Democratic memo: 9/12 Project might draw two million people to D.C. tomorrow
posted at 7:05 pm on September 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Maybe. Or, like MKH says, maybe it’s a lame, cynical attempt to raise expectations so high that even if they draw a million the left can cry, “It was a bust!” Silly Nancy, tricks are for kids.
A top House Dem leadership aide has emailed a memo to Dem aides on the Hill and outside liberal groups warning they should brace for a turnout of up to two million people, suggesting Dems worry that if enough conservatives descend on the Mall it will amount to a major PR victory for the right.
The aide, Doug Thornell, warned in the memo that the dust-up over Joe “you lie” Wilson has been invigorating conservatives. “It looks like Saturday’s event is going to be a huge gathering, estimates ranging from hundreds of thousands to 2 million people,” Thornell wrote in the memo, which was forwarded by a source.
While we’re on the subject, anyone want to try explaining to me why this is a “core principle” of what amounts in practice to a giant tea party?
I believe in God and He is the center of my life.
Beck fans reminded me the other night on Twitter that the man himself says you needn’t subscribe to all nine principles to be part of the Project; apparently any seven (why seven?) will do. Which is super, but beside the point. Why would an atheist join a political movement that makes belief in God part of its plank? Why does Glenn Beck care whether I go to church — and he does care to some extent if he’s putting this on the list of core convictions — if if I’m willing to vote with him on cutting taxes? No one was bugging me about my faith or lack thereof on 9/12/01, which the Project claims in its mission statement it’s trying to “bring us all back to.” And quite frankly, any form of aspirational language in a political context about what “the center of my life” should be is … odd. Is this about smaller government or self-help?
I’m going to make you vote on this; I want to know how many think it’s so important that it should be some guiding light for grassroots conservatism, which is what the Project amounts to in practice. Exit quotation from peeved liberal James Poniewozik: “You want to bring back the feeling of national unity and civility, Glenn Beck? You could start by not using this tragedy as your personal political platform.”










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Heh…good idea with the poll on this one. I voted no.
AUINSC on September 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM
Ed and/or Allah:
Any chance we’re gonna get a special 9/12 thread as a place to channel reports and communiques from and to HA members attending the DC event and others throughout the land?
I know a number of requests have been made for same, but no one has heard back, far as I know.
Thanks.
TXUS on September 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM
I think one doesnt have to believe in God to be patriotic.
becki51758 on September 11, 2009 at 7:09 PM
The people I know who are there aren’t there because they listen to Glenn Beck nor have they so much as mentioned the 9/12 project.
MayBee on September 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM
Poniewozik and TIME magazine can go f— themselves for using a blog about TV to engage in a partisan political attack. Full stop. The who or why is irrelevant.
The Lone Platypus on September 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM
I wish I could be there. God Bless all of those who go. We are with you in spirit.
texasconserv on September 11, 2009 at 7:11 PM
Media coverage: ZERO
angryed on September 11, 2009 at 7:11 PM
ABC News: Bomb Threat Forces Evacuation of DC TEA Party Planners
On the anniversary of 9/11… nice
tetriskid on September 11, 2009 at 7:11 PM
I should have voted no , but Glenn Beck! was funnier..
the_nile on September 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM
I say there will be no less than 3 million!
GOD BLESS USA
hawkman on September 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Really should have made the Glenn Beck rant a separate post.
On the title of the post, I wish I could be there. Someone will have to carry a candle for me while I sit here in AssCrack-istan.
donkichi on September 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Our God-given rights
Are given by God, of course.
If not, then from whom?
If no Creator,
“Endowed by our Creator”
Is an empty phrase.
Hey, but times do change
You know that I love you, man…
You atheist nut!
Haiku Guy on September 11, 2009 at 7:12 PM
Godspeed to all of those who attend…
right2bright on September 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM
I am a practicing Catholic and I voted no.
1921 C DRUM on September 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Voted No, in that to do otherwise would’ve offended the men who started this great country.
But vote me a Hell Yeah I Do, personally
TXUS on September 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Well, when the media covers 3 individuals at a protest against Glenn Beck’s “key to the city” ceremony as some type of big deal, you can bet that 2 million in favor of 9/12 won’t even get them to bat an eye.
PBoilermaker on September 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
I voted yes because hearing about your faith for the umpteenth time is getting a little old. But the God plank is miner. This is more like one of your Meggy Mac moments in which you actually believe we need to listen to the left’s complaints.
NotCoach on September 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
No, but despite the intolerance of the left, one CAN believe in God and Country without being attacked for the former.
highhopes on September 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
The reason for a belief in G-d is that those who do believe know that there is a higher power which is not influenced by polls, new fads, etc. Many atheists are faddists, while some are pretty well grounded. As Beck said, the list does not call for mandatory adherence, but represent a common (not exclusive) core.
stonemeister on September 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
The MSM jackalopes will still only show a short clip of some D.C. bum, lying in an alley drinking Mad Dog, and claim he was the only guy who showed up for the rally.
Bishop on September 11, 2009 at 7:14 PM
Ditto.
1921 C DRUM on September 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM
You aren’t making me vote on anything…
Theworldisnotenough on September 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Because religion has been a major part of American life and values since, I don’t know, 1776.
You don’t have to abide by that conviction. Like you said, 7 of them.
You may be an atheist Allah and I respect that. But understand that that concept of believing in God won’t be an issue for probably 98% of people coming to that page.
Most of the other 2% will probably just blow that off like atheist Republicans do when it comes to the relevant GOP party planks.
It’s about more than just small government. Small government is an American value, but the 9/12 Project explicitly states its goal is to bring us back to the values our nation was founded upon.
amerpundit on September 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Ever notice that, in theory natural law does not require God, but in practice…
Theworldisnotenough on September 11, 2009 at 7:15 PM
The thing that could justify the appearance of God in that list is that, according to our Founders, our rights are derived from Him, or at least the Creator, not the government.
KellyBomelly on September 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Glad to see Nancy has pulled the plug on censuring Wilson. The memo in the story maybe gave her a clue, ‘Hey we are stoking this fire!’
I will tell you this may..just may be the catalyist that could cool the health care debate.
Can you imagine two million “angry” and “bickering” people in Washington DC. That would be the ultimate grassroots, baby!
I hope the ‘Cuda is there. Don’t fear the Cuda!
Rndguy on September 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Glenn has been veering into “only God can save this Republic” territory during his show this week. Lots of calls to support the movement with prayers, etc.
I vote “no” on the poll question, but Glenn’s rhetoric may explain why the topic is part of his campaign platform (for lack of a more appropriate description).
Anton on September 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I voted “Glenn Beck”. But I will wholeheartedly defend those who wish to display both their religion and patriotism in a rich brew
phreshone on September 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM
Wish I could attend. Voted no.
txag92 on September 11, 2009 at 7:16 PM
I won’t comment on the God part, because I believe in Him, but for those like me that wanted to go, and found it impossible (like me) there are gatherings ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
I would too like to send some video to HA from what should be a huge turn out in FLYOVER Trussville AL.
seesalrun on September 11, 2009 at 7:17 PM
+1
D0WNT0WN on September 11, 2009 at 7:17 PM
Wow – 2 million? wouldn’t that be AWESOME???? However, I think the Dhims sent that out so they can claim 9/12 a failure because only 1 Million showed up.
Fishoutofwater on September 11, 2009 at 7:18 PM
He cares about your immortal soul.
Kind of like when your neighbors house is on fire. You try to put it out with your garden hose. It might not work, but hey….you tried.
portlandon on September 11, 2009 at 7:18 PM
Like Michael the Archangel said in the new “Legion” trailer, God doesn’t believe in you either!
…yeah, I know, it’s a really stupid line. ^^;
Orange Doorhinge on September 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM
I’ll be there…
sven10077 on September 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Big Media scrambling to not notice. Same tactic they would use if Obama were frogmarched out of the White House by the FBI.
whitetop on September 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM
.
Look for a hat, Hawaiian pants and a smile…
…see ya there!
(take a hike, AP…)
Lockstein13 on September 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM
Glenn Beck!
notropis on September 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM
I will be happy if 500,000 raging patriot rabble-rousers storm the capital. Fear us, we are coming.
Geochelone on September 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM
1921 C DRUM on September 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM
We’ll have equaled the Million Man March at least! Do they consider THAT a failure? (don’t answer, lib logic will destroy your mind)
Orange Doorhinge on September 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
I voted ‘no’. Belief in God is a personal decision. However, belief in a higher power does make an individual a little more humble.
I think the point about the plank is that Washington DC is NOT the center of our lives rather than anything else necessarily is.
ThackerAgency on September 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
There is only one Messiah and of course there is a Mrs. Messiah and she has a $10,000 handbag and has a $300,000 job as a cum-munity organizer where she doesn’t have to work – and she is just now “Proud of her country” wow – I bet they are so happy in Kenya to here that – that’s where The Messiah was born. The mid-wife was Nancy “You’re All Nazis” Pelosi. Damn but you have to love the Dems – I mean where else can you invite (on Halloween) Hillary and Mrs. Messiah and scare the hell out of kids without having to worry about wearing costumes!
Cinday Blackburn on September 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
True..I believe in both, but we all have the freedom to choose.
becki51758 on September 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Rather likely, to say the least. When was the last time that a protest ever drew a million, let alone two million? They are so transparent.
MB4 on September 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Obama Liar on immigration
William Amos on September 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Even if 5 million people show up, the Left and the MSM will claim it was a bust. Should be fun to watch.
Del Dolemonte on September 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
I’m a Christian and I voted no. Patriotism and wanting to return to the Constitutional form of government the Founders established should be the core principles. They didn’t exclude anyone then and no one should be excluded now.
infidel4life on September 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM
Belief in God and going to church are two very separate things. I’d rather be around people who profess to believe in God than those who profess to believe in the cult of liberalism, frankly. My take on God and life is more Robert Frost than Martin Luther, too.
starboardhelm on September 11, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Opps sorry this is direct link to story
William Amos on September 11, 2009 at 7:21 PM
SPIN FROM THE DEMS….
Don’t believe the liars.
If they have 2 million the media will YAWN.
If they have 1,999,999 they will yell…LOOOOOOSERS.
By the way….one of our families signs for our 9/12 rally will be
“NANCY YOU APOLOGIZE!!!!”
9/12……Let’s roll!!!
PappyD61 on September 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM
As opposed to a belief in the Awesomeness of Teh One?
Perhaps, AP, you should budget some time to re-read the Declaration of Independence.
Or is the language within it too dated for your tastes?
CPT. Charles on September 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Well, that settles it. I just asked my husband the poll question (he reads irregularly reads H/A) and he said,
“Um. Wouldn’t that mean that Allahpundit couldn’t participate in it? Then, no.”
He knew no details except the issue at hand.
Diane on September 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM
I wish I could be there as well, God or no God. Some believe some do not but I see God in this context as “Goodness and Right” (not political right).
said it better tho.
NY Conservative on September 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM
Last time I check the Gospels, Jesus was hanging with tax collectors and prostitutes.
How else can God work through people to bring others (AP, fired ACORN workers, and others) out from the dark but by having them rub shoulders with one another?
BuckeyeSam on September 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM
AP I would love to know what you think is a “guiding light” for “grassroots conservatism”. In fact I would thoroughly enjoy all of the visitors to HotAir to post one single core principle in grassroots conservatism that seals the deal for them. Its important that we recognize our conservatism individually and what it means to us personally.
Do we really need someone elses list to convince us that 1)we believe in conservative values and 2) that we need someone else to tell us what those conservative values are.
canditaylor68 on September 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM
yes now is the time to argue with Beck over atheists and their role in reigning in the influence peddling operation known as the democratic party.
rob verdi on September 11, 2009 at 7:23 PM
HIs campaign was full of flip flops and he is continuing that pattern. HIs nose should be 100 feet long and his pants should be on fire.
becki51758 on September 11, 2009 at 7:24 PM
I’m just guessing, but they probably picked seven because it means you believe in a strong majority of the pledges. They wouldn’t want someone who only believed in, say, 5 because then you’re basically working against half of their goals. Whatever…shot in the dark.
Emily M. on September 11, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Allah, Liberty can not exist without a Creator. That is why belief in God (Creator) is essential
One of the foundations of liberty is that we are all equal. The only way for us to be equal is if we are all created.
offroadaz on September 11, 2009 at 7:24 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
Diane on September 11, 2009 at 7:24 PM
They are trying to overplay the expectations so the turnout seems like a disappointment.
I expect several hundred thousand on the Mall–tops being around a million.
Enoxo on September 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM
And for Acorn, turning tricks is also for kids.
Gotta love the Dems.
Canadian Infidel on September 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM
2 million… wouldn’t that be a beautiful sight?
iceman1960 on September 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM
Tomorrow?? I read HA every day. I don’t even remember reading a thread about this here. I better get new reading glasses.
JiangxiDad on September 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM
A 9/12 thread would be great…
… maybe with a live feed.
Seven Percent Solution on September 11, 2009 at 7:26 PM
I personally don’t believe in God, but I know that others do – and that belief is very important to them. There are bad apples on both sides of the religion debate, but some of our country’s greatest minds have been believers in God, and I respect that. So while I do not subscribe to this particular tenet, I have no problem that Beck does. Besides, I’m well-enough aware of the fact that as a conservative non-believer, I’m in the minority – no need to be antagonistic over one little quibble.
I cannot wait until tomorrow! But I agree that no matter how many people show up, the talking heads and Washington insiders will consider it a bust.
Anna on September 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM
Thanks. I wish I could be there also..but I cant. I’ll be there in spirit and my prayers go with all of them.
becki51758 on September 11, 2009 at 7:27 PM
” apparently any seven (why seven?) will do”
Hmmmm. Seven of nine?
notropis on September 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Interesting poll.
Since a belief in God is the foundation and indeed the source of our freedom as penned in the Declaration:
No other source for our freedoms and liberties are to be found anywhere else. It just seems to me that a belief in conservatism without god is…..weird.
I vote Yes
Guardian on September 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Sorry OT woohoo another victory “census bureau cuts ties with ACORN” probably thanks to the “pimp/ho” vids.Whoever did those deserves many,many accolades.http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ALCUJO0&show_article=1
theTarCzar on September 11, 2009 at 7:28 PM
There will be so many people there and 1000x that many who would like to be there but can’t. The MSM will only cover protestors. Good luck to all present and i’ll be there in spirit from the west coast.
rjoco1 on September 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Why would there be a thread? If I had nothing to say about it until today, why would I promote it?
Allahpundit on September 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM
Isn’t Glenn Beck a Mormon? Don’t Mormons believe that Jesus and the Devil are brothers? Mormons really aren’t Christians, are they.
- Mike Huckabee
If we are going to have Muslims battling Infidels, we might as well have Sunnis battling Shiites. Meanwhile Obama is burning down the rest of the house.
MB4 on September 11, 2009 at 7:29 PM
I think there can be room for both believers and godless lost souls..er athiests in our big tent.
//sarc
DrW on September 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM
I voted yes but welcome all those who voted no or Glen Beck.
Coronagold on September 11, 2009 at 7:30 PM
+1 on all points. I can see the point in that it’s Beck’s thing so he put his own viewpoint in it, but the belief in God thing didn’t really need to be put in there.
Now, if you want to get into a whole “A Judeo-Christian ethical foundation was a core principle of the founding of this country, etc”, that would be more understandable and may be more of what he was going for.
BakerAllie on September 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM
Tempest in a Teapot.
Beck beleives in God and it’s a key part of who he is. He feels strongly enough about it to make it one of the planks of his approach to life.
Did he say that if you agree with everything else, but not that one, he doesn’t want anything to do with you?
Give it a rest Allahpundit.
Beck is doing great things and getting a lot of people interested in defeating the real bad guys.
Take your atheism off your sleeve and put your belief in conservative values in its place.
notagool on September 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I’m in a thread-bombing mood:
Isn’t Beck a Mormon? Because if people are really interested in a legitimate discussion on religion, this is something to consider If Beck is mormon, he and I do not worship the same deity, regardless of terminology. I can participate in many common causes, would vote FOR a Mormon, but, evoking God (particularly as a tenet of a cause) is limiting and a cause for concern.
I am not much of a relativist, particularly when it comes to theological distinctives.
(ducks, again…)
Diane on September 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM
You know, for a guy who talks about fascism so much, this whole idea sounds very.
Erm.
Fascist.
Keljeck on September 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM
I don’t care about the numbers, I just want to see a sea of America-loving people in D.C. tomorrow, demanding that the federal government stop spending trillions of dollars we don’t have, on crap we neither need nor want, in violation of the U.S. Constitution.
I voted no in the poll. We need all hands on deck for this project. What’s important is whether or not they believe in the U.S. Constitution, not whether or not they believe in God. Anyway, God loves atheists too, and that’s good enough for me.
AZCoyote on September 11, 2009 at 7:31 PM
It’s important to Glenn Beck, and it’s his project. Why is it so important that he cater to what you think is important? The site says he’d like you to participate if you agree with at least 7 of the principles. If 8 out of 9 is a deal breaker for you, start your own group and run it according to what you think is important, and make it all mandatory.
Ronnie on September 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM
I voted yes.
Sorry Allah you are voted off the island. ;)
clement on September 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM
AP, why wouldn’t an libertarian/conservative atheist join such a movement? Those that seek 100% agreement are impractical.
toliver on September 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM
Gullible fools that will believe anything and give it 10% of their paycheck. And you are wondering why a leader of a movement would want this?
LevStrauss on September 11, 2009 at 7:32 PM
I voted no. But why even worry about it?No ones gonna pull a Star Trek “Return of the Archons”(i think thats the episode yeah i have my geeky side) “YOU! Are not of the body!” crap.Glenn is Glenn.
theTarCzar on September 11, 2009 at 7:33 PM
I watch ‘Oh God!’ the other night…one of my favorite lines
And no you dont have to believe in God to be a Patriot. But it couldn’t hurt. ;-)
journeyscarab on September 11, 2009 at 7:33 PM
i’m a practicing Catholic too.
i keep practcing, and yet I don’t get any better at it.
BTW, I also voted no.
JohnGalt23 on September 11, 2009 at 7:33 PM
10%?? Here in NY we give Obama and the other bloodsuckers closer to 50%. Where do you live??
JiangxiDad on September 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Meh. I voted no, but then I don’t care who or what you worship. You can worship your poodle for all I care unless your poodle is telling you to kill me if I don’t worship him. Then we’re going to have problems. Big ones.
elduende on September 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Or for that matter, why would an atheist assume that every political movement wants atheists to join?
Ronnie on September 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Um…how exactly?
Emily M. on September 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
my vote, like my belief’s, are my business, but i will be in DC tomorrow :)
trailortrash on September 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
What does it say about we have this thread that suggests belief in a higher being is somehow inconsistent with being a good citizen and another thread where a man is literally gunned down for offending somebody by being vocal in the defense of unborn life?
Intolerance from the left and those who insist we all be atheists is offensive. There is plenty room for believers and non-believers alike.
highhopes on September 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
I voted yes purely for my own personal benefit; I don’t think everyone has to believe in God, but more and more often I find myself hoping to hell there’s a man upstairs that has a plan for us, because the man in the White house scares me to death and I have to find strength somewhere.
anniekc on September 11, 2009 at 7:34 PM
Ha this from the idiotic party that worships loser obama .and treats the disproven global warming bullshit like a religion.Try again pequeno brain(and pene)
theTarCzar on September 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM
You promote news?
JiangxiDad on September 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM
How come atheists think believing in God means you have to go to church?
I believe in God but not organized religion. God is all over our founding documents, and it doesn’t mean any one religion. God is referred to by the Founders as a higher power, not one certain version of that higher power.
NTWR on September 11, 2009 at 7:35 PM
Mormons pay 10% of their income to tithing. Please don’t engage him on the subject of religion.
Emily M. on September 11, 2009 at 7:36 PM
Mass mobilization.
Making us “one” like we were in a time of crisis (Fascism is all about the unity of the one in crisis).
The idea of having a set number of “Core Values” or “Beliefs” or whatever. Simply listed, simply understood.
I mean, we’re not talking street thugs, or something. But for a guy so sensitive to fascism, it’s funny he’s throwing something so overtly fascist.
Keljeck on September 11, 2009 at 7:36 PM
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