Blue Dog: Town halls convinced me to oppose public option
posted at 10:55 am on September 9, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
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Did the August town hall protests have an effect on Congress? Enough so that at least one Blue Dog Democrat admitted it convinced him to oppose the public option in the health-care overhaul bill. Rep. Mike Ross (D-AR) announced his opposition this morning, crediting his constituents for his moment of clarification:
Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), the Blue Dog congressman who battled with Democratic Party leaders for much of July before reaching an agreement on health-care reform legislation, said Tuesday that he could no longer back the government-insurance option included in the bill he voted for before the congressional recess.
“I have been skeptical about the public health insurance option from the beginning and used August to get feedback from you, my constituents,” he wrote in a statement his office released publicly. “An overwhelming number of you oppose a government-run health insurance option, and it is your feedback that has led me to oppose the public option as well.”
While no other members of the Blue Dog Coalition signed the statement, Ross’ comments could be the first sign of hardening opposition to the public option among the Blue Dogs, a group of 52 conservative House Democrats, many of whom represent districts President Obama lost last year. Before the recess, the group had been divided on the public option, but Ross has been one of its leaders on health care issues, forcing House Democratic leaders to make a number of changes to the bill before it passed in the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
The Hill reports that returning members of both chambers have become very aware of the bill’s unpopularity, and will almost certainly adjust their thinking — even perhaps Democratic leadership:
Political momentum appeared to swing sharply against the public health insurance option prized by liberals Tuesday, on the eve of President Barack Obama’s address to a joint session of Congress.
Democratic leaders in the House and Senate on Tuesday signaled they are increasingly willing to pass healthcare reform without a public insurance option, even while Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) again insisted it must be included in a House healthcare bill. …
But a Democratic leadership aide who sat in on an administration briefing Tuesday said that while Obama will offer support Wednesday for a public option, the president will not insist on it.
“He’s going to say it’s the best tool for reducing costs,” the aide said. “I think he’s going to be a bit noncommittal.”
In the Senate, Joe Lieberman (I-CT) said that the time was not right to add a new government agency while deficits explode and the economy still struggles to bottom out. Susan Collins (R-ME) also voiced skepticism about creating a public option under current conditions. Any hope of bipartisan compromise would have to rest on Collins, Olympia Snowe (R-ME), and Lieberman. If none of those are on board, Democrats will not likely move a bill out of the Senate at all.
Progressives will watch Obama’s speech carefully to look for smoke signals:
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), who has predicted 100 Democrats would oppose a healthcare bill with no public option, said the speech is likely to decide whether it is included in a bill.
“We can cobble the votes together for a public option if the president says that’s what he wants,” Weiner said. “If he gives it up, there’s no other way to interpret that than as a retreat.”
That sounds like a retreat from Weiner himself, who publicly demanded “Medicare for all” on national television during the break. It also highlights the leadership failure of the White House. We’re now five months into the debate on health-care reform, and Weiner is looking for semaphores in a joint-session speech?
He’ll probably have to have an eagle eye to catch any sort of signal. Obama has spent the last four weeks waffling on what he had previously demanded as key components of his overhaul. The President has had plenty of time to get firm; in fact, Robert Gibbs said last week that Obama would put out a plan of his own, which now has been walked back to a list of fundamental principles that will appear in tonight’s speech. It’s not exactly a leadership tour de force, and it’s unlikely to get any better tonight.
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It’s amazing what you can learn when you take a moment to listen to the people who elected you.
Or at least it’s amazing what you can pretend to have learned in order to use it as leverage to get a slightly different bill passed instead.
DrAllecon on September 9, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Rahm’s poodles will do as they’re told.
spmat on September 9, 2009 at 11:01 AM
If Obama can’t even commit one way or another to the public option in tonight’s speech, then he’s lost this debate. Even the hardcore leftists will get tired of his act.
Doughboy on September 9, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.)
This guy is so appropriately named. I saw him interviewed on Fox and Friends about 1-2 wks ago. He is a condescending, look-down-his-big-nose type of NYC type who sees himself as better, smarter and more talented than everyone else in the room. I’m surprised Brian Kilmeade didn’t punch him.
ted c on September 9, 2009 at 11:03 AM
+1 Keep up the fight.
Vashta.Nerada on September 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM
The whole idea of this speech tonight just floors me.
Obama said the time for talk was over two months ago. He demanded a vote on some bill before recess because the time was now (a month ago). He told the people who caused the mess to shut up and let him fix it a month ago. He had a prime time presser and multiple townhalls to sell people on a bill to be passed before the reccess.
Tonight is just a pure admission that the administration is lost at sea and was never ready to lead.
If Obama actually shows up for the speech tonight we should be able to hold a no confidence vote tomorrow morning and remove him from office.
myrenovations on September 9, 2009 at 11:05 AM
More sacrifices to the god Underbus…!
The One never stands to blame for failure, since it can always be attributed to someone else.
Wanderlust on September 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM
So what else is new? Let’s all vote “present” shall we?
In other words, Obama was once again bullsheiting us when they told us he himself was going to write the bill.
***face palm***
Knucklehead on September 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Great, some adult you are. You listen to a few days worth of tantrums thrown by grown men and women, many of whom don’t even know what they’re talking about…and you actually change your mind? You know, democrats deserve the political wilderness just as bad as republicans right now.
ernesto on September 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Which means a regurgitated version of what he allowed congress to put together. Has Obama ever had an original thought/idea in his life?
Umm…I’m thinking no.
Puddleglum on September 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM
What a wiener.
farright on September 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM
On the general topic, but off the specific topic of the post, I encourage all to read a short Forbes article linked at NRO today:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/08/health-care-competition-reform-opinions-contributors-obama-speech_print.html
Although it omits any mention of tort reform (nobody’s perfect), it does lay out a concrete destruction of the myth of 47 million uninsured and it offers five commonsense prescriptions for healthcare reform. Read it and compare it to what Obama suggests tonight. And then wonder why the hell anyone voted for Obama and the other liberal clowns.
As a teaser, here’s the author’s take on the 47 million uninsured:
BuckeyeSam on September 9, 2009 at 11:13 AM
ernesto on September 9, 2009 at 11:07 AM
You’re right. Why should he listen to his constituency? After all, the American Public serves the Congress and the Administration. They don’t owe us anything…like their jobs. /sarc
kingsjester on September 9, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Who said that ALL Democrats are stupid… Some of them are deferring to the INSTINCT OF SURVIVAL…
It’s 1968 again… And I believe they are RUNNING SCARED…
Khun Joe on September 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I call BS. Many of these Blue Dogs resented getting railroaded in June when the American Clean Energy and Security Act was being debated (which he voted against) and are taking it out on this bill.
I believe him, he’s probably been against this since June. But now he’s just trying to kiss up to those that went to town halls because he knows GOP districts (his is GOP +7) will be the most likely to fall in 2010.
LastRick on September 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Here’s to hoping they don’t wilt under o’s speech tonight!I don’t understand how hard it is to just say No!
ohiobabe on September 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM
If Ross had paid a little more attention, he might have figured out that the general public — that is, anyone not at the public trough in federal and state governments — wants D.C. to stay the hell away from messing with health care.
“Reform,” it ain’t. We have GM, Chrysler, AIG and the rest of the failed attempts at government intervention as shining examples of what Congress can do when it wants to throw steaming piles of dung at the citizens.
What we really need tonight from Osama Obama is a resignation speech. If he did that, and if all the corrupt, arrogant greedheads in the House and Senate went with him, it probably wouldn’t take more than 10 or 20 years to get the country back on its feet….
MrScribbler on September 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM
RAHM to any BLUEDOG (expletives deleted):
Look, Sport, I gotta $100,000 minimum to throw into your primary. Either for or against you.
And if you don’t vote our way, I’ll personally find a primary opponent and he gets the money along with our local help as well, you know the union boys and the teachers, you name it.
You go along, you get the money and all our love.
Your move.
TXUS on September 9, 2009 at 11:16 AM
The question is, with everyone looking at a trigger now, could this just be a ploy he is using to look like he is opposing the public option?
hmmmmm.
therightscoop on September 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Anyone who disagrees with you is just having a tantrum.
How liberal of you.
MarkTheGreat on September 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM
What do you expect from a far left lap dog of a president that is expected to rubber stamp anything coming out of congress? I’ll bet Nancy herself is writing his speech tonight, which of course will be regurgitated from TOTUS.
Phil-351 on September 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM
I bet just about everybody can already list his “fundamental principles”. If Obama really wants anyone to pay attention to what he says, he is going to have to draft a law! But it’s almost like he doesn’t know how to do it. Didn’t this guys spend time in the IL and US Senate? Doesn’t he know how to create legislation? (That last question is rhetorical, and if you don’t already know the answer then you haven’t been paying attention.)
drocity on September 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Listening to one’s constituents is total BS! What does he think this country is, a republic or something?
Missy on September 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM
So what are you saying ernesto? That a Representative shouldn’t represent what his/her constituants actually want? Isn’t that the reason for electing a Rep in the first place?
ladyingray on September 9, 2009 at 11:19 AM
In other words- ignore the whims of the peasants; they exist only to serve the noblemen classes. They should be happy to shut up and let their betters do their thinking for them, right?
Hollowpoint on September 9, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I would still like to know why the government can do a better job of making my decisions for me than I can?
I would also like to know what they do not understand about the phrase, “Stay out of my life, my health and away from my children!” I mean, it seems pretty clear to me what my desires in this area are, but again we come back to the opening question.
Short answer, they can’t.
TKSnider on September 9, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I don’t know who he can blame for this one. He’s trying to pass it off on the GOP, but even MSDNC can’t make that argument for him.
I just don’t see how this speech tonight changes anything(at least not in his favor). If he plans on going full speed ahead with HR 3200 or a clone of it, he’ll piss off even more independents and Republicans. If he drops the public option, there go the libs and nutroots. And we know there’s no way in Hades he’s going with a GOP reform bill centered around tort reform, more competition, and health savings accounts.
It’s a lose-lose proposition.
Doughboy on September 9, 2009 at 11:21 AM
To add to my previous post, here’s the stimulus bill (ARRA) roll call from early this year: Ross voted for it. So my guess is he “got convinced” sometime b/w February and June when he realized his constituents back home did not agree with his policies.
LastRick on September 9, 2009 at 11:21 AM
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Ive never accused Krauthammer or Steyn or Will of throwing a tantrum…because they dont. Plenty of the yelling screaming ‘real americans’ in the town halls threw tantrums.
If anything, I wonder more why his constituents voted for a democrat, and why he ran as one. Their fault for voting a dem, a legislator is absolutely within his right to determine that a few vocal constituents aren’t worth changing his position over.
ernesto on September 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM
OT, on the bright side, social security ran a deficit in August of $6 billion. That makes 7 of the last 12 months in deficit….
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sstf-shocker-6b-august-deficit
Vashta.Nerada on September 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Was it the number of voices, the decibel level, or the sunlight gleaming from the pitchforks?
bloviator on September 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM
Has Obama ever written any legislation? Does he even know how to begin to write legislation? Has Obama ever really done anything in his life which he can take full credit for?..besides running the country into the ground i mean. Anything of any substance. Please Dems….point to just one.
PappaMac on September 9, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Who will walk out on the speech first? The liberals or the Republicans?
SouthernGent on September 9, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Doesn’t work like that though. Guys like Ross and Shuler, both in districts with considerable GOP advantages in a normal year (much less a year when things are breaking against Democrats), aren’t going to quiver due to threats of being primaried from the Left. Look no further than the fact that Shuler has been against the public option for quite some time. If Rahm tries to primary Shuler (and Ross) from the left, he may very well be successful (especially if the primary is closed); but in doing so, makes it easier for the GOP to win the district. If they try to primary Shuler from the Right, then the Democratic Party is no better off after mid-term elections: a party with representatives from far-Left to moderate-Right and they’re left fighting amongst themselves again.
LastRick on September 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM
I don’t see that happening. You only see that in movies like The Contender.
I am however very curious to see how Pelosi reacts if Obama drops the public option. You know she’ll stand up and applaud about 500 times tonight throughout the rest of the speech, but that moment should be very telling.
Doughboy on September 9, 2009 at 11:28 AM
Normally I’d be inclined to agree but these guys want to get re-elected so….
Yakko77 on September 9, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Serving the people who elect you to office.
What a concept!!!!!
bridgetown on September 9, 2009 at 11:29 AM
Ernesto-I think his primary focus is to get reelected. He has no firm principles. I agree with you totally on one point, the the Democrats deserve to wander in the political wilderness.
TXMomof3 on September 9, 2009 at 11:30 AM
ernesto on September 9, 2009 at 11:22 AM
A few? Go back and count again.
gina4 on September 9, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Too bad the “few vocal constituents” just so happen to represent the majority opinion.
Hollowpoint on September 9, 2009 at 11:32 AM
Well, perhaps the fact that Krauthammer, Steyn, et.al, have the opportunity to air their views/opinions to millions every week has something to do with their relative calm. Your average voter, on the other hand, who finally has had enough of government meddling in their lives, decides to call or write their congressman and is subsequently belittled, marginalized, called names, hung up on, and ignored.
That would provoke a little frustration, I’d think.
Puddleglum on September 9, 2009 at 11:33 AM
Amazing a politician that listens to the people he works for.
Novel concept
gophergirl on September 9, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Get with the program Right Wing Extremist Comrade.
He Won!!!
Knucklehead on September 9, 2009 at 11:36 AM
Uh, because that was Rahm’s master plan: run Democrats as moderates in GOP districts and win due to GOP-voter apathy and distaste for W. It worked like a charm, except Rahm forgot you still have to govern afterwards and that’s tough when you’re trying to get districts in San Francisco and western NC to agree.
LastRick on September 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM
As usual, you are redefining tantrum.
How is raising your voice, throwing a tantrum.
What about the vast majority of voters who didn’t even raise their voices?
Why do you constantly try to malign those who’s only sin is disagreeing with your messiah?
MarkTheGreat on September 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM
It must have been my phone call.
Diane on September 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM
When politicians look down their noses at you, call you names and dont want to listen to what their constituents say…Id yell at them too!
As for not knowing what they were talking about…they know waaay more than the Prez and the Congress did about that bill.
becki51758 on September 9, 2009 at 11:40 AM
The point was made, briefly, on another thread, that Pelosi
‘has the votes’ meaning she has identified 37 house democrats in the most vulnerable seats who can vote against the bill, and the bill still passes.
This guy is most likely one of them.
Meanwhile, in the senate. . . .
Skandia Recluse on September 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM
First of all, Sporto, it was more than “a few”. You are forgiven for thinking otherwise, based on being half of Olbermann’s audience.
Secondly, Eric Massa in NY is taking your advice and ignoring the will of his constituents. He knows he’s gonna get tossed out of office for it, too, and it will have been for naught, since ObamaCare isn’t going to happen.
In other words, you’re advocating political suicide over one issue that isn’t going to materialize anyway. My hope…nay, my prayer, is that the Dems hire you as a political adviser.
crushliberalism on September 9, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I wonder that as well. I also wonder if his real position was to vote against it, but gave into some arm twisting. Maybe this just gave him an “out”.
Yes his primary focus is to get re-elected. That is probably true of 100% of Congress that don’t plan to retire. I’m convinced that nearly that many don’t have any firm principles and can be bribed with pork.
ladyingray on September 9, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Glad that O has decided to back off proposing his own legislation plan.
Question: isn’t is a breach of the separation of powers for the President (Exec Branch) to write legislation and propose/introduce it to Congress (Legislative Branch). Smacks of un-Constitutional to me.
Perhaps that is why The Won has decided to do what the Exec is supposed to do – outline his “fundamental principles” for legislation. Does anyone know if a sitting President has written and/or submitted legislation to Congress before?
DINORight on September 9, 2009 at 11:43 AM
You can keep trying to paint opposition to this bill as just a handful of voters throwing temper tantrums, but the numbers tell a different story.
Most Congresspeople and especially Blue Dogs are smart enough (barely, in some cases, but enough) to understand that thousands upon thousands of people turning out for town halls in the middle of vacation season in order to oppose Obamacare represents significant opposition to the bill.
Sure, they might decide to walk the plank for Barry and Rahm, but they know what’s waiting for them at the end of it.
Missy on September 9, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Conversely, once elected a legislator is not duty bound to vote in lock-step with the filthy liar in the White House and the corrupt Democrat party. Sometimes a bad bill is a bad bill no matter how many times evil people get up and lie about the intent and consequences.
highhopes on September 9, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Ernesto is clearly one of those kamikaze liberals. He doesn’t care about the body count so long as the radical agenda of the filthy liar and the corrupt Democrat Party gets passed by party-line votes. Ross might not be into political suicide defending an idea that is unpopular with the majority of thinking Americans.
highhopes on September 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM
There are some bluedog districts where I’ll agree with you, especially about primarying to the left.
But, these guys are scortched earth Chicago players, who’ll find and support a replacement who might even vote the same, just to send the message.
I’ve had two BDs tell me this is what’s going on, and I have no reason to doubt them.
TXUS on September 9, 2009 at 11:49 AM
Miss!
ladyingray on September 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM
This so called Blue Dog or lap dog as Sean Hannity calls them is CONVENIENTLY NOW against the public option after he voted to allow it to get out of committee, i.e., bill with public option cannot be stopped in the house even with his vote against it, and he knows it. This is a game the dems play: support socialized med by pushing it out of committee and then trying to save his job with voters by saying, “but I voted against it.” People need to be told that, and these blue lap dogs should not be allowed to get away with it. This is another piece of info that conservatives need to mention at every turn so ordinary voters who don’t understand the inner workings of Washington don’t get fooled.
immigrantchick on September 9, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Now that’s real LEADERSHIP. Can always count on Barry putting NOTHING ON PAPER. You can’t see it, you can’t track it.
GarandFan on September 9, 2009 at 12:30 PM
Knucklehead, you sure are dumb and if you call people comrades, you only serve to more damage your idiotic cause of outdated socilaism/fascism/communism, whatever form your ism takes. . Some of us wanted BO to win, just for such reasons, that he will likely destroy the political climate for democrats in the long term for many years, as he is doing, exactly asI thought he would. I said this during the election on may posts and I am beign proven right. If McCain had won, we would have amnesty by now and other stupid things like cap and trade and other things that will relegate the repubs to stupid moderate minority status forever. Nw, we have a chance to not only take back Congress, but a chance for this country to awake and kick out the liberals for many many years, until they start pretending ot be moderates again. this is a conservative country, has been and will continue to be and if you don’t like it, move to Russia or socialist Europe. Oh wait, Europe is turning against socialism, so I would suggest Venezuela. Good riddance.
immigrantchick on September 9, 2009 at 12:33 PM
When Obama hints that he may be open to killing the public option tonight, he will immediately wink to the left side of the room. This will be the signal to make sure to sneak it through the back door steathily.
stldave on September 9, 2009 at 12:37 PM
I know Massa’s constituents they are a bunch of Lexus liberals so he’ll have no problem getting re-elected. He’s in as tight as Louise Slaughter whose constituents are half functioning retards.
Thank God we have some sanity in the 26th district and elected Chris Lee.
Caper29 on September 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM
obama will lie. the dems will vote for it because pelosi & rahm tell them to do so.
it all falls to us to vote them out. the bottom line, it has always fallen to us.
kelley in virginia on September 9, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Let me be clear….”Present”.
connertown on September 9, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Um…how long have you been posting at HA? Reading posts at HA?
Not very long, I’d wager…
ladyingray on September 9, 2009 at 1:33 PM
I am floored that it takes anyone to tell someone the obvious.
A lot of Americans may be confused about the ins & outs of health care- but they do know one thing:
Tying up health care with more govt red tape will be disaster.
And forcing people to have health insurance? Well it’s the same strong arm tacticts that force us all to insure everything we own.
Litigation litigation litigation.
Way too much of it.
But instead of going after lawyers, we’ll just go after the symptom, like rising health care costs.
Badger40 on September 9, 2009 at 1:48 PM
Anthony Whiner the classic definition of a schmuck
PatriotRider on September 9, 2009 at 2:07 PM
Rush today pointed out on his show that this 1400 page bill was probably in Waxman’s desk drawer for the past 15 years. He said this bill is too intricate to just have been written this year. He said they just pulled it out and dusted it off and updated it.
We know now that the stimulus bill was written by those special interest groups that are now part of the czar corp in the White House, which is why it wasn’t really a stimulus bill. Those 34 czars got all of their liberal pet projects funded. I hope the 2 Maine gals really understand that they funded enemies of our country under the guise of “stimulus funding” that did not do jack beans about helping to create/”save” jobs. Those 2 gals made it possible for that mess of a bill to get passed.
And to think neither of them are up for election this year. We have to wait until 2012 and 2014 to try to de-throne them. Sigh.
karenhasfreedom on September 9, 2009 at 2:15 PM
I know Massa’s constituents they are a bunch of Lexus liberals so he’ll have no problem getting re-elected.
He lost in 2006, and he barely won last year. I wouldn’t exactly call that a reliably blue district. Plus with him having gone to the nutroots gathering and saying “I support a single-payer system” and “I will readily vote against the will of my constituents”, I think he’s as good as gone.
crushliberalism on September 9, 2009 at 2:39 PM
immigrantchick, there’s an implied /sarcasm tag after Knucklehead’s post. We know and love Knucklehead. :-)
OT: See some of you in DC in mere days! You’ll know me by the Hot Air logo printed out and taped to my hat.
Mary in LA on September 9, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Hey Democrats: fear our vote
Black Adam on September 9, 2009 at 3:25 PM
The “Blue Dogs” can’t be that stupid. If they vote this in not only is their career over, but they might as well move as every normal non-Commie American will DESPISE anyone, Democrat, Republican or Independent that votes for this killer of our nation. I’m including any kind of compromise.
Vote it down, burn the bill, bury it under the D.C. swamps and never even whisper a word of this treasonous crapola.
Jeff from WI on September 9, 2009 at 4:05 PM
I wonder if this will all blow up in Obama’s face?
Terrye on September 9, 2009 at 4:39 PM
I hope he sticks with it. I spoke to him at one of the town halls and twice over the phone. I believe I convinced him of how serious I was when I told him that I won’t promise to vote for him, but if he continued to be a rubber stamp I would sell all I owned, right down to the underwear off my … assets to get him defeated.
ArkCon on September 9, 2009 at 5:56 PM
Ed, from your last two paragraphs:
“Weiner failure…. five months is plenty of time to get firm…. Robert Gibbs said Obama would put out…. appear unlikely to get any tonight.”
Knuckledragger on September 9, 2009 at 7:06 PM
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