Democratic memo: 9/12 Project might draw two million people to D.C. tomorrow
posted at 7:05 pm on September 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Maybe. Or, like MKH says, maybe it’s a lame, cynical attempt to raise expectations so high that even if they draw a million the left can cry, “It was a bust!” Silly Nancy, tricks are for kids.
A top House Dem leadership aide has emailed a memo to Dem aides on the Hill and outside liberal groups warning they should brace for a turnout of up to two million people, suggesting Dems worry that if enough conservatives descend on the Mall it will amount to a major PR victory for the right.
The aide, Doug Thornell, warned in the memo that the dust-up over Joe “you lie” Wilson has been invigorating conservatives. “It looks like Saturday’s event is going to be a huge gathering, estimates ranging from hundreds of thousands to 2 million people,” Thornell wrote in the memo, which was forwarded by a source.
While we’re on the subject, anyone want to try explaining to me why this is a “core principle” of what amounts in practice to a giant tea party?
I believe in God and He is the center of my life.
Beck fans reminded me the other night on Twitter that the man himself says you needn’t subscribe to all nine principles to be part of the Project; apparently any seven (why seven?) will do. Which is super, but beside the point. Why would an atheist join a political movement that makes belief in God part of its plank? Why does Glenn Beck care whether I go to church — and he does care to some extent if he’s putting this on the list of core convictions — if if I’m willing to vote with him on cutting taxes? No one was bugging me about my faith or lack thereof on 9/12/01, which the Project claims in its mission statement it’s trying to “bring us all back to.” And quite frankly, any form of aspirational language in a political context about what “the center of my life” should be is … odd. Is this about smaller government or self-help?
I’m going to make you vote on this; I want to know how many think it’s so important that it should be some guiding light for grassroots conservatism, which is what the Project amounts to in practice. Exit quotation from peeved liberal James Poniewozik: “You want to bring back the feeling of national unity and civility, Glenn Beck? You could start by not using this tragedy as your personal political platform.”
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You’d think!
Gang-of-One on September 11, 2009 at 11:42 PM
The revolution will be multiple choice! hooray.
bitsy on September 11, 2009 at 11:43 PM
Agreed. I’m so far to the right I was suspicious of Pinochet’s dedication to anti-Marxism and have told more than one person Bill O’Rielly, Mike Huckabee and Pat Buchanan are Communists (they are but that’s for another day) and I have no interested in stopping gays from having the same next of kin and inheritance rights as me, and I am indeed pro-choice for the first trimester. There is nothing inherently lefty about those positions, but they aren’t Christian positions which isn’t surprising since I’m not a Christian myself.
Many people use the term Conservative to mean exclusively Socially Conservative Protestantism. Some of those people then use the theological underpinnings of their position as a litmus test for how far to the right you are. I’m a true righty, a Reaganite who thinks we should be bombing Iran and arming anti-Communists in South America, but because I don’t want to enforce Christianity on non-Christians I get called “liberal” by people who are often enough promoting some sort of Marxist doctrine (remember the whole gays are vile meme isn’t the Christian teaching, which states that you love the sinner, but comes directly from Marxist belief that homosexuality is a capitalist decadence)
If the laws protecting religious organizations from lawsuits are there I don’t see hwy we can’t have civil unions. Does this mean I should vote Democrat? I think it’s not my business to tell two adults who to have sex with. Does that mean I’m an Obamunist?
I think Christian doctrine teaches weakness, which in part drive Islamic Imperialism and I think modern liberalism is a secularization of the worst aspects of Christian social teachings. This may make me not a viable option for your next church social, but does it mean I’m less a righty? Or does it just make me more or less unpleasant for Christians to be around?
That said, I don’t find much fault with Beck’s principles. They are clearly adapted from AA and that program works very well for helping people change their lives for the better. I think with Beck the God in his statement would apply to however you conceive divinity. I am religious but not Christian so I get it. If I was an atheist I guess I’d feel differently.
Rob Taylor on September 11, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Another source: CommonF*!kingSense!
Gang-of-One on September 11, 2009 at 11:49 PM
Is this god belief exclusive, does it eliminate Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Zoroastrians, and other all non-Christians?
Pelayo on September 11, 2009 at 11:50 PM
I can not decide from one day to the next if I beleive in a god (God), or if I care. Several of the founders who created this nation share similar beleiefs or lack there of. I am not offended by beleivers, even the ones who go over the top. All I have to say is get over yourselves already, it isn’t up to you to decide if I am an active partiot who is saving our nation. I have already made that decision.
paulsur on September 11, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Huh? Isn’t Tom Jones white? I am white, and I still can’t buy wine on Sunday before noon. In 1955 there were millions of white people in Stalin’s death camps in Siberia. Am I missing something here? Your post makes about as much sense as a green bean milkshake.
bitsy on September 11, 2009 at 11:55 PM
I couldn’t find the 9 principles on the link posted. In the Mission Statement of the 9-12 project, I found this
So from what I read, they are not asking you to take an oath to God, they are describing the core beliefs of the Founders, and suggesting if you agree with most, you may be interested in their group
From yahoo I found the list of core principles of the Founders
This seems to be the correct list. I wonder why it is so hard to find. The idea of the list is being misrepresented as a test of loyalty when the mission statement at Beck’s site makes it clear these were the root beliefs of the Founders presented to show how far we are being led from these values.
Atheists are not excluded. The statement is being used to waken folk up to the fact that believers are being excluded from public expression
entagor on September 11, 2009 at 11:56 PM
I understand, jhffmn. I’m pro-life, but I get so sick of hearing about it sometimes, because both sides are pretty firmly entrenched and we waste energy fighting over it while our freedoms slip away unnoticed. Not to say I don’t think it a worthy cause, but I believe it has to be fought in the culture before it can be won politically anyway.
I think (and I do hope I’m clear so that I don’t insult people here) that part of the reason you hear so much about abortion on local talk radio is that…. well, it’s one of the easiest positions to understand, and for many people the easiest to extrapolate from religion: God created human life, therefore abortion is wrong. It’s a lot harder to understand and argue for why socialism is wrong considering Christ’s admonition to care for the poor. The argument is there and makes perfect sense in context, but reaching it takes a touch more effort.
WHICH IS NOT to say that adamant pro-lifers are simpletons!!! If that’s your most vital issue, awesome and keep up the fight. I just can’t help being a bit shrewd and wanting to win a few battles for freedom before I go after such a tough issue. It’s the art of war, folks.
Animator Girl on September 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM
What the hell do Stalin’s gulags have to do with America in the Fifties? How’s that GB milkshake taste?
Pelayo on September 12, 2009 at 12:01 AM
I think you can also make a scientific and agnostic ethical argument against abortion. Clearly, from a genetic standpoint, life begins at conception and it is nothing other than human. At conception, you have a complete human genome.
Even your most ardent pro-lifers cannot argue otherwise.
Okay, now you have to jump into ethics and philosophy. Are human beings at a certain stage of development more deserving of life than others? Are the pre-natal, very elderly, infirm, and mentally disabled somehow less human because they are dependent on the more vigorous element of society?
Obama’s death czar, Ezekiel Emanuel, would say ‘yes’ they are worth less on the quality ajusted life scale.
Personally, I would say no. Experience has taught us that we are at our worst when we decide that some are more human than others — slavery, the holocaust, etc.
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 12:10 AM
Now folks in East Tennessee or anywhere else can get all the filth they want, 24/7. Yep, these are really the good old days, aren’t they?
ddrintn on September 12, 2009 at 12:12 AM
This atheists is lmao at this bit of humor.
Gang-of-One on September 12, 2009 at 12:14 AM
You said white people were free in the ’50′s; you didn’t specify where. Specifically:
I pointed out that tens of millions of melanin deficient people were not free in 1955 as an example of the absurdity of your statement.
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 12:18 AM
ddrintn on September 12, 2009 at 12:12 AM
So, I presume you are OK with someone else telling you what you can read, what you can see, or when you are allowed to read it or see it.
From President Taft: “There is nothing quite so strong in human nature as the desire to lay down rules of conduct for other people.”
Pelayo on September 12, 2009 at 12:21 AM
This is actually a pretty good question, though. I would argue that Blacks and Latinos in the American 1950′s (even the south) were considerably more free than the whites (and Jews and Gypsies) of the 1950′s Soviet empire.
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 12:24 AM
Tom Jones is filth? The last person I heard talk like that was Tipper Gore’s PMRC.
Rob Taylor on September 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM
One might argue that Jaycee Dugard had it better than some folks in the world during her captivity. It doesn’t make her experience any less horrific.
dedalus on September 12, 2009 at 12:28 AM
Bitsy, my first reply was to the quoted comment, if “this country” meant The Soviet Union, well excuse me.
Pelayo on September 12, 2009 at 12:28 AM
What does this have to do with America? The Soviet empire was based on Marxist principles of wealth redistribution which some politicians would like to see implemented here in the United States.
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 12:28 AM
My family felt especially free when they had to sit up all night with guns guarding the house they just moved into from Klansman who wanted them out, and this was in upstate New York in the 60s and 70s.
Yes we’re more free than communist countries, that didn’t mean it didn’t suck to be Black. This is a relativisitc argument that, again,is more at home on the left thant hte right (it’s bad in a so things that are bad in b are not that bad)
Rob Taylor on September 12, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Great so we were better than Stalin… how dare they complain!
lexhamfox on September 12, 2009 at 12:34 AM
Rob Taylor, you should have read the editorials concerning Liz Taylor’s scandalous costumes in “Cleopatra.”
I recently saw “Tom Jones” again and I cannot understand why so many blue haired women and Baptist preachers were so upset.
Pelayo on September 12, 2009 at 12:36 AM
Allah, I just don’t get it. You say you are an atheist (so thereabouts). I claim to be a big bang-Christian-gun toting-never trust a preacher-type. Christians, evangelicals, mormons, Catholics, Baptists, and all those other ‘ists, ‘ics, and ‘terians don’t threaten me in the slightest bit. They don’t get under my skin and cause me to itch. I hardly notice them as I go from A to B to Z in life.
I’ve never felt pressured to ‘be’ anything. Sure, I’ve been asked, but I just say no thanks and go about my business. Not one of them has followed me home with a bible, the Constitution, and a pile of kindling wood.
Limerick on September 12, 2009 at 12:37 AM
Point well taken. I didn’t intend to trivialize the plight faced by blacks during the civil rights era.
However, I find it highly ironic that some people would suggest that the solution to this prior injustice in the US is socialism/collectivism. Under national socialism, a 14 yr old members of my family was dragged from his home and hung in front of the whole village because his father opposed the state. Under communist socialism, members of my family spent decades in forced labor camps — in the 60′s and 70s. With this crawl towards socialism, we are going backwards. Race is/was completely irrelevant; individual libery is everything.
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 12:47 AM
I agree with that. We must make sure those things don’t happen here.
Rob Taylor on September 12, 2009 at 12:50 AM
*hick-up*
liberylibertylooks like the Mexican martinis are finally kicking in…
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 12:51 AM
Everyone.
Everybody acts not only under external compulsion but also in accordance with inner necessity.
Obviously any all powerful, all knowing God, would know exactly everything that was ever going to happen. You, I, Schopenhauer and a lesser God, of course, would not, so we can imagine that we really have free will. But do we really? We do and we don’t. All depends on how strictly one defines free will.
MB4 on September 12, 2009 at 12:53 AM
I don’t give a rat if the 9/12 march only draws two people.
At least, two people are taking a stand.
If two million do, that’s fine with me as well.
newton on September 12, 2009 at 1:07 AM
+eleventy million!
Dude, totally not my point. We ALL should be complaining more. Socialism is not the road to social justice; it is the road to social hell. It doesn’t matter if you are black, white, or flourescent green.
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 1:09 AM
I have yet to meet a complete antinomian or “moral anarchist”. Ever. (Fortunately.)
As for the question of “censorship”, has the culture improved since the 1950s? Honestly. Most of the barriers down, “artists” free to produce whatever they want, and yet all we have on TV is 200 channels of garbage, Hollywood turns out dreck by the bucketful, and print literature is all but dead. But we do have that freedom to watch Showgirls. Booyah.
ddrintn on September 12, 2009 at 1:10 AM
No. I am not okay with that. However, I am pretty sure that Cass Sunstien and Mark Lloyd (Obama czars, hooray!) are okay with censorship.
Dang, I am going to have to look that word up!
bitsy on September 12, 2009 at 1:17 AM
Because indoctrination isn’t just happening in the classrooms, AP. You know that.
bileduct on September 12, 2009 at 1:22 AM
Require a belief in God? I vote no.
Desire an appreciation for what that belief and humility can do for an individual and a society, and a recognition that our climb out of tribalism and barbarism to create our civilization with the liberal and beneficent institutions that characterize it? Institutions that secular Conservatives rightly cherish, even though they often fail to recognize the complex spiritual human processes that shaped the painful gestation of what we now feel is self-evidently the right way to organize and conduct a society, whether there be a god or not? Yes, I say, hell yes!
I never want to live anywhere but in a land where good people seek to better themselves and their society, where, even though some may be over-zealous, most are actually restrained by their recognition of their imperfections and the debt they owe for their very lives.
I’ve lived in cold lands where churches were empty, and, accordingly, so were the cradles, and the hopes and the hearts of those I met. I love America. I love that saying “God Bless you” is not in the least insincere even if you don’t have a solid grasp of your own place in the cosmos or an authorized revealed religion to cite and quote. Sincerely wishing the blessings of god upon another, regardless of the compatibility of faiths, is a very American thing, a literal yearning of our own hearts to will that blessing to come to pass. Such things are a vital part of the fabric of who Americans are, and why we have the wonderful country we do. I might phrase Beck’s notion in a more inclusive way, but I understand and appreciate the intent and the affect. So I vote no, but I say those that vote no are fools if they ignore why he and so many other Americans do value that quirk of our nature and society and country.
Okay, I’m shutting up now.
Maquis on September 12, 2009 at 1:29 AM
Are you OK with graphic depictions of rape, torture, pedophilia and bestiality being available on most broadcast channels at all hours of the day? If not, why not? “Moral” grounds?
In other words, there are still limits.
ddrintn on September 12, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Absolutely. Only Democrats and trial lawyers would seek to legislate immorality.
Maquis on September 12, 2009 at 1:38 AM
Okay so here’s my limited take on this debate: YES a belief in God should be on the plank. As it was pointed out by someone, maybe AP himself, the founding fathers had this belief in varying degrees or not at all. To imply that it is on the plank and REQUIRED means you didn’t give the site a CLOSE READING! It is not required that you believe in God to be a 9/12er anymore than it is required that you give to charity. Come on people! Read with comprehension.
Driefromseattle on September 12, 2009 at 2:03 AM
AP, I love you long time. But, you missed the boat on this one. Let me give you a parallel. Are you thrown out of the Democratic party if you don’t support the killing of a baby that survived an abortion? NO. There are no longer absolutes in political stances. Box. Think outside of it.
sybilll on September 12, 2009 at 3:03 AM
Isn’t America’s slogan, “In God we trust”?
Allah, I think it was kind of misleading to end this post with the question/poll that you did. From the headline/title, I thought this was a “good hype about 9/12 DC rally” but instead, it turns out to be another atheists vs. Christians deal, or even another lets biotch about GB (yet again).
We live in the US with the constitutional right to practice/not practice faith the way we each choose, as long as we’re not harming anyone, so that’s your choice if you want to choose atheism; however, the Constitution does say all of us have God given rights. (BTW, when you say the Pledge of Allegiance, do you just lip sync the words about, “one nation, under God, indivisible…” or do you just not pledge?) If atheists want to be patriotic, that’s fine by me tho because God knows, we need all the help we can get. (Another thought, when you see a mouse scamper across your bedroom floor, do you jump up on the bed and scream, “Oh my God!”? LOL
My exit questions for you: As an atheist, where does your sense of right and wrong come from? On what do you base your standards of ethics and integrity? If all that is is here by chance, born from chaos, why do you get out of bed every day? Why bother?
fullogas on September 12, 2009 at 3:25 AM
+100
jhffmn on September 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM
It bugs me when people can’t separate their politics from their religion.
crosspatch on September 12, 2009 at 4:24 AM
Sorry AP.
You are simply a ‘sower of discord’ and I will not play your game.
Sapwolf on September 12, 2009 at 5:06 AM
fullogas on September 12, 2009 at 3:25 AM
+1
Rob Taylor on September 11, 2009 at 11:46 PM
In God we trust does not imply Christianity anymore than it implies Allah or a Hindu God. When the founding fathers referred to God, it was recognized that all religions have a Supreme Being ( including atheist…their religion takes more faith, as their faith is science as defined by man ).
Conservative Voice on September 12, 2009 at 5:38 AM
You only have to agree with 7/9?
ha ha ha ha ha ha
So atheists and agnostics are welcome since they can just spend one of their opt out freebies on the “I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life” bit?
THAT IS SO AWESOME
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 7:21 AM
I thought the Dems tightened up computer security some time ago after a Republican staffer published memos from the Democrats showing they intended to politicise intelligence.
I can only assume the Dems leaked the e-mail.
davod on September 12, 2009 at 7:22 AM
God was once the center of a large majority of people’s lives. It’s amazing how effective Satan has been in such little time to reverse that.
Hening on September 12, 2009 at 7:48 AM
God was once the center of a large majority of people’s lives. It’s amazing how effective Satan has been in such little time to reverse that.
Hening on September 12, 2009 at 7:48 AM
———–
Large majority? What a teeny tiny worldview you have.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 8:07 AM
Hotel full last night. Lots of people drove in late. Wisconsin Florida Colorado OH. Half are families. Good spirits. Staff walked around in daze, looked puzzled. Heading metro. It’s going to be BIG!
joshlbetts on September 12, 2009 at 8:10 AM
Hotel full last night. Lots of people drove in late. Wisconsin Florida Colorado OH. Half are families. Good spirits. Staff walked around in daze, looked puzzled. Heading metro. It’s going to be BIG!
joshlbetts on September 12, 2009 at 8:10 AM
———–
It must be embarrassing to see so many fellow Americans who demonstrate their illiteracy on their signs.
Dave Rywall on September 12, 2009 at 8:15 AM
An old saying, but pertinent nonetheless:
If God is “I AM WHO AM”, then Satan is “I am who am not.”
You can get a lot done if no one thinks you exist.
~*~
Hubby, kidlets and I plan on going to the 9/12 rally in Providence today–the weather sucks, but that’s what umbrellas are for.
Niere on September 12, 2009 at 8:16 AM
Metro station packed. Most have signs. Awesome.
joshlbetts on September 12, 2009 at 8:27 AM
Because it makes all the difference in the world in staying the course and never giving in. A real Believer will give his life and never betray his oath even under threat of death. Can you say the same?
rcl on September 12, 2009 at 8:32 AM
Oh, dont get me wrong…I do believe in God, but the founders also put that we should not have a religion forced on us by government. So why should we expect everyone to believe. We can only pray for those who dont believe.
becki51758 on September 12, 2009 at 8:36 AM
What’s the matter Allah?
You can’t even man up for 7 of the others??
ExTex on September 12, 2009 at 8:48 AM
As Beck has said many times over, the Founders were deeply religious and found their wisdom from their faith in God and that our rights were derived from a higher being than just a man.
Call it the original straw man I suppose that there is someone better than the king of england or take it at it’s value but that’s why.
cadams on September 12, 2009 at 8:48 AM
you’re pretty stupid ain’t ya? you know if you didn’t like it where you were, you could just MOVE and go someplace else that didn’t have blue laws…duhhhhhh moron. you could have moved to San Francisco or someplace like that….but what we have now is a totalist state that runs every aspect of our lives, including what light bulbs we can have and how much water we can have in our toilets.
oh and please they were making porn for perverts like you since film was made.
as far as being white…again you could leave the south…and go to the north where they didn’t have jim crow laws.
I’m sure you think you’re ‘free’ now…right…when government takes half your income….all because can buy porn easily!
moron.
right4life on September 12, 2009 at 8:58 AM
oh and since you are SO concerned about freedom for people of color…why don’t you list all the ATHEIST abolitionist societies for our benefit??
don’t worry, I won’t hold my breath.
we’ve seen what your precious atheist/secular societies become…and it ain’t pretty…and it sure as hell ain’t freedom.
right4life on September 12, 2009 at 9:06 AM
Happy 9/12 Teabaggers! It’s your big day! Time to Change America by wearing flag shirts and carrying sad little misspelled signs.
Hey, remember all of those anti-war rallies held before the former male cheerleader invaded the wrong country? They didn’t stop anything either.
Be sure to put on best John Deere hat and brush your teeth/tooth in case someone from the teevee wants to talk to you. Time to make histurree!!
simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 9:16 AM
of course your way of changing america is much more fun…opening houses of prostitution, bringing in underage sex slaves from overseas…
mighty liberal of ya….
right4life on September 12, 2009 at 9:20 AM
It’s his personal business,but since it’s just about the only thing personal about himself that he puts in his writing, I guess it’s fair game to talk about it. I wasn’t raised with religion or God. What I knew about it as a kid came only from whatever role it played in the society around me–not much btw. So I was intensely curious about it, and began to seek out info and answers for myself. Whatever I believe about the subject was a result of my own actions.
Contrast that with someone who’s raised from the cradle to accept, believe, participate-in, memorize, agree-to a particular absolute truth. If that happened to me, (knowing how I believe little, and trust less of what someone tells me) I’d prob. spend my time disproving and un-doing what I was taught.
Sometimes I think it might be best if people were born without a particular religion, but if they wanted to be part of one, they would have to especially affirm it themselves at a point in their life when they’re capable of making that decision individually. I understand why the religious institutions wouldn’t like such a thing, but too bad. I’ve seen too many examples of where imo, religion has gotten in the way of people exercising independent thinking and their own spiritual search. And for someone who thinks, above all other things, that’s a real no-no.
Hope the march shakes the WH, physically and metaphorically.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM
Huh. Let’s see, one of the main organizers of this event, Glenn Beck, has in just one week disposed of Van Jones and has gotten ACORN banished from participating in the census, with more repercussions likely to follow. He couldn’t have done this without a groudswell of support.
And you’re right–the anti-war rallies did NOTHING except give us all a giggle at puppets. Really? Ya got nothin’ better than puppets? I’ll give you this–you did put your best puppet in the White House. Too bad it’s starting to fall apart on you.
So based on that, it’s clear to me that the libs are running scared. When they can’t argue on facts and results, all they can sputter out are juvenile diatribes.
Today is going to be a good day. :)
Niere on September 12, 2009 at 9:37 AM
simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 9:16 AM
It my playmate! Hi, Skippy! You woke up early to watch cartoons, didn’t you? Before you eat your Cap’n Crunch, would you mind Twittering Barry on his Blackberry and tell him for us that if he had any testicular fortitude he would not have deliberately scheduled his townhall in Minneapolis for today. If he had any courage at all, he would be in Washington today. And if he had any Patriotic feelings at all, he would not have announced talks with iran late at night on 9/11. I’ll let you go so you can get back to Cartoon Network. Later, Skippy!
kingsjester on September 12, 2009 at 9:49 AM
Sorry, but as we keep telling Obama, this IS a christian nation founded on christian beliefs.
In the 5 thousand year leap which Glenn is trying to get everyone to read (it is REALLY a very valuable, and inspiring, informative book) it makes very clear just how important christianity was to our founders.
They in fact DID want religion to be taught in the schools and prayers to be said, they just never wanted GOVERNMENT to IMPOSE a religion, or religious laws on the people.
They wanted freedom of religion, not freedom FROM religion.
They NEVER intended for christianity to NOT be in our running of day to day government. Hence all of the religious writings, and pictures that are all over our nations capital.
The quote:
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams
In this you can see the truth of why we are having so many problems with our government, and our lives. The PEOPLE have let religion leave too much of their lives.
How is that poll working out for you?
patriotparty1 on September 12, 2009 at 10:01 AM
STOP WHINING!!
For a person who says other people shouldn’t care about whether or not he’s an atheist, you seem to care an awful lot about those who do believe in God. Are you secure in your atheism or not? If you are, it shouldn’t matter. Glenn wants small gov, you want small gov, the majority of people here want small gov, so we can all get along on that. Yet, you are intent on drawing distinctions and putting people into boxes based on your own perceptions. Therefore, you get to play victim because all the big bad God people included God as part of their principles- and now you’re left out. Awwww. The problem is no one excluded you from this, except you.
Why 7? Don’t know. Why not 6? Why those specific principles at all? These were things that came to Glenn and he put out there. Either you agree or you don’t. I’m guessing he figured that people wouldn’t agree with all (hence the 7). But you do need a majority of agreement, otherwise what’s the point.
Look, if you don’t want to be a part of it then fine. Don’t be. It’s just a giant tea party right? Just don’t predicate your voluntarily exclusion on the notion that those who do believe in God are somehow preventing you from being included.
xax on September 12, 2009 at 10:03 AM
For whomever of our non-troll HA posters are going to DC tomorrow for the March, I hope I get to meet some of you in person. I have no idea where I am going as I have never been there before and I am going with my friend who organized the bus. I’ll be with the NJ (yuck-I live there) marchers and wearing my brown Reagan shirt, petite, blond hair & my name is Maria. Hope I get to meet some of you as you all bring so much laughter and smiles to a sometimes dull life!
margategop517 on September 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Simon’s looking for some social interacting. He’s posting the same words on multiple threads looking for a bite. Say Hi to your Mom for me Simon… you little Useful Blind Puppet Monkey.
ronnyraygun on September 12, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Good analysis; I like your stand.
anniekc on September 12, 2009 at 10:19 AM
AP and Ed –
Can we have a 9/12 open thread? Pretty please? Today is a big day, would be fun & useful to have all the updates in one place.
Missy on September 12, 2009 at 10:27 AM
His roommate, Afrolib, is still sleeping. We kept him awake late last night teaching him a thing or three. Aint college grand?
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 10:37 AM
My family is going to the 9-12 event in El Paso. I agree with Missy- it would be great to have a 9/12 open thread!
cibolo on September 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM
mikepfs RT michellemalkin RT @brightwing: Great livecam of the march on DC! http://tinyurl.com/dh8ezh #912 #tcot #sgp #teaparty
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Afrolib? Do I make fun of your driving? Do the kids play the frute???
simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 10:46 AM
It’s closing in on 1100 in D.C. – the live cams show what appear to me to be MASSIVE crowds.
HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM
LOL. Were you referring to my ethnicity? I called you a college kid, and you made a swipe at Asians. Oh yeah, that’s what Dems do. Sorry I wandered off ur plantation.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Streaming in like cockroaches…
simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM
Yep – the Democratic Socialists don’t have enough RAID!
I love it.
However – anyone noticed? All the cams controlled by Nancy Pelosi appear to be offline.
Controlling the message like good little Marxists. Heh – they learn much from the Chinese and Ayatollahs in Iran.
HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Hey, what are all of these dregs ‘protesting’ about? You LOST the presidency and both houses of congress. Your opinions don’t carry much weight. Sounds like sour grapes.
simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Again, here’s a link to some cams showing the march that isn’t happening. Quite an amazing site.
http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/camera/9087/index.html
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 10:55 AM
You’re right – they don’t carry much weight. Then again – apparently – neither do yours since you own the whole government PLUS the press and can’t get your Nationalized Health Care passed.
Also – you can’t prosecute Bush or Cheney. Not for the EIT’s or for causing 9-11. You’re a truther of course, correct?
HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 10:56 AM
I just came on after reading the twitter updates and was going to post the link for the livecam. You are right, the crowds are massive. Simplesemen must be cross-eyed by now–I can hear it’s teeth grinding together.
Great turnout!
http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/camera/9087/index.html
lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 10:58 AM
I hope the MSM ignores the crowds! One more nail in the coffin of their credibility!
More Fox Viewers!
HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Pay us no mind. We’re beaten, defeated, count for nothing, and are no threat. Obama is as popular as ever.
P.S. You might want to stay out of DC today, just sayin.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:00 AM
What’s the twitter link?
HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:02 AM
link?
angryed on September 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM
From Senator DeMint, on twitter:
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM
http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/camera/9087/index.html
^^Link to cams
HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Thank you. I’ve long said that we will be brought back to freedom by the people who have already experienced collectivism.
A lot of people in the US just don’t know how good they had it.
itsacookbook on September 12, 2009 at 11:03 AM
Click on the link for a nice photo of the march:
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:04 AM
Thanks Honda. Damn that is A LOT of people.
angryed on September 12, 2009 at 11:06 AM
Ayn Rand was a staunch atheist yet recognized The Constitution as the greatest political document in history, although she rightly felt that its core principles were not expressed unamniguously enough, which is why the statists have been able to slip things past it.
She couldn’t care less that it referenced God as the source of man’s rights, as she was able to show that man’s rights are just as easily derived objectively from first principles, as flowing naturally from the basic metaphysics of human existence. What is not important, therefore, is not the Founding Father’s belief in God as the source of man’s rights, but the fact that those rights exist and are inalienable. Everything important flows from this whether you’re a Christian or an atheist.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Christian conservatives and secular conservatives and libertarians can get along fine just as long as one side doesn’t insist on forcing its religion on the other and one side respects the others to channel their beliefs through God. We agree on the meat and potatoes of freedom and that’s all that matters.
Sharke on September 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:09 AM
Sorry for the sloppy writing, Blackberry/bouncy bus.
Sharke on September 12, 2009 at 11:11 AM
The most radical idea in history. Today’s “radicals” are a pale comparison.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM
‘Glad to see the crowd looks so good already.
Oh, and “no” to the poll.
Y-not on September 12, 2009 at 11:14 AM
More pictures:
http://tweetphoto.com/0308ef
lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:17 AM
Holy crap–look at this!
http://tweetphoto.com/f88dee
lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:19 AM
Even if 2 million DO show up, the MSM will not cover it.
Sorry for my pessimism. I’m just so incredulous that the ACORN story didn’t even make a dent. I just don’t get it.
13Girl on September 12, 2009 at 11:20 AM
If 2 million show up, the media won’t have to. Remember, the media will go down with Obama. They can’t survive him.
JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:21 AM
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