AP fact-checks Obama speech; Update: Reason does better
posted at 12:17 pm on September 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Yesterday, Barack Obama told the nation that he was tired of dishonest debate and “scare tactics,” but how honest was Obama himself in last night’s speech? The Associated Press fact-checks Obama and finds him … wanting. For a man eager to paint his opposition as liars, Obama told a couple of whoppers himself in front of the joint session of Congress:
OBAMA: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits either now or in the future. Period.”
THE FACTS: Though there’s no final plan yet, the White House and congressional Democrats already have shown they’re ready to skirt the no-new-deficits pledge.
House Democrats offered a bill that the Congressional Budget Office said would add $220 billion to the deficit over 10 years. But Democrats and Obama administration officials claimed the bill actually was deficit-neutral. They said they simply didn’t have to count $245 billion of it — the cost of adjusting Medicare reimbursement rates so physicians don’t face big annual pay cuts. …
CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf had this to say in July: “We do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount.”
In fact, none of the proposals that have come from Congress thus far have been scored deficit neutral by any credible analytical group. Obama tried arguing again last night that preventive medicine would save the system money, and therefore would render the system deficit neutral or even cost-effective in the long run. Obama has yet to explain the scope of the “long run” argument, and in any event, the AP notes that the CBO has already blown the whistle on this argument, too:
THE FACTS: Studies have shown that much preventive care — particularly tests like the ones Obama mentions — actually costs money instead of saving it. That’s because detecting acute diseases like breast cancer in their early stages involves testing many people who would never end up developing the disease. The costs of a large number of tests, even if they’re relatively cheap, will outweigh the costs of caring for the minority of people who would have ended up getting sick without the testing.
The Congressional Budget Office wrote in August: “The evidence suggests that for most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall.”
I wrote a column regarding this finding a month ago today. This has been known for several weeks, explained thoroughly by the CBO in its letter, based on well-known, peer-reviewed studies. Cost savings from a massive application of preventive medicine is a myth — or in Obama’s parlance, a lie. Yet Obama insists on telling it over and over again to get people to believe that he can save money by spending more of it.
The AP misses a couple of whoppers, too. For instance, while they scold Obama for reversing himself on individual mandates, they let this pass without challenge in their article:
“To force people to get health insurance, you’ve got to have a very harsh penalty,” he said in a February 2008 debate.
Now, he says, “individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance — just as most states require you to carry auto insurance.”
This analogy is false for a few reasons. States only require people to carry auto insurance if they drive on public roads. It is a prerequisite of accessing a state-run system, not a mandate disconnected from any government-provided service. Also, the mandate for auto insurance in most states is for liability insurance — insurance that pays for the damage done to other people, not to one’s self. It’s to make sure that people who suffer damages from auto accidents not their fault can recover compensation for them.
They really miss the boat on illegal immigration, though:
OBAMA: “The reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.” One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted “You lie!” from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.
THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn’t get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due.
Actually, the facts do not back up Obama, as the Congressional Research Service noted in its analysis of HR3200. The CRS is not run by Republicans, but is the nonpartisan research office that reports to Congress. Illegal aliens in the US who meet the “substantial presence” test would be required to participate in the health-care “exchanges” and would have access therefore to the subsidies and the public option, if it exists in the final form of the bill (page 4):
Under H.R. 3200, all legal permanent residents (LPRs),23 nonimmigrants, and unauthorized aliens who meet the substantial presence test (defined above) would be required to obtain health insurance. Noncitizens meeting the definition of nonresident aliens (e.g., temporary visitors, temporary workers in the United States for less than 183 days in the year) would not be required to obtain health insurance. Notably, the IRC does not contain special rules for individuals who are in the United States without authorization (i.e., illegal or unauthorized aliens). Instead, the IRC treats these individuals in the same manner as other foreign nationals—an unauthorized individual who has been in the United States long enough to qualify under the substantial presence test is classified as a resident alien; otherwise, the individual is classified as a nonresident alien. Thus, it would appear that unauthorized aliens who meet the substantial presence test would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance.
Since the CRS analysis has been public for almost two weeks, the AP reporters should have familiarized themselves with it. The bill offered by the House, which Obama seems to have re-embraced last night, would require illegal aliens in the country for more than six months to obtain health insurance through the exchanges, and make them eligible for the public option. Furthermore, when Republicans attempted to close that loophole with an amendment, Democrats shot it down.
If Obama really wants to make a reputation for himself as a mythbuster, he should start with himself.
Update: I don’t think the AP did a bad job here, but Reason’s Matt Welch does much better — and focuses on the man doing the proposing and the disposing:
It is telling that so many people who claim to be speaking on the side of Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Journalism have consistently focused their outrage-o-meters at individual townhall attendees, political broadcast entertainers, and the lesser lights of a lame (if resurgent-by-default) opposition party, while letting walk nearly fact-check-free the non-irrelevant occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. If calling out lies and misrepresentations about a significant policy proposal is such pressing journalistic business—and it should be!—you’d think the watchdogs might start with the guy doing the proposing.
The lies last night began in Obama’s opening paragraph. “When I spoke here last winter,” he began, “credit was frozen. And our financial system was on the verge of collapse.” In fact, Obama spoke on Feb. 24, at least six weeks after credit markets began to thaw, and one week after he proclaimed that the passage of his $787 billion stimulus marked “the beginning of the end, the beginning of what we need to do to create jobs for Americans.” Obama’s speech that day wasn’t about staving off a collapse, it was about cleaning up the mess and tackling long-ignored issues. Such as health care.
It’s never encouraging when a politician who desperately needs to convince skeptical Americans of his fiscal sobriety starts off by slurring his words. As you might then infer, Obama was just warming up. “Insurance companies,” the president announced, “will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies,” in part because such prevention “saves money.” Looks like someone forgot to tell the Congressional Budget Office, or other non-White House sources that have analyzed the cost-benefit of prevention.
Again and again last night, the president’s numbers didn’t add up. “There may be those—particularly the young and healthy—who still want to take the risk and go without coverage,” he warned, in a passage defending compulsory insurance. “The problem is, such irresponsible behavior costs all the rest of us money. If there are affordable options and people still don’t sign up for health insurance, it means we pay for those people’s expensive emergency room visits.” No, it means that, on balance, the healthy young don’t pay for the unhealthy old. The whole point of forcing vigorous youth to buy insurance is using their cash and good actuarials to bring down the costs of covering the less fortunate.
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Of course he will. Then they’ll hold hands and stroll along the beach in the moonlight.
Oink on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Christie makes John Hunstman look conservative. That’s a scary thought isn’t it?
nobar on May 24, 2013 at 3:25 PM
The problem is it’ll be toxic in the GOP primaries in 2 1/2 years and that’s not even factoring in Scandalpalooza. CRISTie’s already got his reelection locked up. Why continue to play footsie with Obama like this unless he’s decided privately that he won’t be seeking the Presidency in 2016?
Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM
I’d tell you to get bent, Chris, but your girth would prevent that, so…
Dopenstrange on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM
Look’s like muskrat love.
kingsjester on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM
If Christie is the GOP nominee in 2016, the Democrats will keep the White House.
Count on it.
DRayRaven on May 24, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Somebody needs to talk this guy into joining the Party of the Democrats . . . and get him out of the Republican Party.
rplat on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM
I picture that line being delivered with a tire iron inhand. The old Christe woulda….
apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Rubio/Christie – The Demopbulican ticket.
Oil Can on May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM
Loud mouths like Christie who “tell it like it is” usually put their foot in their mouth eventually (which he has done already).
He may as well put a great big D next to his name before the next election.
iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Who’d of thought Barack is a chubby chaser? Go figure.
madmonkphotog on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
Heh. Did you happen to see Drudge’s pic of Christie and Barry,..center of page about halfway down? Looks like The Big Guy is giving a huge reach around to The Leader, who is giggling coyly. Perfect!
a capella on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM
So basically he will be campaigning on our dime!
What’s new about that ?
burrata on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I’m sure it will be as toxic as Amnesty was for McCain and Romneycare was for Romney.
lol
Don’t you love the GOP electorate?
Fezzik on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
Well, The First Lady says he’d make a great President, so
there you have it…he’s The Republican nominee in 2016!!!
Hooray!!!!!!
be back in a bit….have some Vomit to clean up…
ToddPA on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM
I see a Chris Christie/Charlie Crist ticket in their future.
iamsaved on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
True.
Dang! Did anyone say he’d try to run as a Republican?
*perish the thought*
freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
I see a cage match primary in the future between the Fat Man and Killary. Guess who wins.
BeachBum on May 24, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Front page pic: today’s Laurel and Hardy.
Marcola on May 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM
I don’t know about that. The Fat Man pretty much already won reelection in one of the most corrupt and backward states in the country. You’ve got to admit Christie is pretty politically savvy — more so than amnesty-pusher Marco Rubio or some of the other clowns.
Punchenko on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM
Just more media manipulation to pick the next sacrificial goat for us. Oh… yeah.. he could beat Hillary.. PICK HIM… No more letting the same media which hates us, influence who our party picks to run, they are NOT our damned friends.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM
He isn’t. He’s a receiver. As long as he closes his eyes and “doesn’t know” one BJ is like any other…….
Like his entire administration.
Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised at all with a Arlen Spector flip and his running as Hillary’s mate.
I doubt the Republicans are going to find their nominee from the East Coast again this time.
Marcus on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Tough call. One is a fat, sweaty, graceless, clueless career backstabber and the other is Christie.
apostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM
savvy at stroking democrats..
republicans who are conservative.. not so much.. He runs as the nominee in 16, I’m voting Conservative party… and I won’t be the only one.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
More accurate
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:40 PM
oooh, i wonder if they will go out on a date and hold hands and other cute stuff. how sweet!
Sachiko on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Is it me or does Christie look like the Penguin?
Amadeus on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Why does Obama hate Democrat women?
patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
It’s not hands. See my 3:40 comment.
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
Won’t work. Neither Hillary nor the Rotund One will ever be the 2nd line on a ticket.
Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM
That’s because the field of candidates sucked in 2008 and 2012. McCain had no competition other than Huckster and Romney. And 4 years later, Romney had only Newt and Santorum to contend with.
Even if a bunch of conservatives take a pass on 2016, there’s no way our choices will be that limited in 3 years.
Doughboy on May 24, 2013 at 3:42 PM
Is Governor Christie, a
RINO – Republican In Name Only?
or, a
DIABLO – Democrat In All But Label Only?
Choices, Choices….
patch on May 24, 2013 at 3:43 PM
If Christi runs, it’ll be on the media driven narrative, he can win without the GOP base, just moderates and democrat cross overs..
The media which never saw a left wing extremist, ever, anywhere, has waged a decades long fight to smother the conservative base, even though we out number progressives 2 to 1.
Voter suppression isn’t unethical, like so much else, if the media/democrats do it.
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:45 PM
Obama has overseen the use of federal agencies to intimidate and harass American citizens. And not jus any agencies: IRS, FBI, and the ATF harassed Catherine Engelbrecht. They sped on a Fox News reporter’s family.
Christie should be ashamed of himself. When does politics end and he starts doing the right thing?
InterestedObserver on May 24, 2013 at 3:46 PM
We have got to light a fire under our conservative leaders.. front benchers this time please..
mark81150 on May 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM
Fat, dopey liberal. I will enjoy voting against him more than most.
Jaibones on May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM
Christie…
Obama probably has taken a shower since meeting with Bruce Springsteen…
Electrongod on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM
…yeah, we know he’s a squish, but he is also the Governor of New Jersey. A guy like Cruz or even Rubio couldn’t get elected dog catcher in that state. Cut the big guy a break, he is undoubtedly better than whatever cookie cutter Dem would be sitting in that chair otherwise.
ndalager on May 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM
Christy, from a notoriously corrupt state like Obama’s Illinois, knows how the bread gets buttered. I wish he was a principled man, but he has done some good for Jersey. Let him stay there on the state level as the citizens feel fit via elections.
tom daschle concerned on May 24, 2013 at 3:53 PM
Absolutly right! The designated McCain will lose, whether it’s Christie, Rubio, Crist, Jeb or fill in the blank.
I wish we could some how change that, but the current GOP leadership he hard-wired to another designated McCain, (or Dole if you like).
Alabama Infidel on May 24, 2013 at 3:54 PM
Now serving dog on the Jersey boardwalk.
LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM
Aww. Christie really, really wuvs obama…he can be his new body man :) well, if he sheds two more hundred pounds that is… obama likes his body men lean :)
jimver on May 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM
There won’t be any strolling on the beach today.
It’s 50 degrees and raining on and off all day with wind on top of it.
So much for the Big C’s “the shore is open” nonsense along with all that global warming.
jersey taxpayer on May 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM
Another azzhole
Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM
With flowers, chocolates, soft music . . . and KY jelly?
AZCoyote on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM
Has Obama visited Oklahoma yet?
LtBarnwell02 on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM
The DEM VP,AG or SS cabinet position.
He’s going to be Huntsman * 1000(pds). If they can get past the scandals, Christie is going to be the lefts secret 100ton bunker buster.
“See, the current repub wingnut tbillies are so far gone that they even turned on their Conservative Hero Christie.”
Did Christie condemn the IRS, Benghazi response, AP, Rosen…? Has he addressed the scandals? He could do it in a non partisan way. Even Dear Leader managed “outrage”(or at least he used the word).
HA people, Christie is not running for the Repub Presidency. Like Doughboy wrote: He’s got his reelection locked up. This photo op further hurts him if he were to run as an R. And I do believe his French Kissing O ,from last year, would be re-run if he ran. He can’t run as an R and he knows it. He doesn’t want to.
BoxHead1 on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM
OT: Ryan Lizza (via Twitchy) reporting DOJ sought to keep Rosen in the dark about confiscating his E-mail for an extended period of time.
LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM
Christie’s worst enemy in any potential 2016 primary is probably Jon Huntsman, since the goal is to solidify a block of moderates during the early northeastern state primaries, as the lone moderate in the field, and let the other conservative hopefuls knock each other off. That plan falls apart if there are two squishy Republicans in the race splitting that vote, but Christie’s advantage is it’s easier to play that game from New Jersey than it is from Utah, since the media will have no problem trumpeting his in-your-face personality in the primaries (and destroy him for it in the general election, if he actually did win the primary).
jon1979 on May 24, 2013 at 4:18 PM
I think the White House is still threatening the victims’ families in Moore to invite Hussein for a campaign sppech when they hold funerals for their loved ones and so far, no invite.
I’m sure he has his speech uploaded to TOTUS, photogs and networks ready to fly on AF-1 on a short notice .
Until then,,,partay..partay…partay…
burrata on May 24, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Wrong crowd. Dead, white conservatives are a gift for this guy.
Trayvon Martin was definitely worth a “presidential” comment.
Gee…. there’s a pattern here, isn’t there!
Cody1991 on May 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Go to hell Christie. Just change yourself to (D) and get it overwith.
TX-96 on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM
This fat wad needs to sink into the nearest deep part of the ocean. He could feed the sharks for days.
avagreen on May 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM
We don’t care now you fat piece of crap, the election is over.
slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM
All due respect:
Christie is super fat.
And that is all the respect he is due.
Sherman1864 on May 24, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Obama is simply coming back to see how Christie’s pregnancy is coming along. I hear Obama is hoping for a son…
William Eaton on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM
They’ll tour the coast right after stopping off at the Registrar’s Office so Chris can drop off his change-of-party registration.
Another Drew on May 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM
That’s fine, gotta take some time for photo ops in the midst of all the scandals. That’s what politicians do. Has he ever thought to take a trip back to the Gulf since 140 gallons of oil spilled in it, though?
scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM
This was Ann Coultier’s big candidate for President.
“Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!”
flytier on May 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM
ha, make that 140 MILLION gallons
scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 4:49 PM
Time to make the “Obamistie” relationship public.
Happy Nomad on May 24, 2013 at 5:02 PM
Democrats in NJ are not worried their candidate will lose, because by 2014 Christie will have switched parties to become a Democrat.
albill on May 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM
Yes. please roll out the red carpet and Slurpee’s. After all, the President and Democrats in general have done so much for NJ. Which is why there is a Republican governor…whoops.
It’s very revealing how the governor shows his love for Obama when the treasury is dishing out other people’s money to pay for the states disasters. They’ve allowed people to build in those areas and now, strangely, after receiving the big Obama smooch and fist-fulls of our cash, they are rebuilding.
For years, NJ collected taxes from all the affected residents. Did they save any of it for a windy, wet day? Nope.
Christie is only a pragmatic economic denizens when it suits his political needs. We’ve seen what happens when a crisis strikes. The first casualty is financial discipline.
Marcus Traianus on May 24, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Mitt should have recruited this guy to play a dirty trick or two but nooooooo……
But did he just stay neutral? Nooooo…
The Dems and the media are having a persistently hard time destroying Christianity, capitalism, white people and the Bill of Rights in less than a decade.
They sorely welcome the help of all useful idiots in wrecking the country and relish the fools who embrace their own demise.
But Christe? Maybe there is some natural bond between guys who run corrupt governments, ever think of that?
IlikedAUH2O on May 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM
Whaaa, no invite yet?? Do the local IRS know, and what are they planning to do about it?
jimver on May 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Clash of Titans:
Snooki Ambushes Chris Christie at Jersey Shore
:)
INC on May 24, 2013 at 6:37 PM
The mayor of Tampa at the time, a dem, wouldn’t even go to the airport to greet President Bush so there must be some outs for state officials if they don’t want to meet an greet. CC wants to for political reasons which makes him just as bad as the rest of the crowd in DC. He goes along to get along.
Kissmygrits on May 25, 2013 at 9:40 AM
Good for you, Chris. Expect to stay in New Jersey for the duration, because they obviously need you more than we need you in the White House.
RebeccaH on May 25, 2013 at 5:50 PM