Pro-life demonstrator murdered at Michigan high school; Update: Motive confirmed
posted at 12:55 pm on September 11, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
On the day that we remember almost 3,000 Americans murdered by radical Islamists, we should all condemn this lunatic murder in Michigan. A pro-life protestor got shot by an assailant in front of Owosso High School and died before anyone could rescue the victim. The shooter is in custody, but neither he nor the victim has been identified:
The Michigan State Police say an anti-abortion activist has been shot and killed in front of Owosso High School.
The Flint Journal reports the shooting took place around 7:30 a.m. today, and a suspect was taken into custody about 45 minutes later at the suspect’s home.
The victim’s identity has not yet been released.
LifeNews has more details:
The shooting did not take place on school property but officials have locked down the school and taped off most of the front portions of the school grounds.
According to the Associated Press, in the spot where the protester stood, a black car is parked and a portable oxygen tank is lying next to a sign with a picture of an unborn child and the words life.
NBC 25 is reporting that interim school superintendent, Susan Wooden says the person is a well-known local pro-life advocate — a man who frequently stands in high traffic areas with the sign to protest abortion.
When abortionists get murdered by lunatics, the Left uses these incidents to indict the pro-life cause while the Right correctly notes that lunatics don’t adhere to any set of rules but their own madness. The pro-life advocates tempted to use this as a tu quoque, either in the murder itself or reactions to it, should resist the urge. Lunacy is evidence of only one thing — lunacy.
Today, of all days, we should remember that. Terrorism and murder are never acceptable forms of political action in a democracy of free people, not for any reason or provocation. People who toss bombs, shoot people, and conspire to commit acts of terror to impose their view of the world on free men and women should be objects of derision, regardless of our personal politics.
My prayers go to the family of the deceased, his friends and colleagues, and the emergency responders in the area who acted so quickly to make their community safe and try to save the life of the protester.
Update: And that’s assuming abortion had anything to do with the shooting at all. It may have been a personal conflict. We should know more soon.
Update II: Part of a murder spree?
Update III: Police have identified the murder suspect, who allegedly committed both murders out of personal grudges — and in the case of the pro-life protester, the grudge was political:
Harlan Drake of Owosso, near Lansing, was arraigned on two counts of first-degree murder and other gun-related crimes. Prosecutors said Drake also had planned to kill a third, unidentified person. …
Drake was arrested at home about an hour later. Police said he stated he had also shot Fuoss.
“The indication is that he had ill will … a grudge against these three individuals,” said Shiawassee County Prosecutor Randy Colbry. “The defendant was offended by the manner of Mr. Pouillon’s message.”
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I mean, it’s just spooky how you tied that whole “contest/game” thing together.
nico on September 11, 2009 at 3:30 PM
Not when you don’t give him liquor first.
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM
Nah. Keaunu Reeves. The depth.
nico on September 11, 2009 at 3:33 PM
FREE the NOTRE DAME 88.
(oh, I’m one of them)
Sapwolf on September 11, 2009 at 3:34 PM
Crazy me. I have these things called principles. Apparently voicing them means I’m vying for a title, rather than just stating my opinion.
Meanwhile, what are you, exactly? HotAir Master of Ceremonies?
Get off the stage, because no one’s watching.
MadisonConservative on September 11, 2009 at 3:34 PM
That hurts. No wonder I drink.
MadisonConservative on September 11, 2009 at 3:34 PM
You seem to reveal your true intent. Initially, you raise the protesters status by linking him to Dr. King. Then, when challenged, you turn around and try to besmirch Dr. King’s legacy.
Your need to contest me seems to have confused your argument. My point was that you draw moral equivalency between two murder victims for no other reason than they both broke laws.
I don’t give two scraps about MLK’s marriage. His legacy is not one of great husband. He is revered for his courage in the face of the perpetual threat of domestic terrorism. He is revered for his battles in the war against nationalized bigotry and racism. In many ways, he shaped American public life to a greater degree than most Presidents. Furthermore, if we cast off every man who cheated as unworthy, then we likely would not have become the great nation we are.
I appreciate your innovative approach to morality. I however, will reserve some limited pedestal space for Dr. King above and beyond many others.
I cannot be suspicious of billboards. I am suspicious of any person who tries to proselytize or otherwise influence my kids’ value system. That does not mean I shelter my kids from those people. Nor does it mean that I think protesters or those witnessing should be stopped. I thought I was pretty clear with my statement.
Suspicion is a an emotion that serves parents well. It is an underrated weapon against bad morals, bad people and bad outcomes. I advise parents to embrace their suspicions. Don’t be afraid to ask “Hey, what are you doing here?” Don’t be afraid to say “Hey, I’m watching you.”
The Race Card on September 11, 2009 at 3:35 PM
pro-life?
Sorry. MSM only covers murder of “abortionists”.
TheAlamos on September 11, 2009 at 3:35 PM
So a game isn’t a contest?
Just pointing out that some of the replies of outrage in here could come back to bite some posters.
On a another note, I think your first date with Madison is going really well. Maybe you should ask him in for a drink? Wait, scratch the drink, maybe a warm milk.
ClassicCon on September 11, 2009 at 3:36 PM
“Hey?!”
Is that how you address people? I’m suspicious of you.
The Race Card on September 11, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Master of Ceremonies. LOL. I gotta admit, this has been pretty funny.
Not to make light of such a solemn subject, of course.
nico on September 11, 2009 at 3:36 PM
Well, of course it is. Did I really need a sarc tag on that one?
As for dating, my wife would kill me if she thought this was eHarmony.
nico on September 11, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Anyone can voice principles on a message board, just doesn’t carry any weight with me. Hell, you could be a serial killer typing this stuff. The internet lies…it LIES!
ClassicCon on September 11, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Speaking for myself, I’ve never serially killed anyone.
nico on September 11, 2009 at 3:43 PM
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Let’s say the young man was on his way from murdering Mr. Fuoss and saw this pro-lifer who irritated him all these years. Let’s say he decided to relieve his anger by putting a few bullets in this pro-lifer.
That’s called A HATE CRIME!! Now let’s hear your weasel interpretation of good Mr. Poullion’s death.
BradSchwartze on September 11, 2009 at 3:45 PM
…and you could be a troll.
Oh, wait. You are.
MadisonConservative on September 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Is the left wanting to up the anti?
Ernest on September 11, 2009 at 3:46 PM
CORUNNA, Michigan — The Shiawassee County Prosecutor’s office has charged Harlan J. Drake, 33, of Owosso with two counts of first-degree, premeditated murder in Friday’s slaying of an anti-abortion activist in Owosso and an Owosso Towship gravel pit owner.
County Prosecutor Randy Colbry said Drake also had plans to kill an Owosso realtor but was arrested before he could carry out his alleged plan…..
Colbry said Drake had grudges against all three men.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2009/09/owosso_shooting_suspect_identi.html#more.
–May not even have been abortion-related.
SapWolf, I went to Notre Dame (graduated along time ago, obviously from another thread). Why in the h*ll do you think you have the right to tresspass on private property in connection with a graduation ceremony to make your views known? There were plenty of public places around the outskirts of campus for you to have protested. Did you want to get arrested for the publicity?
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 3:47 PM
OK, my work is done here.
(Such as it is.)
Never forget! Semper Fidelis!
Thanks, MC & CC, for the entertainment.
nico on September 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM
It’s a vicious cycle.
Well, there’s still a person who made the billboard. I don’t see how it’s any different than a man holding a sign.
You were, and I didn’t mean to imply otherwise in my response to you.
I don’t disagree with that. (not sorry for the double negative)
Still, having been a teen who tried to help other adults reach out to my peers (helped my youth pastor pass out fliers for a free pizza church event), I have a lot more faith in people in high school when it comes to resisting a sign and really don’t see it as any different than all the other signs they’re supposed to read or the text books without an obvious bias but a bias nonetheless.
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM
What they will do is find out this guy has a family member that is a conservative, and he had a disagreement, and that led to his outburst…it this horrible “division” that has been caused by conservatives not rolling over…
right2bright on September 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM
That’s called A HATE CRIME!!
“[In addition to any federal laws,] 45 states and the District of Columbia have statutes criminalizing various types of bias-motivated violence or intimidation (the exceptions are AR, GA, IN, SC, and WY). Each of these statutes covers bias on the basis of race, religion, and ethnicity; 32 of them cover sexual orientation; 32 cover disability; 28 cover gender; 13 cover age; 11 cover transgender/gender-identity; 5 cover political affiliation.”
—Is being pro-life religious-based? I thought prolifers keep saying how the pro-life view is independent of any religion. [And, by the way, if you say that the pro-life view is religious-based, then I get to claim that my pro-choice views (which are a tenant of my Christian religion) are also religious-based and entitled to protection under these and other laws.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM
Why scratch the drink?
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Almost tempted to ask but thinking better of it.
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Ahhh, I can’ help it. Does your tenant pay rent?
nico on September 11, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 3:54 PM
Don’t do it. He will not answer direct questions. He believes that it’s Christian to kill life in the womb and will not accept arguments to the contrary. Bewsides, it’s gives him the attention he craves and allows him to hijack the thread.
kingsjester on September 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM
We’ll force the interpretation of the Hate Crimes statues as we see fit. Harlan Drake had an apparent “grudge” which forced him to put bullets into Mr. Poullion. We’re going to find out why he had that grudge. More than likely, he was irritated at the very presence of Mr. Poullion, which is HATRED no matter how you slice it.
You should stop it with the weasel words and pharisaical attempts to find some sort of “hypocrisy” on my part. It hurts your credibility, and exposes your lack of a soul.
BradSchwartze on September 11, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Interesting how the news gets so slanted…you won’t hear much about this on the MSM.
I just got back from Montana (opening season of Grouse on the first–and emptied several clips), and several papers were running the story about Sen Baucas (big supporter of health care) was apparently drunk and ran his boat up on some rocks. Seriously injuring one passenger (still in a coma) and several others, he sustained some bad injuries…but I noticed that the news has downplayed his previous DUI and this one also.
right2bright on September 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM
What you don’t understand is that you just can’t make up a religion, then say it is valid…you didn’t know that?
right2bright on September 11, 2009 at 4:03 PM
I think you can in England. Didn’t the Jedis finally get recognized over there?
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM
This will be reduced to barely a mention, unlike the abortion doctor that was killed. The continued dehumanization of the innocent includes anyone involved, while the monsters who destroy human life at all stages are held up as martyrs.
Hening on September 11, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Jedi’s aren’t a religion?
right2bright on September 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM
Let’s trace this back to Janet. DHS incites hate against pro lifers. The killer can use her pronouncements in his defense.
seven on September 11, 2009 at 4:17 PM
We’ll force the interpretation of the Hate Crimes statues as we see fit.
–You’ll actually need to get a prosecutor and a judge or jury to buy into your interpreation. That’s the way the system works in the US currently. And my words aren’t weasel words–you have to meet all the tests to convict someone for a hate crime.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 4:18 PM
It’s not the religious viewpoint of the person being targeted, or lack thereof, it’s the viewpoint of the person committing the crime.
Hatred is the view from the perp, not the view from the victim.
unclesmrgol on September 11, 2009 at 4:30 PM
But hardly deserving the death penalty, except maybe in Moonbatland.
ddrintn on September 11, 2009 at 4:46 PM
Ask atheist Nat Hentoff why he’s pro-life.
ddrintn on September 11, 2009 at 4:47 PM
750.147b Ethnic intimidation.
Here’s what I understand is the Michigan hate crime statute (there may be another statute as well). It’s dependent on the religion of the victim, not the perp, uncle.
Sec. 147b.
(1) A person is guilty of ethnic intimidation if that person maliciously, and with specific intent to intimidate or harass another person because of that person’s race, color, religion, gender, or national origin, does any of the following:
(a) Causes physical contact with another person.
(b) Damages, destroys, or defaces any real or personal property of another person.
(c) Threatens, by word or act, to do an act described in subdivision (a) or (b), if there is reasonable cause to believe that an act described in subdivision (a) or (b) will occur.
(2) Ethnic intimidation is a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 2 years, or by a fine of not more than $5,000.00, or both.
(3) Regardless of the existence or outcome of any criminal prosecution, a person who suffers injury to his or her person or damage to his or her property as a result of ethnic intimidation may bring a civil cause of action against the person who commits the offense to secure an injunction, actual damages, including damages for emotional distress, or other appropriate relief. A plaintiff who prevails in a civil action brought pursuant to this section may recover both of the following:
(a) Damages in the amount of 3 times the actual damages described in this subsection or $2,000.00, whichever is greater.
(b) Reasonable attorney fees and costs.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 4:48 PM
THe mabn killed had a walker, oxygen bottles and was 63.Under ObamaCare his life was over anyhow!
Jeff from WI on September 11, 2009 at 4:57 PM
What’s the point? Rationalization?
ddrintn on September 11, 2009 at 5:16 PM
Brad and Uncle thought it was the prep’s views that were used in determining whether a hate crime occurred. They’re wrong, at least in Michigan.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 5:18 PM
Perp, not prep. Tenent, not tenant. Not a good spelling day.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Notre Dame sucks. Here’s hoping Boston College kicks their sotty butts yet again this year.
bw222 on September 11, 2009 at 5:27 PM
Yeah, bw222, I keep forgetting what a powerhouse Doug Flutie was in the NFL after he graduated from Boston College (sarc). Wasn’t Bambi picked in something like the 12nd round by the pros even though he won the Heisman?
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 5:52 PM
I was being sarcastic. But MLK was inviolation Law and thus technically a criminal.
However, MLK was correct: “One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that ‘an unjust law is no law at all’”
Holger on September 11, 2009 at 5:56 PM
L Ron Hubbard did it.
Buford Gooch on September 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM
http://www.connectmidmichigan.com/news/story.aspx?id=349067
Enoxo on September 11, 2009 at 6:35 PM
Enoxo…the killer looks like your typical lunatic lib.
CWforFreedom on September 11, 2009 at 6:39 PM
I’m a Catholic, and Notre Dame is partly my property. I say they were allowed to be there. Care to argue?
unclesmrgol on September 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM
As a lawyer who formerly represented pro-life activists, I can say that most of those charges against the victim here were probably bogus. Anyone who pickets at an abortion clinic is going to have a criminal record because the abortion providers often have the police in their back pocket.
A great story: One of my clients was picketing at an abortion clinic. When the abortionist drove in, my client threw holy water on the abortionist’s car. The police were called and were busily leafing through their code book, trying to come up with a violation. My client yelled: “Exorcism without a permit!”
MissDarcy on September 11, 2009 at 6:44 PM
Waiting for The Great Healer to issue his statement denouncing this horrifying event.
Y-not on September 11, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Jimbo3, carefully reread the following section, noting the meaning of the word because:
Again, it’s the view from the perp, not the victim. If the perp does the crime because of any of the listed elements, it’s a hate crime. It doesn’t matter what the race, color, religion, gender, or national origin of the victim are, it matters that one of those things provably made the perpetrator choose the victim. So, if the perpetrator says that he chose the victim because of the victim’s religious beliefs on abortion, he is eligible for a hate crime enhancement, regardless of whether the abortion protestor viewed his opposition as part of his religion or not.
You have a better chance of winning this one if you make the claim that hate crime enhancement in Michigan doesn’t apply to murder — given that murder is not one of the listed crimes in your quoted law.
Care to go there?
unclesmrgol on September 11, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Oh, please, you better wander back and take a gander at the dead Kennedy thread before you start talking about your principles.
See! I knew if you waited long enough that this thread would evolve into something you could be proud of.
Cindy Munford on August 26, 2009 at 2:01 PM
GET OFF MAH LAWN!
MadisonConservative on August 26, 2009 at 2:04 PM
Cindy Munford on September 11, 2009 at 6:57 PM
Waiting for the MSM to report this as a hate crime . . .
*crickets*
Ryan Gandy on September 11, 2009 at 6:58 PM
How about we hang him for murder without too much argument?
Oh wait, that’s cruel and unusual and was banned for 200 years before we got Justices smart enough to realize it.
Chris_Balsz on September 11, 2009 at 7:07 PM
Man I am trying VERY hard not to be petty and blame MSNBC and Olbermann for this… I don’t believe they deserve any blame, but it’s tempting to use their petty tactics against them.
Ampersand on September 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them … … well, I have others.
- Groucho
MB4 on September 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
He should be punished the way we would punish terrorist that killed 3000 innocent people. Oh wait, that wouldn’t be very severe would it? Um….
MichiganMatt on September 11, 2009 at 7:25 PM
You’re right, uncle, and I was wrong. Good catch. No, I think physical contact probably includes with a bullet, although I can see some other arguments.
I still think abortion might be viewed as something not connected with religion. But we’ll see.
Are you Jesuit and did you go to ND? Just being Catholic doesn’t make ND part of “your” property. I think the property is owned by the Catholic order of the Holy Cross.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Proves that lone whackos come in all political flavors. Sad day. I hope the killer’s wife is OK — no mention of her in the reports.
starboardhelm on September 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them … … well, I have others.
- Groucho
MB4 on September 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
You sir, are a Silly Marxist!
starboardhelm on September 11, 2009 at 7:36 PM
As a lawyer who formerly represented pro-life activists, I can say that most of those charges against the victim here were probably bogus. Anyone who pickets at an abortion clinic is going to have a criminal record because the abortion providers often have the police in their back pocket.
–Miss Darcy, I can see that for some of the violations. But stalking–and for a guy who, even then, was probably using a walker and carting around a oxygen bottle–well, I have a hard time thinking that was totally innocent.
You can convince me otherwise, but I’m skeptical here.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 7:37 PM
Yes, you are responsible.
You pro-abortion zealots throw this crud in our face every chance you get. It’s about time we started throwing it back in yours.
Two can play this game. Wanna go another round?
SagebrushPuppet on September 11, 2009 at 7:37 PM
The defendant was offended by the manner of Mr. Pouillon’s message.”
–That doesn’t necessarily make it a hate crime. It suggests the killer found the pictures offensive, not the message.
Yes, sagebrush, I’ll go another round at some point tomorrow. Not tonight. Maybe in the interim, you can get the GOP to write and present a bill for division of the country to the Congress. Because I think that’s where things are headed.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Well, you can … but the correct term for that is “cult.”
SagebrushPuppet on September 11, 2009 at 7:52 PM
You didn’t answer my question.
Do your kids go to public school?
I suspect they do, making you a hypocrite.
atheling on September 11, 2009 at 7:53 PM
The pictures are intergral to the message, bonehead.
And since I’m not a member of the GOP, why would get them to write anything? You just make yourself look ignorant when you assume things.
SagebrushPuppet on September 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM
I lay the blame for Mr. Pouillon’s murder squarley at the feet of Olbermann, Maddow ,Shuster, Todd and MSNBC for egging on far left extremists, causing them to act out violently.
OxyCon on September 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM
Joe, the pictures may or not be integral to the message. And you (and others here) are calling many members of US mainstream religions [Methodist, ELCA, Episcopal, etc.] “cultists” because you don’t agree with our religion.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 8:01 PM
This man held up large signs showing dead babies and lots of blood in front of businesses that had nothing to do with the issue, as well as in front of public schools. Many people that agreed with his cause were disgusted at his manner of activism. Many small businessman lost business because he chose to demonstrate on their sidewalks which happen to be across from City Hall or on major roads.
Imagine going to the library, sitting in Wendy’s, washing your car, getting your gas and looking out and seeing dead babies. These companies had nothing to do with it, and I, for one, avoided these businesses when he was out front, because I didn’t want to get sick to my stomach.
A man died and that is a terrible thing. We should mourn the loss of a human being who was trying to do what was right.
However, anyone trying to put this man on a pedestal should be very, very careful that you do not make him the “face” of the pro-life movement. Anyone with videos or pictures of his protests who wants to hurt the movement, will be able to tar all of the people who are trying to save children’s lives as antis-social at best.
Here is the local take on the issue.
JiyuLife on September 11, 2009 at 8:13 PM
No further discussion necessary. Either there is a “Christian religion” that supersedes your personal preferences (and therefore determines the correctness of those preferences) or there is a buffet of unconstrained, undifferentiated proverbs from which you are free to chose at will.
Only one has any real meaning. Your first choice doesn’t count.
spmat on September 11, 2009 at 8:19 PM
Hey, can someone please post the President’s response to this?
Oh yeah… Crickets chirping…
Khun Joe on September 11, 2009 at 8:19 PM
This should be a huge story. And yet, somehow this is the first I’ve read of it.
hawksruleva on September 11, 2009 at 8:22 PM
Not to nitpick, but it’s spelled ante in this context.
Chaz706 on September 11, 2009 at 8:38 PM
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 8:01 PM
You’re trying very hard to minimize political murder. YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.
BradSchwartze on September 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM
You’re worrying about people having to see PICTURES of dead babies?! Wouldn’t it be harder to actually BE the dead baby!…Sheesh
Jeff from WI on September 11, 2009 at 9:52 PM
There are violent, sick people in our society today. Be careful out there.
AnninCA on September 11, 2009 at 9:53 PM
above his pay grade…remember
Jeff from WI on September 11, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Where’s the outrage over this one? Surely the left is as appalled as they were when their hero Tiller was murdered.
Erich66 on September 11, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Well we knew this was coming.
I would like to be outraged if the left doesn’t respond as they did when Tiller was killed. But you have to remember they aren’t playing by any rules we remotely recognize. All they care about is winning and ruling. I pray for the family of the men lost today.
In reading some of the comments, I was intrigued by the post Jiyulife who managed to sit on the fence by exercising a bit of “moral relativism.” The man was offensive with the posters of dead babies and that may be true, but justifies murder? If offensive acts were justifications, there would be bodies stacked up all over the place. And what of the other man, did he support the first one? Or did he have the gall to hold a prayer meeting in his home, or some other offensive act?
Murder is wrong, but I fear it won’t be the last as our nation rips itself apart, partly because of the current leadership.
archer52 on September 11, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Now we need to start charting these stories on the MSM in quantifiable terms so that we can show the undeniable bias between this and say…the holocaust museum shooting.
erakis on September 11, 2009 at 10:51 PM
So they think it’s okay that the guy was killed because showing dead babies was offensive, but its okay to be the guy (Tiller) who pulls them limb from limb.
Just to be clear, I am not condoning Tiller’s murder.
erakis on September 11, 2009 at 10:54 PM
You’re trying very hard to minimize political murder. YOU HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.
–Is this some sort of preparation for Halloween? It’s about three weeks too early if it is.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 10:57 PM
The case will be dropped by the DOJ.
djaymick on September 11, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Murder is wrong, but I fear it won’t be the last as our nation rips itself apart, partly because of the current leadership.
–Archer, that’s just a bunch of crap (IMHO). If you go back at least 8 years you’ll see a bunch of Dems ticked off at what the GOP was doing. You only feel it now (IMHO) because the GOP has lost control. No high school drama queen stuff, please.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 11:01 PM
Nothing justifies an act of murder of an innocent man. Nothing. However, does this mean that we want to make Mr. Pouillon a hero? I mourn the loss of a his life, but I mourn the loss of Mike Fouss much more.
My point was that all of the people involved were living human beings and should be treated as such.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
The murder had an agenda to kill some people for his own, twisted reasons. He is jail and should stay there for a very, very long time. As more facts become available, pundits and activist from all over the political spectrum will come out of the woodwork to use this case to make this or that point from a distance and with no thought to the feelings of the people involved.
To anyone trying to make a bigger point out of a senseless killing, do you feel the murder of Mr. Pouillon is somehow more heinous than the murder of Mr. Fouss? If so, I think that you need to take a long look in the mirror.
JiyuLife on September 11, 2009 at 11:09 PM
HATE CRIME
lasertex on September 11, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Jimbo, the mainline churches you mentioned that were mainline types maybe approved by you as Christian enough but will they muster support when Christ in Revelation said He would spew out of His mouth the lukewarm ones because they are neither hot nor cold? Those who pick and choose from the Bible will have to justify their actions at that required hour after their death. I don’t understand why the leftists are makeing excuses for the death of this man? Showing pictures on signs on what happens to abortions should alarm people to stop abortions rather then protest in seeing them.
garydt on September 11, 2009 at 11:29 PM
The accused killer is reportedly a permit holder.
If and probably when this guy is convicted I hope there is an additonal charge for misusing the permit to carry.
Does MI have the death penalty? This case looks like it should be on the table.
jpmn on September 11, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Oh, man, gary, you should be a Muslim and look for the verses that support your position in the Koran. You are (sorry to say in my opinion) on the same wavelength. You are picking and choosing verses in the Bible also.
Alot of people don’t like their kids to see pictures of 20+ week abortions. Do you blamce them? That’s not lukewarm; that’s simply common sense. Especially since 98+% of abortions happen well before that point. Why don’t you read the comments at the local paper that JiyuLife cited and try to understand why.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 11:35 PM
Not clear, jmpn. Here’s what wikipedia says (which seems to be somewhat contradictory):
Five methods of execution are currently maintained in the United States.
Lethal Injection is the most common form of the death penalty, which involves the execution by use of lethal drugs inserted intravenously. It is permitted in 37 states as an option, which include AL, AZ, AR, CA, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, ID, IL, IN, KS, KY, LA, MD, MI, MO, MT, NV, NH, NY, NC, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WY, the U.S. federal government, and the U.S. military.
Life imprisonment without possibility of parole, which mandates keeping a person in prison for the remainder of their life, is a form of punishment available everywhere in the United States, except Texas. Imprisonment is always an alternative to the death penalty. It is the maximum form of punishment in 14 states: AK, HI, IA, NJ, ME, MA, MI, MN, ND, NM, RI, VT, WV, WI, and the District of Columbia.
Jimbo3 on September 11, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Jimbo, I have to leave and the whole New Testament verifies that Jesus came to save us because of the horrors of hell. It is consistent througout the NT. I came from a Methodist background so I know how they deny a lot of issues Jesus taught. I am not a muslim because there is nothing in Islam that redeems sin. Jesus Himself said HE is the only way ((meaning Heaven). In the last days in Isaiah said that people will wall good evil and evil good and it appears to be happening now.
garydt on September 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Not that he deserved a bullet, but he could have just minded his own business instead of advocating the government to take possession of every uterus in America.
Not the government’s business, or yours either.
Moesart on September 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Lets take that same attitude towards teachers and school administrators,who push leftist crap on kids every day.And on our dime.
theTarCzar on September 12, 2009 at 12:45 AM
” Ill Will “? Seriously?
tx2654 on September 12, 2009 at 6:26 AM
Jedi’s was and could be a religion
“Let the Force be with you”
BruceB on September 12, 2009 at 8:04 AM
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