Democratic memo: 9/12 Project might draw two million people to D.C. tomorrow

posted at 7:05 pm on September 11, 2009 by Allahpundit

Maybe. Or, like MKH says, maybe it’s a lame, cynical attempt to raise expectations so high that even if they draw a million the left can cry, “It was a bust!” Silly Nancy, tricks are for kids.

A top House Dem leadership aide has emailed a memo to Dem aides on the Hill and outside liberal groups warning they should brace for a turnout of up to two million people, suggesting Dems worry that if enough conservatives descend on the Mall it will amount to a major PR victory for the right.

The aide, Doug Thornell, warned in the memo that the dust-up over Joe “you lie” Wilson has been invigorating conservatives. “It looks like Saturday’s event is going to be a huge gathering, estimates ranging from hundreds of thousands to 2 million people,” Thornell wrote in the memo, which was forwarded by a source.

While we’re on the subject, anyone want to try explaining to me why this is a “core principle” of what amounts in practice to a giant tea party?

I believe in God and He is the center of my life.

Beck fans reminded me the other night on Twitter that the man himself says you needn’t subscribe to all nine principles to be part of the Project; apparently any seven (why seven?) will do. Which is super, but beside the point. Why would an atheist join a political movement that makes belief in God part of its plank? Why does Glenn Beck care whether I go to church — and he does care to some extent if he’s putting this on the list of core convictions — if if I’m willing to vote with him on cutting taxes? No one was bugging me about my faith or lack thereof on 9/12/01, which the Project claims in its mission statement it’s trying to “bring us all back to.” And quite frankly, any form of aspirational language in a political context about what “the center of my life” should be is … odd. Is this about smaller government or self-help?

I’m going to make you vote on this; I want to know how many think it’s so important that it should be some guiding light for grassroots conservatism, which is what the Project amounts to in practice. Exit quotation from peeved liberal James Poniewozik: “You want to bring back the feeling of national unity and civility, Glenn Beck? You could start by not using this tragedy as your personal political platform.”



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Looks like a great turnout from the webcam site. I can’t find it on TV yet. I presume that Fox will be waiting until Beck’s special comes on.

AnninCA on September 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM

White House and Gibbs claim no knowledge of the march.

The White House on Friday claimed it was unaware of the planned rally.

“I don’t know who the group is,” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters with a shrug.

But a House leadership aide has warned fellow Democrats that up to 2 million demonstrators could turn out.

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:29 AM

I’m looking at the cameras and they have crossed 3rd and Pennsylvania ave and the line extends all the way back to 9th and Pennsylvania ave.

1/2 of a mile of shoulder to shoulder people.

xax on September 12, 2009 at 11:30 AM

Several Tweets report 1.2M supposedly – an estimate from DC police. Not confirmed.

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Looks like a great turnout from the webcam site. I can’t find it on TV yet. I presume that Fox will be waiting until Beck’s special comes on.

AnninCA on September 12, 2009 at 11:27 AM

Howdy;
Care to answer for your hateful Reagan comments now.
Or will you hide again.

massrighty on September 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Listening to live stream radio. Estimate already at 1.2 million per police estimate!

patriotparty1 on September 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Dang.
1.2 mil.
That’s impressive.
I’m happy.

Geochelone on September 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

WHITE HOUSE CLAIMS NO KNOWLEDGE!!!

Ain’t life grand!

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Someone on twitter said CNN is going to “join” Beck for the coverage???

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

When I saw those pictures on Michelle’s site I shed a tear.

I’m so proud of my fellow citizens. We were going to go but couldn’t swing the $$$.

gophergirl on September 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Listening to live stream radio. Estimate already at 1.2 million per police estimate!

patriotparty1 on September 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I could turn on CNN or MSDNC to see their coverage of this, but then again if I want to hear crickets all I have to do is step outside.

Gator Country on September 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Geochelone on September 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM

I’m still trying to understand some of what u said last night, and now you go and say “dang.” Ur an interesting guy!

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:34 AM

WHITE HOUSE CLAIMS NO KNOWLEDGE!!!

Ain’t life grand!

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

It’s confirmed – we have Marxists in charge of the government now.

Why not fire Gibbs – and hire the press secretaries that currently work for the Grand Ayatollah and Amadinnerjacket? They put out equally pathetic propaganda – and they’d work for a lot less cash than Gibbs.

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Someone on twitter said CNN is going to “join” Beck for the coverage???

Maybe after they got thrown under by their best friends over that 9/11 boat fiasco, they realized that the white house is not to be trusted. Then again. I hear battered mates tend to go back for more.

xax on September 12, 2009 at 11:36 AM

oh AP. If we have to explain it you won’t understand. Just read the 5000 year leap, your answer is in the first few chapters.
-G

GregoryNeilSmith on September 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM

RT @jbobmurph: I can hear the unamplified crowd from the other side of the White House, nearly 4 blocks away. #tcot #912DC #912
21 minutes ago from TweetDeck
http://twitter.com/roaring_repub

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM

Live photo stream here …

http://twitcaps.com/s/%23912dc

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23912dc

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM

WHITE HOUSE CLAIMS NO KNOWLEDGE!!!

Ain’t life grand!

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Suuuuure – that’s why there is a rally scheduled for today (which by the way woke me up at 8 with the helicopters and police sirens thank you very much)

MSNBC – no mention of 1.2 million citizens protesting but Ed Schultz is carrying the speech.

Suuuure they didn’t know – right

gophergirl on September 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

For me, anyway, the urgency of the liberty issue so overshadows the religious one that I would minimize the distraction… in favor of something along the lines of “live and let live”.

Let’s first focus on securing our liberty. After that, we can consider the role of religion.

petefrt on September 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Let’s not get excited – I’m not sure there are 1.2M people there.

The pics are pretty stunning … but Fox is reporting only “tens of thousands”.

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM

http://pic.gd/cd7b95 they had to open another street bc penn ave. is overcrowded #912dc
http://twitter.com/GloriouslyDark

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:43 AM

luvnlifemom: speaker just announced crowd estimates are at 1.5million #912dc
half a minute ago from web

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

MARCH ON!!! DONT STOP!! RT @c4400: #teaparty #912 Theyre now saying we dont have a permit to be on The Mall, hmmm

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Horsecrap. DC police are saying 1.2 million already. BTW, why isn’t HA running a separate thread for this event rather than dragging out the God debate?

Fletch54 on September 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

luvnlifemom: speaker just announced crowd estimates are at 1.5million #912dc
half a minute ago from web

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:45 AM

Thanks for all the twitter picture links. Those are some impressive pictures.

gophergirl on September 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:46 AM

Could they be dumb enough to try to forcefully disperse the crowd?

massrighty on September 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

RT @roaring_repub: WH official claim not to know abt 1 million ppl were heading toward their lawn for #912dc yet they want to MANAGE HC???

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Obama: “The Greatest Communist President we have ever had.” <- Another GREAT sign! #DC912 #teaparty #ocra #tcot #tlot

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

DC912 signs -> “Go Green Recycle Congress,” “I’m Not Your ATM” and “Obamacare makes me sick.” #teaparty #tcot #ocra #iamthemob #tlot
11 minutes ago from web

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

Could they be dumb enough to try to forcefully disperse the crowd?

massrighty on September 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

That might start something they could not stop.

gophergirl on September 12, 2009 at 11:49 AM

jaketapper to clarify — i am NOT covering the rally. @yunjid is. say hi to her. and what they hey, #follow her as well

What rally?

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

What rally?

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Pay no attention to the 1.5 million people behind the curtain

gophergirl on September 12, 2009 at 11:51 AM

WHITE HOUSE CLAIMS NO KNOWLEDGE!!!

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

Maybe that’s why the Bamster plans to be in Minnesota today.

petefrt on September 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

CNN covering protest rally!!! A sea of Patriots! Love it! #DC912 #teaparty #ocra #tcot #tlot #iamthemob

LizBlaine: #DC912 Just in, Rooftop cell photo -> http://bit.ly/S9xC1 Cry, Obama, cry! #teaparty #tcot #tlot #ocra #iamthemob
1 minute ago from web
http://www.demilu.net/history.jpg

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Maybe that’s why the Bamster plans to be in Minnesota today.

petefrt on September 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Couldn’t fit under the bed with Axelrod, Rham and Michelle, so he’s staying at a Holiday Inn tonight :)

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

This is beautiful. I predicted a couple of million protesters. I wonder how close I’ll be. I hope some of our Gang have gotten together already. Hey Obama, you’re missing the party, coward.

kingsjester on September 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM

Fletch54 on September 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Thanks – I’m hoping the reports are correct – I’m just saying Fox is only admitting to “tens of thousands”.

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:54 AM

kingsjester

In my mind, it’s the culmination of a year or more of anti-Obamism, the biggest, most important political event since the election. Anyone who doesn’t cover it reveals themselves as the enemy.

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

What rally?

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Okay people, move along! There’s nothing to see here!

massrighty on September 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

How many did the million man march have on DC? It wasn’t a million was it? I hope they go beyond whatever that march had.

reshas1 on September 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

BTW, why isn’t HA running a separate thread for this event rather than dragging out the God debate?

Fletch54 on September 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Wonder if we all email Ed and Allah they would listen/read?

This is only rally thread–and that sucks, sorry to hijack it.

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

BTW, why isn’t HA running a separate thread for this event rather than dragging out the God debate?

Fletch54 on September 12, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Dittos.

Let’s party here at HA like it’s 1776.

petefrt on September 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 11:52 AM

That last picture was awe worthy.

gophergirl on September 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Really pisses me off that CSPAN is running Senate repeats from Thursday and aren’t covering this.

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Exactly right. There is no such thing as Broadcast Jornalism anymore, except on Fox News and Conservatrive Websites. Just like Van Jones and the ACORN stories, the State-run Media ignores this at their own peril.

kingsjester on September 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM

reshas1 on September 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

DC Park Police estimate = 400k.
They got sued, IIRC, for the estimate.

At best, under 1 million.

massrighty on September 12, 2009 at 11:58 AM

Really pisses me off that CSPAN is running Senate repeats from Thursday and aren’t covering this.

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 11:56 AM

Me too. Have to agree with JD:

…the biggest, most important political event since the election. Anyone who doesn’t cover it reveals themselves as the enemy.

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:55 AM

petefrt on September 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

cjn315: RT @smbnova: RT @midlifechick: Talked to many police officers. Thanked them. Such an orderly crowd. Proud to be Americans. #912DC
half a minute ago from TweetDeck
———————————————————–
ang76h: RT @LizBlaine: @roosterpisces: Shouldn’t this be called the Million Patriot March? #DC912 #teaparty #iamthemob #majority #tcot #ocra
————————————————————
Not_Evil: LOL! RT @FedUpUSA: RT @cjn315: Hey #912DC – anyone seen Nancy Pelosi circling the Capitol on he broom? #iamthemob #tcot #tlot
———————————————————–
CNN saying had to start early because there were so many people!! The MSM doesn’t KNOW what to say ! #DC912 #teaparty #tcot #tlot #ocra

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 12:00 PM

petefrt on September 12, 2009 at 11:59 AM

I’m wrong – looks like CSPAN will pick up coverage at around 1pm – that’s what I’m hearing.

HondaV65 on September 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM

FOX HAS IT ON NOW!

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM

Brian Wilson is hosting this hour. Beck then takes over for the next 3 hours!

kingsjester on September 12, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Open thread up now on HA!

massrighty on September 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

FROM THE #TEAPARTY: Crowds HUGE, happy, packed in tight, a tiny few anti-protestors yelling. On the move to the Captl #912 @julielaughridge
————————————————————kcole: OK, just told over the loudspeakers that despite what CNN is reporting (thousands) the DC police report 1.2MILLION people at #teaparty #tcot
———————————————————–
Johnny_Doggs: Wow the Libs r really mad. They can’t gather 1.5 mil ppl. So they just sit, cry and snipe on twitter. Ha! Ha! #dc912 #teaparty #tcot #mob
————————————————————
joegallant: RT @LibertyPatriot: Reports put crowd for #912dc bigger than inauguration crowd — CONGRATULATIONS Patriots! #glenbeck, #liberty, #teaparty
1 minute ago from TweetDeck

lovingmyUSA on September 12, 2009 at 12:05 PM

Just saw the CNN clip, crowd chanting in the background, TELL THE TRUTH, TELL THE TRUTH.. GOTTA LOVE IT

reshas1 on September 12, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Open thread up now on HA!

massrighty on September 12, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Don’t see it!

silvernana on September 12, 2009 at 12:27 PM

Which God?

Holger on September 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM

As a Christian, I don’t think it should be in there; however, I do think a core principle should be to protect the rights of citizens to worship or not worship as they please so long as their practices harm no one.

Esthier on September 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM

. . . so long as their practices harm no one.

That leaves out Islam.

Pelayo on September 12, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Which God?

Holger on September 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM

The Living God.

daesleeper on September 12, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Obama’s message is nothing new, certainly not groundroots.

It is going to be labeled “spin.”

AnninCA on September 12, 2009 at 4:26 PM

Give or take a few hundred thousand!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPud1TeubM

diogenes on September 12, 2009 at 5:01 PM

WHITE HOUSE CLAIMS NO KNOWLEDGE!!!

Ain’t life grand!

JiangxiDad on September 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM

lmao
Remember Baghdad Bob, yelling into cameras that there are no Americans in Baghdad…as an American Tank rolls by….

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on September 12, 2009 at 5:01 PM

No one is forcing you to join the 9/12 project as an atheist, just as no one is forcing you to stay in the USA when all of these reference God, Religion or Our Creator.
•The Mayflower Compact
•Articles of Confederation
•Founding Father Quotes
•Northwest Ordinance
•Preambles of the 50 States
•Declaration of Independence
•Prayer at the beginning of each session of Congress
•Pledge of Allegiance
•All US Currency

TheRightWingM on September 12, 2009 at 6:16 PM

I’m going to make you vote on this; I want to know how many think it’s so important that it should be some guiding light for grassroots conservatism, which is what the Project amounts to in practice.

It’s Beck’s project. He’s done the work. If you don’t like his platform, don’t join or form your own project.

Exit quotation from peeved liberal James Poniewozik: “You want to bring back the feeling of national unity and civility, Glenn Beck? You could start by not using this tragedy as your personal political platform.”

Yes, do what the donks do: Redefine, rename, and whitewash what occurred on 9/11/2001 for their own personal political platform. Just to to hell, Poniewozik! And take all the donks, lefties, and Vichy Right with you.

Blake on September 12, 2009 at 7:05 PM

Could they be dumb enough to try to forcefully disperse the crowd?

massrighty on September 12, 2009 at 11:48 AM

Oh, please, please let them try that.

That would be a turning point in the effort to restore liberty to America. It would make absolutely clear just how Fascist this administration really is. Unfortunately, I think Obama is a little too cagey to do that.

JDPerren on September 12, 2009 at 7:09 PM

“George Washington wrote in his Farewell Address of 1796, “Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation deserts the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in the Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the opposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

Our Founders affirmed that the natural rights enumerated in our Declaration of Independence and, by extension, as codified in its subordinate guidance, our Constitution, are those endowed by our Creator.”

Corinthian on September 12, 2009 at 10:32 PM

Allapundit–on the belief in God thing as a core principle-its necesssary. He is supreme authority and we who are saved by his race know that and don’t have a problem with that. Its all the ACLU/pc bullcrap that tries to destroy that.

So if you don’t want to believe–hey–your option. Son’t call me when the flames of hell are burning your ass at a distance and your just getting closer. It will be too late.

The greatest relationship that any human can have is with the God of all the universe through–and only through–Jesus Christ his son.

And don’t bother pulling the “exclusive or inclusive” card at the Beama Seat. That ain’t gonna work either.

auspatriotman on September 13, 2009 at 1:27 AM

Streaming in like cockroaches…

simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

My kids aren’t cockroaches you prick.

My wife isn’t a cockroach you prick.

My in-laws, sister, brother-in law and their child aren’t cockroaches you prick.

F*CK YOU.

joshlbetts on September 13, 2009 at 4:20 AM

Streaming in like cockroaches…

simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

My children, wife, in-laws, sister, brother-in-law, and their child aren’t cockroaches, you prick.

F*CK YOU.

joshlbetts on September 13, 2009 at 4:23 AM

Streaming in like cockroaches…

simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

My children, wife, in-laws, sister, brother-in-law, and their child aren’t cockroaches.

F*CK YOU.

joshlbetts on September 13, 2009 at 4:24 AM

simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Without fail, you live up to your moniker.

DrMagnolias on September 13, 2009 at 6:34 AM

simplesimon on September 12, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Wow. That’s seriously f’ed up right there.

B Man on September 13, 2009 at 7:43 AM

Making a belief in god a criteria for expressing your view or making it a requirement to express your views is not proper.

When asking those in the movement if they have a belief in God or a higher being you will find the number to be far greater than imagined.

On the other hand if asked whether God is a requirement for membership in the ‘Black Panthers’ I am sure you’ll be stoned by those members that are stoned trying to find themselves as their higher being.

MSGTAS on September 13, 2009 at 10:04 AM

While we’re on the subject, anyone want to try explaining to me why this is a “core principle” of what amounts in practice to a giant tea party?
I believe in God and He is the center of my life.

AP, I know you are not really wanting to hear the answer to this question, but you asked, so I’ll give it to you.

It is important to have this as one of the core principles, because it IS one of the core principles. Despite the fact that you are free to not believe in God, this principle is THE core of everything in the system of Government that is and was America.

Even if you are not willing to accept God in your life, the founders founded the Constitution, and the nation, on the concept that some things just are. As they put it, “We hold these truths to be self evident…” , and then went on to ascribe the concept of unalienable rights as those endowed to us by our Creator. Now, AP, you may not believe that concept, but your rejection does not make it less true that it was the basis for the constitution that followed. It is also true that your rejection of the concept placed you in the company of the statists who, among other things, tell us that the Constitution is a living document that is subject to change with politics winds. If you do not want to accept that your rights are from God, then you must accept that they are from some other source. Whatever that source might be, it would not be the one outlined i the Constitution.

To now look at our rights through the lens of the Atheist, the Statist, or both, would require a gross reconsideration of determined law. The process of such reconsideration would be political in nature, and in my opinion would not likely today be conducive to the survival of the rights we are discussing. If rights come from law alone the framers and their Constitution were wrong. If they were wrong about that then the Statist will argue that they were wrong about other things too.

That, AP is why this is one of the core principles.

MikeA on September 13, 2009 at 10:55 AM

AP, you put Glenn Beck on a level with God? I suspect you’re attempting to ridicule Beck, but that’s not how it comes out.

applebutter on September 13, 2009 at 1:37 PM

GLEN BECK!… what was the question?

One Angry Christian on September 13, 2009 at 8:01 PM

Reverence for God is to get us American’s back to the founding fathers intent, part of that whole “in God we trust” thing. Or part of the Constitution which “free exercise therof” of your religion is allowed and not criminalized by the ACLU or CrockObama or any loon in San Francisco’s 9th circus court.

dthorny on September 13, 2009 at 8:20 PM

Is this about smaller government or self-help?

Wow, an admission that you need help is the first step to accepting Christ.

dthorny on September 13, 2009 at 8:23 PM

The founding fathers believed that the importance played by religion was a moral group of citizens and that it is a requirement for our “open” society.

Figures AP would pose this question.

All day Saturday, I didn’t see any discussion of religion but I did see plenty of signs expressing a religious value. Discussions seemed to revolve around basic conservative principles and sticking to the constitution. I think believing in God is nonsense for a requirement but abiding by “God’s law” is a good requirement. Six of the ten commandments are not about religion but about moral behavior. The seven deadly sins and opposing virtues are moral values. It keeps the divisiveness of one’s personal religious beliefs out but keeps the overwhelming importance of moral values in.

Nice try at finding a wedge.

CC

CapedConservative on September 13, 2009 at 9:11 PM

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