Did Obama provide a “reset” on health care with speech?

posted at 8:48 am on September 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I don’t mean to pick on my friend E.J. Dionne twice in one week, but his column provides the perfect springboard for my evaluation of Barack Obama’s speech to the joint session of Congress last night.  Earlier this week, in discussing Obama’s speech to schoolchildren, Dionne (incorrectly) accused Republicans of jumping to conclusions with no evidence whatsoever about the nationally-broadcast telecast.  Today, Dionne leads off his column with this conclusion:

After a listless summer during which his opponents dominated the health-care debate, President Obama used a dramatic appearance before Congress on Wednesday to seize control of the autumn, the season of decision for the initiative he has turned into the central test of his presidency.

Did he!  And when did Dionne write this conclusion that Obama seized control of the autumn — sometime in the dead of winter, and transported back through a time machine?  Obama’s speech ended at about 9 pm Eastern time, and since this column is in the print edition, it had to have been cut pretty close to the midnight point where the Washington Post publishes its material on line. Not much time there for Dionne to gather evidence that Obama “seize[d] control of the autumn.”

We’re going to see a lot of media gushing over this speech, as we see with all of Obama’s speeches — the most important address, expertly delivered, historical, etc etc.  Chris Matthews, last seen comparing Obama’s Reverend Wright speech (which got rendered inoperative less than four weeks later) to the Gettysburg Address, has probably already compared Obama to Cicero or Cato.  No one doubts the President’s ability to deliver a speech, but was it the right speech?

Consider that the American public has listened intently to the debate all summer long, and has reacted to the proposals from Obama and the Democrats in Congress with increasing disgust and anger.  Obama himself had already made a prime-time appearance six weeks ago with the White House press corps making his argument for ObamaCare in detail — dull, repetitive detail, as many noted at the time.  Obama also made a number of town-hall appearances in which he tried to sell his plan by looking reasonable and bipartisan — and wound up losing 19 points on his approval ratings on health care in the six weeks of Congressional recess.

Obama needed a new argument.  Instead of changing out his old slogans, Obama changed out his reasonableness and his veneer of bipartisanship for an ugly, partisan tone, accusing his opponents of lying and demanding an end to “bickering,” which Americans used to call “debate” and “dissent”.  He again accused his opposition of not offering any ideas, when Congressional Republicans have a comprehensive reform bill in committee and had copies of it in the chamber when Obama gave his speech.

If Obama just intended to fire up his left wing, then this speech was a success.  If he intended on selling ObamaCare to the majority of Americans who oppose it, Obama’s speech was an unmitigated disaster.  He offered no new arguments, and explicitly derided people who didn’t buy them the first fifteen times he’s offered the old ones.  He flat-out lied about illegal immigrants (although Rep. Joe Wilson was wrong to interrupt, which Wilson himself quickly admitted), as the Congressional Research Service concluded.

Finally, he wound up the speech by at first saying that no one wants big government, and then arguing for it in an odd tribute to Ted Kennedy.  The point, he says, is not the size of government, but the purity of heart when building it, or something:

For some of Ted Kennedy’s critics, his brand of liberalism represented an affront to American liberty.  In their mind, his passion for universal health care was nothing more than a passion for big government.

But those of us who knew Teddy and worked with him here – people of both parties – know that what drove him was something more. His friend, Orrin Hatch, knows that. They worked together to provide children with health insurance. His friend John McCain knows that. hey worked together on a Patient’s Bill of Rights. His friend Chuck Grassley knows that. They worked together to provide healthcare to children with disabilities.

On issues like these, Ted Kennedy’s passion was born not of some rigid ideology, but of his own experience. It was the experience of having two children stricken with cancer. He never forgot the sheer terror and helplessness that any parent feels when a child is badly sick; and he was able to imagine what it must be like for those without insurance; what it would be like to have to say to a wife or a child or an aging parent – there is something that could make you better, but I just can’t afford it.

That large-heartedness – that concern and regard for the plight of others – is not a partisan feeling. It is not a Republican or a Democratic feeling. It, too, is part of the American character. Our ability to stand in other people’s shoes. A recognition that we are all in this together; that when fortune turns against one of us, others are there to lend a helping hand.

The problem with big government isn’t that the initial intentions are bad or good, but that they’re irrelevant once government has power.  The quality of the American character isn’t measured in the size of the government, but in the power of our voluntary kindness.  It’s measured in places like St. Jude’s Hospital for children, which treats exactly the kind of children Obama mentions without a government program in place.

When government controls health-care choices, the programs won’t be run by kind-hearted saints but the kind of bureaucrats one meets at the DMV and the post office.  And, of course, the IRS, which will be tasked with enforcement of the individual mandates that Obama seems to think are also part of the American character.

And while we know that Kennedy was an advocate for single-payer health care his entire life, the tribute to him seemed a little overdone, and predictably so.  Did Ted Kennedy trust his last couple of years to Medicare, or did he use his own money to find the best doctors and treatments he could get?  And while liberals love to lionize Kennedy, is the White House so tone-deaf as to miss the fact that Kennedy was not a popular figure outside of Massachusetts?

It did provide a fitting conclusion to an ugly, partisan, and completely counter-productive speech.  Instead of offering something new, Obama dared those disaffected by ObamaCare to stop it.  His only hope will be that people quickly forget it.  Far from a reset, the speech sets the stage for even further disenchantment with this administration.

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Akzed on September 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Ya think, DiNozzo? Every speech Obama makes gives them all a tingle up their leg. It makes most Americans yell, “You Lie!”

kingsjester on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

What does it say about the journalistic integrity of your friend Mr. Dionne that he pre-writes glowing reviews of Presidential propaganda events. Pretty much what objective readers of the Washington Post have long known. Mr. Dionne is a partisan hack.

There was nothing new in last night’s speech. Nothing to sway the public into thinking that state seizure of healthcare makes sense and, yet again, partisan attacks on those who dare express dissent with the filthy liar. Joe
Wilson was only being honest. Rude, but honest.

highhopes on September 10, 2009 at 9:08 AM

E.J. got an advance copy of the speech, like almost every journalist in Washington. He was able to get his initial thoughts and facts down and checked and sit back to watch the speech and develop his impressions — which was, apparently, positive. Any journalist and most bloggers can churn out a column based on advance information and a first impression in about 45 minutes. Heck — Karl Rove had a detailed critique for Fox within about 15.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Unlike the Dems, I can count. Maybe they should nut up and pass this thing. See how well that turns out.

mjk on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

The problem with big government isn’t that the initial intentions are bad or good, but that they’re irrelevant once government has power.

If any single sentence describes why government controlled health care is a bad idea, this is it.

This sentence made my list of quotes – Ed Morrissey is now right up there with General John Stark.

Howard on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Every one is getting wise to the fact that he lies!

bluegrass on September 10, 2009 at 8:54 AM

My friend, you should apologize.

/McCain

SouthernGent on September 10, 2009 at 9:22 AM

the programs won’t be run by kind-hearted saints but the kind of bureaucrats one meets at the DMV and the post office.

Yeah, the same heartless postal workers that collect millions of pounds of food every year and donate it to local food banks. The same lousy bureaucrats that collect toys for underpriveledged children in cooperation with the US Marines each Christmas. You, Ed, are no different than the clowns at dKos or HuffPo with your continued slander of the thousands of former military personel that work for the US Postal Service.

Keep up the good work.

postaldog on September 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM

I for one respect the postal workers and their ability to turn the word postal into a verb.

Jeff from WI on September 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Ed,

I hope you’re correct. Last night before going to bed I saw that ABC Nightline’s Robin Roberts had an “exclusive” interview with Obama, touring the Mayo Clinic where “his imminence” believes they were “doing things right.” How can they say that any interview with our media-whore of a president is somehow exclusive.

Even if we were able to vote all of both houses of congress out of office like 57% of the American people want to do, unfortunately we can’t vote the state-run media out.

kscheuller on September 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Or adverb

Jeff from WI on September 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM

I for one respect the postal workers and their ability to turn the word postal into a verb.
Jeff from WI on September 10, 2009 at 9:23 AM

There goes the monitor again. Where did I put the windex?

kingsjester on September 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM

. No one doubts the President’s ability to deliver a speech, but was it the right speech?

Obama can read a teleprompter . . . a skill that can be mastered with relative ease by anyone of moderate intellect and reasonable articulation. As for the speech; there was nothing new and it was without detail. At best the man is a somewhat effective actor.

rplat on September 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Howard on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

I agree, the perfect example of “in a nutshell.”

scalleywag on September 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Don’t know what all you bickersons are talking about. After such a damn fine speech how could anyone NOT be turned around on this issue? I gotta admit when the President laid it on thick about ol’ lion hearted Ted Kennedy the scales fell from my eyes and my mind was made right. Man, what an inspiring leader. I could care less what it costs or how many of my fellow citizens get treated like numbers in a vast new government octopus and rationed out of existence. We need it now, no matter what “it” is!

miles on September 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Just the sound of The One’s voice makes me so angry now that I couldn’t bear to listen to the speech going between jobs in my car last night. I scanned its text this morning, though, and it leaves me with an SOS impression. SOS has multiple meanings here:
1) As for the content of the speech, it’s an acronym: Same Old $#!+.
2) As for our budgetary process, well, this country’s freedom is the Titanic, and that speech was an iceberg dead-ahead.

flutejpl on September 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM

The problem with big government isn’t that the initial intentions are bad or good, but that they’re irrelevant once government has power.

If any single sentence describes why government controlled health care is a bad idea, this is it.

This sentence made my list of quotes – Ed Morrissey is now right up there with General John Stark.

Howard on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Yep, that was a good one, by my favorite is the next line:

The quality of the American character isn’t measured in the size of the government, but in the power of our voluntary kindness.

Ed Morrissey, always informative, but today particularly beautifully written.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Funny how things change: not that long ago, it was cool if a guy named Joe Wilson called the president a liar.

Mr. D on September 10, 2009 at 9:26 AM

-8 on Rasmussen today. It better be at -20 after that speech.

Hang in there Joe Wilson

gophergirl on September 10, 2009 at 9:26 AM

How about Hot Air start keeping a running count of exactly how many speeches the President has given so far and how much it has cost taxpayers with his flying around the country to give it.

Also my guess is President Obama has 3 or 4 times the days away from the White House then President Bush did at this point and maybe we can keep a running total on that also.

JeffinSac on September 10, 2009 at 9:27 AM

And he’s been using that black preacher tone of voice, I guess to give himself some gravitas? I find it affected and distracting.

MADgirl91 on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Using black preacher voice? But he promised us that he wasn’t listening for those 20 years that he attended, how could be possibly be using a black preacher voice?!?! Evil-mongering racist!

NickelAndDime on September 10, 2009 at 9:27 AM

I can’t wait to hear Gibbs’ answer to the question about the mysterious disappearance of 15 – 17 million people from the ranks of the uninsured…

D2Boston on September 10, 2009 at 9:27 AM

You guys are meanies!!!!

blatantblue on September 10, 2009 at 9:27 AM

kscheuller on September 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Yes, we can. All we have to do is stop watching their news broadcasts, and, for better measure, their other crappy shows, too. If enough people do that, advertisers will demand lower prices for lower market shares being reached, and their balance sheets will go into crisis… unless Obama bails them out too, of course. There’s always that chance.

flutejpl on September 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

I want someone with a little pull to rip the ever-lovin’ he1l out of Ogabe for flat out lying about the illegals being covered in HR3200.

They are covered, there is no method to ascertain their citizenship, and anyone who waltzes over the border is going to get all the care they want.

Bishop on September 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

If Obama just intended to fire up his left wing, then this speech was a success. If he intended on selling ObamaCare to the majority of Americans who oppose it, Obama’s speech was an unmitigated disaster. He offered no new arguments, and explicitly derided people who didn’t buy them the first fifteen times he’s offered the old ones. He flat-out lied about illegal immigrants (although Rep. Joe Wilson was wrong to interrupt, which Wilson himself quickly admitted), as the Congressional Research Service concluded.

I think this is true. I agree he offered nothing new and, in fact, took on a more menacing, growling affect toward his opponents. His nearly-hour long screed was one long lie mingled with accusation and a sprinkling of whine. I realize I am 100% biased, but, I find it hard to believe that he swayed anyone with this, but neither do I think this was his point.

He was pulling out the muscle. It astonishes me the level of resolve and animus he displays toward domestic critics and so little toward, say, Iran or southern dictators.

One thing, though: (and I am not playing semantics, I truly want to know) why, exactly, was it “wrong” to call Obama out? Are there laws in the books that say a representative is not to speak when the president addresses the House? I am struggling to find out what has prevented us from doing this often if not for basic respect. I am no relativist and agree with cultural standards of civility, but, I also am unclear what separates Wilson’s taunt from the other raucous shouts, boos, cheers and protest.

Diane on September 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

The problem with big government isn’t that the initial intentions are bad or good, but that they’re irrelevant once government has power.

Ed, you’re on fire. Simple, eloquent, timeless.

NickelAndDime on September 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Why must we all agree that Obama is a great speaker?

Renae on September 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

For the same reason that Ed yesterday insisted that the Obama daughters were intelligent, even though he does not know them personally.

Every criticism of a black liberal must be prefaced with a reference to that individual’s intelligence or the criticism is racist, don’t you see?

BigD on September 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

This and Crap’N’Trade are our St. Crispin’s Day Speech time for Agincourt frankly….if these two issues are not worth us standing shoulder to shoulder on then none are and we need to make Republican as topical a name for a party as “Whig”….

http://www.chronique.com/Library/Knights/crispen.htm

sven10077 on September 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM

RAS

Polling conducted over the past two nights shows that 44% of voters currently favor the health care reform [LINK] proposed by the President and Congressional Democrats. Fifty-three percent (53%) are opposed.

….

This is in line with the AP poll yesterday.

artist on September 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Clyde5445 on September 10, 2009 at 9:20 AM

That is why she scares the crap out of the libs, dems and the establishment. She inherently knows how to connect and strike a chord in everyone.

belad on September 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM

Mr. D on September 10, 2009 at 9:26 AM

+1

flutejpl on September 10, 2009 at 9:30 AM

To all you trolls out there:

According to where we holding now, after last night’s speech, all Obama has to do is:

keep everything the same for those who have health insurance through their jobs, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA; mandate coverage of pre-existing conditions; ban caps on coverage; mandate coverage of routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies; offer health insurance to 30 million uninsured; provide tax credits for small businesses; painlessly mandate coverage for the young healthy uninsured; provide hardship waivers; provide choice and competition; keep insurance companies honest; avoid taxpayer subsidies for public option plans; keep out illegal immigrants; not pay for abortions; and not deny care to the elderly because of cost-benefit analyses, all while not adding one dime to our deficits – either now or in the future. That’s all. Oh, and I’ve got a bridge for sale on Ebay. Want to place a bid?

Hat tip to Jim Geraghty for the list.

smellthecoffee on September 10, 2009 at 9:31 AM

McCain must go.

mobydutch on September 10, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Obama’s speech was an all out attack on Sarah Palin, his worst nightmare. He talks about the “scare” tactics, uses John McCain (who liked a kid in a candy store when Obama gave him a shout out), and talks about his general election “challenger.”
Obama’s speech had nothing much to do with health care and more to do with me, me, me campaign mode rhetoric. This was a vile and disgusting speech.

While the republican response had a dull and forgettable congressman spewing bipartisanship, we had a great conservative response by Sarah Palin and Joe Wilson.

cubachi on September 10, 2009 at 9:31 AM

McCain

SouthernGent
- – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - -

My last respectful act for you sir was my voting for you in 2008. No more!

We’re finished

bluegrass on September 10, 2009 at 9:31 AM

The quality of the American character isn’t measured in the size of the government, but in the power of our voluntary kindness.

“Of the people, for the people, by the people.” Yes, you can and should measure the character of this country by its government..

Because the government does it does not mean it’s bad. And the fact is, government does need to act to assure that all Americans can afford to receive at least basic, life-saving health care. Obama’s proposals are not radical. They will not expand the government any more than anything George W. Bush did. The proposals are not communist nor will they lead to fascism or death panels or the death of the insurance industry.

But they will lead to better health coverage for Americans.

Tom_Shipley on September 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

NickelAndDime on September 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

If this were my site I’d be tempted to make that a permanent part of my home page. It’s like something our forefathers might have said.

scalleywag on September 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

but, I also am unclear what separates Wilson’s taunt from the other raucous shouts, boos, cheers and protest.
Diane on September 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

The capital letter after the name of the POTUS.

Bishop on September 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

CarolynM on September 10, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Ted will be spinning in his grave! Perhaps we should have wrapped him in coil and buried him in a magnetic coffin and used him as an alternative energy source.

Sharke on September 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

I have never seen a president so clearly show that he is president of only his supporters. He does this by sniping at and belittling anyone who disagrees with him. It is demeaning and petty and unbecoming of a president. He degrades the opposition party and calls out private citizens. In other words, he has no class. You can agree or disagree with President Bush, but he handled every adversity and all the dem carping with class. Sometimes, I wish he would have called them out like Reagan used to. So, it gives me no qualms to say Obama is not my president. He is a small petty man who is evil and doesn’t have our best interests or our countries’ at heart.

silvernana on September 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Instead of offering something new, Obama dared those disaffected by ObamaCare to stop it. His only hope will be that people quickly forget it. Far from a reset, the speech sets the stage for even further disenchantment with this administration.

Didn’t listen to it; I truly cannot abide the man and listening to him only makes me increasingly irritated with him.

But based on everything I’ve read about it, I predict that the major effect of his speech will be to harden the grassroots opposition. He basically told more than half the population to pi$$ off, and I’m betting that’s what they’ll tell him to do in 2012, whether this bill ever passes in any form or not.

ProfessorMiao on September 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

postaldog on September 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM

My wife sent my son a small package by USPS two weeks ago. It was returned opened (everything still inside), with a “cannot deliver” sticker on it. The address was correct, though she misspelled Tennessee.

I take great solace in the fact that, although I can’t get a .49 package to Tennessee, at least postal “workers” collect tins o’ tuna for Democrat voters.

Akzed on September 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM

e-pirate on September 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM

As usual, you miss the point. No one who blogs has a problem with spot analysis. Dionne wrote that Obama seized control of autumn before autumn has even started and without any idea of whether the speech turned Obama’s numbers around. But I suspect you know what my point was, and just want to engage in trollery.

Ed Morrissey on September 10, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Clang ,clang, clang went the trolly.
Ding, ding, ding went the bell.
Zing, zing, zing went Ed Morrissey,
When he gave that troll some Hell!

Chug, chug, chug went the loser.
Bump, bump, bump went the fake.
Thump, thump, thump went Ed Morrissey,
as he bashed that little snake!

Loxodonta on September 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM

“Of the people, for the people, by the people.” Yes, you can and should measure the character of this country by its government..

Because the government does it does not mean it’s bad. And the fact is, government does need to act to assure that all Americans can afford to receive at least basic, life-saving health care. Obama’s proposals are not radical. They will not expand the government any more than anything George W. Bush did. The proposals are not communist nor will they lead to fascism or death panels or the death of the insurance industry.

But they will lead to better health coverage for Americans.

Tom_Shipley on September 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Every American does have access to basic life saving coverage Tom…it’s called MediCaid, Schip, or ER visits….but do go on….we should destroy our healthcare system by letting barry “not want to take over” another industry to the tune of crapping on 270 million to “save” 30 million.

Love your math my death Mr. Shipley

sven10077 on September 10, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Loxodonta on September 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM

hahaha, bravo!

scalleywag on September 10, 2009 at 9:35 AM

They will not expand the government any more than anything George W. Bush did.

Lame. Prefacing support for a bad policy because the last guy did it too is stupid.

But they will lead to better health coverage for Americans.

With what evidence? Current government health care programs aren’t exactly known either for top notch care or budgetary discipline; “better” is a widely relative term.

Bishop on September 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM

I am no relativist and agree with cultural standards of civility, but, I also am unclear what separates Wilson’s taunt from the other raucous shouts, boos, cheers and protest.

Diane on September 10, 2009 at 9:29 AM

A member of Congress, in a public forum and too his face, called the President of the United States a liar. That’s pretty intense and different than the booing that Bush got in 2005.

Because of the forum and Obama’s inability to go off the cuff, there was no way to respond to the charge of lying at the momement it was made. Sort of unsportsman like.

I’m down with what Joe Wilson did, but it was pretty severe.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM

I liked the speech – you see, I have been experiencing difficulty getting to sleep……..so what I do now is tape all Messiah speeches – boom………puts me right out! Try it!

Cinday Blackburn on September 10, 2009 at 9:37 AM

My expectations were low, and I was not disappointed. Odinglenuts wants to get “bipartisanship” the same way the global warmingists want to get “consensus”: denigrate and ignore opposition, because it is difficult, if not impossible, to counter with facts and logic.

The speech was “target rich” with many of the same old straw-men being trotted out, plus some bonus boners: Somewhere between 17 and 20 million people have disappeared. Maybe they were the residents of those extra 7 states or something.

If this speech was supposed to be the “game changer” that made the difference between government-run health care failing or succeeding, it went off like a damp squib, and those of us opposed to increased government will soon be breaking out the fireworks.

mr.blacksheep on September 10, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Because the government does it does not mean it’s bad. And the fact is, government does need to act to assure that all Americans can afford to receive at least basic, life-saving health care. Obama’s proposals are not radical. They will not expand the government any more than anything George W. Bush did. The proposals are not communist nor will they lead to fascism or death panels or the death of the insurance industry.

But they will lead to better health coverage for Americans.

Tom_Shipley on September 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

That’s nonsense and simply stating otherwise changes nothing. Words without substance are the hallmark of liberalism.

rplat on September 10, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Can you imagine worrying about who will be appointed to the health care panel every time we have a new election? It will equal the concern of Supreme Court appointees.

Cindy Munford on September 10, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I have never seen a president so clearly show that he is president of only his supporters. He does this by sniping at and belittling anyone who disagrees with him. It is demeaning and petty and unbecoming of a president.

silvernana on September 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Although it is entirely consistent with the personality traits that occasionally leaked through the MSM’s smokescreen during the campaign – the overweaning egotism and arrogance, the thin-skinned reaction whenever he was criticized, and all the evidence that he is, at heart, a far-left ideologue.

ProfessorMiao on September 10, 2009 at 9:38 AM

A member of Congress, in a public forum and too his face, called the President of the United States a liar. That’s pretty intense and different than the booing that Bush got in 2005.

Because of the forum and Obama’s inability to go off the cuff, there was no way to respond to the charge of lying at the momement it was made. Sort of unsportsman like.

I’m down with what Joe Wilson did, but it was pretty severe.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM

but nowhere near as severe as Harry Reid calling Bush a loser and a liar, without Bush there to schoo kids right?

The fact Chairman Soetoro can’t speak without tiny words on a screen there to rebutt Mr. Wilson at once doesn’t mean Wilson shouldn’t have done it….it means we need President’s who have the mental agility of a British PM.

sven10077 on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Obama was awesome. Just a couple of months ago he said there were 47 million people without health insurance. Last night he said there were 30 million. At this rate, he’ll have everyone covered before Christmas.

I say we do nothing so that the magic of Obama’s presidency causes the number of uninsured to go down by itself.

theblackcommenter on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I’m down with what Joe Wilson did, but it was pretty severe.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM

All this kind of stuff really does though is give the Dems more fodder to justify calling us angry mobs.

scalleywag on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Tom_Shipley on September 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Saying it’s so don’t make it so. By the way, did I mention I have bridge for sale on Ebay? Wanna bid?

smellthecoffee on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

silvernana on September 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Completely agree.

Barack Obama, his White House and Congressional Democrats clearly regard Americans who disagree with them on policy, as the enemy, not as constituents.

I feel the same way about them.

He is by far the most partisan president in history, along with being the least prepared and qualified. The three go hand in hand.

Not my president.

NoDonkey on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Mr. D on September 10, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Those were the days! /

Cindy Munford on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

So the Republican votes he needs to Rahm this POS through the process can go back to their constituents now, and tell them that they are not going to be paying the health insurance premiums for illegals. The Messiah gave his sermon last night, and pacified the Republican’s constituents. It’s now safe to come on over and vote for it. It’s only later that the truth will emerge, and by then it is too late.

Better make noise and throw shoes now. It’s the last chance.

shaken on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

I liked the speech – you see, I have been experiencing difficulty getting to sleep

I can’t sleep when I’m screaming “LIAR” at the TV.

NoDonkey on September 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Obama should’ve had video of the people in the unemployment healthcare line trying to get coverage! This would have fit in perfectly with all the other LIES!

Cybergeezer on September 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

postaldog on September 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM
They collect what others are willing to give, cudo’s to them but god bless the truely generous that give.

aceinstall on September 10, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Somewhere between 17 and 20 million people have disappeared. Maybe they were the residents of those extra 7 states or something.
mr.blacksheep on September 10, 2009 at 9:37 AM

ROFL. Nice.

NickelAndDime on September 10, 2009 at 9:42 AM

but nowhere near as severe as Harry Reid calling Bush a loser and a liar, without Bush there to schoo kids right?

The fact Chairman Soetoro can’t speak without tiny words on a screen there to rebutt Mr. Wilson at once doesn’t mean Wilson shouldn’t have done it….it means we need President’s who have the mental agility of a British PM.

sven10077 on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

The fact that it was severe is what makes it great.

I don’t want to take away from what Wilson did/said by comparing it to the Dems booing. Also, it’s not even on the same level as Harry Reid because Reid was was petty and mean while Wilson was seizing a moment and “speaking truth to power”.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:42 AM

All this kind of stuff really does though is give the Dems more fodder to justify calling us angry mobs.

scalleywag on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

The Democrats are going to call us names no matter what. But today the narrative, for good or bad, is Obama the Liar.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:43 AM

I’m down with what Joe Wilson did, but it was pretty severe.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:36 AM

All this kind of stuff really does though is give the Dems more fodder to justify calling us angry mobs.

scalleywag on September 10, 2009 at 9:39 AM

What it did was allow us the opportunity to point out that your opposition isn’t based on facts, it’s just juvenile name-calling. If there is any rebuttal that assumption — good luck, because Joe Wilson is the now voice of the Republican response and any legitimate, logical and perhaps more persuasive points you wanted to make just got drowned out.

Thanks, Joe.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Jethro to Uncle Jed

Are these people saying that i don cipher very good Uncle Jed ( David Axelhead )

bluegrass on September 10, 2009 at 9:45 AM

The quality of the American character isn’t measured in the size of the government, but in the power of our voluntary kindness.

+1.

The current operative definition of virtue seems to be the willingness to extract someone else’s money and giving it to a third party. So, the bigger we make the government the more virtuous we are. “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”

gonegaltinstl on September 10, 2009 at 9:46 AM

…good luck, because Joe Wilson is the now voice of the Republican response and any legitimate, logical and perhaps more persuasive points you wanted to make just got drowned out.
Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:45 AM

You lefties sure do spend a lot of time trying to tell us who is the leader/head/spokeswoman of our party.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Somewhere between 17 and 20 million people have disappeared. Maybe they were the residents of those extra 7 states or something.
mr.blacksheep on September 10, 2009 at 9:37 AM

Apparently those states are in Mexico.

gonegaltinstl on September 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Akzed on September 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM

I’m sorry I’m posting this so far down but had to piggy back. We received a piece of mail that was a corner of the wrapping of a parcel. Just the scrap of wrapping where you could read our address and the return address. NOTHING ELSE. I am not a young person and have never ever seen such an unbelieveable testament to incompetence and I will not use the post office again.
I really think the liar in cheif ought to fix what is really broken before he tries to convince us that they can handle our health.

ORconservative on September 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

The quality of the American character isn’t measured in the size of the government, but in the power of our voluntary kindness.
+1.

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nor should it be measured by the size of ones ears

bluegrass on September 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Apparently those states are in Mexico.

gonegaltinstl on September 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM

or maybe Canada?

sven10077 on September 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Sheik Abu Barack al-Husseini al-Kenyi ibn Obooba lies to us repeatedly, demonstrably, easily refuted lies, lies to us in the people’s house, and the representative who calls him out on it and is to be blamed?

Akzed on September 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Thanks, Joe.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Still, he was right…he lies. That’s right, Obama lies. Consistently.

scalleywag on September 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Don’t you love it that whichever Republican is in supposed hot water at the moment is the Leader of the Republican Party?

Cindy Munford on September 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

And people say that America is falling behind in manufacturing; The Democrats and their devout media are busy MANUFACTURING LIES about everything and everyone that dissents with their communist opinions and goals.
Maybe China will want to buy some of this dung!

Cybergeezer on September 10, 2009 at 9:52 AM

Cindy Munford on September 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Yea, convenient truths.

scalleywag on September 10, 2009 at 9:54 AM

One of these days Obama/Emanuel/communist media are going to come out with a conspiracy theory on the tele-prompter being hijacked by Republicans!

Cybergeezer on September 10, 2009 at 9:55 AM

The Cadillac Tax is on the table, according to the President’s speech. The President wants good health care for all, but apparently doesn’t want people to be able to purchase the best healthcare their money can buy without the government being able to stick their hand out and take a cut.

I have some questions for the President: When Teddy Kennedy was sick, did he get the healthcare we people in the middle class can afford and get, or did he get something better? Next question: Should Teddy have been taxed on the healthcare he purchased to prevent his early death? If Teddy were taxed, is it possible that some of the procedures used on him would have been unaffordable, and as a result, his health would have suffered?

More questions: Is your healthcare “cadillac”? Should everyone’s healthcare be “cadillac”? If not, should everyone’s healthcare be identical? If so, shouldn’t yours and Teddy’s be the same as ours?

By the way, a “cadillac tax” is quite an apt description, given that GM now stands for Government Motors.

unclesmrgol on September 10, 2009 at 9:55 AM

he can take his speech and teleprompter and shove it up his ; ooops, forgot chris matthews is already there. might not be enough room.

la.rt.wngr on September 10, 2009 at 9:56 AM

What on earth was in that speech that could possibly change anyone’s mind about Nat’l healthcare? How squishy would you have to be, to buy what Barry was trying to sell last night?

Reminds me of the “undecided” dolts from the 2008 election- What is there to be undecided about? I think they need to be called what they are: Willfully ignorant.

anniekc on September 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

…good luck, because Joe Wilson is the now voice of the Republican response and any legitimate, logical and perhaps more persuasive points you wanted to make just got drowned out.
Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:45 AM

You lefties sure do spend a lot of time trying to tell us who is the leader/head/spokeswoman of our party.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I’m just sayin’. Lead Republican response story on both the Washington Times and Fox News websites were Joe Wilson and not Dr. What’s-his-name from Louisiana or any of the Congressional Republicans (or even Sarah!). He’s a folk hero here, while every other opposition voice is ignored for the critical juncture of the news cycle.

He sucked the air out of that room and did so in a way that benefits Obama. I didn’t make him the voice of anything — you did.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

The tyranny of the “pure in heart.”

Wethal on September 10, 2009 at 8:59 AM

I’ll buy that!

Gang-of-One on September 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

He sucked the air out of that room and did so in a way that benefits Obama.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Wishing it were true does not make it so.

myrenovations on September 10, 2009 at 10:00 AM

ORconservative on September 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Many moons ago I worked at the Pentagon, and borrowed a book from a friend there. I moved on to another venue before finishing the book, so I tried to return it by mail.

I addressed it to Colonel So-and-so with the correct room, ring and floor designated, but I didn’t know the zip code so I didn’t include it. I mean, how many Pentagons are in Washington, D.C.?

It wasn’t returned for the lack of a zip code however. Washington D.C. was scratched out, and Fairfax, VA was written over it, probably by someone who delivers 50 lbs of govt cheese to a soup kitchen every Christmas.

How many transfers from the USPS to the US Department of Deciding Who Can Have What Medical Procedures will be approved if we end up with Sheik Abu Barack al-Husseini al-Kenyi ibn OboobaCare?

Akzed on September 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM

President Obama used a dramatic appearance before Congress on Wednesday to seize control of the autumn, the season of decision for the initiative he has turned into the central test of his presidency.

Obama did sieze control of the autumn…of 2008. Not so sure about 9/9/09.

Steve Z on September 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM

He sucked the air out of that room and did so in a way that benefits Obama.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Whatever dries the tears, darlin’….need a hanky?

ladyingray on September 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM

Obama’s proposals are not radical. They will not expand the government any more than anything George W. Bush did. The proposals are not communist nor will they lead to fascism or death panels or the death of the insurance industry.

But they will lead to better health coverage for Americans.

Tom_Shipley on September 10, 2009 at 9:32 AM

Dude, I’m all out over here….can you sell me a little of what you’re smokin’ ??

Jerome Horwitz on September 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM

He sucked the air out of that room and did so in a way that benefits Obama. I didn’t make him the voice of anything — you did.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Yeah, Barry’s panic stricken face did look a little airless.

anniekc on September 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM

He sucked the air out of that room and did so in a way that benefits Obama.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Do you just keep all your comments on a clipboard somewhere and yank them off at random?

BigD on September 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Yeah, Barry’s panic stricken face did look a little airless.

anniekc on September 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Did you see dear madam Speaker? I thought her face would explode.

ladyingray on September 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Just in from the American Family Assoc:

There are many reasons to oppose President Obama’s push to take over the nation’s health care system, but among the most important is this one: his plan will put Planned Parenthood clinics inside your child’s school.

Yes, you read that right. Under an innocuous-sounding section titled “School-Based Health Clinics,” H.R. 3200 will authorize Planned Parenthood, as a “sponsoring facility,” to run a clinic during school hours on the grounds of public schools, with absolutely no accountability either to parents or school administrators.

Clinics would be accountable only to the Secretary of Health & Human Services, the radically pro-abortion Kathleen Sebelius, who was a fervent supporter of late-term abortionist George Tiller.

All this will be done at taxpayer expense. And unlike the rest of the bill, which isn’t slated to go into effect until 2013, these clinics are scheduled to go into schools next fall.

As you know, Planned Parenthood is the nation’s largest abortion provider and the most dangerous purveyor of the mythical “safe sex” message which has deprived so many American teens of their sexual innocence and left them with diseases and unwanted pregnancies.

Akzed on September 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM

St. Judes children’s hospital is exactly the sort of place the Prezzie wants to run out of business and by eliminating tax deductions for charitable contributions, places like St. Judes will eventually close.

I believe that part of the reason he wants to eliminate the lavish charitable giving in this country is because it will minimize the glaring examples of American exceptionalism, a concept that he rejects.

From the perspective of an egomaniacal, big-government radical, if charity exists it must come from the hands of government. If it comes from the people, then he cannot take the credit for providing it.

Puddleglum on September 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM

Charity was illegal in the USSR.

Akzed on September 10, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Obama did more than deride. He flat-out called “prominent politicians” liars. That should be hammered cuz it’s not the least bit presidential, especially when he’s an invited speaker accusing many of his hosts.

Chaz on September 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM

Hey Shipley, and Bleeds Blue. I found something for you to keep you occupied for a while. Print this out. You can put it on your bedroom door and throw darts at it. Now don’t come back for a couple of days, OK? And don’t say I never did anything for you.

smellthecoffee on September 10, 2009 at 10:11 AM

Unlike the Dems, I can count. Maybe they should nut up and pass this thing. See how well that turns out.

mjk on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

I’m with you, put it up for a vote and see how it goes. If it passes 51/49, I predict serious problems throughout the land.
If I was a 2012 canadate I would run on this issue alone I would say day one I will roll this back.

kangjie on September 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM

It matters not a whit whether people who scream “liar” and those who applaud him were convinced. They’re not reasonable and interested and they should be ignored henceforth.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 8:59 AM

You can get up from your prayer rug that points toward D.C. now.

Out of respect the congressmen should not have yelled liar, however, out of respect the president should not have lied about:
1. the opposition making no effort make health-care reform bi-partisan when they have suggested multiple items for reform but have been ignored.
2. coverage for illegal aliens
3. tax payer funded abortions through his bill.
4. etc

shick on September 10, 2009 at 10:19 AM

We’ve now reached the point you inevitably do with the Left if you’re able to withstand their onslaughts long enough, and we’ll see what Republicans are made of. I’m not optimistic. Republicans still have no idea what they’re up against, and still have no plan for fighting it. The last two months were entirely driven by the people. The Washington weaklings of the Right simply got out of the way, thinking they were being clever to “let the democrats destroy themselves.” But that’s not a plan. They had no plan for the adamantine hate and lying persistence of the Left, because none of them know what a leftist is. And so now we’ve reached the moment of truth, when the man who cried “liar” must apologize and be shamed by his more “civil” peers, and the weaklings who never had a plan must realize once again that it is far more important to be seen as “bipartisan” and save a president from failing than it is to call a liar and liar and drop that filthy socialist liar to the dirt so that he never gets up again. Goodnight, Irene.

rrpjr on September 10, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Why must we all agree that Obama is a great speaker? I feel like I am in the twilight zone.

Renae on September 10, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Thank you. It’s one of those situations where the right has fallen for the “settled science” of the left. “Oh, well, there is no doubt he is a great speaker”. Bullshit. He IS NOT a great speaker. He is a crappy speaker. He can read but even does that in a plodding obnoxious halting candence. When he isn’t reading he can’t get two words out without err, um, uh. I don’t see what those that give him the “great speaker” award see; therefore, I think they are full of crap and either have fallen for a lefty talking point or have never heard a good speaker.

Why are Obama’s lips darker than his face? Is this a make-up mistake or a middle eastern genetic phenomena? I thought he might be having oxygen problems and we might get Crazy Joe as president.

Haunches on September 10, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Ya think, DiNozzo?

kingsjester on September 10, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Is that you Gibbs?

tgharris on September 10, 2009 at 10:24 AM

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