US accepts Iran talks offer, Iran hints at nuclear negotiations
posted at 9:33 am on September 12, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Last night, the media reported that the US had accepted an offer of direct talks with Iran for the first time without preconditions. The timing could not have been worse, since people across America had spent the day commemorating the deaths of 3,000 of their countrymen at the hands of the kind of radical Islamists that run Iran. Was the administration hoping to bury this in a Friday-afternoon document dump?
The United States has decided to ignore Iran’s refusal to discuss its nuclear program and instead accept a vague Iranian plan for talks on security issues as the opening gambit to draw Tehran into real negotiation.
The effort to “test” Iran’s intentions, announced on Friday, came after Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said his country is skeptical of the need for new sanctions on Iran, giving the Americans little choice but to treat seriously Iran’s latest offer.
Iran this week ruled out talks on its program, instead offering a five-page plan that it said would lay the groundwork for peace and stability in the region. The document, first posted Thursday on the Web site of ProPublica news service, made no reference to international demands that Iran suspend its efforts to enrich uranium, but did mention ending proliferation in nuclear weapons as well as a broad offer of dialogue.
Iran’s plan was disappointing but not surprising to U.S. officials, who nonetheless decided to take at face value the offer of a dialogue. Iran has insisted that the intent of its program is peaceful, but enriching uranium can be an element in building a nuclear weapon — though Tehran has not yet demonstrated it can enrich to a weapons-grade level.
This was a strange way to roll out the talks. Obama campaigned on offering this kind of direct diplomacy to Iran, so it’s not exactly a surprise to see this kind of strategy from the administration. One might have thought that the White House would hail this as a breakthrough, but on some other day than the eighth anniversary of 9/11. The late release of the agreement doesn’t help in that regard, either; it makes them look as though they know they have something to hide, rather than something to trumpet.
Aside from the remarkably tone-deaf timing, though, it’s not a surprise at all. Obama has three basic choices for policy change when it comes to Iran: go to war, increase the sanctions to attempt to change their behavior, or open direct negotiations. None of these are completely mutually exclusive, for that matter. Obama simply will not take the first option — no one can seriously think that Obama would declare war on anyone absent a military attack on the US — and Russia pulled the rug out from underneath the second option. China wouldn’t have supported more sanctions either. That meant either the status quo or an offer for direct talks.
Interestingly, this morning the Iranians offered a little give in their public position:
Iran’s foreign minister said Saturday that talks with world powers on his country’s nuclear program were a “possibility” — an apparent step up from Tehran’s offer this week to discuss only “global challenges” with the West.
Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said he welcomed talks with the U.S. and its partners, adding that “should conditions be ripe, there is a possibility of talks about the nuclear issue.”
The remarks came on the heel’s of a decision by the United States and partner nations to accept Iran’s proposal for talks — even though Tehran had said the nuclear issue was not on the table — and indicated Iran’s eagerness for a direct dialogue.
That’s much more give than the Iranians have ever publicly offered. Do they really want to put their nuclear program on the table? Of course not. The Iranians understand that this concession by Obama and other UNSC nations will not be popular in the West, especially in the US. They want to give Obama and other leaders a piece of paper they can wave in the air while promising “peace in our time,” in order to give them enough political cover to continue.
At this point, though, there doesn’t seem to be much opportunity for success through policy change. Obama won’t go to war, and in any event a war against Iran would be a very ill-advised affair; Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan, except in the worst possible ways for terrain and fanaticism. The rest of the world won’t tighten sanctions enough to change Iran’s course. Talks will be fruitless and will likely lull the West while Iran completes its bomb and tightens its oppression, plus it has the effect of endorsing the regime that just rigged an election and triggered a promising uprising among the Iranian people. In this case, the status quo was the better option.










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Birds of a feather are making deals.
rplat on September 12, 2009 at 9:40 AM
Carter-the-Taller’s ‘Desert Two’.
Limerick on September 12, 2009 at 9:42 AM
“The US has accepted……..nuff said imo.
Itchee Dryback on September 12, 2009 at 9:43 AM
next attack on us soil will be nuclear…thanks oboobi you coward.
SHARPTOOTH on September 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Not hoping to bury, not tone-deaf, this was a deliberate ‘thumb in the eye’ of the conservative 9/12 anti-government, anti-obama protesters.
Skandia Recluse on September 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM
This prick can have NK and Iran in the room at the same time for “3 party talks” and give Chavez observer status. What’s the sense in giving away America’s security drip by drip if you can get it done in one fell swoop.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Let’s assume Iran did put its nuclear program on the table. What’s the discussion going to be?
Iran knows – as does the rest of the world – that the US will not go to war, at least until 2013 when Barry might be outski. Sanctions won’t work without Russia and China. What, exactly, could we offer that would interest Iran?
ManUFan on September 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM
This pri*k can have NK and Iran in the room at the same time for “3 party talks” and give Chavez observer status. What’s the sense in giving away America’s security drip by drip if you can get it done in one fell swoop.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 9:45 AM
Me thinks Iran wants the O-hole to protect them from the Israelies.
1921 C DRUM on September 12, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Our own Chocolate Chávez, don’t you just love ‘im?
RedRedRice on September 12, 2009 at 9:46 AM
Iran likely thinks that by “engaging” with 0bama, that will keep the Israelis from striking until they get the bomb and nuke Tel Aviv.
Rebar on September 12, 2009 at 9:47 AM
Apparently they did not listen to the supreme leaders sermon yesterday, he categorically stated that there wont be any negotiation on the nuclear issue, so I have no idea what these talks would accomplish. This will just give the hard-liners an upper hand in their struggles with the reformist. The hard-liners can do what ever they want to their people and the western countries will still talk to them.
How about including basic human rights in the talks? They are not going to give up the nuclear issue, we are just going to stand aside and let them get nuclear bombs and nuke us all. Unbelievable.
dmnari on September 12, 2009 at 9:48 AM
They embraced one-on-one with the Norks yesterday too, and turned a blind eye to Hugo’s purchase of a Russian ballistic missle system.
Up next, Booooooooooooooooooooosh sucks!
Limerick on September 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Here’s the thing: as long as its neighbors have nuclear weapons, Iran will want to have nuclear weapons. The US government can do nothing to change this fact. I suspect they are trying to buy time before they actually finish the nuclear weapon that they seek to develop.
nyx on September 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM
I’ve just posted in the Green Room about similarly disquieting news regarding the UK and Libya.
What’s old is new again, and nothing more so than appeasement.
Track-A-'Crat on September 12, 2009 at 9:51 AM
I question the timing. NK has just conned the US into direct talks as well.
OldEnglish on September 12, 2009 at 9:52 AM
Aaaaand I forgot to link to the Green Room post, which is here.
Track-A-'Crat on September 12, 2009 at 9:52 AM
More and more I believe that a third World War is inevitable. It will be started by Islamic terrorists detonating a nuclear device on American soil, and end in essentially the complete destruction of the Middle East, by their own hands, and by ours.
This saddens me more than I can say and makes me fear for the world that my daughters will be growing up in.
I’d like to hope that I’m just being paranoid here, and that things really aren’t that bad. But I see so little room for hope.
Chris of Rights on September 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Sorry Lim, I feel like Loki, stealing your fire.
OldEnglish on September 12, 2009 at 9:54 AM
They had a border with Russia since the first Russian bomb and that didn’t seem to phase them. Or are you talking about David’s nukes?
Limerick on September 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM
“Obama won’t go to war”
uh, Ed – it only takes one side to start a war……
rock the casbah on September 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM
No harm no foul. There is strength in numbers ;)
Limerick on September 12, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Does anyone recall the debates last year when the 14 dem candidates or every how many there were that the man who looked different or so he said state that Iran acquiring nuclear weapons is unacceptable and would not happen under his administration.
Now was that a line of shit or what?
Nanzi open up the swamp drain again, it clogged with a new turd.
bluegrass on September 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM
Israel’s window is closing fast.
OldEnglish on September 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM
And they’ve had David’s since before the Islamic Republic.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM
I thought the President was supposed to be America’s greatest Advocate. Not its’ worst enemy.
kingsjester on September 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM
What’s changed, is Iraq.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM
What’s changed, is Iraq.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 9:58 AM
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You are delussional
bluegrass on September 12, 2009 at 9:59 AM
Iran can’t compete with Russia or Israel despite their like/dislike of these countries. But if Pakistan can have nuclear weapons, then their thinking goes, so can we.
nyx on September 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Yep. Military history will record it as one of the biggest blunders. We had Iran between the anvil(Iraq) and the hammer(Afghanistan), and changed our mind.
Limerick on September 12, 2009 at 10:00 AM
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 10:02 AM
Osama Obama: America’s Surrender-Monkey-in-Chief.
He is throwing us to the wolves faster than expected. Surely this is enough to promote at least some mild peeps of complaint from the worthless Repubs in Congress?
I certainly don’t expect the totalitarian thugs from the left to care that our security — and that of our few true allies — is being trashed by cozying up to the Norks and Mad Mahmoud.
As Ed pointed out, that this should come out on the 9/11 anniversary is simply a sign of the utter contempt the Chicago Jesus feels for the country that his given him far more than he deserved.
Impeachment: Formerly desirable, now necessary.
MrScribbler on September 12, 2009 at 10:05 AM
I just pray this great nation can survive three more years of this naive fool’s presidency.
AZCoyote on September 12, 2009 at 10:07 AM
Nope, sold out by a smooth talking confidence man.
Skandia Recluse on September 12, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Uh, hello…didn’t they just find a whole bunch of Iranian made weapons in Afghanistan? The kind used mostly to kill our soldiers?
scalleywag on September 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM
Wow. Just wow.
Obama announces plans to negotiate with terrorists on the anniversary of 9/11.
Dhimmi much?
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 10:10 AM
“History as a sense of humor” – General Robert E Lee, July 3rd, 1863, (the night before Picketts Charge).
Limerick on September 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM
I hate to mention Reagan’s mistakes, since he didn’t make many, but his handling of Iran could have been better. Call me a Monday morning quarterback, but he should have bombed Iran from the day he took office and periodically during his whole presidency. I would like, just once, to bomb a country without having to rebuild it and don’t even get me started on this nation building stuff.
DFCtomm on September 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Where in the world did you ever get that idea. -_*
thomasaur on September 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Not really the case. If it’s a “rogue” attack (I think “terrorist” is out now), Barry could very well caution against an “over-reaction” against actual mid-East territory. He could treat it as a criminal matter, and not take us to “war”.
Not sure that would be the popular thing to do – but I don’t think he cares what we think.
ManUFan on September 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM
I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH ED here. There are more than three options.
At the very least, giving Israel a winkwinknudgenudge to attack is an option. Additionally, there’s the deniable covert strike option where “terrorists” (they’re so hard to find in that region) open some valves at an Iranian refinery and let the fires begin. Deniable economic strikes like that are very feasible with Iran.
scottm on September 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM
Barry better take some KY with him. He’s about to get punked.
GarandFan on September 12, 2009 at 10:23 AM
This most likely would quickly evolve to a discussion on Israeli nukes. Iran will not give up its nuke program, and will attempt to bait the US to put pressure on Israel about its nukes. With new rumors of potential Israeli strikes on Iran, I question the timing and motives of Iran.
ICBM on September 12, 2009 at 10:24 AM
With Obama in office I don’t think the “winkwinknudgenudge” thing is really required. I imagine Israel is feeling pretty isolated at the moment: isolated, bristling with nukes, and surrounded by enemies.
DFCtomm on September 12, 2009 at 10:26 AM
Draw Tehran? Uh, yeah. Right.
There are preconditions. Iran set them.
MikeA on September 12, 2009 at 10:28 AM
The day Biden put out his “global test….unpopular choices” statement was the day Barry and the Crew declared their intent to Israel. It wasn’t a warning terrorists, Cossakcs, or ChiCom hords. It was a warning to David that he is to be exposed on a rock as the U.S. cuts off all aid and sides with his enemies.
Limerick on September 12, 2009 at 10:31 AM
Barry’s chances of remaining in office for his full term seems more and more everyday to be in the hands of others–foreign and domestic. Not a pretty place to be.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 10:35 AM
This is all aimed at undermining Israel. If we are in talks with Iran and Israel attacks, then it is clear that we are not supporting Israel. And Israel will not attack unless we give them the green light. So this is an attempt to stop an Israeli attack on Iran. It is not a coincidence that this is coming out right when we heard reports of Netanyahu going secretly to Russia. This administration is mishievous and highly anti-Israeli.
milemarker2020 on September 12, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Obama bows to “The Supreme Leader”.
We’ve got a weak horse.
Iran will ride it.
To nuclear capacity and atomic terrorism.
Thanks 52% of America for an incompetent Child-In-Chief.
profitsbeard on September 12, 2009 at 10:47 AM
What, is ‘accept’ an unAmerican word now? The part of ‘No’ strikes again.
Grow Fins on September 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM
The timing of the announcement is actually irrelevant, if you’re an adult and know the jacka$$es in Iran have to be dealt with regardless of what day it is on the calendar.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Guess who’s coming to dinner!–White House
maverick muse on September 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM
yawn – no surprise here. Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do from the campaign…..
Elections have consequences. Let’s hope there will be elections in 2012 so we can begin to get our Country back.
tatersalad on September 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM
The US didn’t accept anything, Obama did. The two are completely separate entities.
Anyone disagree?
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM
The US didn’t accept anything, Obama did. The two are completely separate entities.
Anyone disagree?
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Yup…like or not, the US President IS the US when it comes to foreign policy.
tatersalad on September 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Well, Bibi, the ball’s in your court.
petefrt on September 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM
I can’t imagine what America and Iran have to talk about.
I gather America wants to buy off the wily Muslims with baskets of cash and gift certificates and an open ended opportunity to come to America and watch a ball game over a halal beer. They will be happy to take the tribute you offer but everything will be on their terms. I suppose you should treat them like the sacred Saudis.
BL@KBIRD on September 12, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Get ready to sling your stone David, the giant approaches.
infidel4life on September 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM
Yup.
Thankfully (I guess) I live in the southern hinterlands. Unfortunately, the rest of my family is scattered through NY and DC and all points in between.
NoLeftTurn on September 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM
It has always been clear that Obama is anti-Israel.
Those who elected Obama made it clear that they do not support Israel.
All those couch-potatoes who stayed home from voting 2008 made it clear that they do not support Israel.
There is a large contingency in America that does not support Israel, and the Usurper Obama has their support from the Oval Office of our White House.
As Fred Thompson put it to Obama on his radio show yesterday:
When Dinner Jacket makes his next speech at the UN, Security Council ‘Chairman Bury’ will be serving caviar and vodka prior to the celebrity White House dinner celebrating the fall of Israel.
maverick muse on September 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM
How many EFP attacks on American servicemen, suicide truck bombings, or Pasdaran snatch-and-grabs of US soldiers equals an “military attack on the US”?
Does it matter that Iran has openly preached and fought (mostly covert) war against the US for thirty years?
Just asking. Our political and military establishment is far too interested in winning hearts and minds to do what it takes to survive in the Islamic Century, millennium? A la Dr. No, they keep telling us “No infidels, I expect you to (convert or) die.” But we don’t like that answer so let’s pretend that’s not what they say.
Beagle on September 12, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Let’s say I’m a neighbor and I speak openly about destroying you, GF. Then you learn I paid people to kill some of your loved ones. Oh and also you find out I’m building a device that will flatten your home and kill all the occupants.
You’re a strong man though, and nobody can really stop you from dealing with me. I’m obviously a big threat to many of your weaker neighbors as well. However, a lot of other people implore you to just sit down with me and find a happy middle ground. What are you going to do, tough guy?
Patrick S on September 12, 2009 at 11:15 AM
Iran and North Korea too. HT to Drudge:
Friday Night White House Policy Dump:
Administration abandons six-party talks; capitulates to NKorea… US Shifts Policy, Willing to Meet 1-on-1 With North Korea
petefrt on September 12, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Taqiyya, anyone?
infidel4life on September 12, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Baloney. The symbolism will not be lost on the Islamics in Iran, they know exactly what it means.
infidel4life on September 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM
This is an American matter, Drywall. Take a hike.
Patrick S on September 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM
I recall House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, against protocol of her office and against the Bush Administration, traveling through the Middle East to undermine official US foreign policy. “Expressing opposition is as patriotic as you can get.”
And treaties require Congressional ratification, not merely Presidential or State Department negotiations.
Our Constitution still stands, even if the Democrats own Washington at the moment. “Yup…like or not,” the POTUS is not a totalitarian dictator. And the further this illegitimate potus pushes the pendulum, the more resistance he will meet from the US citizens.
maverick muse on September 12, 2009 at 11:24 AM
er, I added military before attack at the last minute. Really I know the a-an rule. Since I hate posting a correction by itself, a waste of a post you know…
In case you’d like to know what the Muslim world talks about behind your back, check out the Islamic Awakening website.
Or search the term Sahwa Islamia.
We don’t like to force our values on nations like Afghanistan or Iran so we let them keep unequal, discriminatory, arbitrary, illogical, and bloody sharia. Unfortunately for us, they don’t have any such problems forcing us to live under sharia.
Beagle on September 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM
Not again. Of course I meant Iraq, not “Iran”.
Here’s a nice reminder of how Iran attacks us using proxies and we never do a damn thing.
Iran’s Pasdaran (Revolutionary Guards) is Hizballah of course. Anything which happens in Lebanon goes through Tehran, and nearly everything in Iraq these days.
Beagle on September 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Does it matter that Iran declared war against the US 30 years ago, and has been conducting their war against the US these many years? YES.
Don’t blame the military establishment for Robert Gates’ and politicians willing interest in winning hearts and minds for Obama: CIC Obama owns that onus now. Military commanders don’t appreciate the augmented-since-Bush-left laundry and shopping list Obama has burdened them with in the battle field, to be the cure-all for all-ills in Afghanistan.
Obama is gifting Afghanistan to Putin’s Russia, and gifting Israel to Iran; and Russia and Iran have already made alliance.
maverick muse on September 12, 2009 at 11:37 AM
This president has given no indication that he represents the best interests of the United States of America.
He’s caving to our enemies, apologizing for the US and bowing to Saudi kings. He wants to destroy the best health care system in the world and bring about a total collapse of our economy.
He is a rogue president, out to destroy OUR country by whatever means possible.
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM
The timing of the announcement is actually irrelevant
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Baloney. The symbolism will not be lost on the Islamics in Iran, they know exactly what it means.
infidel4life on September 12, 2009 at 11:22 AM
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Symbolism?
That the US announces it is forging ahead with Iran talks right around 9/11?
That shows the talks are a priority and they don’t take a backseat to solemn ceremonies.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM
The US didn’t accept anything, Obama did. The two are completely separate entities.
Anyone disagree?
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM
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If you honestly believe what you typed, I will agree that you’re a moron.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 11:42 AM
I think the Iranians are scared after Bibi went to Russia. There’s no other explanation – at least none that don’t make my head explode more than it has already.
hotdax on September 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM
This president has given no indication that he represents the best interests of the United States of America.
He’s caving to our enemies, apologizing for the US and bowing to Saudi kings. He wants to destroy the best health care system in the world and bring about a total collapse of our economy.
He is a rogue president, out to destroy OUR country by whatever means possible.
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM
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There is so much amazing stuff in your post! Thank you for that. That you believe you have the best healthcare in the world is incredible.
It’s such a shame that you lost the election. How’s that McCain-Palin buyer’s remorse? Still stinging real bad, isn’t it.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Let’s not get all wee wee’d up about bombs, rockets, and plastic explosives.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,548622,00.html
scalleywag on September 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM
the Obama era
maverick muse on September 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM
I do in principle, not that I would expect you to understand that.
Name calling. Wow, you got me Drywall. I feel so small and petty now. NOT.
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM
The timing of the announcement is actually irrelevant, if you’re an adult and know the jacka$$es in Iran have to be dealt with regardless of what day it is on the calendar.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM
This is an American matter, Drywall. Take a hike.
Patrick S on September 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM
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Hey how are your petitions going?
You know – the one calling for Hotair to only cover stories that happen on American soil?
What about the one calling for Americans to not comment on things happening in other countries? How’s that one going? Pretty awesome?
Genius. That’s you.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Obama: the
ManhurianSharia Candidate.Begging America into national shame, weakened defense and global insecurity.
profitsbeard on September 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Keep stepping in it Drywall.
You live in Canada don’t ya? People from your country come to ours for medical care, not the other way around.
As for losing the election, you’re right about that. We did not have a chance with McLame. The libs won. let me repeat that. THE LIBS WON. Yet they can’t get any kind of legislation passed while they control the house, the senate and the White House.
Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooosers.
Like you.
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM
“Go ahead, make a fool of yourself. Then maybe you’ll listen to your conscience.”
Obama, the POTUS without allegiance to the USA
as if international flirtations have no consequences
maverick muse on September 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Obama is meeting with them on their terms. They set the tone. They said talking about nukes is off the table.
Obama says “Otay”, bends over and presents himself to Ahmadinejad.
Adult, huh? LOL.
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM
I was pretty sure my point would escape you, dipsh!t. Terrorists attacked America on September 11, 2001 and 8 years later to the day, while hundreds of millions of Americans grieve, America’s president says he’ll sit with the biggest terrorist-sponsoring country in the world. Only a cold-hearted America hater like you could think this to be an acceptable move by the man that supposedly represents America. Putz.
Patrick S on September 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM
That post proves you really are as dumb as a sheet of drywall.
There really should be an is-there-anything-between-your-ears? test for HotAir registrations.
infidel4life on September 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Hey guys, look at the first fish I caught. Didn’t take much bait at all. I think I’ll hang it on my wall.
Dave’s my trophy troll now.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM
By your own words, you make what argument you meant irrelevant. Wisdom never forfeits advantage to the enemy. Conservatives are the adults knowing too well that Iran must be dealt with every day. And effective dealing NEVER strokes the enemy with gifts of our own blood sacrifice on their alter to their god or to any of their agendas. Words, just words and timing do reverberate whether you hear or not, whether you admit or not, whether you exist or not. What nuance or even shock waves emit matters.
maverick muse on September 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 12:06 PM
You caught a tunnel vision slimy bottom feeder eating his own worm.
maverick muse on September 12, 2009 at 12:21 PM
Another step in the Obama plan to cripple America.
Another stalling tactic by the Iranians to give them more time to build their nuke weapons and give cover from the Israeli military attack.
albill on September 12, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Dave Rywall is pretty bitter as his favorite political leaders are all academic foreign tards that have sunk his parties chances at government till some far off future. Dave is probably going to move to the US to be under more progressive leadership. It will be hard for him to leave Toronto behind won’t it Dave? Don’t let Drywall create your vision of Canadians. He is just a socialist tard like any democrat, thinks with his heart letting his brain rest up.
BL@KBIRD on September 12, 2009 at 12:31 PM
I think Hudna is more precise
agmartin on September 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM
How’s that one going? Pretty awesome?
Genius. That’s you.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I was pretty sure my point would escape you, dipsh!t. Terrorists attacked America on September 11, 2001 and 8 years later to the day, while hundreds of millions of Americans grieve, America’s president says he’ll sit with the biggest terrorist-sponsoring country in the world. Only a cold-hearted America hater like you could think this to be an acceptable move by the man that supposedly represents America. Putz.
Patrick S on September 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM
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Ha ha ha what a hilariously simpleton worldview you have there.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Yet they can’t get any kind of legislation passed while they control the house, the senate and the White House.
fogw on September 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM
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This is 100% correct. They need to stop reaching across the aisle and start telling your side to stfu and then get busy passing bills and getting things done. Trying to work with your side is pointless since it’s the GOP’s job to simply disagree with anything Obama proposes regardless of its merits. (i,.e “I’m not gonna read it I’m just gonna vote against it” idiocy) Obama could cure cancer and you would complain he’s putting doctors out of work.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, the clarion of liberty has spoken.
This sums up the entire leftie establishment.
DR, look in the mirror, sonny.
Schadenfreude on September 12, 2009 at 1:13 PM
In one night – we’ll talk to Iran and N. Korea. Peace will be upon the entire world by way of the Obama-wand.
Pakistan blows up the world…wait…we thought he was the Messiah…
Schadenfreude on September 12, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Symbolism is a favored puppy of the left, see Hollywood. Israel will deal with Iran, alright, because she has to.
Schadenfreude on September 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM
milemarker2020 on September 12, 2009 at 10:39 AM
The Israeli ploy may be the best prediction yet. Surely Iran is concerned about the clandestine trip to Moscow. However, the parallels here between Chamberlain and O’Bama are too stark to avoid. Iran knows that if they play the historical victim of and repressed by the West theme, Barry will glibly have another joint session of Congress to announce some grand ‘peace in our time’.
Stall, Stall, Stall. Appease the ‘muslim’ world. Very dangerous times we live in.
Starlink on September 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM
I subscribe to free speech, even if we disagree, contrary to your liberal “stfu”.
Look at your own healthcare system. I’ve seen with my own eyes that the pull catheters out of arteries in Canada, wash them with water, not even distilled, and insert them into another body. I’ve never seen that happen in the U.S. However, it happens also in Russia and a bunch of 3rd world countries.
Schadenfreude on September 12, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Please, please get the dems to do this.
I don’t mind so much the voting against a bill without reading it, but it’s the voting for bills without reading them that bothers me.
DFCtomm on September 12, 2009 at 1:34 PM
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