CBS poll: Support for ObamaCare up 12 points since last week
posted at 10:48 am on September 11, 2009 by Allahpundit
Enjoy it while it lasts, champ, because no one — including liberal Democrats — thinks it will. Last week it was 40/47, today it’s 52/38 with 85 percent of Dems approving of how he’s handled health care. And yet, even in an otherwise upbeat poll, only 22 percent think O-Care will end up helping them. 27 percent think it’ll do more harm than good and 42 percent think it’ll have no effect. Such is the state of excitement about solving the great “crisis” of our time.
CBS sampled 648 adults randomly. What do you get when you sample likely voters, as Rasmussen does? Something … different:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national tracking survey shows that 46% favor the plan and 51% are opposed. The survey was conducted on Wednesday and Thursday nights. The previous two-day sample, conducted Tuesday and Wednesday nights, found that 44% favored the plan while 53% were opposed…
Eighty percent (80%) of Democrats now support the health care plan, up from 72% in the previous survey results. Support among Republicans declined two points while support among those not affiliated with either major party rose by a single percentage point…
The speech also increased enthusiasm for the plan. Thirty percent (30%) now Strongly Favor the legislation and 39% are Strongly Opposed. In the previous survey, 27% Strongly Favored the plan and 41% Strongly Opposed. In August, those numbers were 23% and 43% respectively.
He got a small bounce in the number of people who “strongly approve” of him too, but he’s still below 50 percent overall. So there you go. Figure on him picking up another two or three points over the weekend as the media hype settles, which means at a fleeting moment when support for ObamaCare is at its strongest among people who’ll decide the midterms next year — i.e. likely voters — The One’s struggling just to pull a bare majority. Soon liberals and moderates will start freaking out anew over the public option and then the erosion will begin again. The only thing he can do now to keep Democrats from tearing each other’s throats out is to give them some Republican throats to tear at instead, which, as Karl noted yesterday, is why his speech was so partisan and why the media will continue to wet itself over Joe Wilson for as long as it can. The longer this Two Minutes Hate goes on, the more unified Democrats will stay. Hooray for “angry mobs” and their congressional ringleaders!
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No Whole Foods around here! Just Brookshire’s, Wal-Mart, Sam’s, and one Albertson’s about 20 minutes from here. I know you’re joking, but yeah. I’d have to drive two hours to find a Whole Foods. :)
NathanG on September 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Hence, the HURRY HURRY HURRY nature of this boondoggle.
It’s no secret that he’s trying to cram this down everybody’s throat because the more you look at his like, brilliant, awesome, totally deficit-neutral-dood plan, the more they see what a gigantic piece of horsesh*t it is.
It’s a powergrab from Washington, and nothing more.
We were told if this didn’t pass by August that calamity would ensue. Well, it didn’t. We’re not told by the fearmonger-in-cheif that “more people will die” if we don’t just shut up and approve of the government takeover of 1/6 of the US economy. Just like if we didn’t shut up and support the stimulus that’s giving 8 billion dollars to ACORN, unemployment wouldn’t go above 8%. Here we are at 9.7% after his “brilliant plan,” and rising.
Sorry, chump, but Americans aren’t as stupid as you think they are. Hence, the resistance your Dear Leader has experienced. He’s used to crowds of fainting lemurs that will follow him anywhere, and having 80% of the voting block already in his pocket like it was in Chicago.
He’s finding out that hard way that America ain’t Chicago.
The polls will go back down once we resume focus on the particulars of his “plan” (that he hasn’t offered yet even though he said he would Wed. night), and when people are reminded of the costs to their own wallets, their childrens’ wallets and to individual freedom in this country. And we will. Deal.
Good Lt on September 11, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Ogabe is doing it AGAIN here today in Minnesota, though one can only wonder why he would feel the need to convince voters from a high-tax blue state.
Bishop on September 11, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Let’s be clear about one thing. Obama is interested health care reform to establish a single payor system and that only. whatever spin, compromise etc. it is all geared towards his ultimate goal of single payor. The bill and everything about it must be stopped in it’s tracks.
rjoco1 on September 11, 2009 at 11:37 AM
I disagree that Joe Wilson hurt the Republicans cause. I think he called attention to the fact Obama was lying.Sort of like the one person who had the guts to tell the emperor he had no clothes.
sandee on September 11, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Not “great” like “I have a dream” immortal great, but like someone comes off the podium and you say “great job.”
It was personal, passionate, articulate, punched all the right buttons and touched all the right bases, it unified his base, spoke sensibly to the middle and was delivered as well as I’ve seen Obama speak.
And it was, apparently, effective.
You may not have liked it, but saying it was a bad speech is simply sour grapes,
Bleeds Blue on September 11, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Not reading too much into it, but Obama did what he had to do and he — at least briefly — changed the momentum.
Bleeds Blue on September 11, 2009 at 11:27 AM
If The One is forced to get into a side issue and give people like Joe Wilson street cred, he doesn’t really have momentum. And he might want to stop elevating Sarah Palin to his level.
BradSchwartze on September 11, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Answer: Looking to recapture the magic from a stacked audience.
ROCnPhilly on September 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM
These blue ,purple,pink dogs,I don’t care what the heck color they are,but they better think long and hard.We have doctors here close to us who are giving up their practice if this passes and I am sure it’s the same all over.
ohiobabe on September 11, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Maybe Obama’s sucker punches have something to do with that.
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 11:42 AM
I love it!
Gang-of-One on September 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Just wondered if anyone else has the same thoughts I’ve had recently… Obama is in a huge hurry to pass his ObamaCare but it won’t take effect until 2013! AFTER the next presidential election. Meanwhile, I’m sure he will start collecting taxes during this time to pay for his ObamaCare. So…if he’s collecting taxes for the next 3 years but not providing a service with the money the effect will be that it will APPEAR that he has cut the deficit during his first term. Just like he “promised”! All smoke and mirrors!
qballacus on September 11, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Really? Like “pulling the plug on grandma?”
Bleeds Blue on September 11, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Um..no. Sorry BB but the filthy liar did not change the momentum, that pathetic rant against the GOP was not a gamechanger as far as healthcare reform goes, the public is not clamoring for the Congress to seize the healthcare industry and deliver it to the filthy liar and his corrupt party. That’s all wishful thinking on the part of small-minded idiots who are too easily distracted whenever shiny objects appear.
highhopes on September 11, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Obama said anything, did anything to get elected. Now he will say and do whatever it takes to get Obamacare passed.
Lies.
dingbat on September 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Do you have your kool-aid delivered daily in 50 gallon drums?
Personal …. attacked Palin, talk radio, Fox News
Passionate ….. from the heart, that always happens when you read from a teleprompter.
Articulate ….. no ebonics this time.
fogw on September 11, 2009 at 11:50 AM
You missed the most important point- It was completely devoid of the truth. You may appreciate the delivery but the fact of the matter is that it can’t be a good speech when not one word out of the bastard’s mouth was the truth.
highhopes on September 11, 2009 at 11:51 AM
CORRECT. It’s all part of the stage craft. Axelrod needs to portray him as being “liked and supported and popular”. He knows the media will say that he is, and for most imbeciles, perception is reality. Axelrod HAS to do it, they’re desperate, but what they don’t realize is that Obama’s lies have crippled his credibility. He’s toast.
marklmail on September 11, 2009 at 11:51 AM
You and me both. I’ve always thought of them as poster children for Sheeple.
Gang-of-One on September 11, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Obama lied, Grandma died.
highhopes on September 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM
I never claimed Republicans were bipartisan on this issue. You were the one saying Obama was and is.
And to complain about a scare tactic like that when Obama says this:
Seriously, I’m not as high as you are. Either share or sober up.
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM
Once more CBS is unable to find any Republicans to poll.
drjohn on September 11, 2009 at 11:53 AM
CBS: keep oversampling the news room… It will make the fall that much harder…
Khun Joe on September 11, 2009 at 11:54 AM
It is ALWAYS about feelings with the left. Logic, common sense, and values are outdated ideals in the context of feel good legislation. Every society that goes down the road to socialism, whether it be NAZI Germany, communist Russia, or the Roman empire, eventually ends up destroying itself from within. It’s up to me, and you, to stop Obama and his Marxist followers from changing the fundamental values that brought us to be the greatest nation on the face of the earth.
csdeven on September 11, 2009 at 11:54 AM
If the American people can be swayed that quickly on any subject… We are in worse shape than I thought.
shar61 on September 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM
So Obama claims that 87% of Alabama is served by one health isurance company and needs more competition. I would venture to guess that the public school system serves more than 87% of the kids in that state, and in all states. Don’t they need more competition?
WashJeff on September 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM
The fault lies with the repubs who have not come up with a plan of their own. they need ONE plan, ala Newt Gingrich, and shout it from the roof tops. The longer the repubs wait to have a plan of their own, the more BO’s plan will get more support because repubs are seen as the party of no and no plan of their own. And don’t tell me they have several, blah blah blah, no, they need one and push it, this is wimpiness to the extreme. I thought in August repubs will come up with a plan and change the talking from is BO’s plan OK to which one is better and people will side with the repubs. But no, the GOP is not taking advantage of this amazing opportunity. For all those expecting huge gains in 2010, with a bunch of wimps and pathetic cowards like the GOP, don’t hold your breath.
immigrantchick on September 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Ummmm…. how could his numbers have gone up so fast…. when not that many people WATCHED his speeches?
Or, is the story that he “convinced” the majority of those who did watch?
Because statisticly, thats the only way there could be that big of a swing in the numbers.
Romeo13 on September 11, 2009 at 11:59 AM
12 points in one week? Yeah okay…they must have had the telephone operators dial all the inner city zip codes. Random my pessimistic arse.
RepubChica on September 11, 2009 at 11:59 AM
Why not just lose the fool again?
Gang-of-One on September 11, 2009 at 12:02 PM
They are without a doubt a bunch of lazy, craven, coddled, indulgent, content-with-the-status-quo slugs who like wearing the skirts the Liberals designed for them to play their little bitches.
RepubChica on September 11, 2009 at 12:04 PM
They are without a doubt a bunch of lazy, craven, coddled, indulgent, content-with-the-status-quo slugs who like wearing the skirts the Liberals designed for them to play their little b*tches.
RepubChica on September 11, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Working on it. At this point, I couldn’t be in the same room with this pinhead.
tru2tx on September 11, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Democrats oversampled by 12%? :)
Bob's Kid on September 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM
People, the general public, want reform, so they liked what he said…
But they won’t like that actual bill.
Everyone wants a unicorn in their front yard…I would love free health care, everyone to be taken care of…
But, when you see what you have to sacrifice, what is taken forcibly from you, and even worse, who is exempt (like unions, attorneys, drug companies, etc.) then their will be a different reaction.
Everyone loves a parade…except the guys who have to clean up after the parade.
Obama is a parade, balloons, clowns, patriotic speeches, but we have to clean up after him…
right2bright on September 11, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Lying liars.
But don’t any of you out there dare to think for yourselves. Oh no, you have to have a poll number to know whether you are thinking the right thoughts.
Utter nonsense.
shaken on September 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Well sure, and all because of hearing the same speech for the 157th time and some guy who yelled “liar”.
People who were terrified of OgabeCare, massive deficit spending, out of control government and the equivalent of the DMV making decisions about their medical needs suddenly abandoned all of that and jumped on the wagon. Yeah, it wasn’t skewed polling, no way.
Bishop on September 11, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Bishop, got a job for you. You need to attend Obama’s stump speech and shout “You lie!” at the appropriate moment.
I know it’s a lot to ask, but oh, how sweet…
ROCnPhilly on September 11, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Can’t take credit for that one, but I’ve had a few catch on…
the thing is it is a drug.
sven10077 on September 11, 2009 at 12:14 PM
RepubChicka, you put it better than I could have. I am glad I am not alone in my total frustration at these morons. How could they squander this so badly? They all should be throw out, dems first, repubs next. We need new blood all together. We should only keep people like Eric Cantor.
immigrantchick on September 11, 2009 at 12:15 PM
BTW: I love the picture for this post. Obama is pictured as the hyena he is.
BuckeyeSam on September 11, 2009 at 12:18 PM
OT, and I know that life goes on, and it’s a busy news day… but. Seeing this day being exploited by anyone, much less Obama makes me heartsick.
Today is the day for remembering putting the uniform back on…. and why.
God Bless the USA
paragon27x on September 11, 2009 at 12:21 PM
It doesn’t matter they are going to push “RECONCILIATION” in the Senate?
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/58233-obama-sets-stage-for-using-budget-maneuver-to-pass-health-reform
MESSAGE TO GOP STAFFERS THAT READ THIS……WE’RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE IN THE GOP THAT HAS CAJONES to stand up to the Marxists in the Administration.
9/12!!!!!
PappyD61 on September 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM
This was the poll that sampled democrats over 2-1 to republicans right?
daesleeper on September 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Ther are three kinds of lies: Little White Lies, Bald Faced Lies, and Statistics. In the last 2 days, CNN and CBS have practiced the Third.
kingsjester on September 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM
And another thing…..keep your GOP politicians away from the 9/12 marches/rallies tomorrow. 90% of you are the problem!!!
PappyD61 on September 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM
1) Yeah, four paragraphs in an 8-page (NYT transcript)speech. The truth must hurt, even a thimbleful makes you guys howl.
2)What, you expect him to deliver a 45 minute from memory? You think Reagan didn’t use one? This teleprompter stuff is idiocy.
3) Nice. Says a lot about you.
Whether you like the Obama proposal or not, those are simple facts. Rising medical costs drive the deficit, cause bankruptcies, hurt businesses. People lose coverage because they or their employer can’t afford it or because insurance companies weasel out on them. And people die as a result, 18,000 a year according to one study.
Again, you may not like his approach, but he has his facts straight here.
Whenever judging the effect of a public political appearance by the way, it’s not the number of people watching, it’s the coverage and spin that really magnify the effect — not just with Obama, but with everyone. Relatively few watched the speech, but everybody heard about it.
You think that people are as passionate and ideological about every issue as you are. In fact a huge chunk pay less attention and are working on a much more pragmatic level than you or I: “does this kinda make sense?” and “what will it do for me?”
What you saw as a massive populist uprising these summer, most people thought of as a bunch of ranters on TV, but yeah, “death panels sound bad. I’m against this.” Now they’re all “Look, the president says its good, and my friend Joe just got laid off and lost his coverage. Maybe this is good after all.”
Bleeds Blue on September 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM
12 points in one week huh? Where’ they get their phone list, CNN?
About 10% watched this farce and yet 12% changed there opinion? RIIIIIIGHT!
Now is when conservative/libertarians need to hammer on details. Quote them chapter and verse of their manifesto. More of the GOP need to pick up on Palin’s points about IMAC, about mandatory coverage, about fines, about new agencies.
Drive it home.
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 12:26 PM
You’re right, Bish. (shakes head shamefully) And the most compelling of all reasons–the passing of Ted Kennedy. I really think this got the American people into seriously thinking about how they can sacrifice for their politicians like Mary Jo Kopechne did. While many of us aren’t willing to give our lives outright like she did as Teddy swam like a squid to the surface, giving up our health, our private medical information and yes, our senile old Granny to their cause is the right thing to do.
RepubChica on September 11, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Hooray for the MSM, and their honest examination of Obamacare!
Puh-freakin-leeze.
hillbillyjim on September 11, 2009 at 12:27 PM
The strategy is clear now: concoct a bunch of polls inaccurately showing a strong support of Obamacare then ram it through without any Republican support claiming you have a mandate to do so from the American people. That’s the only strategy they have left and it’s pathetic.
karlant on September 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM
The funny thing about this poll… we’re all so used to biased coverage that pretty much everyone just assumes this poll is totally rigged. This poll doesn’t even phase me or slow me down or make me pause.
The State Controlled Media has become totally unbelievable.
Dark Eden on September 11, 2009 at 12:29 PM
If you rob peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul’s support….if he a donkey.
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 12:29 PM
No, they really aren’t, no more so than blaming Obama on pulling Grandma’s cord, but since you’re just going to recite DNC talking points, I’m not going to waste my time here.
Esthier on September 11, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Dana P. was right. The media were itching to write a comeback story, and as soon as they noticed one whiff of changed momentum they decided they’d manufacture the rest. They’re going to drag this thing across the finish line if they have to use their bare inkstained hands. The Dems were prepared for this, hence the oft-repeated “game changer” and all the other ridiculous assertions about that child’s tantrum of a speech.
The speech was meant to create a presumption of invalidity around the previous weeks’ collapsing poll numbers. “Oh, his numbers were falling? But that was Before The Speech.” Even if the numbers revert to trend in a week or two, it bought him that much relief.
DrSteve on September 11, 2009 at 12:30 PM
I think it’s more like “My friend Joe just got laid off, I thought the economy was getting better, where is all that stimulus money going, it’s definitely not helping out the people I know…this is bullshit.”
karlant on September 11, 2009 at 12:34 PM
Talking points bots are so cute!
hillbillyjim on September 11, 2009 at 12:35 PM
simple, he’s been losing his base…badly. At recent points as low as 27% strong support. He’s got to get that group together so they’ll repeat his lies with passion. More volume more mush heads agree. He’s giving his core support the nudge-nudge right now so they won’t go hyper when he tries to sound centrist later.
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM
648 Adults? They are willing to publish a poll with such a miniscule sample? Its amazing that people even take them seriously anymore.
erakis on September 11, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Wow, bad news huh race fans? You better be sure to get out for teabagger day tomorrow – the video of slovenly people with misspelled signs will be sure to turn the tide back in your favor.
Again, happy teabagging!
simplesimon on September 11, 2009 at 12:37 PM
that’s why he phrased it as 10,00 ppl/day are losing insurance….not that they are losing their jobs.
Used car salesman.
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 12:37 PM
No, they’re right. Calling facts “talking points” doesn’t make them untrue. It just highlights the delusions behind much or the Conservative opposition.
Bleeds Blue on September 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM
carp…that’s 17,000
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Yet those people are so dumb that they aren’t able to get some more information but are actually only human windsocks.
Who are these “most” you refer to?
Bishop on September 11, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Rasmussen makes since. The speech was directed to the left. Check the independents. This shift is on thin ice and the majority is very weary, until a true document comes out of committee the numbers should stay right where they are +or-5. How long will Pelosi/Reid give everyone to digest the bill? 5 days like Obama promised?
One thing is for sure, the lawyers papering this thing up will write a bill so convoluted no one will know what’s really in the bill for a few days. Can the Democrats allow, the most important piece of legislation in decades, to sit on the shelf for long? I see a cram down a coming!
Atlanta Media Guy on September 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Maybe some conservative writers (obviously not Allahpundit) could fact check Joe Wilson’s statement. Even if some disagree with the delivery (debatable), the validity is indisputable. That’s why Obama’s original figure of 47 million went down to 30 million; Obama thought it would reassure Americans they wouldn’t pay for illegal immigrants abusing the system. It actually pointed out the lie that Joe Wilson couldn’t let go unanswered. If this point is driven home, healthcare as proposed by the Democrats is dead.
I also think Glenn Beck going after ACORN is helping. We all know the reason they and other Democratic activist groups are conducting the Census now is sampling, which is unconstitutional. I wonder if these were the arrests he was talking about.
alliebobbitt on September 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM
Which makes rational people wonder why the demorats would vote against Heller, an amendment specifically targeted against one of those delusional conservative opposition points.
Bishop on September 11, 2009 at 12:42 PM
I love how CBS “forgets” to give the party breakdown on their sample population. CNN needs to take notes. And this is priceless:
So more Americans think ObamaCare will cause them direct personal harm than think it will help them personaly, and we’re supposed to believe that more people support this steaming pile than are opposed? Hey CBS – do Americans look to you like we just fell off the turnip truck? Nobody, but nobody, that I know – and that includes those on the left and right – supports things they think will harm them. We’re not stupid, so kindly stop insulting our intelligence.
Blacksmith on September 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Hey Erakis,
They polled 648 adults outside DNC-HQ and the SEIU at 5pm.
Atlanta Media Guy on September 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM
Bleeds Blue on September 11, 2009 at 11:46 AM
WTF? Are you responding to your own posts now? Two nics, maybe, and you got confused?
Fishoutofwater on September 11, 2009 at 12:43 PM
I know you crave attention cuz your daddy prolly left you to be raised by a welfare-queen mama who spanked the color off ya night an day, so I’ll give you a pat on the head–go teabag your dog if you haven’t neutered him yet.
RepubChica on September 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Just seems more… precise.
Fishoutofwater on September 11, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 12:47 PM
OK, C-BS tried their best to hide the polling samples, but I found them. As usual, they heavily oversampled Democrats. I am shocked.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_health_care_091109.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody
Page 6
Polling sample of those who watched the speech
Republicans 27%
Democrats 42%
Independents 31%
Del Dolemonte on September 11, 2009 at 12:49 PM
simplesimon on September 11, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Bishop on September 11, 2009 at 12:50 PM
Because they were all out at the Tea Party, like me.
Steve Z on September 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Seems SeeBS and CNN share the same polling theories. No wonder progressives are so dizzy…they spin all the time.
Fighton03 on September 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM
Sorry, getalife, but I just debunked this “poll” by exposing the polling sample as a fraud.
Del Dolemonte on September 11, 2009 at 12:52 PM
The real reason he is coming to MN is because of the communist party here in MN, the DFL. If anyone remembers from one of Glenn’s shows the communists wanted to unite the farmers and the laborers. The DFL party is Democratic Farmer Labor.
cjs1943 on September 11, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Longest run campaign Ever.
bridgetown on September 11, 2009 at 12:59 PM
the GOP has offered several plans.The MSM just isn’t covering them. Hannity has had a few people on who have read the bills they would submit if allowed. Ideas like tort reform, crossing state lines insurance, various health savings accounts and tax benefits. Many of the ideas won’t cost the taxpayer anything.
The liberals have blinders on and and refuse to listen to any of these ideas. It is single payer or nothing, no matter how you dress the pig up.
And no way was Obama’s speech great. Only the koolaid drinkers think that. It was an ok speech, didn’t offer anything new or really any specifics. Also fact checking showed he was basically ignorant of what actually was being presented to committees as a bill.
conservativegrandma on September 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM
Yeah, I think it’s time for a poll-breakdown “Update” by Ed.
RepubChica on September 11, 2009 at 1:02 PM
btw–where did simplesimon run off to? I was kidding about the dog, dang it. Don’t do it…I’d never wish such unspeakable abuse on an innocent creature.
RepubChica on September 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM
No, it says a lot about Obama. Who, just like Billy Jeff, can call on either his Harvard Grad dialect or his Down with the Bros dialect depending upon his audience. It’s disgraceful and dishonest, but it does demonstrate that the man-child has no absolute core values. He’s a con man, a flim flam artist, a snake oil salesman, a narcissist who probably kisses himself in the mirror every morning.
One final comment, health care is not a right. If you think it is, kindly cite chapter and verse from the Constitution where this topic is covered.
fogw on September 11, 2009 at 1:04 PM
Agree with you, except for one point. I’m going to a Tea Party tomorrow in St. Cloud, MN; couldn’t make D.C., and Michelle Bachman is going to be there. She gets it and speaks out.
cjs1943 on September 11, 2009 at 1:06 PM
simplesimon on September 11, 2009 at 12:37 PM
It’s my playmate! Hi, Skippy. You’re confused. Thousands of Patriotic Americans are gathering in Washington tomorrow to stand up for their rights and freedoms, like the Colonists did during the Boston Tea Party. It’s nothing like the game your buddies play. By the way, what’s Mom cooking for lunch today, Spaghettios? She’ll be calling you up from the basement anytime now.
kingsjester on September 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM
I’m not crazy about the Repubs either, but be fair to them, a little, they have a bill and were waving it at Pinnochio as he said they didn’t have one. It has not been widely published, but is free market and tort reform driven and makes sense thats’ why you never see it.
Just like you don’t see video of Pinnochio calling Rush, Sarah and the American citizens Liars about two minutes or less before Wilson returned the favor.
I would have thought someone on Fox at least would have shown that but for some reason its Whitewashed.
What is worse the President of the U.S. calling American citizens who disagree with him liars or a congress critter catching him lying and calling him on it. Notice the Dims quickly put in the language they had rejected for months disallowing illegal aliens free healthcare?
they did it after Wilson called Pinnochio on it and after the Dims in House and Senate had repeatedly rejected the same addition.
Pinnochios’ words “they are lying”!
dhunter on September 11, 2009 at 1:08 PM
How could we possibly know if any momentum has changed? A sample of 648 people. We don’t even know if said 648 momentum has changed. Was the same sample polled earlier and that the percentages were different? And if so, why are we to conclude that 648 is indicative of a couple hundred million? That is insane. As are any and all polls done to forecast the thoughts of over 200 million adults.
anuts on September 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM
There is the actual quote. Pinnochio calling American citizens liars by saying It is a lie and he’s right there’s a lie there HIS!
To cut cost care will be rationed and panels are advocated for just such a thing.
My mistake he did not say they are lying but,”it is a lie plain and simple”
It is not!
dhunter on September 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM
No doubt. Some potent sh!t once the the junkies get hooked. Stupid suckers should have just said NO!
Gang-of-One on September 11, 2009 at 1:16 PM
They farmed it out to ACORN.
csdeven on September 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Wow- his supporters are more supportive now? Rally around the flag, boys. At least they are getting their stalwarts back, that must have been troubling to them.
WyoMike on September 11, 2009 at 1:29 PM
He can’t make it to NYC for 9/11 services but he can make it to MN for a campaign stop. Classy as usual.
angryed on September 11, 2009 at 1:32 PM
Obama always says that Republicans and his health care reform opponents don’t have a plan. He says that we want the status quo. This is patently false. The Republicans have issued a proposed framework and they have been batting around reform proposals.
Now, it’s true that doing nothing would be better than the Democratic proposals. But Republicans think they can do even better than that, by making individual plans tax deductible (just like employer-bought plans) and by making them portable.
For fun, I’ll point out Obama is using two Alinsky rules here.
The Republicans are a minority, so they cannot push through an alternative plan. In fact, this debate is decades old. Ironically, Ted Kennedy recently died, showing how old it is. But, truly, there is nothing new under the sun.
People will die. Foots will be amputated. Tonsils will be stolen. Families will go bankrupt. The world will end. Blah blah blah.
alliebobbitt on September 11, 2009 at 1:33 PM
I feel for you. I live on the coast in California, touchy-feely brain-dead capitol of the USA. The only good thing I can say is that all the people closest to me hate Kool Aid.
Gang-of-One on September 11, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Anyone can make polls show whatever numbers they want.
TrickyDick on September 11, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Three fundamental problems I have with Obamacare that is never brought up in the mainstream media (Rudy didn’t even bring them up today on The View):
1. New workers. New workers first entering the workforce from college or the military, not having an “existing” plan they can “keep” are forced by law onto the public plan. It is against the law for their employer to put them on any of their private plans according to the current draft legislation in the House.
2. Workers changing jobs. If you change jobs, you do not have the option of selecting from your new employer’s private options. You must go on the public plan. As 50% of Americans will be working a different job within 5 years, this is guaranteed to “ensnare” 50% of the workforce in the government option.
3. No way out. If you get on the public option and find out that it does not meet your needs, there is no way out. You can not go back to your private plan once you are out of it.
The entire legislation makes the government plan like flypaper. Once you touch it, you are there for the rest of your life.
All Obama and others talk about is “if you already have a plan you like, you can keep it”. In the overall context, this is very little comfort.
crosspatch on September 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM
A “random” CBS survey? Did they survey 75% random Democrat party members and 25% random Republicans?
If so, I believe the poll results!
EconomicNeocon on September 11, 2009 at 1:59 PM
meant: this is guaranteed to “ensnare” 50% of the workforce in the government option within 5 years.
crosspatch on September 11, 2009 at 2:00 PM
LOL… naw… they called ACORN for a list of “random” phone numbers… but all they could get was the Tax Help Desk…
Romeo13 on September 11, 2009 at 2:02 PM
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