Pelosi and Reid to Obama: We’ve got the votes to pass ObamaCare; Update: Snowe iffy?

posted at 8:21 pm on September 8, 2009 by Allahpundit

Didn’t Madam Speaker tell us this six weeks ago, shortly before the plug was pulled?

I’m skeptical.

The president told House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., that it is important for them to pass health care reform bills soon, the sources said.

Both leaders told the president that despite the difficult rough and tumble of the legislative process in the last few weeks, they are optimistic that both the House and Senate can pass health care reform legislation.

So they had a private meeting, on the eve of Obama’s big speech, at which no one really knows what was said … and came out afterwards preaching victory? Quite a bombshell. One minor detail that’s omitted: Which proposals, precisely, do they have enough votes to pass? The public option? A “trigger” for the public option? Health-care co-ops? A mandate to buy coverage? The One might have lowered his demands to the point where only the barest bones reform plan is still on the table; assuming that they do have the votes, the fact that he wants something passed immediately only proves how fragile the coalition must be. Indeed, one of the top Blue Dogs called the public option a “dealbreaker” yesterday — right around the same time that lefty Obama supporters were threatening to abandon The One entirely if he doesn’t cram the public option down America’s throat.

I think this is a bluff, but it’s serious enough that now might be a good time to phone your representatives. Exit question: Is The One going to turn it all around tomorrow night? Hmmmmm.

Update: Is even the RINO-iest RINO having second thoughts?

I met with the Senator personally during the August recess back here in Maine when she spoke with dozens of Maine folks in a series of health care talks throughout the state. Here is what I learned: She is worried about costs and the impact on the deficit, the public option plan is “off the table”, she wants more private insurance companies in Maine (we have 3), and she doesn’t support higher taxes – especially during a recession.

Those concerns and opinions were not from “unnamed sources,” they were straight from Senator Snowe…

So, my suggestion to the White House: put away your shovels, there is no Snowe in the forecast.

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How would you like to put your career in the hands of these two idiots.

d1carter on September 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM

in theory they have the votes for something. That means pretty much nothing.

rob verdi on September 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Nan and Harry said that with their fingers crossed behind their backs….

cmsinaz on September 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM

No they don’t. I don’t think they even have 55 in the Senate.

If this goes through the Senate – it’s going reconciliation and I hope like hell the GOP has the guts to bring the Senate to a screeching halt.

gophergirl on September 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Larry, Moe and Curly!

chickasaw42 on September 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Sarah Palin smacks down Obamacare in WSJ.

promachus on September 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM

They’re trying to stop the bleeding–THEIR bleeding, and Hussein’s

Janos Hunyadi on September 8, 2009 at 8:25 PM

the dynamic trio talks too much and does too little….your blue dogs go against the will of the voter we’ll win back control Harry, Barry, and Nan so quit singin’ it and bring it.

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM

They’d better be right.

If they _do_ try to pass it and fail,they’ll never recover.

I wonder if they know something we don’t?

Scott H on September 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM

Nancy: “We’ve got the votes.”

Obama: “How? Those town halls were brutal.”

Harry: “What town halls?”

fogw on September 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM

I think they will try to pass something, anything, just to make this go away.

Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM

“Damn the town halls, full speed ahead!”

*TORPEDOED*

Orange Doorhinge on September 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM

I’m sorry- did I imagine the last six weeks, or what?

anniekc on September 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Obama’s speech tomorrow . OH I bet there is a college game on at that time that will be much more palatable to most. Hell Lifetime movies likely has something much more worthwhile.

CWforFreedom on September 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Yes, just like Drudge said they had the votes back in July prior to them leaving for break to take it to the floor. Riiiight. Believe it when I see it.

txmomof6 on September 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM

Pass it already. Nazi palousy is a lying sack of dog feces.
I wonder what is going through the Nazi’s mind. Come on tthis old skank was in her mid 30′s when the depression sstarted. Did she like it that much?

Old Texan on September 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM

I think this is a bluff, but it’s serious enough that now might be a good time to phone your representatives. Exit question: Is The One going to turn it all around tomorrow night? Hmmmmm.

I think it is a bluff or an attempt at a hail mary pass. I find it hard to believe how a single speech with the same old talking points is going to sway public opinion at this point.

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:29 PM

I think this is a bluff, but it’s serious enough that now might be a good time to phone your representatives.

And tell them what exactly? “I’m watching you.” I just mean it’s hard to speak without knowing exactly will be in the bill.

kc8ukw on September 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Trying to scare the fencesitters into place.

WisCon on September 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

Nancy (to Obama: “We’ve got the votes, now…”
fogw on September 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM

“…Get out OUR army to make sure it sticks!”

Liam on September 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

I think they will try to pass something, anything, just to make this go away.

Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 8:28 PM

I agree, I suspect they’ll get Snowy McCain Collins to cave on the public option or some specious self-defeating ‘trigger’ that will result in it being pulled before 2013, the ONLY way we lose over time on this is if we give it enough “bi-partisan” cover to legitimize it….

were we not already in such deep debt I’d say it’d buy the mules the 20-40 years it usually takes to fail….

but when Uncle Chicom cancels our Bank of Mao visa card I am thinking more like 3-12 after it starts.

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:31 PM

OWN IT.

Then the Republicans can run on a REPEAL platform in 2010.

Techie on September 8, 2009 at 8:31 PM

So what happens when teh socialist medicine bill gets passed? Will the teabaggers be out rioting in the streets? Should be highly entertaining.

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Ohhhh they’d BETTER NOT try this. If they thought the Town Halls were a “little rough”, they don’t want to see what comes next, if they try one of their midnight express votes.

Just try it, Nancy. Just try.

Fishoutofwater on September 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Sarah Palin just completely let the air outta Obama’s balloon with a piece posted less than an hour ago at Wall Street Journal. Someone above linked it.

She destroyed him. He’s a smoking wreckage, trolls, go pick up the pieces of Dear Leader. See if all the kings horses and his girly men can put him together again.

ted c on September 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM

in theory they have the votes for something. That means pretty much nothing.

rob verdi on September 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM

Exactly. The details like inclusion of a public option or the federal funding of abortion will break the bill’s support- with the public anyway. I like the idea of making a pre-emptive strike on the Congress and welcome them back to their jobs with a reminder that those of us who had to work through the month of August haven’t changed our minds on this legislation.

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM

Someone tell me why I shouldn’t have this losing feeling.

PaCadle on September 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM

They’d better be right.

If When they _do_ try to pass it and fail,they’ll never recover.

I wonder if they know something we don’t?

Scott H on September 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM

ted c on September 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Well then pass it you pri*ks!! Then start considering what life will be like in the private sector.

BigWyo on September 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Will the teabaggers be out rioting in the streets? Should be highly entertaining.

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM

Before, after, or during when the extremists who aren’t in Obama’s camp start stringing libs like you from telephone poles?

Liam on September 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Someone tell me why I shouldn’t have this losing feeling.

PaCadle on September 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Because it all has to get past the Senate first.

Liam on September 8, 2009 at 8:35 PM

And tell them what exactly? “I’m watching you.” I just mean it’s hard to speak without knowing exactly will be in the bill.

kc8ukw on September 8, 2009 at 8:30 PM

There is nothing wrong with a “I’ll be watching” message. Better yet, tell them what you support and what you don’t if there is some part of this bill you like (I think it should be killed and started anew with a legitimate framework, not the socialist wish list).

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM

It’s my understanding that any Senator, at any time can request that a bill being voted on be read into the record. Why doesn’t one lone Senator force this procedure and cram that crap sandwich down the throats of those voting for it? By the time it’s done being read, the American people will have had enough time to rally against it.

Serves them right for constructing something longer than Moby Dick!

BryanS on September 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM

Will the teabaggers be out rioting in the streets? Should be highly entertaining.

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM

We are the angry mob. We know where you live.

*snicker*

fogw on September 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM

So what happens when teh socialist medicine bill gets passed? Will the teabaggers be out rioting in the streets? Should be highly entertaining.

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM

I don’t know. Maybe you should be a ‘man’ on the street and go to a protest in person and report back. Be sure and run your mouth like you do on Hot Air.

BigWyo on September 8, 2009 at 8:36 PM

If they’ve got the votes, pass it. (But then if they had the votes in mid-summer, why did they punt?)

I think they don’t want to OWN this thing.

DrStock on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Here is the text of Sarah’s Op-Ed from the WSJ.

By SARAH PALIN
Writing in the New York Times last month, President Barack Obama asked that Americans “talk with one another, and not over one another” as our health-care debate moves forward.

I couldn’t agree more. Let’s engage the other side’s arguments, and let’s allow Americans to decide for themselves whether the Democrats’ health-care proposals should become governing law.

Some 45 years ago Ronald Reagan said that “no one in this country should be denied medical care because of a lack of funds.” Each of us knows that we have an obligation to care for the old, the young and the sick. We stand strongest when we stand with the weakest among us.

We also know that our current health-care system too often burdens individuals and businesses—particularly small businesses—with crippling expenses. And we know that allowing government health-care spending to continue at current rates will only add to our ever-expanding deficit.

How can we ensure that those who need medical care receive it while also reducing health-care costs? The answers offered by Democrats in Washington all rest on one principle: that increased government involvement can solve the problem. I fundamentally disagree.

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Common sense tells us that the government’s attempts to solve large problems more often create new ones. Common sense also tells us that a top-down, one-size-fits-all plan will not improve the workings of a nationwide health-care system that accounts for one-sixth of our economy. And common sense tells us to be skeptical when President Obama promises that the Democrats’ proposals “will provide more stability and security to every American.”

With all due respect, Americans are used to this kind of sweeping promise from Washington. And we know from long experience that it’s a promise Washington can’t keep.

Let’s talk about specifics. In his Times op-ed, the president argues that the Democrats’ proposals “will finally bring skyrocketing health-care costs under control” by “cutting . . . waste and inefficiency in federal health programs like Medicare and Medicaid and in unwarranted subsidies to insurance companies . . . .”

First, ask yourself whether the government that brought us such “waste and inefficiency” and “unwarranted subsidies” in the first place can be believed when it says that this time it will get things right. The nonpartistan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) doesn’t think so: Its director, Douglas Elmendorf, told the Senate Budget Committee in July that “in the legislation that has been reported we do not see the sort of fundamental changes that would be necessary to reduce the trajectory of federal health spending by a significant amount.”

Now look at one way Mr. Obama wants to eliminate inefficiency and waste: He’s asked Congress to create an Independent Medicare Advisory Council—an unelected, largely unaccountable group of experts charged with containing Medicare costs. In an interview with the New York Times in April, the president suggested that such a group, working outside of “normal political channels,” should guide decisions regarding that “huge driver of cost . . . the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives . . . .”

Given such statements, is it any wonder that many of the sick and elderly are concerned that the Democrats’ proposals will ultimately lead to rationing of their health care by—dare I say it—death panels? Establishment voices dismissed that phrase, but it rang true for many Americans. Working through “normal political channels,” they made themselves heard, and as a result Congress will likely reject a wrong-headed proposal to authorize end-of-life counseling in this cost-cutting context. But the fact remains that the Democrats’ proposals would still empower unelected bureaucrats to make decisions affecting life or death health-care matters. Such government overreaching is what we’ve come to expect from this administration.

Speaking of government overreaching, how will the Democrats’ proposals affect the deficit? The CBO estimates that the current House proposal not only won’t reduce the deficit but will actually increase it by $239 billion over 10 years. Only in Washington could a plan that adds hundreds of billions to the deficit be hailed as a cost-cutting measure.

The economic effects won’t be limited to abstract deficit numbers; they’ll reach the wallets of everyday Americans. Should the Democrats’ proposals expand health-care coverage while failing to curb health-care inflation rates, smaller paychecks will result. A new study for Watson Wyatt Worldwide by Steven Nyce and Syl Schieber concludes that if the government expands health-care coverage while health-care inflation continues to rise “the higher costs would drive disposable wages downward across most of the earnings spectrum, although the declines would be steepest for lower-earning workers.” Lower wages are the last thing Americans need in these difficult economic times.

Finally, President Obama argues in his op-ed that Democrats’ proposals “will provide every American with some basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable.” Of course consumer protection sounds like a good idea. And it’s true that insurance companies can be unaccountable and unresponsive institutions—much like the federal government. That similarity makes this shift in focus seem like nothing more than an attempt to deflect attention away from the details of the Democrats’ proposals—proposals that will increase our deficit, decrease our paychecks, and increase the power of unaccountable government technocrats.

Instead of poll-driven “solutions,” let’s talk about real health-care reform: market-oriented, patient-centered, and result-driven. As the Cato Institute’s Michael Cannon and others have argued, such policies include giving all individuals the same tax benefits received by those who get coverage through their employers; providing Medicare recipients with vouchers that allow them to purchase their own coverage; reforming tort laws to potentially save billions each year in wasteful spending; and changing costly state regulations to allow people to buy insurance across state lines. Rather than another top-down government plan, let’s give Americans control over their own health care.

Democrats have never seriously considered such ideas, instead rushing through their own controversial proposals. After all, they don’t need Republicans to sign on: Democrats control the House, the Senate and the presidency. But if passed, the Democrats’ proposals will significantly alter a large sector of our economy. They will not improve our health care. They will not save us money. And, despite what the president says, they will not “provide more stability and security to every American.”

We often hear such overblown promises from Washington. With first principles in mind and with the facts in hand, tell them that this time we’re not buying it.

Clyde5445 on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

again….
WHAT Bill??????????? What are they talking about? Pass WHAT?

WHAT BILL?????

bridgetown on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Sept 12th! Last chance to be heard in DC by these Leftists!

chickasaw42 on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

OWN IT.

Then the Republicans can run on a REPEAL platform in 2010.

Techie on September 8, 2009 at 8:31 PM

Exactly – but that presupposes that the Republicans have the stones to actually do this. It is an absolute winner.

J.J. Sefton on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

Someone tell me why I shouldn’t have this losing feeling.

PaCadle on September 8, 2009 at 8:34 PM

Because despite the claims of Pelosi and Reid, their corrupt party is by no means of one voice on the proposed legislation, none of which is in its final form. Even if the left is ultimately able to get some version of this through Congress, now is the time for scorched earth warfare not feelings of defeat.

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:38 PM

Is it time to seriously look at recalling Senators and congressmen?
The following states allow recall:

Alaska
Arizona
California- 2 D Senators and and lots of D reps
Colorado- 1 D Senator and 4 D reps
Georgia- 6 D reps
Idaho-

Kansas-2 D reps
Louisiana- 1 D Senator 2 D reps
Michigan-2 D senators and lots of D reps
Minnesota- 1 D Senator and lots of D reps
Montana- 2 D senators
Nevada

New Jersey- 2 D Senators and lots of D reps
North Dakota
Oregon
Rhode Island
Washington
Wisconsin

This list is not complete, obviously,, But maybe it’s time to think seriously about the recall.

JellyToast on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

snowe better follow her instincts on this one….don’t walk, run away from this terror

cmsinaz on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

I think they are confusing the actual Dem seats they hold versus actual votes. If that’s the case, yeah, they have the votes available, have always had them, so the only hold up are…them. This is why their whining over the (impotent) GOP is so audacious.

So, do it. They want action on it…if they’ve had the votes all along, freaking pass it already.

Diane on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

They’d better be right.

If they _do_ try to pass it and fail,they’ll never recover.

I wonder if they know something we don’t?

Scott H on September 8, 2009 at 8:26 PM

They have failed either way. If they pass something then that will be the end of a bunch of congress people’s careers. These people need to have the decency (do democrats have any left?) to say they were wrong and that they will abandon Obama. Supporting communism is a sure way to get defeated.

izoneguy on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

So, are they voting tomorrow? Put up or shut up! Let Obama give his victory speech. We’ll have plenty of time before 2010 to go line by line.

txhsmom on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Will the teabaggers be out rioting in the streets? Should be highly entertaining.

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:32 PM

You live up to your name nightly

CWforFreedom on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Time to kill the bill.

Clyde5445 on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

That was a terrific op-ed by Palin.

cubachi on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

sven:

I don’t think McCain is going to help them much. I do think that some of these people really believe people want them to pass some kind of reform, they think people expect it of them..so they have convinced themselves that no bill will be seen as failure. Rock meet hard place.

Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

Sept 12th! Last chance to be heard in DC by these Leftists!

chickasaw42 on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

No, friend–not the last chance!

Liam on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Sarah Palin has just blown up thousands of liberal head in the WSJ article. The woman has got more uh,…”Malkins” than anyone in the White House.

d1carter on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Sarah Palin just completely let the air outta Obama’s balloon with a piece posted less than an hour ago at Wall Street Journal. Someone above linked it.

She destroyed him. He’s a smoking wreckage, trolls, go pick up the pieces of Dear Leader. See if all the kings horses and his girly men can put him together again.

ted c on September 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM

And she used the term–dare I say it?– “death panels” again?

She sums up with the more economical alternatives that have been bandied around.

Palin is really getting into her game. Love the feistiness and the common sense.

onlineanalyst on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

So, if they do manage to bribe and blackmail and terrorize enough people into voting for this, can it be undone?

Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Didn’t Madam Speaker tell us this six weeks ago, shortly before the plug was pulled?

Sure did.

The Dems seem to desperately want this healthcare fiasco to be “bi-partisan” simply so they have the other side of the aisle to share the blame with when it tanks badly.

JetBoy on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

gophergirl on September 8, 2009 at 8:23 PM

Right! Shut the place down demand a reading of any and all bills and portions of bills under debate, deny unanimous consent!

Refuse to raise the debt limit. Make em pay, for their folly will bankrupt this nation anyway do it now by refusing to raise the debt limit to 13 Trillion!

dhunter on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Sarah Palin just completely let the air outta Obama’s balloon with a piece posted less than an hour ago at Wall Street Journal. Someone above linked it.

She destroyed him. He’s a smoking wreckage, trolls, go pick up the pieces of Dear Leader. See if all the kings horses and his girly men can put him together again.

ted c on September 8, 2009 at 8:33 PM

If Sarah ain’t the candidate she’s sure as hell gonna be a voice of dissent for years to come.

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

My my! What sad, impotent anger! You clowns had 8 years of terrurr alerts and Mission Accomplished. Now you get this. Enjoy!

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

the only hold up are is…them.

sheesh.

Diane on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

What bill? I’m not going to stop asking. WHAT BILL?

All of this talk is for naught without a bill for me to see.

WHAT BILL??????????????????

bridgetown on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

So, my suggestion to the White House: put away your shovels, there is no Snowe in the forecast.

I disagree. Susan Collins also had reservations right up until she signed on to the Stimulus bill.

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Sure did.

The Dems seem to desperately want this healthcare fiasco to be “bi-partisan” simply so they have the other side of the aisle to share the blame with when it tanks badly.

JetBoy on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Quite right JB that’s why the RiNOs who oppose this need to try to control the RiNOs who desperately want to give the donks another reach around the aisle routine…

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Is it time to seriously look at recalling Senators and congressmen?

JellyToast on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

YES!

Liam on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Here’s a link on info about the recall.
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16581
People would need to gather signatures that equaled %25 of the vote, or less in some states, to begin a recall. It varies from state to state,, but it seems that in most states the people can do a recall for purely political reasons.

JellyToast on September 8, 2009 at 8:42 PM

I disagree. Susan Collins also had reservations right up until she signed on to the Stimulus bill.

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

“reservations” means “give me some face time with you Barry” to the Pains from Maine

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:42 PM

So, if they do manage to bribe and blackmail and terrorize enough people into voting for this, can it be undone?

Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

I’ve certainly not seen much in the way of government programs like this that, once enacted, are easily…if at all able to be…undone.

We gotta make sure it doesn’t happen in the first place. I mean, dear gawd…even Hillary and Bill knew when to give up on national health care. Todays Dems under Obama would be gleeful just shoving it down all our throats.

JetBoy on September 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM

My my! What sad, impotent anger! You clowns had 8 years of terrurr alerts and Mission Accomplished. Now you get this. Enjoy!

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

My my…someone who doesn’t give a flip about his/her country or doesn’t care to look at what washington is doing. ugh…I’m slow, but you’re just sound damn stupid.

bridgetown on September 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Here’s a link on info about the recall.
http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16581
People would need to gather signatures that equaled %25 of the vote, or less in some states, to begin a recall. It varies from state to state,, but it seems that in most states the people can do a recall for purely political reasons.

JellyToast on September 8, 2009 at 8:42 PM

A recall!? How quaint! Why not start work on a Constititional Convention while you’re at it!

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM

My my! What sad, impotent anger! You clowns had 8 years of terrurr alerts and Mission Accomplished. Now you get this. Enjoy!

the aptly named simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

I notice Barry hasn’t repealed any part of Bush’s framework….

guess the dog ate his homework eh champ?

Pass it over any bi-partisanship…PLEASE

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

I disagree. Susan Collins also had reservations right up until she signed on to the Stimulus bill.

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

good point

cmsinaz on September 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

‘you’ sound stupid. I was going to say you are stupid, but thought I’d be generous with you ‘sound’ stupid.
Pardon the typo.

bridgetown on September 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

A recall!? How quaint! Why not start work on a Constititional Convention while you’re at it!

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM

That’d be your side of the aisle after they fail to get the 22d repealed…

“keep the change”

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Didn’t we get a story weeks ago about how the Democrats were finally going to own their own legislation?

What the hell is taking them so long to stamp their seal of approval on this obviously fantastic piece of legislation that’s going to destroy heatlh care in the US?

Good Lt on September 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Initiating recalls is an action with teeth,,, especially in a state where a Dem or RINO has 2 or more years left before the next election. Imagine what it would be like to see a recall effort take off in 5, 10 12 or more states. So what if it failed. People have to try. It’s something. It’s legal. It’s real!

JellyToast on September 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM

My my! What sad, impotent anger! You clowns had 8 years of terrurr alerts and Mission Accomplished. Now you get this. Enjoy!
simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

Thank you for just giving me your psych profile.

Liam on September 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM

That’d be your side of the aisle after they fail to get the 22d repealed…

“keep the change”

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:44 PM

Eh, whatever. The 2nd will be the first to go!

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM

The Dems seem to desperately want this healthcare fiasco to be “bi-partisan” simply so they have the other side of the aisle to share the blame with when it tanks badly.

JetBoy on September 8, 2009 at 8:40 PM

That and it looks really bad if such a huge bill does not have bi-partisan support in and out of Congress. This is pretty much lined up to be the Democrats forcing their warped vision of the world on Americans. The public is not going to stand by and let that go by unchallenged. They need Republican votes for the legislation to channel the outrage away from a single party and onto “Congress.”

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Pelosi and Reid to Obama: We’ve got the votes to pass ObamaCare;

What’s in it for anyone on Obama’s team to tell him he’s screwing the pooch and losing? This guy’s on some unreal messianic trip, and nobody is going to mess with his groove. There’s nothing to gain by it. If I was one of his Manson-type followers, I’d tell him he was GREAT!

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM

PLEASE SEND THIS TO YOUR CONGRESS PERSON.
TELL THEM YOU WANT NO PART OF COMMIE CARE.

Program of the Communist Party USA

http://www.cpusa.org/article/view/758

(NOW READ THIS AND TELL ME IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE HR3200?)
Note the highlighted portions…..

Health Care Struggles

In many countries, health care is a constitutional right, but not in the United States. Unionized workers are forced to negotiate lower wages to pay for their health benefits. Unorganized workers are left with little or no real access to health care, which forces them to pay for their health services out-of-pocket often beyond their means. Over 45 million people are in that position of having to make choices among critical needs such as medicines, hospital appointments, food, education, and housing. Another 40 million have woeful health insurance benefits.

In the United States health care is a big business commodity with a big price tag, comprising 14% of the US GNP. Removing profit from the Wall Street-controlled health industry can fully fund a system that puts health before profit.

Communists support a health care system that is comprehensive and free with guaranteed access to quality care whenever needed. But a health care system is more than just medical care. Health care also means prevention of occupational and community environmental hazards and infectious conditions that threaten people’s health. In addition, the lack of affordable housing has become a major public health problem. A comprehensive health care system means that all health workers in hospitals and community clinics must reflect the populations they are serving—we support the aggressive application of affirmative action programs for equal access to medical, nursing, and other professional training and education programs.

Organized labor, while protecting its own hard-won benefits, is beginning to see the need and necessity to unite with other national and community-based organizations in the fight for a national health system that provides quality, guaranteed health benefits for everyone.

izoneguy on September 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM

Sarah Palin smacks down Obamacare in WSJ.

promachus on September 8, 2009 at 8:24 PM

Damn.

That’s gonna leave a mark.

Do you think that Michelle can coax Barry out from under the desk in the Oval Office before the big speech tomorrow night?

One has to imagine that Barry is foaming at the mouth and clawing at the carpet right about now.

turfmann on September 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM

I met with the Senator personally during the August recess back here in Maine when she spoke with dozens of Maine folks in a series of health care talks throughout the state. Here is what I learned: She is worried about costs and the impact on the deficit, the public option plan is “off the table”, she wants more private insurance companies in Maine (we have 3), and she doesn’t support higher taxes – especially during a recession.
Those concerns and opinions were not from “unnamed sources,” they were straight from Senator Snowe…

*if* he’s lost Snowe he’s lost….no blue dog will go the left of Snowe.

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM

At the moment I can’t recall where I read it or heard it but prior to the recess there were only between 40-44 Senate Democrats that supported the takeover. They didn’t even have enough votes to stop the filibuster even if they had one or two RINOs with them.

Another point that cannot be stressed enough is that a takeover this disruptive, intrusive, and unconstitutional requires broad bipartisan support, support from the state governments, and about 75% public support…they had none of this before the recess and definitely don’t have it now.

we are headed for a constitutional crisis if they force this through parliamentary trickery, deception, and marginal support.

elduende on September 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM

A recall!? How quaint! Why not start work on a Constititional Convention while you’re at it!

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM

Obama won, and you control the Congress and media. And you’re still not happy? Hate to tell you this, but it looks like it might be a permanent condition for you. Have you considered getting “help?”

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Eh, whatever. The 2nd will be the first to go!

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM

we’ll see cutie pie…at about 300 yards unless I miss my guess.

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM

we are headed for a constitutional crisis if they force this through parliamentary trickery, deception, and marginal support.

elduende on September 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM

You can’t have a mini-revolution w/out breaking some eggs (a mangled metaphor :)

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

What the hell is taking them so long to stamp their seal of approval on this obviously fantastic piece of legislation that’s going to destroy heatlh care in the US?

Good Lt on September 8, 2009 at 8:45 PM

Good point. If Obamacare is such a damned good and important thing, why aren’t the rats tripping over each other to get to the front of the line to support this?

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Damn.
That’s gonna leave a mark.

Do you think that Michelle can coax Barry out from under the desk in the Oval Office before the big speech tomorrow night?

One has to imagine that Barry is foaming at the mouth and clawing at the carpet right about now.

turfmann on September 8, 2009 at 8:47 PM

Haha. Some idiot woman who took 6 years to get through college and can’t last 2 years as governor has “opinions”. The Iquitorod is politically irrelevant – she’s just a trashy tabloid curiosity.

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

No f’ing way.

If they really had the votes, they would have passed it today.

Dave R. on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Obama won, and you control the Congress and media. And you’re still not happy? Hate to tell you this, but it looks like it might be a permanent condition for you. Have you considered getting “help?”

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM

It thinks it has mastered power en perpetual…or it knows that ACORN and the Census means “one vote one man one time”….

they play those games we’ll play ours.

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Time to kill the bill.

Clyde5445 on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

That was a terrific op-ed by Palin.

cubachi on September 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM

The left continues to ‘misunderestimate Palin”. Reading that piece in the WSJ, I think they continue to ridicule her at their own peril. She knew exactly what she was doing when she used the phrase ‘death panels’. She knew just how it would be taken by her audience–not as a literal truth, but a metonomy for the effects of socialized medicine.

Sarah Palin may not even know what the word metonomy means, but she is an instinctual politician on the level of Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. She seems like a quick study–she may not have been ready for national office just yet in 2008, and may not be in 2012. But the Dems know a threat when they see one–hence their obsession over trashing a governor that has resigned early from office.

BryanS on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

No f’ing way.

If they really had the votes, they would have passed it today.

Dave R. on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

+1 to let Barry sign it at the end of his “sermon on the mounted”

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:50 PM

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM

The Dems want to spend us to death and you are playing your same tired games. I question your patriotism.

CWforFreedom on September 8, 2009 at 8:50 PM

Clyde5445 on September 8, 2009 at 8:37 PM

heh heh heh she said overblown!!!

sonnyspats1 on September 8, 2009 at 8:51 PM

OT: BO and the UN

cmsinaz on September 8, 2009 at 8:51 PM

You can’t have a mini-revolution w/out breaking some eggs (a mangled metaphor :)

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

But apt….they can’t pass this through uniparty subtrefuge and have it look like anything other than a triumverate…

this’ll split families.

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:51 PM

The Dems want to spend us to death and you are playing your same tired games. I question your patriotism.

CWforFreedom on September 8, 2009 at 8:50 PM

it is dancing to the old set of music…

sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 8:51 PM

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Funny you mention Obama’s “I won” attitude. I honestly thing that history will record his “I won” comment to justify pushing through the Stimulus Bill on a party line vote as the opening salvo in the 2nd American revolution.

highhopes on September 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM

You can’t have a mini-revolution w/out breaking some eggs (a mangled metaphor :)

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Funny thing is the eggs have hammers too.

elduende on September 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Haha. Some idiot woman who took 6 years to get through college and can’t last 2 years as governor has “opinions”. The Iquitorod is politically irrelevant – she’s just a trashy tabloid curiosity.

simplesimon on September 8, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Obama has nothing to worry about. The polls mean nothing. Please do not get upset. We love him. We were just kidding.

JiangxiDad on September 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM

They’ve always had the votes. What you are seeing from the Dems is this smoke and mirrors coalition nonsense attempting to seduce the public into not taking out their resentment in 2010. Whether that works or not depends on the conservative talk hosts and the tea parties keeping the spotlight on their heinous activities for the next 18 months.

docdave on September 8, 2009 at 8:53 PM

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