Reason TV: Supposed mob of racist terrorists actually concerned about government
posted at 4:05 pm on September 14, 2009 by Allahpundit
So accustomed have we become to media armchair psychoanalysis of tea partiers’ motives that it’s downright jarring to watch them for once being taken at their word. There’s almost a feeling of suspense as this rolls on: Sure, Matt Welch and Byron York and even Rod Dreher claim, either from firsthand knowledge or via trusted sources, that the rally wasn’t the freak show it’s being portrayed as, but the way this genre of right-wing-protest video typically works is to cherry-pick the most offensive signs and then pronounce the whole rally a Nuremberg by another name. When it doesn’t happen here, it’s like watching a cowboy movie that somehow doesn’t end in a shootout. Luckily, Marc Ambinder, speaking for pretty much the entire mainstream media, is around to fire his gun:
Logically, there is no way I can assess the collective motivations of 70,000 people in Washington, or the tens of thousands of people who showed up at other events across the country. And, in truth, I confess to having an inner Maureen Dowd voice — and not the snarky part of that voice — but the voice that tells me that these protests are proximately motivated by policy concerns. Ultimately, this voice tells me, they’re motivated by tremendous anxiety about the direction of history, and how it seems to be moving away from them — white, traditional, bounded — and toward something else — global, multicolored, unbounded, experimental. This is the Silent Majority, the neo-Bircherite majority, the reactionary id that resents affirmative action, ethnic integration and gays — the impulse that links government spending with help for poor black people. Direct racial animus against Barack Obama is not something that anyone ought to dismiss, as one look at racial aversion from 2008 shows.
You’ll get much the same vibe from this short piece by New Yorker bien pensant Hendrik Hertzberg. Feel free to ascribe to the mob any motive you like — racism, “nativism,” simple confusion — so long as it’s improper, illegitimate, and therefore conducive to dismissing their stated concerns about government bloat out of hand. Exit question: The most compelling part of this, I think, is the bit about how disgusted the protesters are with both parties. There’s room here for a third-party movement in 2012 a la Perot, but one which would probably guarantee a result similar to 1992 — i.e. a Democratic victory enabled by the indie candidate draining votes from the GOP. Is there anyone out there willing to risk that and go third-party anyway?
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There’s room here for a third-party movement in 2012 a la Perot, but one which would probably guarantee a result similar to 1992 — i.e. a Democratic victory enabled by the indie candidate draining votes from the GOP. Is there anyone out there willing to risk that and go third-party anyway?
I’m sure that Axelrod and Soros are working hard to make sure that there is a “tea-party” third party candidate in 2012 – the way things are going, it’s the only way Obama can get reelected.
Realist on September 14, 2009 at 4:08 PM
what we need is a covert op to encourage the real hard-lefties to get serious about a “progressive party” that will drain votes from the dems.
paging carl rove!
homesickamerican on September 14, 2009 at 4:09 PM
The truth always reveals itself. If there is staying power and, I think, there is, then the “swiftboat” tactics don’t hold up on a group level. It might on an individual level, but you can’t dismiss reality.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 4:11 PM
So he can’t logically tell you anything about them.
So instead he throws logic aside to slander them all as racist bigots.
Thanks Marc, that was really helpful. And I’m sure it was good for journalism. Everyone gets tired of logic and facts and really really wants to know what you “feel” and what your “inner voice” says.
Proof is so overrated. Feelings are much more useful to determine facts.
gekkobear on September 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Third Party?! Will it be more conservative -and larger- than the Republican Party? How ya gonna pull that off?
The only third party I would support is the Green Party, because it would hurt the Dems. Any conservative third party would only harm the Republican Party.
Had there been no Loosertarian Party in the last election, the Republicans would still hold the senate.
Akzed on September 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM
Heh.
I walked past the guy with the “Marx was a Moron” sign numerous times. I’m probably in the background in that photo somewhere.
UltimateBob on September 14, 2009 at 4:13 PM
The vast majority of those involved with these protests are not racists however there is a large minority who are racists. Those are the people who taint the movement. Republican racism will ultimately destroy the movement and allow Obama to pass all his initiatives.
Racism is a cancer in the Republican Party. Ignore it at your peril.
Decider on September 14, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Exactly, watch out on blogs like this for people “concerned that Republicans can’t win”, so they want a third party.
A third party guarantees Obama another 4 years…
right2bright on September 14, 2009 at 4:14 PM
But apparently you do on a regular basis…
Akzed on September 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM
there attacks are not working
rob verdi on September 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Hey, why don’t you go fill the troll void on the ACORN child sex slave enabler thread?
Akzed on September 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM
their
rob verdi on September 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM
We already have our party. We need to assist those who lead it towards retirement, and replace them conservatives.
Let the centrists form a third party. Conservatives created the GOP. Over time, we’ve lost control of it.
As was so eloquently stated a few days ago….Now’s the time to act.
BobMbx on September 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM
Utter nonsense. The truth about the past 3 Democrat Presidential “candidates” never revealed itself.
Del Dolemonte on September 14, 2009 at 4:17 PM
Hey great. Telling Iran it’s cool that they have the bomb while simultaneously kissing the azz of scum like Chavez and schooling our five years in the proper method of condom use is just what this nation needs.
Experiment with your own dime and your own kids, leftist trash.
Bishop on September 14, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Define “large minority” for us, please.
Del Dolemonte on September 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM
I’m sick and tired of smears like this. Racist homophobes, really? Are their heads so far up Obama’s behind that the only explanation they can come up with for people not liking him is his skin color? What about his largely unknown past, his relative obscurity until just a few years ago, his radical associations, his strong liberal bent, and what he’s tried to do in the last few months? They’re blinded by their infatuation for him.
The lesson here is that Obama’s skin color is supposed to prevent criticism. Also, conservatives aren’t allowed to have legitimate grievances or exercise first amendment rights.
changer1701 on September 14, 2009 at 4:19 PM
— Mahatma Gandhi
phillypolitics on September 14, 2009 at 4:21 PM
BTW, Hack Cafferty, who actually gets paid by some backwater operation called “CNN”, just did his best to characterize Saturday’s protestors as absolute kooks.
I’m sure Axelrod will have a little something for Hack at the end of the week.
Del Dolemonte on September 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM
A vast majority would only leave room for a small minority.
Patrick S on September 14, 2009 at 4:22 PM
No third party, not with people like Obama and Pelosi and Reid in charge of the government. I know I would not vote for one. Not now.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Decider:
I know a lot of Democrats and socalled progressives who are racists.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:24 PM
Probably plenty, which I how Obama will likely win in ’12.
spmat on September 14, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Decider tells a Lie ..
wheels on September 14, 2009 at 4:25 PM
You’re an asshole, Marc Ambinder.
I posted this on another thread, but it bears repeating here.
I was listening to Andrew Wilkow’s show today on XM, and a caller said that he was driving home to San Antonio TX from the DC march. He described himself as a black guy, 6′ 2″ and 300 lbs. He was literally in tears, sobbing, describing how friendly and hospitable everyone was to him, and that 2 of the strangers he met at the rally called him on his cell phone to make sure he was alright driving home. He deeply resented the charges of racism against the good Americans who participated in this march.
I got a bit choked up myself just listening to the guy.
F**k anyone who says that this has anything to do with race.
UltimateBob on September 14, 2009 at 4:25 PM
You say “swiftboat” in a pejorative way, as if to dismiss the grassroots movement (in this case, a bunch of vets who got together to express their 1st amendment rights) that was behind it.
Just because progs like to relabel the truth as a lie doesn’t mean the rest of us have to buy into it.
vapig on September 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Yup. I like the “EMG” message the best.
ChipDWood on September 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM
It’s equal in size to a small majority.
Daggett on September 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Lets not even entertain the idea of a third party candidate.
We know where that road leads. Lets cultivate our own conservative candidates . We can start by supporting Scott Brown for Kennedy’s Senate seat
sonnyspats1 on September 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM
According to the douche bag (Charles Johnson) over at the Little Green Football. Everybody who attended to the Tea Parties protests were right wing extremists…
ZoneDaiatlas on September 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Their still not listening. obama brought the Chicago mobster mentality with him to DC, it’s like obamas saying;
‘Don’t wanna do it my way huh, nice country ya got there, be a shame something happen to it.’
DougDavis on September 14, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Let the moderates in the GOP go to the Dems or start their own party. Conservatives are taking back their party and their country. Our memories will not forget what Perot did to America.
mobydutch on September 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Keep it up. Please keep it up and I will be an even more proud racist.
jukin on September 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Ehh, no one cares what these shills think anyway. If the libs monopolized the media still, Obama wouldn’t be falling so hard into a heap of Pelosi’s and Reid’s manure.
The way I figure it, they don’t even believe what they’re saying. It’s just progressive-porn for the crazies who want to believe a majority in this country want a Mussolini or Chavez make Amtrack run on time and build windmills across the countryside.
jhffmn on September 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM
NO THIRD PARTY!!
sonnyspats1 on September 14, 2009 at 4:27 PM
I think people are honestly afraid that the spending will turn the US into Argentina. It is amazing to me how many supposedly smart people seem so indifferent to the staggering deficits and the unprecedented growth of the government. They seem to think that Obama is their man and he would not lie to him. Sort of like Tammy Wynette singing Stand by your Man. Self destructive and deluded..that is what that kind of thinking is.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:28 PM
The real racism resides in the Democrat Party. They can’t stop talking about it. They can’t stop projecting it on to Republicans. The journalists can’t stop writing and pontificating about it. They use it as a club.
It just isn’t there, yet they keep on keeping on. This “You are a racist, but you don’t know it,” is just about the sillist thing I have ever heard. It’s just a psychological game they play.
BetseyRoss on September 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Racism is the Democratic Party’s dirty little secret. Its political elite represent the slaveowners, and the black Democratic politicians are the African slave traders and the overseers of the inner-cities. Time for blacks to wake up; they deserve better from their Democratic leaders.
BuckeyeSam on September 14, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Opposite.
It’s interesting how both sides so distort reality sometimes that they can’t even recognize agreement when it’s obvious the intent.
That’s when, to me, the filters of anger override commonsense.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 4:31 PM
The last I checked “groups” were made up of “individuals”. Beyond that, I’m not even sure what you meant.
MarkABinVA on September 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM
moby:
I don’t think that is a good idea. Conservatives are not a majority, they need some moderates and centrists if they are going to win. That does not mean that the party can not have conservative principles, but when running in some states where the population is not as conservative, the rank and file Republicans might not be as conservative either. If all those people go over to the Democrats, conservatives lose and the Democrats win.
The point, I think is to take the party in a direction that offers a clear difference to the Democrats. Believe it or not there are plenty of Independents and center right people out there who are concerned about the out of the control spending.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM
What they do not understand is that this is NOT Racist… but it IS about CULTURE.
There are a lot of anecdotes about Blacks, who were very well received at this event… especialy those who SPOKE at the event…
Key here is that many of us, myself included, have watched the inner cities as the Black Subculture keeps its own people down… how its spokemen, like… oh… Kanye, disrupt what we consider basic societal norms…
We watch the corruption in Mexico, and see it exported to our country. We see MILLIONS of illegals flouting the very Law which our Country is based on (as a Republic).
We see inroads of Sharia law, in our cities and towns, and read story after story of how their culture of inequality and religous bigotry creates chaos in our country…
And these things scare the bejesus out of us…
But it would not matter if it was WHITE people acting this way… or black, or green… its HOW they act, and how their actions and beliefs are incompatable with the Culture we created in America…
Romeo13 on September 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM
You’re an idiot and an a$$hole, Marc Ambinder.
I posted this earlier on another thread, but it bears repeating here.
I was listening to Andrew Wilkow’s show today on XM, and heard a caller say that he was driving home to San Antonio TX from the DC march. He described himself as a black guy, 6′ 2″ and 300 lbs. He was literally in tears, sobbing, describing how friendly and hospitable everyone was to him, and that 2 of the strangers he met at the rally called him on his cell phone to make sure he was alright driving home. He deeply resented the charges of racism against the good Americans who participated in this march.
I got a bit choked up myself just listening to the guy.
F**k anyone who says that this has anything to do with race.
UltimateBob on September 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Denial, I think, Terrey. It’s a God-given defense mechanism. :)
It’ll work until it quits working.
It’s just too scary to contemplate for some. They are in an odd intellectual spot. They want to be the progressives, but they are actually defending the status quo.
And that’s a hard spot.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Unlike the squeaky-clean, oh-so-pure party that gave the world the Klan, Jim Crow, and “affirmative discrimination”? The Democrats, who have taken to reacting to ANY criticism or disagreement as stemming solely from race hatred? The folks who threaten race wars if their policies aren’t passed? The folks who demand that the Atlanta mayor’s office be “kept black”?
Ya might wanna be dealing with the beam in your own eye.
Crawford on September 14, 2009 at 4:33 PM
The truth revealed itself thanks to the “swiftboat” tactics which were never refuted and demonstrated Kerry’s cowardice and willingness to lie.
You routinely and intentionally fail to hold yourselves accountable for your actions. Then like now humanoids like you resort to whining and name calling because you have nothing to refute the charges leveled against you.
jdkchem on September 14, 2009 at 4:34 PM
To have stopped the Swift Boaters (aka truth tellers) all Kerry would have needed to do was release his military records. Now he said he would many times but never did.
Kind of the same way with all of Obama’s records. Why would he spend millions to keep them hidden?
jukin on September 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM
I think where the real leader will emerge is someone who can figure out where the agreements are and build from there.
We’ll see. I personally don’t think a strictly negative “push-back” effort will work. It’s about the same as what the Dems did against Bush. That’s not working, now that they won.
Someone needs to emerge with a truly political sense of what WILL work.
I suppose that’s asking for too much.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM
We did too. Neat.
Anna on September 14, 2009 at 4:35 PM
What’s his deal anyway? I haven’t been there in ages but used to like the site. Is he at least still hard on terrorism?
MarkABinVA on September 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM
AnninCA:
I am an old broad, I was a very young one when Kerry sat in the front of Congress and accused American soldiers of rampant rape and murder. I can remember him even then, throwing his medals over the wall. When the Democrats nominated him, I thought to myself, How could they nominate a man so widely despised by vets and the military to be Commander in Chief? They should have seen that coming.
That was an old grudge, and it was not a lie.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM
AS to the Third Party?
If the Repubs don’t go Fiscal Conservative and Smaller Government (which they did not when we let them have both Houses and the Presidency)… if they did not learn the lesson of the last two election cycles?
Then we DON’T have two parties… we have ONE party, with two faces, squabling over which one gets to tell us how to live…
Romeo13 on September 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM
You do have to wonder — are the racists the people who can express, clearly, why they disagree with someone without ever citing “race”, or the people who refuse to accept any reason EXCEPT “race” as the basis of disagreement?
Crawford on September 14, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Romeo:
Thus far the Republicans are doing a lot better at holding the line on spending, however, if people go off and support a third party they know can not win..then they might as well vote for the Democrats. same difference. When was the last time anyone heard of Ross Perot…other than making Clinton president with 42% of the vote, what was his long term contribution?
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM
The only racism is coming from the DNC. The very formation of the DNC was based on racism. The only racism I’ve seen is coming from the left. They’ve used the race-card so often it has totally lost whatever meaning it once had.
Ignore it your own peril because the blow-back is gonna be a bitch!
vapig on September 14, 2009 at 4:37 PM
You wouldn’t like the answer, I would guess. Therefore, back to square one. Too many people looking for something because it’s “free” is a big part of the problem.
MarkABinVA on September 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM
Did acorn run out of little boys for you?
jdkchem on September 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM
AnninCA:
Yes, denial is a defense mechanism, that is true.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Sorry, but Obama’s Budget passed….
Tarp passed…
Cash for Clunkers passed…
Please explain to me how EFFECTIVE the Republicans are being at “holding the line”?
Romeo13 on September 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM
It’s pretty obvious that the drive-bys are being fed their talking points, chief among them being that these “teabaggers” are a bunch of redneck racists who can’t stand the sight of a (half)black man being President.
Never mind that a (full)black man is the head of the RNC. Never mind that this same individual was the Senate candidate in Maryland in 2006. Never mind that same year a (full)black man, Lynn Swann, ran as the GOP candidate for Governor in Pennsylvania. Never mind that same year a (full)black man, Ken Blackwell, ran as the GOP candidate for Governor in Ohio. Never mind that both Secretaries of State in the Bush administration were (full)black.
I think you get the point. The media have created(or have been given) their theme and they’re running with it. And it’s no longer just idiots like Janeane Garafolo or Keith Uberskank who are promoting this. It’s the anchors themselves on MSDNC and CNN. It’s columnists and reporters at major papers.
But it’s not working and it won’t work for two reasons. One, the drive-bys’ monopoly is dead. Alternative media like talk radio, blogs, Fox News, and now ordinary citizens like O’Keefe and Giles are the future. And two, there are serious problems facing this country right now, in particular the economy and Afghanistan. It’s not like everything’s hunky dory and we just can’t stand the sight of Obama.
Doughboy on September 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Well, Marc, I do understand how easy it can be to see dark and malevolent forces where none exists…hopefully you will recover.
Horatius on September 14, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Pavlov’s Dog. This is how minorities are “trained” to react.
If they don’t, they don’t get a treat.
BobMbx on September 14, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Heh terror, I believe that the majority of Americans are consevative. Now, I think Axelrod would differ.
mobydutch on September 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM
True but it is really apparent in the Republican party.
Decider on September 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM
The elections in 2010 will be the primary message. Marches are obviously rife for controversy. MM says 2 million, obviously prematurely, and that has set off the debate. (Mistake, in my opinion, to go down that road. but it’s done.)
But the elections in 2010 really will tell the story.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM
We’re a nation of 4 parties stuck in a two party system that doesn’t agree with any of them.
Before you try to form a replacement party you MUST fight for run off elections or as Allah said, you will only split the vote and get the one you REALLY didn’t want in.
- The Cat
P.S. Change the primary system where so it’s not the first five states that picks who runs.
MirCat on September 14, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Doughboy:
It is also true that Americans know the Tea Party people. There was a rally in Quincy, Ill that drew over 12,000 the same day of the march in DC. These folks are everywhere and just about everyone knows them..well except for the sheltered people in the national media who seem to look upon average Americans as if they newly discovered natives in the Congo or the Amazon Basin.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Why? I don’t know you and have no bone to pick with you. You said, “If there is staying power and, I think, there is, then the “swiftboat” tactics don’t hold up on a group level.”
As though the swiftboat commercials were somehow false and misleading – which is how the DNC portrayed them.
Whatever your intent was, how did I misread that?
vapig on September 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM
The video seemed to be a commercial to promote the notion of a third party candidate. I do not agree with that. I think that conservatives within the republican party and those hoping to be elected in 2010 need to fight back and defy the current “republicans” that seem to have been castrated by political correctness….ala McCain and Graham and many more.
Joe Wilson had it right and he is not backing down. Republicans need to go “ALL IN for 2010″ HMMM That sounds like a good slogan, “ALL IN for 2010″. I think I’ll use that again.
Nelsa on September 14, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Completely disagree. I met more democrats than republicans on the metro to the march and at the march.
Perot? Not on your life.
Third party with a small platform, NO SOCIAL ISSUES, it’s the way the divide and conquer.
Fight corruption, abolish the FED, abolish the federal income tax, state’s rights, reduce the federal gov’t power.
joshlbetts on September 14, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Decider:
I don’t think that is true. In fact I think the notion that Republicans are more racist than Democrats is a flat out lie.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM
The debate was set when I kept hearing on the radio “tens of thousands” on my way back home. It was closer to 2 million.
I was there. You were not.
The media is complicit in the fed govt corruption.
joshlbetts on September 14, 2009 at 4:49 PM
I think our next target should be the individual offices of the MSM outlets. We can no longer have media ownership in bed with the politicians. I like the EMG (Everyone Must Go). We get the government we vote for.
d1carter on September 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM
There will be no third party in 2012.
Sarah Palin is smart, VERY.
She will run and win the GOP nomination.
In the event that the Tea Party Movement morphs into a new political party, the only real candidate of strength that overlaps with much of their platform is Sarah Palin.
And, without her, the movement will not have a strong candidate to pull it off.
The only way it will go third-party is if the GOP establishment continues to ignore it and keeps going RINO and trying to be liked: McCainism
Sapwolf on September 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM
In fact I read Clarence Thomas’s memoir My Grandfather’s Son and he made it plain that one of the reasons he left the socalled progressives was that he felt they used African Americans to do all sorts of social experiments, with the intent of creating dependence.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:50 PM
People including Nobel Laureate Jame Buchanan , our largest creditor, China, who we just started a trade war with, the UN, and the IMF. I think we are in good company.
jhffmn on September 14, 2009 at 4:51 PM
I was stating that the media is trying to swiftboat the teaparties.
Opposite of your response.
Doesn’t really matter to me, btw. Perception is all. I personally think the teaparties aren’t a bunch of loonies, although some surely are. I don’t think they are a fly-by-night reactionary group, though some are.
I think even the GOP is discounting them unfairly and without due consideration.
And I don’t think they care. This is a movement with legs.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Prrof please. Just saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true.
vapig on September 14, 2009 at 4:52 PM
I was there, and I’ve already been to the March for Life.
The March for Life had 250-300k.
This one was MUCH MUCH bigger.
I put the count from 1.0-1.3 million.
This force is for real. It will be interesting to see where it goes at the national level since it has no national leadership yet.
It needs to stay outside the parties in order to keep its ferocious power.
Sapwolf on September 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I think one thing that makes it harder to gauge the numbers is that a lot of people did not have permits to be there. So that confused the counting. But from the pics I have seen it looks to me like it rivaled some of the larger rallies in history.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I personally think the numbers game is just an invite for nonsensical debate, since there’s really no verification. That’s my complaint about Michelle M.’s pronouncement. She triggered off, predictably, the meme about the numbers. To what purpose?
The focus should be on the message.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 4:55 PM
And that is what I thought you meant. You are using the term “swiftboat” as though it is a smear-campaign. A false-hood. This is what people here can’t get past because the Swiftboat commercials were accurate and not a smear campaign. Please stop using this term, as you are offending a great many people!
vapig on September 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM
I’m sure it’s been said before in this or other venues: one candidate for Senate committed to saying no on Unanimous Consent every time it comes up. We can call it the NUC Party.
The result would be like eating 10 pounds of cheese: takes forever to get anything out.
We only need the One.
karl9000 on September 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM
AnninCa:
Yeah, I think the media is trying to discount them.
I don’t know if that is true with the GOP, DeMint and Pence were there the other day. I think the problem the GOP has is that a lot of these folks do not want to be absorbed into either party, they want to do their own thing…at the same time they want respect from the politicians. So that means some people want the Republican pols there and some people just want them to get lost.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 4:57 PM
It’s not a numbers game. CNN, NYT, Washington Post, etc. are off my an order of magnitude.
It proves they are not biased, but willfully lying to protect a corrupt government.
joshlbetts on September 14, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Racism is the only issue keeping the Conservative message silent in minority communities including the Jewish community. If Conservatives could overcome racism then they could develop a multi-racial coalition that would have a permanent majority due to the logic of the Conservative message.
Conservative pundits such as Glenn Beck tailor their message to appeal to the lowest common denominator which is racism. Glenn Beck and his ilk make more money by having a strong minority than he would by having a mainstream majority. A mainstream majority would be spread across multiple outlets and it would dilute his ratings.
Decider on September 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM
I’ll think about that one. Seems to me you’re a bit over-sensitive.
But whatever.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 4:59 PM
You’re a liar. Corruption keeps the conservative message silent.
Notice I said conservative, not republican.
joshlbetts on September 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM
As are most forms of liberal argumentation. They think they’re enlightened and intellectually superior, completely oblivious to the reality that most of them are deluded by the smallness of their own intellects.
When I look behind the huffery and puffery of their fact-void, sadly specious “logic”, what I most often see are pathetic little souls, terrified at the prospect of their own eternal extinction, unable or unwilling to exercise the living faith upon which true happiness and eternal life are built.
They are to be pitied, not despised.
mr.blacksheep on September 14, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Perhaps. There’s no official verification of numbers. Yet the readers want a number.
I’m a bit more sympathetic to media on this issue. I don’t think they are trying to downplay anything. I do think they are playing a bit of a political game in the storywriting.
It’s a no-win situation for journalism on this deal.
My point, which I will keep repeating, is that Michelle M. started this with the 2 million estimate.
That kicks the football into a numbers game. I really thought/think that did a disservice to the tea parties. It wasn’t a numbers game. There was legitimate and interesting content going on.
Too bad we’re all talking about the numbers. She played a part in that one, big time.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 5:03 PM
Decider:
For one thing, Beck does not speak for every conservative, in fact he is a libertarian…for another you keep yammering about racism, but you do not give one single example of it.
In fact when it comes to antisemitism, Jane Fonda and Jesse Jackson and Reverend Wright have been known to make far more offensive comments than any conservative.
And I grew up in Oklahoma and now I live in Indiana…I can assure you that I know plenty of traditional Democrats who are most certainly racist. They just like to win and so they pretend that Obama’s race does not bother them..but it does.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 5:04 PM
I mean look at New Orleans, Detroit, LA, and a few other progessive cities, look at what they have done to the minority populations that live in those areas.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Says the guy who votes for the party that thinks minorities are too stupid to or otherwise unable to take care of themselves. Yes that would be the democrats.
You are irony personified! Salut!
daesleeper on September 14, 2009 at 5:08 PM
No doubt about it. But I rather like Palin for just this reason. I think that the current GOP was absolutely in the dumper. They had no voice, no strength, nothing. The insider pundits were predicting a complete demise of the entire party.
Now, they have voice. Why? The Teaparties, which are erroneously connected to the insider GOP guys.
Today, there was an article by Frum, the speechwriter of Bush, denouncing the teaparties as loonies.
Amazing. How many ways can you shoot yourself in the foot.
The GOP really needs a big housecleaning, in my opinion.
AnninCA on September 14, 2009 at 5:10 PM
I don’t belong to a party. Both parties are the same to me. Both are lead by Lobbyists who pay their bills. I am simply pointing out a major problem for the Republican party.
Decider on September 14, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Once again, she has proven the old adage: “Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
GrannyDee on September 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Charles Johnson is also attacking Pajamas Media and Hot Air as a bunch of bigots. He is doing so using is smear by association ala Robert McCain. According to Chuckie, Max Blumenthal and a disgruntled ex-employee are sufficiently creditable sources to attack someone as a racist. Come on already, delink that Daily Kos wannabe.
Kalapana on September 14, 2009 at 5:12 PM
The 3rd party approach is worrisome, because it will split conservative votes. It would be better to work hard to bring in the right people for the job under the Republican banner.
joedoe on September 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM
I don’t know what happened to Charles Johnson.
Terrye on September 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM
They’re as corrupt as the dems. They can’t be trusted.
joshlbetts on September 14, 2009 at 5:16 PM
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