Senate to close ObamaCare loophole for illegal immigrants that media claims doesn’t exist
posted at 3:53 pm on September 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
I don’t get it. The modern-day Murrow told us last night that Joe Wilson was wrong, wrong, wrong.
If a man can’t trust Keith Olbermann to tell him the truth, who can he trust?
The controversy over Republican Rep. Joe Wilson’s shouting out “You Lie!” at the President over his claim that illegal immigrants wouldn’t benefit from health-care reform apparently sparked some reconsideration of the relevant language. “We really thought we’d resolved this question of people who are here illegally, but as we reflected on the President’s speech last night we wanted to go back and drill down again,” said Senator Kent Conrad, one of the Democrats in the talks after a meeting Thursday morning. Baucus later that afternoon said the group would put in a proof of citizenship requirement to participate in the new health exchange — a move likely to inflame the left.
Why would the left be inflamed? Putting laws on the books about illegal immigrants and then studiously ignoring them is a longstanding American tradition. Meanwhile, as expected, Wilson’s starting to rake in big dough from his outburst; a flash poll shows him actually trailing Rob Miller by a single point while the national media throws everything they’ve got at him, but expect Miller’s lead to go the way of The One’s bounce in the next few weeks as things calm down.
Pelosi’s going to try to extend the Two Minutes Hate by another minute next week with a floor resolution punishing Wilson for not apologizing profusely enough, I guess. A cynic might see it as an attempt to manufacture Democratic unity while war is waged over the public option behind the scenes; good thing I’m not a cynic. Oh, and on the very day that an unnamed senior White House official is calling Wilson “a pimple on the ass of progress,” former McCain aide Mark McKinnon is promising to donate to Wilson’s opponent because, see, he just can’t stand incivility. Exit question: Have he and Meghan McCain collectively uttered one unkind word about the torrent of “political terrorist”/angry mob rhetoric that’s been pouring from the mouth of the Democratic river this past month? Maybe they have and I’ve just missed it.
Update: Proving once again that Wilson’s entirely right to be suspicious of the left’s plans for illegals under ObamaCare, TPM sounds decidedly miffed that, ahem, “undocumented residents” won’t be allowed to buy health insurance. Fun Orwellian bonus: Aside from directly quoting Kent Conrad, the word “illegal” doesn’t appear in the post.
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Funny that your moron Precedent called her a “politician” in his totally unjustifiable Congressional address, that he called, abusing the power of the White House, in order to try and fool some into thinking his un-Constitutional federal power grab was somehow legitimate. Maybe you need to go set your brain-dead Precedent straight?
progressoverpeace on September 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Truth has a funny way of vindicating itself in the end.
jp on September 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Sssssmoking!
Maquis on September 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Gosh, Juan, chill out.
ROCnPhilly on September 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Ah yes! Thanks.
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Like they actually say “in the South”…YEE-HAW.
P.S.: also the West, Southwest and Midwest.
Lourdes on September 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Because they are hemorrhoids, an inflamed pain in the a$$.
farright on September 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 4:19 PM
Yeah, I know. But, he got personal with me the other day and called me out. So Skippy has been my playmate ever since.
kingsjester on September 11, 2009 at 4:21 PM
ot rant
Powerline has delinked from charles johnson’s LGF. From Poweline:
With LGF bizarre change in focus leading them to attach Capt Ed and all of the Fox programs upon which MM appears, I must ask again. Why does Hot Air link to a site that is openly hostile to christians, anyone who enjoys Beck, Hannity or Limbaugh. Palin supporters etc. etc.
DrW on September 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM
the Democrats just confirmed that Obama is a Liar, and Wilson told the Truth.
Good work Democrats!
jp on September 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM
cognitive dissonance: The Messiah has a habit of responding to clueless idiots
Erich66 on September 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM
Campaign Video:
-Fade in town hall participants actively engaging in the healthcare debate.
Voice over- “In the heat of the August recess, you tried to get your voices heard in D.C.”
-Slowly fade out.
-Slowly fade in Obama’s speech.
Voice over- “One man carried your voice all the way into the chambers of Congress.”
Turn up volume on Speech- “You Lie!”
Voice over- “Vote for Joe Wilson to keep your voices in Congress.”
Weight of Glory on September 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM
You have to understand that everyone I have talked to about this issue has thrown that sec of the stupid bill in my face. None of these people understood what it meant, they could only read the title of the sec. It was very frustrating.
Allow me a little catharsis.
daesleeper on September 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM
So they plan to call Joe Wilson in for a show trial and some sort of discipline. I hope he invokes the Barney Frank response and turns his back on them as they pontificate.
cthulhu on September 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Mark McKinnon is a political hermaphrodite – GOP on the outside, leftist on the inside, and no balls.
faraway on September 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Ha. I’ve done that several times and completely understand. Enjoy it then!
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM
I am younger than your grandmother, Gringo, so I get the operation and she gets the pills. Only fair – equal protection, remember. Just wait till the wise Latina sets you straight.
NoBordersJose on September 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM
MoveOn is also pimpin’ for Miller. Just got an email from them talking about how evil Wilson is for not, in addition to calling the Obama directly and apologizing to him, also apologizing on the House floor.
Until we get an apology on the House floor from all the Dems for booing Bush during the SOTU I say pound sand, Pelosi!
NTWR on September 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM
CJ is nuts, de-link him
jp on September 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM
new moon.
unclesmrgol on September 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Uh, no, after Frank does his about face he bends over…
Maquis on September 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM
or is it moons?
unclesmrgol on September 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I wonder if they will try to slip this stuff back in, in committee.
I wish they would just give it up. But they won’t. The left is relentless.
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM
Yo, why dontcha go over to the ACORN child sex slave enablement thread. You’d have it all to yourself, troll-wise.
Akzed on September 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM
All the glitters is not gold and appearances are not what they seem.
technopeasant on September 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Heh.
SouthernGent on September 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
This is good stuff!
4shoes on September 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Harsh. Very funny and true but harsh none the less.
Cindy Munford on September 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
The Democrats continue to bring unity to Congress.
kirkill on September 11, 2009 at 4:26 PM
Couldn’t agree more…..troll.
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
this whole issue is a tempest in a tea pot. don’t your realize that by the end of 2010, there won’t be any illegals to worry about? Obama has already said he intends to lead an amnesty push next year, just in time for the midterms. he feels immigration splits the GOP and unifies the Dems…they want all illegals to be made citizens.
DrW on September 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Really? Can they be that stupid?
Yep, I just checked… they’re that stupid.
Enoxo on September 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
It really is refreshing when the liberals give us a public display of their tolerance!
rukiddingme on September 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
What this tells me is that they are willing to insert anything into the bill (to be removed in reconciliation) that they think will garner one additional vote.
Vashta.Nerada on September 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
hmmmm, bleedsout isn’t here. must be checking on those ‘facts’ obambi assured him of last night.
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
Heh. The Dems are laying out the carpet for you, Jose. And they have already indicated that my grandmother isn’t even worth the pills – they have a new study by Zeke Emanuel that “proves” that old people don’t really feel pain. Cass Sunstein thinks that all pain pills should be reserved for pets and trees (trees cry, as he claims).
Utopia is almost upon us … like a ton of bricks.
progressoverpeace on September 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Sarah Palin/Joe Wilson 2012, I think Sarah and Joe would drive the left mad. These two are not afraid to speak their mind!
camtheman7 on September 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM
They are so overplaying the Wilson thing, its not even funny. Do they not know how to quit while they’re ahead? Even some Lefties I know think its getting way too much play, and now you have boobs like McKinnon piling on? Morons.
changer1701 on September 11, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Sheik Abu Barack al-Husseini al-Kenyi bin Obooba called more than half the population liars, using biblical terminology to boot.
He doesn’t deserve the respect of the village idiot, let alone an apology from anyone correctly pointing out his commie lies.
Akzed on September 11, 2009 at 4:29 PM
For a “clueless idiot woman”, she sure seems to be striking fear into your heart, and into King Obama’s.
MB4 on September 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Oh, the guy who quit McCain’s campaign because he didn’t want to dis’ McCain’s opponent, the Lightworker?
Nope, haven’t seen any push-back of Dem criticism from the McCain pere et fille road show. Because they’re so-o-o-o bipartisan they melt into the sauce without leaving any residual flavor. They could be compared to a thickening agent.
Nichevo on September 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM
hmmmm, bleedsout isn’t here. must be checking on those ‘facts’ obambi assured him of last night.
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 4:27 PM
He’s up in the NBC/Southerners Thread in Headlines, being ineffectual.
kingsjester on September 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM
Palin: There are “death panels.”
Media: Unamerican hateful rhetoric
Congress: Take those panels out
Obama: Liar!
Obama: Illegals are not included in health care
Wilson: You Lie
Media: WTF?
Senate: Take it out, no benefits for illegals.
V15J on September 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM
They can “fix it” all they want… and then can they vote for it. However, they may wish to consider the possibility of another public option, Italian-style…
http://extremecatholic.blogspot.com/images/mussolini-corpse.jpg
Doorgunner on September 11, 2009 at 4:31 PM
Game, set and match!
technopeasant on September 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM
simplesimon:
I wish Allah would ban you. You are just becoming tedious.
BTW, how many lies did Obama tell the other night? 100..200?
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Now, we just need to find a hot Leading Lady… and the right sword… or at least the Five Finger Open Palm Technique (or is that Heavenly Palm aka Kung Fu Hustle?).
Romeo13 on September 11, 2009 at 4:33 PM
Hope Fox drives this homes, leading viewers to realize Obama in fact Lied
jp on September 11, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Pelosi is going to censure Joe Wilson for violating the rules of decorum, but the democrats are going to permit Rangle to violate the tax laws?
Skandia Recluse on September 11, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Game, set and match would involve shredding the bill, period.
misslizzi on September 11, 2009 at 4:34 PM
Are the robe and slippers part of the stuff that she looted from the RNC? Klassy lady…
simplesimon on September 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM
If I had a dollar for every time I heard some moron of a Democrat call Bush a liar or war criminal…I could quit my job and retire to my South Sea Island. Hell, they booed Bush during his State of the Union address, I would not have been surprised to see one of them drop his pants and moon the man. They have no shame.
I think they should change the name of their party to the Hypocrite Crybaby Party, because that is what they are.
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM
They certainly are thick. Like dogsh-t in January.
CurtZHP on September 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM
That must be the loophole that B. Hussien Obama lied about in his speech. You can all thank the lame stream media for not vetting this ass clown.
TrickyDick on September 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM
I think Speaker Pelosi will reconsider, her over reaches have backfired every time. Surely calmer heads will prevail.
Cindy Munford on September 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Why bother with that? I’m not a lawyer, but I was under the impression that having told the truth is an absolute defense?
malclave on September 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Senor el Presidente Barack Obama is totally in my pocket now. I have been teaching him EVEN more Spanish and giving more money to ACORN. He owes me BIG TIME! He’s my little brother now, my little Muchacho, my little Chihuahua.
Most of your House is in my pocket. Most all of your Senate is in my pocket. I have bought off or blackmailed almost all of them now. A bunch of pesos here, several women there, a young boy for a few of them like , a little male attention for a certain former Senator from New York. Her husband still neglects her something awful. Oh my Lord, the things she wants me to do to her. It makes my skin crawl, but it is for a good cause.
A little booze spread around. Alright a whole lot of gin for a certain Senator. Ay curumba, can he ever put it down, although he does seem to be drinking less the last couple of weeks. I wonder what happened. And his son, double ay curumba. That rehab stuff sure didn’t do him any good! I’m not even sure that he went. Telling a certain other Senator that I would get him a lot of media time, he loves that so much. I have even offered him and his poco empalma a muchacho their own 24×7 TV station. You have no chance GRINGOS.
Your Grandfathers kept you from having to learn German or Japanese or be lamp shades. But YOU ARE NOT the men or women that they were, not even close.
Once we get our amnesty, we will all come to your country. We will all have at least 10 kids and in a generation we will overwhelm and deport most of you Gringos! Some of you, if you learn Spanish real well, we might let you stay to pick our lettuce or mow our lawns or take care of OUR children in what used to be your houses.
Those who don’t learn Spanish will be deported to Alaska. That is until Al Gore’s global warming heats things up and we want Alaska too, then we will deport you all to New Orleans. It will probably all be under water by then anyway. I hope you Gringos can swim, he, he, he. My bad!!!
So give it up and LEARN SPANISH! You should probably all buy Mexican flags too and fly them in your front yard and on your pickup trucks. If you already have an American flag there it is alright if you keep it, as long as you fly it upside down and below our great Mexican flag.
Now repeat after me – I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of Mucho Grande Mexico, and to the Republic for which it use to stand, one nation under me, with everything for us, and nothing for you.
And remember Gringos,
APRENDER EL ESPANOL!!!
btw, you had all better stock up on pills if you are over 50.
VinyFoxy on September 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
simplesimon:
Not half as classy as Clinton and his cigar. When it comes to bad behavior and tackiness, the Democrats have the GOP beat anytime anywhere.
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Mark McKinnon? Bwahahahaha He’s not a Republican… not even a RINO. He’s a dog and pony media guy from Austin who works for whomever pays him the most. He worked for Ann Richards, GWB, and then John McCain (even though he told them when he signed on that he’d defect to Obama if BO got the nomination… shows you how stupid McCain is), and then McKinnon finished off his bouncing for bucks as an image advisor to Sarah Palin. Bet his recent big talk is just to drum up business.
itsacookbook on September 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Understood.
If interested, you’ll find that section merely provides no measures to enforce the no-illegal clause, it’s not the only section to look at.
From Rep. Gary Miller:
Section 152 states that “all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services”. This provision has the potential to include illegal immigrants because it may interpret “personal characteristics” to include legal status. (Pages 50-51, 143)
Here’s an attempt by the republicans to close the hole in Medicaid: http://republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/Media/file/Markups/FullCmte/071709_Health_Reform/ecrmedicaid_001_xml.pdf
ROCnPhilly on September 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Cindy:
I don’t know if Pelosi will reconsider or not. Obama was totally obnoxious during that speech. He called people liars and of course he blamed Bush for everything from sun spots to the common cold and that was meant to make the Republicans angry. He knew what he was doing.
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:39 PM
Sounds like something Rush would say! Oh, the paiiinnnn!!!
simplesimon on September 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM
Crass, crude and rude–it is totally inappropriate for a senior WH person to talk this way–even anonymously.
There are other ways to speak to the point without mouthing off like this.
Sounds like Axelrod or Rahm. I bet no underling would dare to put down Wilson this way.
INC on September 11, 2009 at 4:41 PM
Well, yeah. One is merely against the law. The other is an affront to her majesty’s delicate sensibilities.
ROCnPhilly on September 11, 2009 at 4:42 PM
Doesn’t impress me — they’ll just “fix” it in conference.
Kill. The. Bill
johnsteele on September 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM
simplesimon:
Rush? He would make you look like the blithering idiot you are. BTW, why is it okay for a US Senator like Kennedy to lionized in spite of the fact that he was known to show up for work drunk time and again, but if a guy like Rush takes pains pills, somehow that means something?
Is hypocrisy a genetic trait known to all liberals?
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM
Democrats trying to hide
The FACT that Obama LIED!
Take a lesson Blue Dogs: Be sure your sins WILL find you out in 2010….
TN Mom on September 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM
When does Obama apologize to us for acting like a king rather than a president? All hail King Arugula.
itsacookbook on September 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM
They can say whatever they want, but unless they enforce it and fund it every effin year, it is meaningless. This is the way we got into this illegal immigration mess to begin with. In the early 1980s, they said grant them amnesty and then we will stress enforcement blah blah blah. They didn’t do a damn thing.
Blake on September 11, 2009 at 4:45 PM
And they won’t do a damn thing this time around, either.
Suckers!
Blake on September 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Oh goodness, you are sooooo funny. Seriously, you should do comedy. You’re almost as funny as Katie Couric!
deidre on September 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Let’s make this a function:
Joe_Wilson(“X”) =
Congress does actual work
Return “Not X”
So during the speach X = “you lied”. Now, what if X = “you’re a socialist spend thrift bent on destroying America and her allies”
Jed_Eckert on September 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Are the Dems really gonna try to take out Wilson with this “You lie!” outburst? Why exactly do they think they voters in his district will side with the increasingly unpopular Obama over him? And I can’t imagine Obama’s numbers will be much better a year from now when the midterms roll around.
Doughboy on September 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
right2bright on September 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
Dare?? Do you think the Obama Admin cares about insulting some Joe Bob from a backwardass state that he can’t win and doesn’t need??
Nope!
simplesimon on September 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh………..
….. THOSE illegal aliens.
Seven Percent Solution on September 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
If they are referring to HRC’s ass then that’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.
rjoco1 on September 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Why yes, she certainly is. Palin 2012.
jimmy2shoes on September 11, 2009 at 4:49 PM
Does he? The man in constant campaign mode appears to have a problem with people who don’t agree with him 100%. I am enjoying the show as his character and temper become the only thing in his administration that are transparent. I believe it will not be long before he scares the majority of the voters.
Cindy Munford on September 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
McKinnon apparently also hates winning.
drjohn on September 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
I love this title, Numbers Crunchers Perplexed:
Perplexed….as in WTF.
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Whew! Glad you showed up. You’re sorely needed over on the ACORN thread. Those poor working women are being vilified over there. Please go help defend them…pretty please.
Oldnuke on September 11, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Didn’t mr-57-states, mr-we-need-a-new-entitlement-program-because-entitlement-programs-are-killing-us quit 2 years into his first term?
No, wait…he basically quit after year one so he could run for president after telling voters he wouldn’t. Wow, seems lying is nothing new for the commie in chief obama.
xblade on September 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM
I think he knows. Obama is just not used to not getting what he wants. He thinks that if he insults enough people, talks down to enough people, lectures enough people that they will come to realize that he is the wisest, most wonderful man in the world..and go belly up. I am sure that he thinks he is fearsome when he rants and preaches.
More and more Obama is just bizarre.
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Heh. Good luck getting her to stay on topic. I don’t think she has said anything about this topic yet.
deidre on September 11, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Doorgunner on September 11, 2009 at 4:54 PM
That’s a Good Start. Now how about They write into the bill – to close the loop hole, that will allow Public Money to be used for funding Abortions.
Dr Evil on September 11, 2009 at 4:55 PM
I watched Telemundo last night, and they reported that although illegals won’t be covered, they should not fret because amnesty is coming.
cubachi on September 11, 2009 at 4:56 PM
Vote Democrat, the party that hates most of America!!!
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:57 PM
BTW, that Joe Bob has 4 sons in the military. Why not insult them while you are at it simple?
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Of course they don’t. Obama is a complete failure at being President of the United States, and his Administration reflects that.
Obama and his minions would rather insult and threaten Americans than work with them.
malclave on September 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
He should tell him he will apologize and when they give him a national platform and all eyes are watching he should lay into them for being the scum they are.
Socmodfiscon on September 11, 2009 at 4:58 PM
I pray you are right. I see percious little truth in Washington today. The only one who spoke the truth during Obama’s speech was Joe Wilson.
Funny thing truth, it angers so many on the left. Why that is–I will never understand.
With the Acorn revelations it is clear we are dealing with an orchestrated criminal operation run from the Whitehouse. How oh how did we allow the criminals of this world to take over?
How do we overcome this?
petunia on September 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Wow Joe Wilson and Sarah Palin spoke up and got things changed.
Learn from that GOP LEARN
gophergirl on September 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I wonder where that 500 billion is that Obama keeps yapping about? It would seem to me that if he really wanted to get this bill through, he would cut the 500 billion in waste first.
Oh but then, I forget..every single day people are dying…what a demagogue.
Terrye on September 11, 2009 at 5:00 PM
Obama had quite the reputation in Illinois for personally calling and berating reporters who wrote negative comments about him. He has a nasty temper.
itsacookbook on September 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM
One rather ordinary, undistinguished congressman dared to raise his voice against the Dark Lord, so the forces of evil have united to crush him – the media, the DNC, the trust fund left, the extremist totalitarian-minded young followers of the Dark Lord. The trust fund left, the self-made wealthy left and the young extremists are pouring out dollars to defeat him, as cowed, useful idiot worshipers of the Dark Lord like Kathleen Parker and Mark MacKinnon bleat out their opprobrium.
Yes, I mean it – they are evil.
Please send Joe Wilson a campaign contribution.
chris999 on September 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM
Hey simplesimon…
… How did you celebrate Obama’s National Day of Service?
Seven Percent Solution on September 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM
They have 60 votes, and you know several rhinos will go along…amnesty is all but a done deal, unless we drag this health care debate on for another year.
right2bright on September 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM
That is obama’s dirty little secret. He says that the bill does not cover illegals but he intends to grant amnesty so there won’t be illegals. The question to ask is “will the bill cover any of those currently illegal.”
rjoco1 on September 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM
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