Another lesson for ObamaCare in Cash for Clunkers
posted at 1:37 pm on September 10, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Important correction: See update below.
Last night, Barack Obama insisted that the public option would keep insurers honest by competing with them on efficiency. “[B]y avoiding some of the overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits, excessive administrative costs and executive salaries, [the public option] could provide a good deal for consumers,” Obama explained in defending the inclusion of the key principle for progressives in the House bill. But does the Obama administration and this Congress have a good track record on creating low-overhead federal entitlement programs? Let’s take a look at the final numbers from Cash for Clunkers (via Rob Port):
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says the government has approved $1.22 billion in reimbursements to car dealers for sales under the Cash for Clunkers program. …
The rebates led to more than 690,000 new car sales at a taxpayer cost of $2.88 billion.
The math on this isn’t exactly rocket science. The administration blew 58% of the C4C money on overhead, leaving only 42% for the dealers and the car buyers. It amounts to $1.36 of administrative cost for every dollar in subsidies granted, a terrible conversion price for even Obama’s idea of redistributionism.
What if the Cash for Clunkers program had been a charity rather than a government program? The Better Business Bureau would likely have classified it as a fraud. According to their guidelines, a reputable charity should spend at least 65% of their money on their charitable programs and no more than 35% on internal costs. Anything less than 65% should alert contributors that the charity does not spend its money “honestly, prudently and in accordance with statements made in fund raising appeals.”
Bear this in mind when Obama talks about the low overhead of government programs.
Update: Rob Port has a corrected post, using data from Autoblog, which turns out to be more reliable than the AP:
Whoops, I read the article below a little too fast. The $1.22 billion number is the amount of rebates paid back so far. The remaining isn’t entirely administrative costs but also the amount of rebates yet unpaid. According to this article, though, the administrative costs to date have been $144 per rebate. That’s a lot of money for a simple car rebate, and with 690,000 rebates to process we’re talking over $100 million to process rebates for a program that lasted weeks. Still not every efficient.
Assuming that the average rebate comes out to $3500 (the program used a sliding scale), that comes to about a 4% overhead. That might not be bad for a health insurer, but for a rebate program? That seems like a lot of processing cost on the government end (for a worker earning $60K/year with benefits, about 5 hours for each claim), and it doesn’t count the cost of the dealer in filing and tracking the claims, either. Still, the AP article made it sound much, much worse.









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It’s not clear from that little blurb, but it seems the initial figure does not include the money remaining to be paid out, so we won’t know the real overhead until sometime after the payouts have completed.
pedestrian on September 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM
I am absolutely convinced that Obama can not be this incompetent. He has too much help to screw up this badly and consistently.
He’s trying to kill this country and he has lots of help.
Guardian on September 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Plus, wait til those cars get repossessed because the people who borrowed money to buy them can’t afford them. Also, who will buy in the next few months? No one.
bloggless on September 10, 2009 at 1:41 PM
Now I see how the socialized medicine bill can be revenue neutral.
Vashta.Nerada on September 10, 2009 at 1:42 PM
Their biggest talking point is that 2% medicare overhead. Why isn’t more effort by Republicans to debunk that?
p0s3r on September 10, 2009 at 1:42 PM
it IS a fraud: a blatant, stupid, partisan, dishonest, POS of a fraud.
‘Clunkers’ is emblematic of this administration, which is nothing more than an organized political-criminal conspiracy which unfortunately has the power of government.
Hard times a comin’………..
Janos Hunyadi on September 10, 2009 at 1:42 PM
“Let me be clear; these aren’t the, uh, drones you are looking for.”
Maquis on September 10, 2009 at 1:45 PM
Update: the overhead is about $144 per rebate, or $100 million.
Vashta.Nerada on September 10, 2009 at 1:45 PM
My alternate car got one, ONE, mile per gallon too good of gas mileage to qualify me to take advantage of this oh-so-sweet scam. Damnit. I would have liked to have received far more for it from C4C than it is worth and climbed into a brand spanking new car.
Now I have to help the ones that did get to take a bite out of this apple pay for it.
Sucks :(
SilverStar830 on September 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM
As I recall, a good number of civil service workers from other departments and agencies were levied to help C4C get the payments out, so would their wages be counted in the “overhead?” Who paid their wages? The actual overhead could be a lot more. Co-mingling of funding…not a legal practice, even within government.
A total of $3 billion was appropriated by Congress for C4C. If this is what they spent, then there are going to be a lot of disappointed car dealers who will not get paid.
If the O Administration cannot manage a paltry $3 billion…how they gonna manage $3+ Trillion?
coldwarrior on September 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM
And as we’ve heard from so many frustrated dealers and buyers, the administration of the program was a nightmare — despite the enormous cost.
AZCoyote on September 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Obama: Let me be clear, as I have always said, I inherited Cash for Clunkers.
Enoxo on September 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM
Curiosity cannot be stopped… have all of the dealers been paid yet? What’s the 411 on the “loans” they gave to the government being paid back–after all, they signed millions (billions?) in deals with the understanding that they would be immediately reimbursed, right?
Also, does it not strike anyone else as… um… worrisome that it’s the 10th of September and we’re doing the postmortem on this program that was supposed to run through October but was stopped more than a week ago because they ran out of money?
Dang, if this was a business, they wouldn’t even have had a chance to get the sign painted and hung yet!
Oh, and who says “overhead that gets eaten up at private companies by profits.” Profits are what you get AFTER you’ve paid overhead, dufus! Good grief! I need a Tylenol and a nap after that one.
UnderstandingisPower on September 10, 2009 at 1:47 PM
good post. Well done Ed.
ThackerAgency on September 10, 2009 at 1:47 PM
Acorn needed their cut for smuggling some of the twelve year old sex slaves that were given away with cars.
Hening on September 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM
He pretty much summed it up a while back with his comparison of the U.S. postal service to FedEX and UPS. The guys a left wing hack and a moron..
TrickyDick on September 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM
Per another site the 1.22B is the amount currently paid.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/less_than_half_of_cash_for_clunkers_spending_actually_went_to_dealers/
This site has the administrative costs at $144 per transaction. This is still high for reviewing perhaps four pages of relatively simple (compared to health claims) documentation and issuing a check.
Capitalist on September 10, 2009 at 1:50 PM
This needs an update. The government overhead may be as “little” as $100 million. See the Rob Port’s blog at the link above.
Socratease on September 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM
Wait a minute. If only 40% have been paid, then the overhead is a lot lower, isn’t it? Or are both numbers to date?
lorien1973 on September 10, 2009 at 1:53 PM
A government program that is inefficiently run? This deserves a Captain Louis Renault Award.
rbj on September 10, 2009 at 1:54 PM
I understand that my uncle, a life-long GM parts man, lost his job because the government was taking too long to get reimbursements to the dealership. He simply couldn’t afford to float the loan to the govt and pay his employees so they closed the doors.
eforhan on September 10, 2009 at 1:55 PM
Even if that were the correct number for Medicare’s overhead (which we know it’s not), it wouldn’t matter since Medicare suffers billions of dollars in fraud and abuse every year. It’s like a business owner boasting that he’s able to keep his overhead low by only hiring family members who’ll work for low wages — without mentioning that all the relatives working for his business are routinely stealing massive quantities of the business’ inventory.
AZCoyote on September 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM
Yes, there is a correction on the link. $144 per car ($100+ million) is the overhead, $1.22 billion paid, out of $2.88 billion to be paid.
Vashta.Nerada on September 10, 2009 at 1:57 PM
They’ll just get a govt bailout!
Sheez! And the govt wants to get involve with healthcare?! OMG!
Badger40 on September 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM
I may be wrong but I thought I read that $1.22-Bil represented the 40% of deals that have been approved, leaving 60% still sitting in some bureaucrat’s in-box waiting for them to get back from lunch.
That leaves me with this question: Do the dealers release the cars to the buyers before they get all their money or are 60% of the people who thought they bought a new car still waiting for the government to get back to them?
It may prove to be good practice for the doctor’s waiting room under Obamacare.
potkas7 on September 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM
AHAHAHAHAHA.
This has to be up for the “of the week” section.
RedNewEnglander on September 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM
Do even liberals believe this? There are things that gov’t should and/or must do – military, interstate highways – but I can’t think of a gov’t program that is more efficient than a private-sector counterpart. In what world would anyone believe that the gov’t can do something more cheaply and efficiently than a private company – who is doing it for profit?
Insurance companies have every incentive to keep costs down, including admin costs, to increase profit.
Monkeytoe on September 10, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Wasn’t there some lefty who recently went all ape-sh8t becuase evil rich people didn’t contribute to the right charities?
No doubt C4C’s failure would then have been blamed on evil rich people not contributing enough to it.
Scrappy on September 10, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I agree. What I hate is that I am forced to insure just about everything I do.
It’s really getting rediculous how much insurance Americans get forced into buying through one way or another i.e. state laws, etc.
Badger40 on September 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM
Obama inherited these clunkers built under the exploited labor during the first Bush Administration.
Looks like Obama had to step in and ration reimbursement to greedy filthy rich big car dealers.
seven on September 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM
You keep talking about “lessons” as though Obama and Co. actually care.
Think of the “lessons” as “torpedoes” and Obama yelling “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!” because that’s what appears to be happening.
venividivici on September 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Nice work, LaHood. Let me guess, Bill Cellini was the brains behind this cash cow, right? Hey Ray, I don’t see William Cellini around no more. He hangin’ out in D.C. these days, Ray? Or has be been hangin’ with the Feds? Just sayin’ …….
MayorDaley on September 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Efficiency (or lack thereof) is the story from Cash for Clunkers. If this is as fast as the government can process 4 page claims, what will happen with healthcare?
Margee on September 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Is there any study being done on how this idiotic program is going to affect the charitable car donation programs?
The federal government already had a program that would give a tax break in exchange for a car donation to the Salvation Army, etc.
The cars were then given to low-income individuals so they could get to work.
So I’m sure that took a hit. Which would be mentioned if this were a Republican idea to bail out a multi-billion dollar corporation, wouldn’t it?
But it was a Democrat idea that left the poor without transport, so hard cheese.
NoDonkey on September 10, 2009 at 2:18 PM
Any program that takes 5 hours to process a claim that essentially certifies a car deal qualified for the program is at least 4 hours too long.
highhopes on September 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM
The once great American automobile company, GM, (now a shell of it’s former self, but curiously called, GM) to lay-off 1000 workers. Good work Obama. Now he has saved or created 1 million minus 1000 jobs.
http://detroitnews.com/article/20090910/AUTO01/909100356/GM-to-lay-off-about-1-000
JiangxiDad on September 10, 2009 at 2:28 PM
I am absolutely convinced that Obama can not be this incompetent. He has too much help to screw up this badly and consistently.
He’s trying to kill this country and he has lots of help.
Guardian on September 10, 2009
The lefty’s will say this is crazy talk. What American president would want to harm this country? Why, you would have to hate America as it was founded to want to want to tear it down or “fundamentally transform” it, right?
Yep…crazy.
SKYFOX on September 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM
OH but that will certainly go much faster & better, don’t you know.
And of course there will be no ‘death panels’.
They of course will have some other fancy name so as which to disguise their true evil purposes.
My head is spinning…..
Badger40 on September 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Heh. Of course that goes with the same tier of thought as the “Constitution is a living, breathing document”.
Badger40 on September 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM
Liberals believe what they’re told to believe, didn’t you know that?
larvcom on September 10, 2009 at 2:32 PM
More C4C heartache?
Tom
marinetbryant on September 10, 2009 at 2:40 PM
So I guess we will need a Bailout for the Cash for Clunkers program.
I appears that when some people become politicians, they seem to forget how everything else works. If something sounds too good to be true, than it more than likely is!
Per my remedial calculations, Govt. Administrative cost would range between 10 – 12% of the average $3500.00 Rebate. This is only admin cost! What about the expenses of the dealers: Storage, disposal, and administrative expenses. Who pays this?
Another good program brought to us by Hussein and his Posse of Clowns!
BigMike252 on September 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM
Efficient government. A critter right next to the jack-a-lope on the ESL.
Limerick on September 10, 2009 at 3:31 PM
That’s what you get for being responsible! You probably pay your mortgage, too. Sucker.
RegularJoe on September 10, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Obama demonstrates perfectly his lack of understanding around business by classifying ‘profits’ as overhead.
ElRonaldo on September 10, 2009 at 3:56 PM
In case someone missed it, many dealers who gave the rebate are not going to get it because they did not fill out the paperwork precisely right. The numbers need to show how many of those 690,000 were or will be rejected and not paid out. Of course we should already know this answer since the efficent goverment run program was suppose to take ten days to get the rebates back to the dealers. The cost of processing the paperwork for the rebates is a business expense that was agreed or realized when the dealers took the deal, but dealers work in a system of borrowing money to buy the cars to sell, which is repaid after sale. The cars have been sold but either the profit is not gained or there remains an outstanding balance, either of which constitutes lost revenue paid out as interest, or loss because it could not be reinvested, or required borrowed money to replace it.
Franklyn on September 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM
Has anyone visited a car dealer since the end of c4c? I’m curous to know if it’s a ghost town these days as all the people who were going to buy in Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec all bought in August instead.
angryed on September 10, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Their problem is they called in a bunch of GS-15 types, not realizing they needed a bunch of minimum wage clericals. The GS-15′s couldn’t do the job.
Oleta on September 10, 2009 at 5:00 PM
I’ve been thinking about the actual cost of the program. It is something to the tune of $10,000 per car for a discount of $3500 to $4500 per car.
First they had to pay out 2.88 billion. They will finance that in perpetuity at, say, 5% interest. That essentially doubles the cost.
Then you add in the cost of the loss of the actual value of the clunkers traded in and disposed.
In the end the govt. contracted the size of the economy well 3 trillion over time due to this program and cost the tax payers over double that. In the present the NPV of the program would still have to be negative as well.
trollkiller on September 10, 2009 at 6:53 PM
Profit isn’t “overhead,” it’s profit.
He doesn’t have a clue how businesses actually work, does he?
29Victor on September 10, 2009 at 9:48 PM
The only thing that will be worse than them spending more on administrative costs (aka money laundering) is when the Acorn buyers default on their auto loans creating another credit crisis.
njpat on September 10, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Thetruly ironic thing is that this program uses taxpayer money, filtered through a bureaucracy, to destroy real goods in aid of convincing people to run up debt in a recession.
Even if the program itself were 100% efficient, the project would still be almost 100% waste.
It’s kind of mind-boggling how stupid people in large groups can be. That this insanity ever got off the ground…
Merovign on September 11, 2009 at 12:06 AM