Did Obama provide a “reset” on health care with speech?

posted at 8:48 am on September 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

I don’t mean to pick on my friend E.J. Dionne twice in one week, but his column provides the perfect springboard for my evaluation of Barack Obama’s speech to the joint session of Congress last night.  Earlier this week, in discussing Obama’s speech to schoolchildren, Dionne (incorrectly) accused Republicans of jumping to conclusions with no evidence whatsoever about the nationally-broadcast telecast.  Today, Dionne leads off his column with this conclusion:

After a listless summer during which his opponents dominated the health-care debate, President Obama used a dramatic appearance before Congress on Wednesday to seize control of the autumn, the season of decision for the initiative he has turned into the central test of his presidency.

Did he!  And when did Dionne write this conclusion that Obama seized control of the autumn — sometime in the dead of winter, and transported back through a time machine?  Obama’s speech ended at about 9 pm Eastern time, and since this column is in the print edition, it had to have been cut pretty close to the midnight point where the Washington Post publishes its material on line. Not much time there for Dionne to gather evidence that Obama “seize[d] control of the autumn.”

We’re going to see a lot of media gushing over this speech, as we see with all of Obama’s speeches — the most important address, expertly delivered, historical, etc etc.  Chris Matthews, last seen comparing Obama’s Reverend Wright speech (which got rendered inoperative less than four weeks later) to the Gettysburg Address, has probably already compared Obama to Cicero or Cato.  No one doubts the President’s ability to deliver a speech, but was it the right speech?

Consider that the American public has listened intently to the debate all summer long, and has reacted to the proposals from Obama and the Democrats in Congress with increasing disgust and anger.  Obama himself had already made a prime-time appearance six weeks ago with the White House press corps making his argument for ObamaCare in detail — dull, repetitive detail, as many noted at the time.  Obama also made a number of town-hall appearances in which he tried to sell his plan by looking reasonable and bipartisan — and wound up losing 19 points on his approval ratings on health care in the six weeks of Congressional recess.

Obama needed a new argument.  Instead of changing out his old slogans, Obama changed out his reasonableness and his veneer of bipartisanship for an ugly, partisan tone, accusing his opponents of lying and demanding an end to “bickering,” which Americans used to call “debate” and “dissent”.  He again accused his opposition of not offering any ideas, when Congressional Republicans have a comprehensive reform bill in committee and had copies of it in the chamber when Obama gave his speech.

If Obama just intended to fire up his left wing, then this speech was a success.  If he intended on selling ObamaCare to the majority of Americans who oppose it, Obama’s speech was an unmitigated disaster.  He offered no new arguments, and explicitly derided people who didn’t buy them the first fifteen times he’s offered the old ones.  He flat-out lied about illegal immigrants (although Rep. Joe Wilson was wrong to interrupt, which Wilson himself quickly admitted), as the Congressional Research Service concluded.

Finally, he wound up the speech by at first saying that no one wants big government, and then arguing for it in an odd tribute to Ted Kennedy.  The point, he says, is not the size of government, but the purity of heart when building it, or something:

For some of Ted Kennedy’s critics, his brand of liberalism represented an affront to American liberty.  In their mind, his passion for universal health care was nothing more than a passion for big government.

But those of us who knew Teddy and worked with him here – people of both parties – know that what drove him was something more. His friend, Orrin Hatch, knows that. They worked together to provide children with health insurance. His friend John McCain knows that. hey worked together on a Patient’s Bill of Rights. His friend Chuck Grassley knows that. They worked together to provide healthcare to children with disabilities.

On issues like these, Ted Kennedy’s passion was born not of some rigid ideology, but of his own experience. It was the experience of having two children stricken with cancer. He never forgot the sheer terror and helplessness that any parent feels when a child is badly sick; and he was able to imagine what it must be like for those without insurance; what it would be like to have to say to a wife or a child or an aging parent – there is something that could make you better, but I just can’t afford it.

That large-heartedness – that concern and regard for the plight of others – is not a partisan feeling. It is not a Republican or a Democratic feeling. It, too, is part of the American character. Our ability to stand in other people’s shoes. A recognition that we are all in this together; that when fortune turns against one of us, others are there to lend a helping hand.

The problem with big government isn’t that the initial intentions are bad or good, but that they’re irrelevant once government has power.  The quality of the American character isn’t measured in the size of the government, but in the power of our voluntary kindness.  It’s measured in places like St. Jude’s Hospital for children, which treats exactly the kind of children Obama mentions without a government program in place.

When government controls health-care choices, the programs won’t be run by kind-hearted saints but the kind of bureaucrats one meets at the DMV and the post office.  And, of course, the IRS, which will be tasked with enforcement of the individual mandates that Obama seems to think are also part of the American character.

And while we know that Kennedy was an advocate for single-payer health care his entire life, the tribute to him seemed a little overdone, and predictably so.  Did Ted Kennedy trust his last couple of years to Medicare, or did he use his own money to find the best doctors and treatments he could get?  And while liberals love to lionize Kennedy, is the White House so tone-deaf as to miss the fact that Kennedy was not a popular figure outside of Massachusetts?

It did provide a fitting conclusion to an ugly, partisan, and completely counter-productive speech.  Instead of offering something new, Obama dared those disaffected by ObamaCare to stop it.  His only hope will be that people quickly forget it.  Far from a reset, the speech sets the stage for even further disenchantment with this administration.


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If he intended on selling ObamaCare to the majority of Americans who oppose it, Obama’s speech was an unmitigated disaster.

May it be so. I thank God for a free press. I pray to Him for an honest one.

tgharris on September 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM

What it did was allow us the opportunity to point out that your opposition isn’t based on facts, it’s just juvenile name-calling.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:45 AM

What facts did he represent? He just sang the same old song that multiple non-partisan groups including the CBO, CRS have already refutted. And Obama didn’t resort to name calling last night?

If there is any rebuttal that assumption — good luck, because Joe Wilson is the now voice of the Republican response and any legitimate, logical and perhaps more persuasive points you wanted to make just got drowned out.

How logic just flows from your keyboard. Keep believing that if it helps you sleep at night. His emotional uproar (as wrong as it was) produced two results; gave loons like yourself an excuse to keep your head in the sand and was the catalyst that sent many others shouting at their TVs “You Liar!”

shick on September 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM

…is the White House so tone-deaf as to miss the fact that Kennedy was not a popular figure outside of Massachusetts?

Not to sound defensive, but some of us inside MA don’t much care for him either.

scituate_tgr on September 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM

Bleeds Blue:

You must have been very impressed with Joe Wilson and his honesty. Obama is a liar and Mr. Wilson was obviously so incredulous that Obama would actually lie to everyone in a joint session of congress that he had to shout it out.

The conversation today is that Obama is a liar, not who called him out on it.

Vince on September 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM

What it did was allow us the opportunity to point out that your opposition isn’t based on facts, it’s just juvenile name-calling.

BleedsBlue: Your ‘logic’ is flawed inasmuch as Mr. Wilson chose a moment to yell ‘You lie! at the very moment your Messiah was in fact trying to palm off one of the biggest lies of the evening(i.e. illegal aliens will not be covered).

While you have thus far insulated yourself from the fact, Mr. Obama is in fact a (congenital) liar. Truth is, he was called out by Mr. Wilson for lying – and that’s a fact

alwyr on September 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM

really think the liar in cheif ought to fix what is really broken before he tries to convince us that they can handle our health.

ORconservative on September 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

I understand your point but I think we should kill the U.S. Post Office and not try to resurrect it.

shick on September 10, 2009 at 10:32 AM

or maybe Canada?

sven10077 on September 10, 2009 at 9:48 AM

Definitely not Honduras.

shick on September 10, 2009 at 10:33 AM

Don’t you love it that whichever Republican is in supposed hot water at the moment is the Leader of the Republican Party?

Cindy Munford on September 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM

Anne Coulter has been the leader many times. ;)

shick on September 10, 2009 at 10:34 AM

I don’t mean to pick on my friend E.J. Dionne twice in one week

That’s three leftist idiots Ed’s friends with. EJ, Jazz, and some other idiot.

I’m concerned.

misterpeasea on September 10, 2009 at 10:38 AM

Is that you Gibbs?
tgharris on September 10, 2009 at 10:24 AM

Just a fan. It’s a great show.

kingsjester on September 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM

What it did was allow us the opportunity to point out that your opposition isn’t based on facts, it’s just juvenile name-calling.

I read HR3200 and have five pages of notes. Bozo has not read the bill at all neither have most of congress. Everything Bozo says about the bill IS A LIE.

Anyone who actually reads the bill with average reading and critical thinking skill will see it in black and white. Which by the way is why so many Americans (a large majority) oppose Obamunistcare.

dogsoldier on September 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM

Anyone who actually reads the bill with average reading and critical thinking skill will see it in black and white. Which by the way is why so many Americans (a large majority) oppose Obamunistcare.

dogsoldier on September 10, 2009 at 10:51 AM

whoa….you want Obama’s fan club to actually do HOMEWORK????? LOL They are just here for the handouts!

search4truth on September 10, 2009 at 10:55 AM

Not to sound defensive, but some of us inside MA don’t much care for him either.

scituate_tgr on September 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM

You’re a stranger in a strange land my friend.

shick on September 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM

I have never seen a president so clearly show that he is president of only his supporters. He does this by sniping at and belittling anyone who disagrees with him. It is demeaning and petty and unbecoming of a president. He degrades the opposition party and calls out private citizens. In other words, he has no class.

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silvernana on September 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Thank you, silvernana. My observations and feelings, exactly.

Barack Obama has the class of a street thug. No other description fits.

Yoop on September 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM

New plan, same as the old plan.

Kissmygrits on September 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM

Why are Obama’s lips darker than his face? Is this a make-up mistake or a middle eastern genetic phenomena? I thought he might be having oxygen problems and we might get Crazy Joe as president.

Haunches on September 10, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Noticed that myself. My wife’s a nurse, and calls it cyanosis. It’s a symptom of blood that has insufficient oxygen, possibly due to respiratory problems.

mr.blacksheep on September 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM

But what about them damn ears?

bluegrass on September 10, 2009 at 11:31 AM

Obama did a phenomenal job last night. He surely convinced the opposition that..
1) ..they have been hurting the poor and unconvered while fighting against this bill.
2) ..they are doing so to help big business.
3) ..the government option will not cover illegal aliens.
4) ..tax-payer dollars will not fund abortions.
5) ..tort reform isn’t the biggest problem with health care.
6) ..government healthcare will not result in rationing.
7) ..he isn’t a liar.
8) ..he isn’t a power hunger socialist.
9) ..he isn’t a Chicago thug.
10) And lastly, he surely convinced the opposition that they need to throw in the towel.

/sarcasm

shick on September 10, 2009 at 11:34 AM

I have never seen a president so clearly show that he is president of only his supporters. He does this by sniping at and belittling anyone who disagrees with him. It is demeaning and petty and unbecoming of a president. He degrades the opposition party and calls out private citizens. In other words, he has no class.

snip

silvernana on September 10, 2009 at 9:33 AM

Exactly. I’ve never seen such an unpresidential president in my life. (I remember when VP Rockefeller gave a heckler the finger, which shocked my parents, lol.) But Obama is really out of his depth in every way. He can’t bear to be challenged, which indicates that he has skated through life on affirmative action and unearned adulation. He can’t bear to be challenged or contradicted – like a king who has been surrounded by yes men all his life.

Woe to America for being stupid enough to elect this poseur.

atheling on September 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM

It still amazes me that the debate assumes that the Communist, Racist,DemoCommies actually want to fix anything :health care, energy, housing, unemployment, defense, education, etc! This is about reparations and is Racism Straight Up! Notice how The Kenyan, Communist, Racist, Narcissist, Liar-in-chief defaults to the Rev Wright Black Liberation Preacher mode when he tries to show conviction! They are trying to talk us into giving up our wealth and freedom by deceit and misdirection. We are now seeing Obama’s true color! This is going to take some clear thing tough leaders to root this bunch out of authority over the rest of us!

Marco on September 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

The speech was to bolster his poll numbers, to give blue dogs a shot at compromise.

AnninCA on September 10, 2009 at 11:38 AM

shick on September 10, 2009 at 11:34 AM

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Do you have Alzheimers disease or you just a clueless idiot?

bluegrass on September 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM

Lets see…

He calls BOTH houses of Congress together… somthing usualy only done for the State of the Union, or to ask for a Declaration of War…

He gets it televised, so the Nation will watch…

But, apparently had not written the speech yet, they were “working” on it up till the last minute…

He is then FIFTEEN MINUTES LATE (sorry, but when you ask me for my attention, its common curtosy to be on time.. Imperial Hubris?)…

Then gives the same speech he has given multiple times, but with more acrimony.

Reset? MSM may try to spin this… but … no…

Romeo13 on September 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

I’ve been trying to send an emaill to Joe Wilson and his website has been inundated. Hope he gets more positive responses that negatives. What he did is equal to Sarah Palin’s “death panel”. That’s all that will be talked about today. I hope he doesn’t apologize any more.

silvernana on September 10, 2009 at 11:47 AM

Oh, by the way, I tuned into Fox News while exercising this morning to get the latest, and he was giving another speech to a group of nurses. When will it stop?

silvernana on September 10, 2009 at 11:49 AM

This speech gave obama the opportunity to clearly demarcate the beginning of his lame duck term as president.

He entered the house chamber which will now be forever cast as the place he both started, and ended his quest for the presidency. The house chamber now symbolizes the coffin of the obama presidency, for it was there that obama climbed in and sealed his fate–securing it with a moonbeam and sealing it with a rainbow….

we have seen the turning point—

ted c on September 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Exactly. I’ve never seen such an unpresidential president in my life. (I remember when VP Rockefeller gave a heckler the finger, which shocked my parents, lol.) But Obama is really out of his depth in every way. He can’t bear to be challenged, which indicates that he has skated through life on affirmative action and unearned adulation. He can’t bear to be challenged or contradicted – like a king who has been surrounded by yes men all his life.

Woe to America for being stupid enough to elect this poseur.

atheling on September 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM

I couldn’t agree more Atheling. I am SO F*CKING SICK of the left in this country, and I’m not even a conservative. I lean conservative on several issues, but, for example, don’t believe in conservative/libertarian views on tax cuts. I’m more of a John McCain Republican (don’t throw tomatoes, please! :)) It just burns me up the lengths that the Dems have gone to screw over anyone who shows opposition to their distortions. I’m sick of their hypocrisy, indignance at those who disagree, and their scorch the earth politics (a phrase, that, ironically, Obama used in 2004 at the DNC). People need to stand up, wake up, and be counted, and stop being manipulated by Obama’s fake bipartisanship. I’d rather have a right-wing Republican shout “YOU LIE!” at the president than listen to this “Nazi” crap from Nancy Pelosi any day. She needs a comeupance, and if the American people don’t deliver it to her in 2010, then they are stone f*cking stupid!

NathanG on September 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM

Did Obama provide a “reset” on health care with speech?

No. He made the health care debate “overcharged” (as in, ‘about to blow’) which is in keeping with the history of this moronic administration.

progressoverpeace on September 10, 2009 at 11:51 AM

Ed:

I love you.

Terrye on September 10, 2009 at 11:52 AM

Exactly. I’ve never seen such an unpresidential president in my life.

atheling on September 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM

That’s because he’s The Precedent, not a President. It’s not often that you get to hear the word, “bogus”, used in an address to Congress. Columbia and Harvard must be so proud.

progressoverpeace on September 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

I watched a really terrific program with all the communications people from all the various administrations.

The guy from the Clinton administration rang true most with me. Figures. *haha

But what he said was simple. It’s not all the political spin that matters.

It’s the actual product. Whether it was the Iraq war, which was Bush’s legacy. And who knows how we really feel about that one in the future.

Or it was Welfare Reform by Clinton.

or it’s going to be healthcare reform by Obama.

People are pragmatic. They will judge this by the results.

Medicare WAS a great Democratic win. It’s made old age bearable for a lot of people. Any conservative who denies this?

You’re crazy.

That’s just mean-spirited, frankly.

And I think we have to keep talking about other ways to make government really work. Both sides have good points.

AnninCA on September 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

I wonder what Harvard Law and Harvard Debate folks think of how this guy makes his arguments and violates reason and logic at every turn. I would really like to see a debate guy or expert in logic dissect his arguments bit by bit (or continue to watch Sarah Palin tear him rectally) as a lesson in fallacious thinking.

this guy has no sense into reason nor logic.

ted c on September 10, 2009 at 12:00 PM

No one doubts the President’s ability to deliver a speech

I do, Ed. When he’s on-script he’s coming off as meaner and meaner, and more and more elitist with every passing day. When he’s off script and off the TelePrompTer, he’s a blithering idiot.

Being a slave (RAAAAACIST!) to the TelePrompTer does not make one a great speaker. Being great off of script is what makes a great speaker.

crazy_legs on September 10, 2009 at 12:01 PM

The speech was meant to rouse the Democrats. Frankly, that’s smart politics.

He hit it, for them. Progressives are relaxed today, not pounding him.

And, frankly, if the GOP can’t do much other than follow the tails of Townhall protesters, they are part of the problem, too.

So let’s see what they are made of, eh?

AnninCA on September 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Just a fan. It’s a great show.

kingsjester on September 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM

Oh yeah.

tgharris on September 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Yeah, he provided a reset, as in overcharge.

Daggett on September 10, 2009 at 12:06 PM

Exactly. I’ve never seen such an unpresidential president in my life.
atheling on September 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM

That’s because he’s The Precedent, not a President. It’s not often that you get to hear the word, “bogus”, used in an address to Congress. Columbia and Harvard must be so proud.
progressoverpeace on September 10, 2009 at 11:53 AM

He started out with some dignity for about the first 4 or 5 standing ovations but with all that heart-felt, sincere and spontaneous admiration – he switched into his thug-thuzzle mode within 15 minutes…you can take the thug out of Chicago…

scituate_tgr on September 10, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Sarah Palin is the only politician on the right who is actually meeting Obama toe-to-toe.

Interesting, eh?

AnninCA on September 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Do you have Alzheimers disease or you just a clueless idiot?

bluegrass on September 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM

You must have missed my /sarcasm tag.

Long live Bill Monroe.

shick on September 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Where are the gratuitous “new poll lows” threads?

there’s gotta be some.. maybe tomorrow.

ted c on September 10, 2009 at 12:17 PM

Why are Obama’s lips darker than his face?

Haunches on September 10, 2009 at 10:22 AM

Ha! That’s funny. Oh…how can you tell Obama is lying? His lips turn PURPLE!

Puddleglum on September 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM

ObaMagoo seems stuck on stupid to me.

starboardhelm on September 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM

What it did was allow us the opportunity to point out that your opposition isn’t based on facts, it’s just juvenile name-calling.

Bleeds Blue on September 10, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Every CBO report we’ve seen on this disgraceful process has blown Obama’s starry eyed claims out of the water- especially the baloney this tripe will save money.

But you people don’t care how much debt you create, so long as you can dance around and chant “we won”.

The country will once again come to its senses and eventually find some grownups of one party or the other to clean up the liberal mess.

Chuck Schick on September 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Sarah Palin is the only politician on the right who is actually meeting Obama toe-to-toe.

Interesting, eh?

AnninCA on September 10, 2009 at 12:13 PM

Interesting…and disgusting. The feminazis should be having a field day on the fact that the only influential conservative to butt heads with Obama is a snowbilly who resigned from her post. Where the hell have all the MEN gone?!

Dark-Star on September 10, 2009 at 12:23 PM

I would like to have the military step in and kick his A$$ to the curb. He’s not my president. Americans are known for being charitable people.

He’s not my President… I don’t vote for him. Nor would I vote for this…

CrapCare

Ashly33 on September 10, 2009 at 12:27 PM

And, frankly, if the GOP can’t do much other than follow the tails of Townhall protesters, they are part of the problem, too.

So let’s see what they are made of, eh?

AnninCA on September 10, 2009 at 12:04 PM

When the GOP draft and tout alternative proposals to Obimbocare, they’re labeled as ineffectual naysayer’s. When they demonstrate support for the Townhall protesters, they’re tagged for riding shirt/skirttails. When they shout “liar,” which is an honest visceral reaction to the great prevaricator, they’re branded as inappropriate, out-of-line, and still ineffectual. So what, AnninCA are they supposed to do exactly to demonstrate what they’re made of?

anXdem on September 10, 2009 at 12:33 PM

I would like to have the military step in and kick his A$$ to the curb. He’s not my president. Americans are known for being charitable people.

He’s not my President… I don’t vote for him. Nor would I vote for this…

CrapCare

Ashly33 on September 10, 2009 at 12:27 PM

LOL. You just don’t know your place do you peasant woman. I’m reminded of a scene from Monty Python’s Holy Grail.

King Arthur: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
Peasant woman: Ordering! Who does he think he is?
King Arthur: I’m your King!
Peasant woman: Well I didn’t vote for you!
King Arthur: You don’t vote for kings.

shick on September 10, 2009 at 12:40 PM

Obama lied like a rug throughout his speech…all anyone needs to do to refute any of it is pick about any paragraph and then research the claims..He gave his old speeches again and said little new and nothing truthful about any bill actually in writing..I doubt this moved the public a single point over the next few days..

I am not even sure enough folk watched to have an effect. It was boring, long and full of lies…Joe Wilson spoke for my family when he cried “That is a lie’]”…it was.

JIMV on September 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Obama has put a target on the back of every successful American and American institution. We need the public to protest now, more than ever before.

GaltBlvnAtty on September 10, 2009 at 12:49 PM

Listening to Rush and he said Boehner just went on the floor of the house and read the page in the bill that clearly shows the bill will cover illegals. He’s as angry as I am. I kept shouting “liar” at the TV last night – he said he did the same. Also, said all the Republicans are out trashing Wilson on TV today. This man told the truth and Obama is the liar.

silvernana on September 10, 2009 at 12:55 PM

the only 2 questions you need to ask the undecideds are:

where did 17 million people go?(that’s more than the holocaust by the way)

if people are dying NOW NOW NOW why does the plan not start for four years?

sven10077 on September 10, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Americans know that their system of government is fundamentally broken. It must be so if authorities find it necessary to lie, baldly, on national television, in prime time. Never before in history has have the people had a tool such as the Internet to expose the lies, and communicate their exasperation over the lying to one another. Yet the lying liars keep telling the lying lies, as though the people are in another room. That’s simply astounding. It’s hard to believe, in fact. How can the liars possibly be blind to this?

There will be a backlash against this. It’s why the town halls went so ugly over the summer.

It is not OK to lie, or to deceive. It fundamentally contradicts what Americans have been brought up to believe about their system of government: that its foundation was laid upon a bed of righteousness.

I believe the trolling here is calculated and deliberate. It is meant to discredit this Truth Machine. I see this operation elsewhere. On Youtube for instance, the MSM is finally calling attention to some of the channels that are delivering a harder message about the state of the economy and the banking system. I doubt very much that an MSM attempt to discredit those channels, and trolling here is a coincidence. There appears to be calculated attempts to provoke content which can later be held up for ridicule. We are seeing the first shots in a war between the MSM and (ironically) the real Free Press.

The Internet, specifically the Blogs, and its freedom of speech is feared, because of the impedance it creates to the Art of Lying, which, sadly, has become so associated with governing.

shaken on September 10, 2009 at 1:10 PM

Ted Kennedy was large-hearted, alright, but enough about his Chivas-ravaged internal organs. He donated 1% of his income to charity. It’s easy to be “large-hearted” with other people’s money, and then get bombed and molest a waitress or two. But his own wallet was padlocked.

Jim Treacher on September 10, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Associated Press continues to lie even after Obama fesses up that there are not 47 Million Uninsured Americans

By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer Hope Yen, Associated Press Writer – 5 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The number of Americans without health insurance rose to 46.3 million last year as people began losing jobs and coverage in the current recession. The poverty rate hit 13.2 percent, an 11-year high.

I guess she missed the Speech where Obama changed it to 30 Million

Dennis D on September 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM

You’re crazy.

That’s just mean-spirited, frankly.

And I think we have to keep talking about other ways to make government really work. Both sides have good points.

AnninCA on September 10, 2009 at 11:55 AM

Ok… I’m crazy.. but heres a basic economic lesson for you.

When the Government comes in, and says we are going to pay LESS than anyone else for a service, the rest of the customers have to pay MORE, because of things like basic operating expenses, salary, Insurance, and Plant Costs.

One of the untold reasons Everyone ELSES Insurance is going up is because they are picking up the slack, for the Medicare patients.

Now, as MORE people go on Medicare, and they drop Reimbursment rates even lower (Obama’s medicare savings), it will mean that OTHER poeples insurance costs will HAVE to go up.

Its nothing more than a hidden tax…. but… its unsustainable, and its part of the PROBLEM with the numbers, that no one wants to talk about.

Romeo13 on September 10, 2009 at 1:57 PM

That was probably the WORST speech every given to a joint session of Congress. And amazingly, a Fake Poll grossly which grossly over-sampled Democrats magically appeared almost immediately, and ’2/3 of the public supports Obama speech’ become the Instant Story.

Even that dingbat on Hannity last night had the ‘poll’ results less than an hour after the Lying President spoke

Waterloo isn’t just a town in Belgium……….

Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2009 at 1:58 PM

And The Precedent just continues to lie, and act like a general fool. In his cabinet meeting today, he talked about being tired of “paying more for less” in health care. None of the media worms there had the brains to explain to The Precedent that we are paying more for more, and that advancement keeps bringing more new procedures and medicine that is EXPENSIVE.

When will the moronic lies end? Can we find some GOPers who are willing to call the liar a “liar” without apologizing like a wuss afterwards?

Someone needs to take the Traitor-in-Chief to task for the “paying more for less” lie, since it is so blatant and stupid and moronic, and shows how little he understands about anything. I put it up there with his idiotic claim that private health care costs are going to cause the government deficit to explode – another obvious lie that the moron is allowed to skate on.

progressoverpeace on September 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Ed; Where’s this weeks polling data threads? When will we see if Obama gets a dead cat bounce out of this one? Heck if this method continues to help drive his numbers down, I can’t wait for tomorrow’s speech!!

ted c on September 10, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Obama lied last night to save his bacon. He needs to get this done because he promised it. It doesn’t matter how good it looks, he wants to add a check mark into the “win” column for his presidency. He knows he’s a failure as a president, he knows he’s a failure as a lawyer–an author–a son–a grandson–no wonder he was abandoned.

he better get ready for the upcoming abandonment–this one’s going to hurt too.

ted c on September 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

Lets see…

He calls BOTH houses of Congress together… somthing usualy only done for the State of the Union, or to ask for a Declaration of War…

He gets it televised, so the Nation will watch…
Romeo13 on September 10, 2009 at 11:45 AM

And then he lies

And all I can think about is my growing appreciation for Joe Wilson, the boy who decided not to go along with the dog and pony

A Dog and Pony show is not worthy of State of the Nation of Declaration Against another Nation

Obama spent his capital on a can of promises, that still have to be written into a bill, by the same people who wrote the last crooked bill, and Morrissey is right:

Far from a reset, the speech sets the stage for even further disenchantment with this administration

Obama decided to play his hand before the 9/12 protests with the idea of deflating their momentum. Joe Wilson tossed a spear at that balloon

entagor on September 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM

THIS IS NOT ABOUT HEALTH CARE THIS IS ABOUT CONTROLING THE MEGA BILLION DOLLAR INSURANCE INDUSTRY IN DOING SO THE LAST BASTION OF FREE ENTERPRISE WILL COME UNDER SOCIALIST RULE

sonnyspats1 on September 10, 2009 at 2:42 PM

NOT GOOD

sonnyspats1 on September 10, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Hey if we can’t stop this then what will we do when they come for the guns!

sonnyspats1 on September 10, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Clearly, Obama is paranoid; I’m waiting and praying his schizophrenic side will expose itself real soon!

Cybergeezer on September 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Did Obama provide a “reset” on health care with speech?

I think the Democrats’ plan is more of an “overcharge”.

(that Hillary gaffe never gets old)

malclave on September 10, 2009 at 2:53 PM

You’ll notice how clumsy The Messiah and Mrs. Messiah are: always misjudging heights for instance and slamming their heads against helicopter doors etc., or tripping over steps etc. This is the result of poor manufacturing specs in Chinese Communist hi-tech labs where the Messiah and Mrs. Messiah “dolls” were made. That’s why The Messiah always sounds the same and that’s why he seems so “cool” and doesn’t get agitated like……….like……….like……..well humans. Not to worry……….The Messiah and Mrs. Messiah Robots only have a shelf life of one year – then they have to be sent back to Commie country for re-booting. Expect a “China Trip” for the lovely couple soon! Hey, I didn’t vote for them!

Cinday Blackburn on September 10, 2009 at 3:21 PM

On issues like these, Ted Kennedy’s passion was born not of some rigid ideology, but of his own experience.

In Obama’s world, all ideology is evil. He, of course, has no ideology. That’s why he’s not evil.

So wanting socialized medicine has nothing to do with ideology? It’s just an unquestioned good, that only ideologues can oppose?

Only in Obama’s world.

tom on September 10, 2009 at 3:25 PM

And the next time (how many weeks I wonder) The One goes and makes a huge speech, how could anyone not pretty much already know what he’s going to say about whatever it is? Could be about the weather for instance because he’s said DCers are wimps during the winter…nothing he says or does would surprise me at this point.

ALL of these bills are authored by his Comrades so why would there be anything really new in anything that he says or does to support them?

Dr. ZhivBlago on September 10, 2009 at 4:45 PM

Far from being a reset, The Precedent instead threw down to those who disagree. We ain’t going away, chumley: get ready for some in-your-face time!

ya2daup on September 10, 2009 at 5:08 PM

The speech was to bolster his poll numbers…

In other words it was all about him. We knew that.

Geochelone on September 10, 2009 at 6:23 PM

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