New meme: Reading legislation is counterproductive

posted at 2:21 pm on September 8, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

Where ignorance is bliss, ’tis folly to be wise.  The often-misquoted finale to Thomas Gray’s Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College applies to Washington DC, where Politico reports that reading legislation and learning its contents actually is less productive than … ignorance.  In fact, Gray’s entire poem applies to the meme that shading one’s eyes to facts and education, including even elected officials and staffers, would find enlightenment through a lack of serious study:

Across the country, “Read the bill!” has become a rallying cry of the health care debate.

People are shouting it at town halls. Local newspapers teem with editorials and readers’ letters demanding that lawmakers do it. Bloggers and their commenters say the same. Politicians of both parties are taunting their foes across the aisle with it.

But reading actual legislative text is often the least productive way to learn what’s actually in a bill.

Consider the House health care bill (or bills, as it were). The 1,017-page text is a tangle of references to other clauses, sections and subsections of the bill as well as numerous other statutes — some passed ages ago, all a pain to locate and search, even online: “Section 1179 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1320d-8) is amended” by striking this and inserting that, or “the tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax imposed by this chapter for the purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for the purposes of section 55.”

Got that?

“These bills are not written for even the educated layperson. They are written for specialists,” said Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers.

Even legislative staffers who deal with an issue every day can miss or fail to grasp the consequence of small turns of legislative language. “The legislative process is made up of people who are artisans at being able to craft language that looks innocuous” but isn’t, said Scott Lilly, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress who spent more than three decades as a high-level staffer on Capitol Hill.

The problem, as one correspondent put it in an e-mail, is that the laws don’t just apply to the so-called “specialists”.  They apply to all of us, which is why we elect citizens to Congress.  We expect them to know what is in those bills before voting on them.  The elected officials are the last line of defense for citizens from a federal bureaucracy that has a built-in impulse for overgrowth and the tyranny of bean-counters.

Victoria McGrane writes that an industry of advisers and consultants exist to walk politicians and staffers through complicated bills.  That includes the CBO, the CRS, staffers, outside advocacy groups, and perhaps even an army of Davids in the blogosphere.  However, she also notes that this process needs a lot of time to work.  The Obama administration’s effort to jam ObamaCare through Congress at breakneck speed would have effectively bypassed all of those processes and rendered Congress completely ignorant of ObamaCare’s actual impact — just as it did with cap-and-trade four weeks earlier.

This argument, in fact, calls into question the entire process of thousand-page bills that attempt to overhaul the private-sector economy.  If Congress can’t be expected to read the bill because it’s far too complicated, then maybe that means the effort is misguided from the start.  If a Congressman can’t comprehend the bill that would accomplish it, they probably can’t comprehend the economics they want to overhaul.  It would be better to leave the private sector in the hands of the consumers and producers in that case.

At the heart of the matter, Congress exists to ensure that bad laws do not get passed and that Americans keep their liberty, and that won’t happen as long as elected officials shirk their responsibilities on Capitol Hill.  Gray emphasized “Where ignorance is bliss,” in his impassioned poem against irresponsibility, and to some extent Utopianism.  It’s never folly to be wise, except when living in fantasies, which is exactly where HR3200 originated.

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The founding fathers are turning over in their graves.

UltimateBob on September 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

WHO is writing these bills if the idiots in Congress can’t even understand them?

We elected Representatives and Senators to write the bills–not third-party, communist associations and organizations.

Enoxo on September 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM

(pounding head on desk)

thomasaur on September 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM

If ignorance is bliss, members of Congress must be the happiest people on the planet.

flipflop on September 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

“Gentlemen! We’ve got to protect our phoney-baloney jobs! Harumph! Harumph!”

ExUrbanKevin on September 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

But reading actual legislative text is often the least productive way to learn what’s actually in a bill.

Ah, now I see.

Boy, I could’ve saved a lot of time in college had I known this little secret about learning.

mankai on September 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

..it’s come to this: their stock in trade is the bills that these 535 clowns create to govern our lives and yet they can’t be bothered to do their job.

Maybe we taxpayers can’t be bothered to read the persiflage thrown at us prior to each March 15th/April 15th and don’t pay our taxes?

VoyskaPVO on September 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Lawmakers need to sign each page of a bill before voting on it.

With cameras present.

If they can’t finish reading it, they should not vote on it. And you still need a majority to pass the damned thing.

What a bunch of slackers: I do not vote for rubber stampers, for staff, nor for committee approval. I vote for a Representative who will actually read what the hell they are voting on.

ajacksonian on September 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Read the bills, there will be a test afterward. Can’t pass the test? No pay for you!

rightside on September 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM

The founding fathers are turning over in their graves.

UltimateBob on September 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

I think they are joining a circus due to the flipping in their graves. They don’t need a net when they fall off the wire.

:(

upinak on September 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM

They don’t have time to read the bills. they have trips and meals to go to with Lobbyists.

kingsjester on September 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Wow.
Just effing Wow.

Now, I’m feeling like Michelle Obama used to feel. NOT proud of my country. Wait…I’m proud of regular people who work hard every day. People in office? I’m so ashamed, I’d like to be an Australian citizen right about now.

bridgetown on September 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

You know, they sure are making a big deal about not reading these bills! What do they gain from this exactly? What would it cost them to say, ‘yes we’ve read the bill’ to shut people up?

I guess they lose the ability to say ‘oh I had no idea’ when people discover the poison pills buried in them.

Dark Eden on September 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

they have trips and meals to go to with Lobbyists.

kingsjester on September 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM

..while the Lobbyist’s lawyers write the bills.

thomasaur on September 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

“Fantasy” and “Washington, DC” go hand in hand.

GarandFan on September 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

They’re probably too busy reading this:

40 More Years: How the Democrats Will Rule the Next Generation – By James Carville

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #143,373 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

OK, maybe not.

Pablo on September 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

I SO wish I could be in DC on 09/12

Thanks to all who are going. Know that there are millions out here who can’t be there, but have your back~

bridgetown on September 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

But reading actual legislative text is often the least productive way to learn what’s actually in a bill.

Ah, now I see.

Boy, I could’ve saved a lot of time in college had I known this little secret about learning.

mankai on September 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

What would you expect from people that think we can spend our way out of debt…

CC

CapedConservative on September 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM

All we need is one member in each chamber.

They can insist on following the proper Parlimentary procedure and not give their consent to bypass the public reading of the bill when it comes up for discussion.

Just one member who’s willing to take the heat from the rest of them and these bills will have to be read out.

The Congressional Leadership, of course, is aghast at even a mention of this idea, declaring that if it happened that Congress would get nothing done. I forget, how would that be a problem?

KCSteve on September 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Screw it all then (throws hands up). I mean, seriously.

Their entire JOB description is about writing and reading bills.

Some things don’t get me too uptight.

Blatant, willful ignorance and/or utter obtuseness (purposefully, mind you) get by blood boiling to unsafe levels.

Diane on September 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM

(pounding head on desk)

thomasaur on September 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Right there with you. Asprin? Seriously, are these really the best people we could send to D.C.?

Cindy Munford on September 8, 2009 at 2:33 PM

And the entire Bill of Rights was only two pages.

Of course, that was when they actually had to write their thoughts on a piece of paper, thereby having to actually think about what they were writing.

BacaDog on September 8, 2009 at 2:33 PM

The attempt to steamroll the healthcare proposals through Congress by the Jug-eared One’s artificial deadline was intended to insure that the ramifications of all of the details buried in the obscure language of the bill would not be discovered, much less considered, until it was too late.

You can understand their impulse to attempt this deception given the success of the left in writing all kinds of their pet projects into law with the “stimulus” bill under the guise of emergency.

Duplicitous bastards, all.

hillbillyjim on September 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM

get by my blood boiling

Fixed, of course.

Diane on September 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM

For those whose only interest is in promoting chaos, reading legislation (or having it open and available long enough for others to delve into it and find what it really says before it is voted on) is not productive, in the least. Chaos thrives under ignorance.

The left is aimed at fomenting chaos in our society. That is the point of all of their legislation, so, in their world, having legislation understood is clearly counter-productive.

Chaos serves two important purposes for the left:

Firstly, it serves to undermine the structure of our society and helps to destroy any sense of rule or tradition.

Secondly, and more importantly to them, chaos creates an environment in which incompetence is lost in the tangle of other problems. One becomes unable to judge a person’s abilities, since they are operating in a chaotic environment that works against any sense of order or reason. This is of utmost importance to the left, since most of their ideas require the abandonment of any objective measures of competence or ability. Objective measures are the clearest arguments against all leftist theory, so those measures must be killed. Chaos must reign for the left to even have a chance.

progressoverpeace on September 8, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Uhh yeah so the tax imposed by the section is in addition to the tax imposed by the chapter to subtracted from any credit. Lets see how that looks in algebreic form.
1-1+1=-0
Ok whew I see what you mean Scott.

On a side note you need to try and read the South Florida Building Code. SFBC

sonnyspats1 on September 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM

H.R. 3218, the GOP healthcare proposal, was 24 pages long. It can be simple, if you’re not trying to create white collar welfare for lawyers…

phreshone on September 8, 2009 at 2:35 PM

If you don’t understand the legislative bill you’re reading, it’s absolutely impossible to understand the consequences of that legislation, which in turn makes it morally indefensible to take any stance – except to vote ‘No’…..and we’ve been seeing a LOT of that lately, haven’t we??????

alwyr on September 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Wait – If our representatives [sic] in Congress aren’t “specialists” then who the hell are?

Farmer_Joe on September 8, 2009 at 2:36 PM

It has to be this way. Otherwise the communists that were elected, couldn’t get any of their agenda done, while us moron citizens sit around waiting for them to take care of us.

capejasmine on September 8, 2009 at 2:37 PM

And the entire Bill of Rights was only two pages.

Of course, that was when they actually had to write their thoughts on a piece of paper, thereby having to actually think about what they were writing.

Oooh! There’s an idea. Constitutional amendment: Henceforth, all bills before Congress must be handwritten using quill and parchment.

Farmer_Joe on September 8, 2009 at 2:37 PM

What would you expect from people that think we can spend our way out of debt…

CC

CapedConservative on September 8, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Yeah. I’m obviously doing it wrong. I’ll most likely need to get some advice from my elected officials on the finer points of borrowing money to get out of debt.

Capital One doesn’t think it’s going to work for me.

BobMbx on September 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Clever way of putting it – “counter-productive” to read the bill. Wonder how many in congress will grasp onto that nugget of a word for their own defense? Same way they throw around “reform”, I suppose.

betsyz on September 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM

I have a pocket version of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence combined that I can fit into my shirt pocket.

aquaviva on September 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Henceforth, all bills before Congress must be handwritten using quill and parchment.

Farmer_Joe on September 8, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I would support that amendment.

thomasaur on September 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

There is simply no reason to pass a bill with more than 10 pages, single spaced, eight and a half by eleven, 14 point type.

Buford Gooch on September 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

If it’s too big to read, it’s too big to vote on.

CurtZHP on September 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Yeah, just let Apollo Associates write bills for us. You know they would not write a bill like the Porkulus that was pushed through our ignorant but bliss Congress.

d1carter on September 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM

In the computer programming business we call that “spaghetti code”. We are a victim of spaghetti legislation. Once something gets that far gone you have to start from scratch.

tommuck on September 8, 2009 at 2:42 PM

“These bills are not written for even the educated layperson. They are written for specialists,” said Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers.

What exactly is a “specialist”?

Call up the IRS during tax season and you will get five different answers to the same question from so-called “specialists”, because no one can understand these inane Bills.

Until this Bill is in plain English it should be rejected, because if it isn’t, it can be interpreted one hundred different ways.

This is why government is wasteful and cannot get a thing done right.

NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Can we agree that lib or conservative, this is the most infuriating, disrespectful load of crap? Do they come out with this stuff to infuriate voters even MORE?

marklmail on September 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM

A Reublican should read every bill out loud on the floor in it’s entirity before a vote. That’s how you fillibuster. Only one of two things happen as a result, either Reid cuts them off and looks like a spoiled brat or the people hear how stupid these bills are.

cadams on September 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM

I was talking with a buddy of mine who put this same arguement to me – what is the point of reading it if you can’t understand it . . . and it amazes me that his mind works that way, instead of “if you cant understand it, then you shouldn’t vote on it”

seaniep on September 8, 2009 at 2:45 PM

So our whole system of having representatives in government has been rendered just about useless by having them vote on legislation that is not intended to be understood by the people voting on them.

I want to see DC burn. I really, really do.

Aitch748 on September 8, 2009 at 2:46 PM

Reading legislation is counterproductive

In keeping with plausible deniability, that is.

Geronimo on September 8, 2009 at 2:46 PM

All the more reason why the federal government shouldn’t be doing this.

WisCon on September 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Liberal Lawyers have caused 99.999% of all the problems in America.

kirkill on September 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Where the law is ambiguous or uncertain, petty bureaucrats will get to decide what the law says.

This is what the left wants, but I don’t see how you can call this a good thing in any shape or form.

18-1 on September 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM

How about a mandatory reading period for every bill introduced in congress, length of reading period equal to at least one hour for every page of the bill?

mathdoc on September 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

In general I am not in favor of amending our constitution. However, my fantasy is that we have an amendment that requires any new legislation to remove twice as many key strokes from existing law as it proposes to add to existing law. When tne collective size of all federal laws becomes manageable, say five to ten percent of its current size, the reduction would be modified to maintain that size.

burt on September 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

And the entire Bill of Rights was only two pages.

Of course, that was when they actually had to write their thoughts on a piece of paper, thereby having to actually think about what they were writing.

BacaDog on September 8, 2009 at 2:33 PM

… and engage in reasoned debate, not call each other terrorists, nutjobs, etc.

These days, all they do on Washington is say to each other, “You vote on mine and I’ll vote on yours” without ever having laid eyes on the actual bill.

UltimateBob on September 8, 2009 at 2:49 PM

Liberal Lawyers have caused 99.999% of all the problems in America.

kirkill on September 8, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Yeah, you know, it’s really unfair to the other 0.001%. The other 99.999% are giving them a bad name.

UltimateBob on September 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM

Is there anybody here that would not like to watch Sheila Jackson-Lee try and read a bill?

My side hurts thinking about it.

HoustonRight on September 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM

A Reublican should read every bill out loud on the floor in it’s entirity before a vote. That’s how you fillibuster. Only one of two things happen as a result, either Reid cuts them off and looks like a spoiled brat or the people hear how stupid these bills are.

cadams on September 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM

IIRC, with the Stimulus the Republicans were thinking of demanding the bill be read in its entirety – as is their right.

The Democrats responded by hiring a speed reader in case the Republicans made that move. Because obviously hiring a speed reader would help people understand what they are voting on.

One of the key differences between the left and the right is that the left has no interest in precedent, procedure, or the final limits on what government can not do in a free society. “They won” and they should get whatever the heck they want whether or not they even know what they are legislating.

18-1 on September 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM

If I may be so impertinent as to ask, If “ignorance before the law is no excuse”, ie; you can’t lament to a judge that you didn’t know “it” was against law. How the hell can bureaucrats get away with trying to enforce laws they are ignorant of?

Put simply, if neither the citizens nor the government understand what the laws actually are, just what the flyin F#$K is the point.

This can only open the door to arbitrary enforcement according to political association, and perhaps that is the point!

Archimedes on September 8, 2009 at 2:52 PM

ExUrbanKevin on September 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Classic. Mel at his best.

Zorg on September 8, 2009 at 2:54 PM

The founding fathers are turning over in their graves.

UltimateBob on September 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

You know, I used to think that but now I’m not so sure. I believe that this system that the founding fathers developed was the very best that man on earth in any age could possibly conceive of, to apply checks and balances on the tyranny of government.

What we are witnessing now, in the age of Obama, is its greatest ever test.

Puddleglum on September 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM

Call up the IRS during tax season and you will get five different answers to the same question from so-called “specialists”, because no one can understand these inane Bills.

NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM

Oh, but you didn’t even mention the best part. If you call the IRS for advice and follow what they tell you, you are still legally culpable if the advice you followed is deemed incorrect by another member of the IRS.

18-1 on September 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Time to bring back the RIF program

WashJeff on September 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM

The founding fathers are turning over in their graves.

UltimateBob on September 8, 2009 at 2:21 PM

They scratched themselves out of their caskets and dug a tunnel to Honduras.

Daggett on September 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Would it be too outlandish to suggest that the solution is to write bills in plain language and try to keep them more simple?

Jill1066 on September 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM

I’ve long said if you get a choice, you should choose to be stupid. Being smart is often a detriment to happiness rather than an indicator of it.

Douches and turd sandwiches are the only people capable of making it in politics, lobbyists control the government, and partisans will always be partisans first, forsaking all logical conversations on policy in favor of heated rhetoric designed to make your opponent look like a racist or worse.

Maybe the American experiment has failed.

Esthier on September 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM

Would it be too outlandish to suggest that the solution is to write bills in plain language and try to keep them more simple?

Jill1066 on September 8, 2009 at 2:59 PM

Come on, what you are suggesting would completely take the fun out of being a government bureaucrat.

18-1 on September 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM

Reading most legislation is almost impossible without a legislative library. That’s why this stuff needs to be simplified.

fleiter on September 8, 2009 at 3:01 PM

…and I say NOT reading the legislation is grounds for dismissal / impeachment because by voting on it either way without reading it they are NOT representing their constituency…unless their constituency consists of a bunch of illiterate, ignorant, low-IQ socialist lemmings, then I say they don’t deserve representation. They need a one way ticket out of this country.

Liberals are completely WORTHLESS. This bullsh1t is getting out of hand. A stand needs to be made to get rid of these stupid socialist cretins once and for all.

Spiritk9 on September 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM

A Reublican should read every bill out loud on the floor in it’s entirity before a vote. That’s how you fillibuster. Only one of two things happen as a result, either Reid cuts them off and looks like a spoiled brat or the people hear how stupid these bills are.

cadams on September 8, 2009 at 2:44 PM

+100 !!!

Some Democrats are saying that protesters are misleading people because they supposedly don’t know what is in the bill. But how can Congress members lead people if they DON’T know what’s in the bill?

I propose an Amendment to the health-care bill. Any member of Congress who has not read the bill may, when they get sick, only seek help from people who have never read a medical textbook or journal. Let them FEEL how blissful ignorance is!

Steve Z on September 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM

Bull.

I’m a lawyer. I have to read statutes, understand them, read court decisions applying them, understand them, and render opinions or make arguments on behalf of my clients based on what I’ve read. This always requries focus. It sometimes frustrates the heck out of me – especially when reading a recently passed amendment that sets forth the changes but not the original text being amended.

But, guess what, that’s my job. If I screw it up, I will have problems getting paid. Now if a third-career lawyer schooled at a land-grant lawschool in the great middle of this country can figure it out, I expect the bright lights of Washington D.C. to do so. Those who admit they are incapable of doing so, should resign but must be replaced.

Sheesh!

Tamaqua on September 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM

In the computer programming business we call that “spaghetti code”. We are a victim of spaghetti legislation. Once something gets that far gone you have to start from scratch.

tommuck on September 8, 2009 at 2:42 PM

By “start from scratch” I hope you mean “abandon the whole damn idea and let the free market process the data instead.”

Because once you start trying to legislate the fluctuating needs, requirements and priorities of hundreds of millions of unique individuals, it is not even possible to write clean code. It’s always going to be full of magic numbers, erratic gotos and clumsy hacks.

Sharke on September 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM

WHO is writing these bills if the idiots in Congress can’t even understand them?

Enoxo on September 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM

The Apollo Group. A group founded by one of the two guys that founded the Weather Underground. (Bill Ayers was the other founder of the Weather Underground. What a coincidence.)

barnone on September 8, 2009 at 3:04 PM

Oooh! There’s an idea. Constitutional amendment: Henceforth, all bills before Congress must be handwritten using quill and parchment.

Farmer_Joe on September 8, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I’d support that.

Or maybe another practical solution would be to force those who aren’t voting “present” to actually take a test on the bill they’re about to vote for or against, and then publish the results of the test.

We’ve done nothing to ensure that the people we elected actually do their jobs. It’s disgusting.

Esthier on September 8, 2009 at 3:05 PM

Maybe I’m simple; but as a congress-critter I’d think you only have three options.

1) Read the bill, understand it, vote on its merits.

2) Read the bill, fail to understand it, vote against it in the hopes a comprehensible bill will be presented later.

3) Randomly vote on crap like a monkey, regardless of whether you read it or not; using only partisan politics of who presented it as a vague guideline driving your vote.

Only one option makes any possible sense; and only one option is used commonly in Congress. Sadly they aren’t anywhere near the same option.

gekkobear on September 8, 2009 at 3:07 PM

“These bills are not written for even the educated layperson. They are written for specialists,” said Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers.

What a freakin’ crock.

ladyingray on September 8, 2009 at 3:07 PM

Smart power.

TheQuestion on September 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM

“These bills are not written for even the educated layperson. They are written for specialists,” said Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers.

And in relates news…

“Math is hard,” declared Barbie.

elgeneralisimo on September 8, 2009 at 3:09 PM

These bills are not written for even the educated layperson. They are written for specialists,” said Ross Baker, a political scientist at Rutgers

Actually they are written for the citizens of the United States of America, write them so that they can read and understand them.

thomasaur on September 8, 2009 at 3:13 PM

I propose an Amendment to the health-care bill. Any member of Congress who has not read the bill may, when they get sick, only seek help from people who have never read a medical textbook or journal. Let them FEEL how blissful ignorance is!

Steve Z on September 8, 2009 at 3:03 PM

How about we force them to have their cars serviced by someone who knows nothing about brakes instead. Top priority to be given to Democrats representing the 8th District of California, which I believe includes Nancy Pelsoi and San Francisco.

Sharke on September 8, 2009 at 3:14 PM

Then don’t write them so long….morons.

thebrokenrattle on September 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Reading legislation Congress is counterproductive.

FIFY

annoyinglittletwerp on September 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Anyone who has been in school has had a teacher/instructor/professor ask him/her, “Did you read the assignment?”

Implicit in that question is understanding.

If you are asked a question about the content of a group of words, and cannot answer that question, the questioner a priori assumes you have not read it.

Since our lawmakers choose to be so obtuse about the issue, I guess we’ll have to ask in precise “specialist language” have you read and understood the bill.

Vivkie Migraine’s missive, however, is another elitist piece of garbage trying to tell the unwashed that this lawmaking business is above us. We’re probable being racist about this, too.

davidk on September 8, 2009 at 3:19 PM

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Function: adjective

Text: 1 not having or showing an ability to absorb ideas readily; 2 not fulfilling job duties because, hell, because because.

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Diane on September 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM

Oh, but you didn’t even mention the best part. If you call the IRS for advice and follow what they tell you, you are still legally culpable if the advice you followed is deemed incorrect by another member of the IRS.

18-1 on September 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM

Of course.

That’s why I don’t care WHAT Obama says is in the Bill and really I don’t care what the Bill says.

The point is, I don’t trust Obama and after they pass this crap sandwich, it will mean whatever he wants it to mean.

That’s how Democrats always operate. They write nonsensical Bills and once they pass them, they have the agencies in charge of carrying them out, interpret them in a way that’s different than any reasonable individual would interpret them.

Then they have a jackass, unethical, unqualified judge like Sotomeyor uphold the interpretation, when challenged.

You can’t trust Democrats. Kill this Bill.

NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Congress has not yet reached the coveted aqua level on SRS — required proficiency in reading, comprehension and recall with skills measured by a quiz after each reading selection. Remember that program in grade school?

publiuspen on September 8, 2009 at 3:23 PM

Then don’t write them so long….morons.

thebrokenrattle on September 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM

Or, at all. Or, negate some. I don’t know. How about you guys up there just sit in your offices and play solitaire and update your facebooks…I DON’T CARE. Just get out of my life.

Diane on September 8, 2009 at 3:24 PM

How to fix this problem? EASY!

Amend the constitution so that bills can not be longer than 100 pages. Or rather, to avoid 100 pages of size 2 text, bill can’t be longer than 10,000 words.

Trov on September 8, 2009 at 3:27 PM

D.C. just supplanted Disneyworld as the happiest place on earth.

johnnybgood on September 8, 2009 at 3:28 PM

Or, at all. Or, negate some. I don’t know. How about you guys up there just sit in your offices and play solitaire and update your facebooks…I DON’T CARE. Just get out of my life.

Diane on September 8, 2009 at 3:24 PM

Completely agree. How much better off we would be if everyone in Congress and in the White House, did NOTHING for a year?

Then they whine about working so hard. I have an idea for them – RESIGN. What you’re working for, we don’t want.

NoDonkey on September 8, 2009 at 3:28 PM

I SO wish I could be in DC on 09/12

Thanks to all who are going. Know that there are millions out here who can’t be there, but have your back~

bridgetown on September 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM

Me too.

tigerlily on September 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM

Just get out of my life.

Diane on September 8, 2009 at 3:24 PM

davidk on September 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM

“Counterproductive”? I don’t want Congress to be “productive” in the first place. I want them to stop.

The only thing Congress can “produce” is more legislation, which means more restrictions on freedom. I want them to stop!

I’d rather vote for a congresscritter that ran on a platform of “If elected, I will do absolutely nothing.” We’d all be better off if Congress would just STOP!

ZenDraken on September 8, 2009 at 3:32 PM

I’ve been around for a while; I’m in my 50s. This combination of Presidential administration and Congress is by far the worst of my lifetime. It’s as though they deliberately listed all the bad habits of both President and Congress for the last 40 years and took them all to reductio ad absurdum. Then they rub our noses in it just to make sure we get the message. They are recklessly arrogant, and shamelessly broadcast the fact to the entire nation. It’s as though I went to bed one night and woke up the next day on a different planet.

jwolf on September 8, 2009 at 3:33 PM

I’d rather vote for a congresscritter that ran on a platform of “If elected, I will do absolutely nothing.” We’d all be better off if Congress would just STOP!

ZenDraken on September 8, 2009 at 3:32 PM

…and furthermore I will do everything in my power to stop the rest of these D!@#heads from doing anything.

thomasaur on September 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM

But reading actual legislative text is often the least productive way to learn what’s actually in a bill.

Ah, OK. So if I look up words in a dictionary I still won’t learn how to spell or understand their meanings. And if I pull open an encyclopedia to an entry I won’t learn squat about the subject.

OK–so if I sit on the pot when I need to do my business, I didn’t shit when it’s all done?

Who can come up with this and keep a straight face and, more, who believes this tripe?

We really need to destroy the MSM as a quasi-credible source of any kind.

Liam on September 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM

There oughta be a law….
The Comprehension Act
Before being allowed the priviledge of voting for any legislation before the congress, the senator or representative must demonstrate comprehension of the law by passing a test crafted by the opposition party. In the case of legislation proposed by members of both parties, no one is allowed to vote for it.

Cricket624 on September 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

The Constitution, arguably the most important political document in history, and certainly the most successful one is what, a few dozen pages?

And the Health Scare bill is over a thousand, and is so arcane that only “specialists” can understand it.

Gee, doesn’t that sound like a wee little problem?

Maybe our esteemed solons should drop back a notch or two and consider a framework for Health Care governmental oversight that would encourage a few practices like cost control, insurance portability, assistance for genuinely poor citizens, competition in private markets and Tort Reform. 10 pages should be more than enough.

But of course, I’m just joking.

We don’t have any esteemed solons.

notagool on September 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Another thing the libs HOPE people ignore is, that if you sue, the court will go by the text of the law!

Serious case here of doublespeak.

Liam on September 8, 2009 at 3:45 PM

As a lawyer, I can tell ya this post is spot-on.

Remember “ignorance of the law is no excuse”? Not only is the layman citizen “ignorant” of a bill that only legal specialists can understand or begin to apply, but the elected representative is ignorant of it while voting for/against it.

So is “ignorance of the law” now an excuse? Or should we demand more plain language legislation? Would YOU sign a contract 1,000 pages thick written in true legalese filled with trap-doors and gray areas?

Makes ya wonder who is really running the country, and for how long.

Do not believe anyone that says something is “in a bill”. It may be in one bill, or another, or added in an later rider, or an amendment, or written to refer to another piece of legislation, etc. So it is hard to say “we won” in keeping a provision out of a bill, which may be written back in later (or put in effect some other way), not to mention all the promises of what IS in the bill or what the bill will do, that it actually doesn’t do.

It’s a sick, psycho shell game with your liberty and money on the line. That’s why I say, “this is all far from over.”

Saltyron on September 8, 2009 at 3:49 PM

There oughta be a law….
The Comprehension Act
Before being allowed the priviledge of voting for any legislation before the congress, the senator or representative must demonstrate comprehension of the law by passing a test crafted by the opposition party. In the case of legislation proposed by members of both parties, no one is allowed to vote for it.

Cricket624 on September 8, 2009 at 3:41 PM

Most Excellent!

And if it causes Congressional “productivity” to grind to a complete halt, all the better!

Would Congress please just STOP!? Take a vacation! For the next two years! We’ll even pay for it!

ZenDraken on September 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM

Obama knows the seeds of American destruction are planted in all of these bills which WILL break us economically and enslave us in every way possible to HIM!

Health care must be stopped, but Obama must be removed. His takeover of GM and his outright theft from GM’s secured bondholders IS a high crime. And only one of dozens he has committed so far.

Is there just one elected official, anywhere, who has the courage to do the right thing and call this monster out?

And by that, I mean call for impeachment.

tigerlily on September 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM

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