort of lost track of the straight up Taliban that we’ve captured and killed. Would you like and estimate? My little unit, close to 150 killed and 30 or so captured.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:59 AM

And then there was George S. Patton who used to go around kissing copies of Mein Kampf.

I think I just saw a lightning bolt strike about a hundred feet away and now I hear thunder. If I don’t comment again you will know what happened.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:00 AM

What the hell is the “war on terror?” Are we at war with a military tactic?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:54 AM

You’re soooo clever. We are at war with the people who employ those terrorist tactics. Whereever we find them.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:02 AM

My little unit, close to 150 killed and 30 or so captured.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 5:59 AM

How many AlQ? Estimates that I have seen are not very many at all. The brass isn’t even talking about AlQ in Afghanistan anymore. Just Taliban and serving the Afghan people. There are probably more actual AlQ in Britain. Maybe more in the U.S. Certainly a lot more in Pakistan. They may be evil but they ain’t completely stupid.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:04 AM

And? Being American or Mexican or Kenyan or whatever is something you are by birth. I don’t believe in this liberal idea of the autonomous self where race, gender and nationality are merely “social constructs” and are chosen by the individual rather than the Creator.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:51 AM

My father came to the US from Fuzhou (China), my mother came from Taipei. I was born in Seattle while both were legal residents. What was I born as?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:04 AM

Geez, read the comment again.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 5:42 AM

This is a good place to end it, for tonight. I am beat.

I was talking about posters here like asiangirl and me. The position of left is a disaster of course but the guy we are battling wasn’t talking about the left but us.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 5:50 AM

I understand. I didn’t mean to imply that I claiming that for you or asiangirl (or some other posters, here). I was just pointing out that our official government policy has a big effect that no one can stop – not for the foreseeable future, at least.

That’s it for me. Goodnight all. … Or good morning :)

progressoverpeace on September 14, 2009 at 6:07 AM

You’re soooo clever. We are at war with the people who employ those terrorist tactics. Whereever we find them.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:02 AM

Then you need to do some missions over Sudan and Great Britain and maybe Dearborne. the Taliban just rented AlQ some fleabag motels. AlQ are all over, mostly Pakistan, not very many at all in Afghanistan. Read what the brass are saying about what the mission in Afghanistan is.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:07 AM

You’re soooo clever. We are at war with the people who employ those terrorist tactics. Whereever we find them.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:02 AM

Would this include Irish terrorists? What about the terrorism in South America? India? Why aren’t we going after all the terrorists in Saudi Arabia?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:08 AM

Stay safe, hawkdriver.

progressoverpeace on September 14, 2009 at 6:08 AM

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 5:56 AM

Again scale matters. I agree terrorism might be there always but certainly not a conveyor belt of terror which is what we are facing today. Smash that industry assembly line and be vigilant against the future irruptions.

What the hell is the “war on terror?” Are we at war with a military tactic?

Terror is both a tactic but also a way of life, a political system. One does not preclude the other.

We’re off in the Middle East fighting an imaginary enemy (or, at beast “radical Islam) while regular Islam is taking over the West.

Radical Islam is not a mirage and it should be fought. Your frustrations about regular Islam taking over the West shouldn’t be projected onto the war on radical Islamist terror. That’s like cutting your nose to spite your face.

One is a military battle and which we are fighting and winnning. The other is more nebulous. It’s up to you to define and make sure you educate enough people that Islamization of West is not a desirable result. But you don’t want to put that effort. That’d take too much. All you can do is stab in the back of the warriors who are fighting radical Islam.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM

What was I born as?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM

As a 1st Generation American who still understands better what it truly means to be American, better than a lot of multigenerational (whatever)-Americans who seem to regard it’s importance less and less. God bless you girl. I’ve always asserted some of the most ardent patriots of this country are Cuban born Americans who understand the alternative.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:10 AM

we going after all the terrorists in Saudi Arabia?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:08 AM

I’m still waiting to hear what you’re going to do about the problems in The States besides flapping your gums here on Hot Air.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:12 AM

Afghan-centric belief system:

1) All roads start in Afghanistan.
2) All roads end in Afghanistan.
3) The Sun revolves around Afghanistan.
4) The moon revolves around Afghanistan.
5) The stars revolve around Afghanistan.
6) If the United States does not keep sufficient troop mass in Afghanistan for another 8 years, maybe 80, maybe 800, the orbital stability of the Earth will become unbalanced and all Muslim terrorists will slide into America.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:13 AM

O/T Big government has another Acorn video up,NYC.

tessa on September 14, 2009 at 6:15 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:13 AM

Afghan-Weary Belief System.

1. It’s too hard.
2. 9-11 could never happen again.
3. It’s too hard.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:16 AM

2Brave2Bscared
we pick and choose, the argument why aren’t we taking on all terrorists is silly for two reasons.One for all the talk about being global cop we never had the power to do it.And secondly we have been involved in mitigating the very terrorists you mentioned. Usually through peace negotiations or in conjunction with local government.

rob verdi on September 14, 2009 at 6:18 AM

I’m still waiting to hear what you’re going to do about the problems in The States besides flapping your gums here on Hot Air.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:12 AM

Hawkdriver: But I don’t want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can’t help that. We’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.
Hawkdriver: How do you know I’m mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn’t have come here.

Cheshire Cat on September 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM

Would this include Irish terrorists? What about the terrorism in South America? India? Why aren’t we going after all the terrorists in Saudi Arabia?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:08 AM

Yes it would but because not all of them are fighting America or threats to the West equally, America is not using equal means to mitigate them.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM

The Rodney King of MTV.

Coronagold on September 14, 2009 at 6:21 AM

Again scale matters. I agree terrorism might be there always but certainly not a conveyor belt of terror which is what we are facing today. Smash that industry assembly line and be vigilant against the future irruptions.

So the objective is to destroy Islam? Because that’s the “assembly line.”

Terror is both a tactic but also a way of life, a political system. One does not preclude the other.

You keep using that vague word “terror.”

*Islamic* terrorism (aka Jihad) is a means to an end — the end being sharia law and worldwide caliphate. This political system you speak of does not come out of thin air, but is founded in Islam itself.

Radical Islam is not a mirage and it should be fought. Your frustrations about regular Islam taking over the West shouldn’t be projected onto the war on radical Islamist terror. That’s like cutting your nose to spite your face.

What I’m saying is that the two are one and the same. There is no peaceful Islam to oppose “radical” Islam. There is only one Islam, and its followers flew planes into our buildings on 9/11 and our working hard thanks to our insanity to establish sharia here in the West. While we’re off fighting military tactics in selected portions of the Islamic world.

One is a military battle and which we are fighting and winnning. The other is more nebulous. It’s up to you to define and make sure you educate enough people that Islamization of West is not a desirable result. But you don’t want to put that effort. That’d take too much. All you can do is stab in the back of the warriors who are fighting radical Islam.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM

You accuse me of evil motivations that I do not have. I’m doing something right here and now about the problem. If you want to see this as “stabbing you in the back,” fine; but that is not what my intentions are or want I am really in fact doing. I’m trying to demonstrate to you the folly of our present policy and our misguided view of the Islamic world and its desires.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:24 AM

1. It’s too hard.
2. 9-11 could never happen again.
3. It’s too hard.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:16 AM

That sounds similar to Obama pushing ObamaScare.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:24 AM

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:13 AM

Maybe you’ve had too much to drink MB4, or something else is going on in your life. I think usually you do make much better sense than you seem to today. Take care!

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:26 AM

All you can do is stab in the back of the warriors who are fighting radical Islam.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:09 AM

Dolchstosslegende.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:27 AM

Yes it would but because not all of them are fighting America or threats to the West equally, America is not using equal means to mitigate them.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:20 AM

Titling at windmills. Tilting at freakin’ windmills.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:28 AM

Afghan-Weary Belief System.

1. It’s too hard.
2. 9-11 could never happen again.
3. It’s too hard.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:16 AM

+1000000

Add to that how much more tenuous our ties with Pahhhhkeeeeston are now and the situation is explosive, pun intended.

I’m sincerely and totally sickened by the words I’m hearing about Afghanistan from the liberals. I knew they’d do it, but, it’s so devastating to know they are in control of it now. Effing whiny KIDS are in control right now. God help us.

Diane on September 14, 2009 at 6:28 AM

I really have to go to my brief, I’m sure the war will be over by the time I get back though from R + R though. It sounds like MB4 and 2cowardly2doadamnthing have it all figured out.

MB4, I’ll try to check out those sites so I can understand the Afghan War better. I’m not sure what I’d do without your sage advice. 2B2BS, what can I say about you? You ole self-sacrificing patriot you! Keep up the yeoman work of protecting our country.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:28 AM

I hate to be the ‘Kanye’ of this blog

StoneKrab on September 14, 2009 at 12:42 AM

StoneKrab is a gay fish.

TMK on September 14, 2009 at 6:29 AM

Maybe you’ve had too much to drink MB4,

More like I haven’t had enough to drink.

or something else is going on in your life.

No, not a whole lot. Maybe that’s the problem.

I think usually you do make much better sense than you seem to today.

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:26 AM

No. This is about par for the course for me.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:30 AM

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:26 AM

eh hem…You do know that your chosen H/A handle is a mite gratuitous, don’t you? But, I guess that’s the point.

(Have I said that before? ah, having HotAir commenter deja vu.)

Diane on September 14, 2009 at 6:31 AM

My father came to the US from Fuzhou (China), my mother came from Taipei. I was born in Seattle while both were legal residents. What was I born as?

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:05 AM

Cutiepie-American.

TMK on September 14, 2009 at 6:32 AM

BTW and before I go, what are all the freaking references to West and a fish?

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:34 AM

Unarticulated Audacity!

canopfor on September 14, 2009 at 6:35 AM

BTW and before I go, what are all the freaking references to West and a fish?

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:34 AM

Southpark episode.

TMK on September 14, 2009 at 6:35 AM

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:28 AM

Got get ‘em hawkdriver!

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:35 AM

Hey good morning HawkDriver,i hope you racked up a good total!!:)

canopfor on September 14, 2009 at 6:36 AM

So the objective is to destroy Islam?

Radical Islam yes.

*Islamic* terrorism (aka Jihad) is a means to an end — the end being sharia law and worldwide caliphate. This political system you speak of does not come out of thin air, but is founded in Islam itself.

Probably.

What I’m saying is that the two are one and the same. There is no peaceful Islam to oppose “radical” Islam. There is only one Islam, and its followers flew planes into our buildings on 9/11 and our working hard thanks to our insanity to establish sharia here in the West. While we’re off fighting military tactics in selected portions of the Islamic world.

I am not saying there is a peaceful Islam as against a radical one. I am saying there is an ordinary Islam, and a related people and praxis. Are they of my concern? No. But among the many who practise Islam there are a few who would want to blow me up and things I hold dear and they are my concern. And among these people, there’s the subset which will not just believe in terror but also practise it. I say this subset should be liquidated without pity, through wars which we dub war on terror.

The wider radicals who preach but not practise are tricky. We should be clever enough to make sure their influence is minimized as possible.

Apart from this subset of radical Islamists there are also others in the Islamic praxis who would desire expansionism of Islam at any cost. These are not radicals or terrorists and they are like any other chauvinists and they ought to be countered through strategy and planning.

The rest of Islam is no concern of mine but as any prudent man would, I would always have an eye on them, as indeed on others as well.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:36 AM

Got = Go

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:37 AM

How’s that Hope and Change
Working out for all of you
“Post-Racial Voters”?

Haiku Guy on September 14, 2009 at 6:37 AM

BTW and before I go, what are all the freaking references to West and a fish?

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:34 AM

hawkdriver: Were in the same boat,I don’t get the fish
stick connection either!!:)

canopfor on September 14, 2009 at 6:37 AM

Afghan-Weary Belief System.

1. It’s too hard.
2. 9-11 could never happen again.
3. It’s too hard.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:16 AM

Neocon belief system:

1. 9/11 was caused by faceless enemy called “terror” which struck us for no rhyme or reason whatsoever save blind hate.
2. Therefore, “terrorism” must be fought where ever it can be found. Er, well, at least in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe Pakistan and Iran if we ever get around to it… Also, watch your back, Ireland!
3. True Islam is peaceful and is our friend; it is therefore our duty to help the Muslim world by democratizing it. Because…
4. “Freedom” is the answer to everything. Everybody wants it and everybody is capable of achieving it, no matter how much they *say* through their words and actions that they don’t want it.
5. Ignore all evidence that contradicts the first 4 points, no matter how reasoned or logical it may *appear* to be. Those who criticize us are unpatriotic and just want to stab our heroes in the back.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:39 AM

Two things.
First, although I realize that AIQ and the Taliban are two different things but to me they (Taliban) are just AIQ on training wheels. I am suspicious of man that oppressive and rigid in their idelology.

Second, Allah’s presidential State of the Insurance remix was shown on Fox & Friends this morning. So I guess congratulations are in order for national cable exposure.

Cindy Munford on September 14, 2009 at 6:41 AM

Titling at windmills. Tilting at freakin’ windmills.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:28 AM

Let me be clear. I don’t think America should be sending troops to quell Irish terrorists but it is spending diplomatic capital to mitigate them, just as it has trained Sri Lankans to make sure they fight the LTTE. Not all terrorists are fighting America but because it is a responsible nation it helps fellow states to combat terror as it can.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:42 AM

Faced with an ineffective Afghanistan government, continuing failure to win “Hearts and Minds” and with no end in sight, fatigue and deteriorating morale among the over used and abused American troops who were given the job of brining Afghan Muslims into the twentieth century resistance to continue the war on the part of the American people and a rebellion in Congress with a threat to cut off funding, a reluctant President Barack H. Obama finally agreed to bring American forces home.

The failure of the Afghanistan war supporters to admit that President Obama’s Afghanistan nation building occupation policies had been ill advised and a profound failure would have a huge impact on their psyches and its impact would be manifest in their desire to involve the American nation and it’s military in yet another war and nation building occupation that they felt could be won this time thus bringing them vindication.

Many Neocon internet web sites and Neocon radio talk shows would support the false idea that President Obama’s Afghanistan nation building occupation policies had been going very well and with just a little more time and just a few more thousand troops and just a little more stay the course the Afghanistan nation building occupation would have resulted in the building of a successful democratic, rule of law Afghanistan nation that would be an ally in the war against terror and serve as a shining example for the rest of the Middle East.

They believed that President Obama’s Afghanistan nation building occupation policies had been visionary and brilliant and would have soon succeeded, except for being betrayed at home, the infamous ‘Stab in the Back’ theory. (Similar to the myth and betrayal theory [Dolchstosslegende] popular in Germany in the period after World War I which attributed Germany’s defeat to a number of domestic betrayals instead of failed geostrategy.)

This ‘Stab in the Back’ theory would become hugely popular among many Neocon internet web sites and Neocon radio talk show hosts who found it impossible to accept the fact that President Obama’s Afghanistan nation building occupation policies had been very ill advised.

During the actual Afghanistan nation building occupation fiasco, many Neocons became obsessed with this idea, especially laying blame on what they called “traitors”, “White flag wavers”, “defeatist cut and runners” and “surrender monkeys” in America for undermining the Afganistan nation building occupation effort. To the Neocons, and so many of their followers, the American congress men and women and their fellow Americans, the clear majority of whom did not support President Obama’s Afghanistan nation building occupation policies, would become known as the ‘Defeatist Criminals.’

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:44 AM

MB4,
Agreed, ROE are eerily familiar …and I have a fear this will not turn out well…
Is the pipeline built yet…?

jerrytbg on September 14, 2009 at 6:44 AM

Radical Islam yes.

You’re going to destroy radical Islam? We’re talking about tens of millions of people, at least. Are you serious?

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM

Were in the same boat,I don’t get the fish
stick connection either!!:)

canopfor on September 14, 2009 at 6:37 AM

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/224089/?tab=related

TMK on September 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:39 AM

NEOCON huh?

Name calling from the coward behind his monitor. This is what you guys always resort to.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:39 AM

Isolationist/ paleocon belief system:

1) White blood shall not be shed even in defense of freedom/nation.

2) Islam is evil and hence there should Crusades part deux. Anything less is a sell out.

3) Because there is no Cruasades part deux, all reasonable efforts to combat terror should be abandoned.

4) Islam is conquering the West and hence we should drop wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and twiddle thumbs on HA.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM

Diane on September 14, 2009 at 6:31 AM

Hi Diane,

I guess you’re right, but I can’t re-register now, since it’s closed.

AsianGirlInTights on September 14, 2009 at 6:47 AM

So the objective is to destroy Islam?

Radical Islam yes.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:36 AM

The radicals in Islam are the apostates. They are the good ones.

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:49 AM

NEOCON huh?

Name calling from the coward behind his monitor. This is what you guys always resort to.

hawkdriver on September 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM

I don’t throw around neocon for my own amusement. I have a particular, definable ideology in mind. But, yes, I realize it’s a scare word for a lot of people.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:49 AM

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:45 AM

If you would be so kind as to read my whole post. I don’t think there tens of millions of people who are willing to take arms. Those who take arms should be destroyed. But there are others who encourage them and these can be fought with softer means. Radical Islam is not a hydra that will live forever. In 2001, I am sure a large section of Pakistan would have approved of al-qaeda. Today, not so much. Trends change.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:49 AM

1) White blood shall not be shed even in defense of freedom/nation.

2) Islam is evil and hence there should Crusades part deux. Anything less is a sell out.

3) Because there is no Cruasades part deux, all reasonable efforts to combat terror should be abandoned.

4) Islam is conquering the West and hence we should drop wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and twiddle thumbs on HA.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:46 AM

Who believes this again? If this is your guess at what I believe, you are so far off the mark it’s not even funny.

Try again.

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:51 AM

In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.

Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of searching for unicorns.

Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammad, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammad himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”

Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.

Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
- JihadWatch (A_Plague_on_Both_Houses)

MB4 on September 14, 2009 at 6:51 AM

2Brave2Bscared on September 14, 2009 at 6:51 AM

Sure you don’t.

promachus on September 14, 2009 at 6:53 AM

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