ObamaCare subsidies holding up Senate version
posted at 3:35 pm on September 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The Washington Post reports this afternoon that Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) has had to refrain from publishing his own health-care plan over quibbles on federal subsidies for insurance. Baucus wanted the cap for federal subsidies set at an annual income level of $66,000 for a family of four, but Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) wants it higher, at $88,000 a year, which would increase the cost of the bill substantially. Seemingly lost in this argument is why a family of four making $66K can’t afford insurance premiums on their own:
Baucus hopes to unveil his bill before President Obama’s speech to Congress on Wednesday, and possibly to bring it before his committee next week. Senate Finance is the fifth panel in Congress to produce a health care bill, and the only one that didn’t finish its work before the August recess. With jurisdiction over Medicare, Medicaid and the tax code, the committee represents a crucial missing link in the unfolding debate.
The “Gang of Six,” comprised of Baucus, two Democratic colleagues, and three Republicans, has spent months crafting legislation that aims to lower health care costs in the long term but also bridge the uninsured gap.
One area of dispute the group will attempt to resolve Tuesday is where to set the federal subsidy cap for uninsured families. Baucus has proposed 300 percent of the federal poverty level, the equivalent of about $66,000 per year for a family of four. But some other members of the group — including moderate GOP Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (Maine) — want to push the level to 400 percent, or about $88,000 per year for a family of four. The lawmakers may compromise at 350 percent, said one individual familiar with the talks. The higher threshold would increase the bill’s cost.
Far be it from me to interject a few facts into a discussion of legislation, but the real question is why either of these thresholds should be considered. This isn’t a riff on welfare programs, either, although that may be a good topic to broach. Even assuming the good case for government assistance on health insurance (not care), both of these levels would make more than half of the country dependent on the dole.
Consider the following data points:
- The median household (not individual) income level in 2007 was $50,233. That means there should be a roughly equal number of households above and below that level in the US.
- The percentage of Americans not covered by health insurance in 2007 was 15%. Sixty-seven percent were covered by private plans through employment or direct purchase, while 27% had coverage through government plans such as Medicare (13.8%), Medicaid (13.2%), and military plans.
If 85% of Americans have coverage, 67% of them through private means, then the problem of non-coverage outside of choice falls into a very small category. In fact, as the Census Bureau estimates, the actual affordability issue only afflicts around 14 million Americans (excluding illegal immigrants). As the Kaiser Foundation states, the number of uninsured for affordability reasons is almost strictly related to those making under the median income level.
Why, then, do Baucus, Snowe, and others on Capitol Hill propose a welfare program that would include well over half of the country? Families making over the median income can afford health insurance; they just choose to spend their money elsewhere. That’s not a problem requiring taxpayer indemnification but a lesson on individual responsibility. A look at the numbers, where 50% of families make more than $50K but 67% of Americans have private insurance coverage, should make that excruciatingly obvious.
America doesn’t need more than half of its citizens on the dole. The correct answer to the Baucus-Snowe impasse is “neither.”









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correct me if I am wrong but if this happens and their is public option wouldn’t one of the primary beneficiaries be the “evil” health insurance companies who in exchange for more regulations have a guaranteed market.
rob verdi on September 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM
if their isn’t a public option, pardon the typo.
rob verdi on September 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Why, then, do Baucus, Snowe, and others on Capitol Hill propose a welfare program that would include well over half of the country?
Ed, I believe the answer to this question is simple: they’re trying to bribe us. Unfortunately, in view of recent electoral history, they’re probably right. We’re cheap dates.
jwolf on September 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM
Nyet, nein, nej, or non. In any language, NO.
faraway on September 8, 2009 at 3:39 PM
VAT tax? I think so!
Going home with 1/4th of your income because people don’t care about who they vote for… and now you have healthcare you don’t need.
PRICELESS!
upinak on September 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM
Indeed. I make around this amount while my wife is getting her small business up and running and I am able to afford insurance for my family of four through my job.
Queasy on September 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM
The problem here is the same problem that plagues anything and everything coming out of Congress.
Namely, that people like Baucus and Snowe are complete idiots.
You don’t understand Congress unless you understand that our representatives don’t have the skill sets necessary to make these decisions.
Our president is a complete joke when it comes to being prepared and qualified. This guy would be out of his element running the automotive section of the Peoria Wal-Mart.
NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM
And what happens when next year the income of a family goes from $87,000 to $89,000? Do they get kicked off the govt program? Of course not. Once in, you’re in for life. And 10 years later when the family income is at $125,000, they’re still on the free program. And before you know it, everyone is on the free program.
And that is the end goal of all these schemes….100% universal coverage by the govt.
angryed on September 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Bingo. The Left go crazy and Barry must bare the wrath of the Leftest crazies who think Obama is a sell-out moderate.
portlandon on September 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Well there it is then, if Snowe is pushing to increase the largesse being offered by a democrat, all hope for holding the Rep line is lost. Obama will have his fig leaf of bipartisanship, again.
We are sooooo screwed.
Archimedes on September 8, 2009 at 3:43 PM
D’oh!
cmsinaz on September 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM
I’m not quibbling… OK, I guess I am… but that number never seems to account for the varying cost-of-living factors across the fruited plain. If does factor COL in, I’d gladly retract.
mankai on September 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM
Incrementalism. Rather than having Big Scary New Expensive Program, as Dear Leader wants, these blankity-blanks want to slowly move us over to government healthcare.
rbj on September 8, 2009 at 3:46 PM
That’s an awfully big safety net ya got there.
mankai on September 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/08/baucus-plan-allows-fines-failing-health-insurance/
Baucus wants to fine you $3800 if you do not have health care.
milwife88 on September 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Also seemingly lost on the left is what a hefty tax cut would do to families by letting them keep more of their own money.
darwin on September 8, 2009 at 3:47 PM
Ah, but I recall that Baucus is also proposing a fee (or fine, or extra tax – I forget what he called it) to be levied on the higher benefit plans, with the intention of forcing folks off of them, because he thinks that’s the way to control health care spending.
Of course, one of the reasons I’m in the higher benefit plan at my work is because I’ve got family with health care issues, such as scoliosis, not to mention I’m heading into my second joint surgery this year. Put me on the cheaper plan, and I’ll still end up spending as much, just with less doctor choice and a lot more out of pocket, making me even poorer.
If I ever run for Congress my platform will involve refusing to vote on any bill I haven’t read, refusing to vote for any bill which is longer than about 20 pages (and which can’t be understood without the proverbial two lawyers) , and refusing to vote for any bill which would let the Feds do something not specifically mandated in the Constitution.
Based on that plan, I obviously wouldn’t be voting for any of these pieces of #$%&.
LibraryGryffon on September 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM
The Republican is arguing for greater spending… The folks we are counting on to stem the tide are fools and hoplessly inept.
Let’s hurry this process along, tank the economy, accept our hyperinflation, install the dictatorship and get busy with civil war. Buy your ammo now.
al sends
afterdarknesslight on September 8, 2009 at 3:48 PM
I was reading not long ago that Maine got into real trouble with their own plan, I think it is called Diego…and that they had to pretty much shut it down. Now something like 24% of the state is on medicaid because they raised the income threshold to $44,000. I wonder if Snowe is thinking about how she can get the people of her state off the hook in regards to their bad state plan by making their coverage the responsibility of the federal government.
The whole thing is absurd. People making $40,000 a year do not want to pay taxes to subsidize people making twice as much money as they do.
Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM
Because people in government think money grows on trees.
Dusty on September 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM
afterdarknesslight:
Snowe is asking for more spending, right now that is not the stand of the rest of the party.
Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 3:51 PM
If at first you don’t secede…
Daggett on September 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Terrye,
No, but she is one of the key Senators that will cross the isle and vote for a Government Health Plan. If they meet her demands others will follow her.
al sends
afterdarknesslight on September 8, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Except we won’t have “coverage”, we’ll have the same crap that every country has with this system.
If you are well, you’ll have “free” health care.
If you are deathly sick, you’ll be waiting in line for seven months behind 700 “immigrants” who contribute nothing to the system, in order to see some third-world quack who can’t speak or understand English.
But the good news is, that our elected “representatives” will have quick access to the few remaining English-speaking, qualified specialists.
NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 3:54 PM
“We’re from the government, we’re here to help spend your money.”
GarandFan on September 8, 2009 at 3:55 PM
Expect the secessionist movement to gain steam if this puss sandwich passes. Sara and Todd Palin can finally get back to their roots.
al sends
afterdarknesslight on September 8, 2009 at 3:56 PM
This is a great example of how stupid and out-of-touch these people are.
In some parts of the country, say, West Virginia, you can live like a king on $66,000 per year. You can buy a nice house for $150K.
Now if you live in the NYC area or in the LA Area, you can make $100K a year and not be able to afford anything more than a studio condo in the ghetto.
But the guy who can’t afford the studio condo, will be sudsidizing health insurance for the guy who owns a four bedroom house on an acre of land?
Congressional brilliance at its finest.
NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 3:57 PM
The people of Maine need to drop-kick Snowe ASAP.
salmonczar on September 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM
I’ve e-mailed Grassley twice now today. He got and earful back in Iowa and is up for re-election. I think he will do the right thing!
Now as for Snowe…. RINO will sell us out and look for another Panderer or two if they think its’ going to pass, jumpin ship:
Mccain, Graham, Collins?
Anyone runnin against these guys they need to be gone!
dhunter on September 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM
What I still don’t get is how having 1 or even 3 republican senators vote in favor of something equals a “bipartisan” plan.
When Bush was President, even with 10 or more democrat Senators voting in favor, most things were still labled as purely partisan.
I know, I know – the rules all chance when a “d” is Prez. Still, doesn’t the media’s own hypocrasy embaress them?
Monkeytoe on September 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Years ago, my husband and I provided private insurance for a family of five on my husband’s income only. Roughly 30,000. People need to be responsible for their own families.
TXMomof3 on September 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM
Ed! You and Obama agree on something. Today, he told every school kid in the US that personal responsibility was the most important thing in their life.
Is this car salesman good, or what?
percysunshine on September 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM
afterdarknesslight:
I don’t think other Republicans will follow Snowe, not so long as they think their base does not want them to. My point is that in her state there are real problems with health care insurance due to their idiot state government. She might very well be responding to problems back home..but I have not seen any indication that if she goes along with the Democrats other Republicans will follow.
Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Oh you’re so funny :)
salmonczar on September 8, 2009 at 4:05 PM
You can bet on it. All these states and local municipalities are hurting because they spent themselves into a hole, driven away business, and now can pay for their pensions and pension medical plans.
Blake on September 8, 2009 at 4:05 PM
I for one and sick and tired of being ruled by corrupt, incompetent idiots elected by other idiots.
At some point, these income transfer programs are just legalized thievery and need to be resisted as such.
NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 4:05 PM
can = can’t pay
Blake on September 8, 2009 at 4:05 PM
Dear Leader tells us that we must work for a more fair America, Ed. Didn’t you listen in schoo today?
Redistributionapalooza!
Spread the wealth!
hillbillyjim on September 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM
‘Roughly’?
Ed, that is the mathematical definition of median. It should be exact, to the margin of error of the measurement.
Count to 10 on September 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM
You can go on the interwebs and in 30 minutes have health insurance for $100 or so per month.
What’s all the fuss about?
faraway on September 8, 2009 at 4:06 PM
It’s true, we are personally responsible to provide for the rubes, idiots, drug addicts and other assorted no-load jackasses who make up the Democrat base.
NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 4:07 PM
Still, doesn’t the media’s own hypocrisy embarass them?
Monkeytoe on September 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM
On the evidence, no, apparently not.
FWIW, I agree with your comment about “bipartisan” and as I recall McCain made the same point months ago in regard to the Stimulus vote, passed with 0 Republican congressmen and 3 Republican senators, but touted by the Obama administration as “bipartisan.”
jwolf on September 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM
BTW afterdarknesslight,
I live in the midwest, in an area that went 78% McCain/Palin and I do not know one single person who seriously considers secession an option.
Terrye on September 8, 2009 at 4:08 PM
No Way in $#@%#@$%@#$ I am for ObamaCare but:
Before you say I can pay, I have a job and my employer offers health care:
Find out the real complete, total cost to your employer. Typically employers kick in a significant chunk. Then find out what it would cost, if as an individual you had to buy the same insurance. Then consider high rent districts like New York City. Then if after all that it would still be easy peasy to buy the same level of insurance, more power to you; you’ve done something right.
Remember there are areas in the US where the median income won’t let you afford a rat infested tenement apartment rental. (OK I exaggerated, but you get the drift) Don’t sound like the left and say “You have too much money, you should be able to …”.
Having said all that, I reiterate, I don’t want Obamacare. I want the federal government’s hands off of my life and out of my wallet.
/rant off
Duncan Khuver on September 8, 2009 at 4:09 PM
+1000000
That is how I felt about the SCHIP expansion (being a smoker who is young and just started a career). Looks like I’ll have to pay more (again) to pay for people who make 2-3X more than me (again) to have health insurance in addition to paying for my own.
WTF is wrong with these people. LEAVE ME ALONE!
Joe Caps on September 8, 2009 at 4:10 PM
Why not just pass a law that gives the government every dollar you make and they in return give you what they think you need.That,s were we are headed if we let Obama getaway with this so called health care power grab.Some people are so stupid that they want and think the gov. is the be all and end all for all there worries.
thmcbb on September 8, 2009 at 4:11 PM
She will be a leader in the Gang of Six or Eight… Enough to kill the filibuster I imagine.
The Republican Senators are resisting this spending only because a Republican is not POTUS. They are scalawags and hucksters.
I quit them (Republicans) about three years ago and I have felt all the cleaner for it.
al sends
afterdarknesslight on September 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM
A family of 4 costs the same as a family of 3 for insurance coverage and the premiums don’t go up any more for more kids. My plan costs a little over $1,000 per month. If I was making $66,000, had a modest mortgage, car payment and the usual utility bills I would easily be able to swing the $1,000 and that’s before my employer subsidized it.
I would say it would get tough around $50,000 for unsibsidized insurance but at that point it’s still about your choices, maybe you are still living outside your means?
cadams on September 8, 2009 at 4:16 PM
China will go John Galt!
TN Mom on September 8, 2009 at 4:16 PM
1. On January 1, 2010 Congress allows competition across
state lines.
2. On January 1, 2010 Congress passes TORT reform.
3. On January 1, 2010 every citizen of the United States of
America is given (by the government) a Health
Care Savings account with $3,000,000. The money must be
invested in an account that draws at least
4% interest monthly and can ONLY be used to buy Health
Care Insurance, or for catastrophic care or
end of life Hospice care. These funds are in a REAL
LOCKED BOX and cannot be used by the
government or the individual for any other need.
4. On January 1, 2010 every Citizen is required to buy
Health Care Insurance. The premiums are paid from
the Health Care Savings account. This allows every US
citizen to spend approximately $10,185 per year
on health insurance with no effect on the principle.
So, a family of 4 would have $40,740. In other words,
coverage for life while the initial investment grows.
5. If a catastrophic or end of life situation occurs, money
can be used from the initial investment.
6. After death the money remaining in the account is
returned to the General Health Care Fund.
7. When a child is born, an account is opened for that new
citizen.
8. On July 4, 2010 ALL other government health care
programs Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) are terminated.
Initial cost is about $930,000,000 (million) and is based on a US population of 310,000,000. The Medicare budget alone for 2009 is 737,000,000,000 (billion).That’s a savings of $736,000,000,000 for just Medicare in just one year after the initial investment. I didn’t even try to calculate the savings over a life span as it is astronomical.
Now, I did this in a half hour and it is less than a 1000 pages, so, I am sure it needs more work, but, you get the idea. Maybe I am nuts or just missing something.
derft on September 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM
You can’t just say that a family of four earning 66K can afford insurance, there are a lot of variables which determine the cost.
I have a small business, the insurance for a family of four runs between 1200/month/hmo to 1500/month/ppo. Our employees pay 40% of the cost. Next year our costs will go up at least 25% and that’s pretty good considering the industry standards.
It depends entirely on what state you live in and how big the insurance pool is that determine the cost.
I’m afraid that Republicans are not paying attention to what is really important regarding insurance reform:
the ability to join groups or co-ops (not gov’t co-ops), the ability to buy anywhere in the US, tort reform, the ability to choose what we as a business will cover, and the right to buy a major medical policy without all the mandated bells and whistles then allowing the employee to have an HSA.
We are in dire need of reform and this needs to be taken seriously – it’s not just about the cost of the program and what people can afford. IMO, the gov’t needs to get out of the system and institute a laissez-faire policy. For those who genuinely cannot get/afford insurance than I am all for the gov’t issuing a debit card to take care of their medical needs.
robink on September 8, 2009 at 4:18 PM
Just wait until hyper-inflation kicks in; long wait times to see a doctor; and Cap & Trade increases your utility bill…
TN Mom on September 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Terrye,
While not quite secession the 10th Amendment folks seem to be gaining ground. Either the Fed is going to have to back off on some of its programs or the States will just say no.
I hope that is the case anyway.
al sends
afterdarknesslight on September 8, 2009 at 4:23 PM
Yeah, especially since they don’t pay any income taxes.
eyedoc on September 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM
That’s only $3.00 per person.
thomasaur on September 8, 2009 at 4:29 PM
WOW, DO I feel DUMB.
derft on September 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM
PMIt’s true, we are personally responsible to provide for the rubes, idiots, drug addicts and other assorted no-load jackasses who make up the Democrat base.
NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 4:07 PM
dhunter on September 8, 2009 at 4:36 PM
Foreplay (as in, before we really get f$cked!)
Mr_Magoo on September 8, 2009 at 4:37 PM
You wouldn’t be the first… I’ve gotten emails like this before and they never seem to balance. Cheer up! You could run for Congress!! And if you’ve ever given a speech and have lost your birth certificate, someday you may even be President!
Mr_Magoo on September 8, 2009 at 4:42 PM
OMG they are coming for our soda now, frakkers!!
ginaswo on September 8, 2009 at 4:45 PM
The “elsewhere”, as I remember from the picture, was a really nice kitchen with built-in appliances and granite countertops.
unclesmrgol on September 8, 2009 at 5:01 PM
That’s a pretty bold blanket statement. COL’s vary wildly from state to state, and even from city to city sometimes.
Dark-Star on September 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Wonder what the median family income is in Snowe-y Maine?
Would Snowe’s income threshold put 3/4 of its population on the dole? Whatever is she thinking?
All of this because 14 million Americans (less than 5% of the population) can’t afford health insurance. Even if they were given a $5,000 per year subsidy, that would cost a total of $70 billion per year, or about 13% of the current Social Security budget.
Raising Social Security taxes (or the cap on income subject to them) may not be the best way to fund a $70 billion/year health-care-for-the-poor program, but at least it would leave everybody else’s health insurance unchanged.
Besides, if Congress adopted free-market health-care reform (caps on medical malpractice suits, allow purchase of insurance across state lines, allow high-deductible catastrophic-care policies, and PRIVATE for-profit co-ops for small businesses and the self-employed), the cost for insuring the poor might even be less. Why mess up insurance for 85% of the population for the sake of less than 5%?
Steve Z on September 8, 2009 at 5:15 PM
The problem with the people who can afford to buy insurance but choose not to (and I leave out of this the superrich who can afford to pay their own bills out of pocket) is that if something catastrophic happens to them, the rest of us who DO practice individual responsibility are somehow left to mop up the mess via higher costs for services. This, for me, is the eternal conundrum of the libertarian. I’m all about not telling people what to do or what to buy, but when someone else’s irresponsibility hits me in the pocketbook . . . what to do? Certainly nothing that the morons in Congress have proposed so far, but I’m not sure what the answer is.
NoLeftTurn on September 8, 2009 at 5:30 PM
I would like to believe that Snowe is trying to make the plan so expensive that it won’t pass but unfortunately I know better.
Dollayo on September 8, 2009 at 6:01 PM
Unbelievable. Baucus and Snow spend and others spend months in conference and this is what they come up with? In essence a plan to tax the insurance company’s to pay for heath care for the un-insured along with some tax credits. Could have come up with this cock a maney scheme in five minutes while sitting on the throne. Can not believe we elect such dimwits. Heaven help us. Hope all who want hope and change will be glad that the change will be a lowering of their take home wage so they can hope they earn enough to feed their family after the government is done with us. Yep, Hope and Change. Bend over and grab. Here it comes. God, got to love it. .
Rockman44 on September 8, 2009 at 6:29 PM
So much depends on the age of the oldest parent and the state you live in. My household of 2 adults costs $1500 a month to insure with $5000 deductible. I think that would be tough for someone making $66,000 a year. My husband turned 56 and our premiums went up $400 a month. I have tried to find other insurance, but can’t. I was turned down because I had a kidney stone 3 years ago.
bopbottle on September 8, 2009 at 7:24 PM
Just wondering. If any of you were a “blue dog” Democrat, what could they offer you to entice you to change your vote?
Every man has his price and those on Capitol Hill are just a bit pricier than the common man.
I would be stunned if they stuck to their guns…not because of their convictions as I believe they’re more motivated by votes than in doing what’s right for the country in the long run, but because of the stinginess factor and thus stupidity in this high stakes power play on the part of the White House and the Congressional Dem leadership.
A few million in some way shape or form should do the trick as long as it’s a greater amount than they could rake in during their congressional careers should they get re-elected.
Dr. ZhivBlago on September 8, 2009 at 7:41 PM
I would like to point out that I make under 50k a year. I support a family of FOUR (two children and two adults) in two DIFFERENT houses and I can afford insurance for myself, my ex wife, and my sons.
Seriously. I don’t get what they’re pointing at here. If you can’t afford insurance making over 30k a year there’s something wrong with how you manage your money.
One Angry Christian on September 8, 2009 at 8:10 PM
You say rant. I say sweet music to my ears.
Blacksmith8 on September 8, 2009 at 9:20 PM
Ed, you are as guilty as Snowe and others of presuming that the nation is purely homogeneous.
$50,000/year in Mississippi may purchase for you a much better home, better food, and a better all around life than will $50,000/year in San Francisco or other high cost of living locations. ANY such cap needs to be scaled by the relative LOCAL cost of living for the individuals compared to the national average.
Besides, if it is not good enough for ALL government workers, elected and non-elected, it is not good enough for the COTUS, Citizens Of The US, their bosses.
And if the bill is so horrible they cannot stand to read it, every word of it, and understand it, every ramification of it, then they should not be in office. It would behoove us to remove such scoundrels from office at the first opportunity.
{o.o}
herself on September 9, 2009 at 8:04 AM