Kos: The public option is the nutroots’ Waterloo
posted at 9:12 pm on September 8, 2009 by Allahpundit
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What they really want is ruinous single-payer, but they’ll accept a road-to-ruin public option in lieu of that — in the name of compromise, mind you. He’s still pushing the idea that last year’s election was an electoral endorsement of big-state Hopenchange, despite the tanking polls over the last month, despite the fact that the public is lukewarm at best about a public option, despite the resounding predictions even from lefty pollsters — including Nate Silver, speaking at Yearly Kos — that The One’s insane expansion of government will mean major pick-ups for the GOP next year. Oh well. Listen to him, Barry! Public option or bust, baby.
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I agree with Kos that I hope Barry does the right thing.
However, I expect Barry will do the Left thing.
Loxodonta on September 8, 2009 at 10:01 PM
What was Kos doing there at all? There’s no way Ed Schultz has a bigger audience than Daily Kos.
Jim Treacher on September 8, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Here’s another one:
After many victories, Queen Boudica’s army of Celts goes in for the kill against the Romans. But the Legionaires have chosen the battlefield and Obamacare is Boudica’s wagon train blocking the Celt’s escape when they’re beaten.
(I hate to compare Boudica to the Dems, but it seems applicable here).
Tony737 on September 8, 2009 at 10:01 PM
Waterloo!
wildcat84 on September 8, 2009 at 10:02 PM
I believe you mean Marshall Applewhite aka ‘Bo’.
And I like my AK over your Garand any day — Holds more shots!;)
Lanceman on September 8, 2009 at 10:02 PM
nagee76 on September 8, 2009 at 9:48 PM
seesalrun on September 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM
Wee-wee-loo.
Loxodonta on September 8, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I’ll see you one Boudica and raise a Cowpens–outmanned milita seems to be in retreat, turns and stuns pursuers into defeat…
Of course, it would do well for us to not be the French on the eve of Agincourt, counting the number of English we will capture…many a slipt twixt cup and lip..
Horatius on September 8, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Dang, Kos looks and sounds gay. Extremely gay. Gayishly gay.
Goes with the territory, I guess.
Splashman on September 8, 2009 at 10:07 PM
Has Kos ever read the Constitution?
DerKrieger on September 8, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Hoartius, brave Horatius you grant good council but Barry and the Dynamic Duo have not even allowed us to fill the cup thus we harbor no illusions about whetting our whistle before we take their flask….
keep on pluggin’
sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 10:09 PM
“It’s a living document”….
or translated from the dork:
1) democrats can do whatever they want the minute they have one vote over a polurality
2) shut up racist
sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Cowpens–outmanned milita seems to be in retreat, turns and stuns pursuers into defeat… – Horatius
Great anology! See, this is why I love HotAir, I mean, where else can you get your History geekness on and other people actually know what you’re talkin’ about? haha
Tony737 on September 8, 2009 at 10:10 PM
My compliments, sir.
And if they win–Guilford Court House, with them as the British.
Horatius on September 8, 2009 at 10:13 PM
Which one? Probably well-versed on China’s or the USSR’s. The US Constitution? Not so much.
I am continually amazed and awed at the wisdom of the Founders and what they were trying to implement. They truly feared a strong federal government for all of the reasons that we are seeing come to fruition with our current government that has disregarded and discarded the letter of Constitutional limits. The Constitution deliberately set limits “Congress shall not”, “Congress shal make no law …”, etc. Look at where we are now, having disregarded the admonitions of the Federalist and Anti-Federalist authors and how close we are coming to losing the final elements of our liberties and freedoms.
AZfederalist on September 8, 2009 at 10:15 PM
Mel Gibson did the real battle no favors with his acting….
Daniel Morgan knew that he should use the unique landscape of Cowpens and the time available before Tarleton’s arrival to his advantage. Furthermore, he knew his men and his opponent, knew how they would react in certain situations, and used this knowledge to his advantage.[27] To begin with, the location of his forces were contrary to any existing military doctrine: he placed his army between the Broad and Pacolet River, thus making escape impossible if the army was routed. His reason for cutting off escape was obvious: to ensure that the untrained militiamen would not, as they had been accustomed to do, turn in flight at the first hint of battle and abandon the regulars. (The Battle of Camden had ended in disaster when the militia, which was half of the American force, broke and ran as soon as the shooting started.) Selecting a hill as the center of his position, he placed his Continental infantry on it, deliberately leaving his flanks exposed to his opponent. Morgan reasoned that Tarleton would attack him head on, and he made his tactical preparations accordingly. He set up three lines of soldiers: one of skirmishers (sharpshooters); one of militia; and a main one. The 150 select skirmishers were from North Carolina (Major McDowell) and Georgia (Major Cunningham). Behind these men were 300 militiamen under the command of Andrew Pickens.
Realizing that poorly-trained militia were unreliable in battle, especially when they were under attack from cavalry, Morgan decided to ask the militia to fire two shots and then retreat, so he could have them re-form under cover of the reserve (light dragoons commanded by William Washington and James McCall) behind the third, more experienced line of militia and continentals. The movement of the militia in the second line would mask the third line to the British. The third line, composed of the remainder of the forces (about 550 men) was composed of Continentals from Delaware and Maryland, and militiamen from Georgia and Virginia. Colonel John Eager Howard commanded the Continentals and Colonels Tate and Triplett the militia. The goal of this strategy was to weaken and disorganize Tarleton’s forces (which would be attacking the third line uphill) before attacking and defeating them. Howard’s men would not be unnerved by the militia’s expected move, and unlike the militia they would be able to stand and hold, especially since the first and second lines, Morgan felt, would have inflicted both physical and psychological damage on the advancing British before the third line came into action.
Additionally, by placing his men downhill from the advancing British lines, Morgan exploited the British tendency to fire too high in battle. The downhill position of his forces allowed the British forces to be silhouetted against the morning sunlight, providing easy targets for Patriot troops. With a ravine on their right flank and a creek on their left flank, Morgan’s forces were protected against British flanking maneuvers at the beginning of the battle. Morgan insisted,[28]“the whole idea is to lead Benny [Tarleton] into a trap so we can beat his cavalry and infantry as they come up those slopes. When they’ve been cut down to size by our fire, we’ll attack them.”
In developing his tactics at Cowpens, as historian John Buchanan wrote, Morgan may have been “the only general in the American Revolution, on either side, to produce a significant original tactical thought.”
There’s a reason the liberals won’t teach about our Revolution…the ideas are dangerous and the results show that motivated Free Men can work miracles.
sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM
It’s not Waterloo, it’s Stalingrad.
Markos the marxist can go straight to hell.
BottomLine5 on September 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM
The Democrats do not know how to fight a non-linear 4th generation battleplan….
I detest labeling CoIn that, but will use the modern terminology for it as it is immaterial and the younger soldiers will recognize it.
The irony is of course they fashion themselves “revolutionairies” but cannot see that they are in fact the superstate they feign antipathy towards….
behind every intursion against the bill of rights writ large over time you’ll find a smiling moonbat.
sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Good points, and I do think that the essential problem is that they always assume that the government’s activity in the domestic arena will be benevolent and always under their control; that it cannot overstep its bounds–unless they wish it to do so. Now, naturally they do fear certain portions of the government, but then they turn around and think governmental expansion in other areas will never turn out ill for them or beard their liberties. Foolish. Men are not angels.
In the movie I thought it was funny the Carolina back-country had a stone house, and a ancient one at that…
I’ve been to the real battlefield…as with all of them, the smallness of the site is what hits you.
And for the record, I screwed up–it was the Continental line that turned on the pursuers, and the reformed militia flanked from the sides, which leads us to…
Cannae! Overly strong charge into causes envelopment from both sides…
Horatius on September 8, 2009 at 10:27 PM
Well, that would solve a lot of problems for a lot of folks. But I don’t think he has near enough gonads for it. He is just a talker who has to keep talking faster and louder to keep his following. Or to use a Texas term, all hat and no cattle. If you prefer the Cajun version, he has a alligator mouth and a humming bird ass.
MikeA on September 8, 2009 at 10:28 PM
I’m curious if Kos’ appearance will yield a big audience bump. The show is doing so terribly that even a small bump would be noticeable.
Khorum on September 8, 2009 at 10:32 PM
The fellow is delusional…though I have to admit not knowing any of the folk on that quaint niche network MSNBC…I thought they had folded…
JIMV on September 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Has anyone ever seen Kos and Peres Hilton in the same room? I think they are one in the same person.
PappaMac on September 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM
Mel Gibson did the real battle no favors with his acting – Sven
Good movie, but I don’t like when Hollywood takes a real life charcter like Tarleton, changes his name (”Tarrington”) and then changes what happened to him. Tarleton survied the war and went on to become an M.P.
Same goes for ‘Gladiator’ … Great movie, but Commodus did not die in the arena, he was murdered in his bath. C’mon Holyweird!
Tony737 on September 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM
also Greene, Morgan, Marion et al each had enough story to them that they didn’t need amalgamated….Mel Gibson decided to make the Cowpens into “Braveheart with Tri-Corns” and the film suffered for it….
Gladiator on the other hand while awesome popcorn seller failed for me on several levels in a way that I, Claudius though also of wobbly history did not….
I, Claudius embellishes and adds to prove universal truths that were evident in Rome….Gladiator used them to make a Hollywood film.
sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Markos is, when you boil it down, a mushy moderate. You can see in this clip he’s already working on his “we must stand with Messiah” if there is no public option. I remember reading on daily Kos the night their guy was getting creamed by Leibermann and Markos was trying to put a positive spin on it and many of his loyalists were very angered and asking his what “*&*&$%” planet he lived on.
Marcus on September 8, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Methinks Markos is a little right, though I am pained to admit he knows anything, but if Obamacare (note that it has been labeled that regardless of the source of the plan). Congress put Barry out front and hope, I think, to avoid the shrapnel when the initiative fails epically. Pelosi will deny everything and push it onto Hussein. He is the rookie, after all, this is his role.
Welcome to hardball, newbie. Even Pelosi could throw a strike, I think. You ain’t driving the bus, you are a hired hand…Michelle will need those arms to dig you up out of your grave, if she hasn’t had a better offer, clod.
Harry Schell on September 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM
These are the arms, of a miner…a digger….a lumberjack……a carpenter……
sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 10:45 PM
I like the way he’s framing this as either the “American people” win or “the lobbyists and the insurance companies” win.
What an incredible misread of the stakes in this debate.
DarthBrooks on September 8, 2009 at 10:58 PM
I don’t know how many “Waterloos” Obama has left in him. Has anyone noticed lately that he looks like something the cat dragged in? I don’t think he’s ever worked this hard in all his previous part-time jobs
long days as a hard working community organizerBarry-O’s looking more haggard than Bush did in the days & months following 9-11..
Oh, yeah, I almost forgot one more thing, the “birthers” & Orly Taitz won a huge victory in Santa Ana Federal Court today. But of course, that’s probably got its own thread here on HotAir. Oh, wait…
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Finally, a judge who respects the Constitution, is at least willing to force Obama to prove his eligibilty- notice I didn’t mention his birth certificate. I’m not a “birther” or a “bliefer” (blind believer in Obama) but I’m a “dualer” (as in Obama’s dual citizenship makes him not natural-born). Color me happy tonight.
NightmareOnKStreet on September 8, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Man, is that guy ‘beta’ or what?
Probably mailed his sperm to the wife to get her pregnant.
I hope Obama tries to force the public plan, and then he and the Dems will be crucified for sure next Nov.
I’ll bet it is some sneaky toehold they push through. But if they use Recon., all hell will break loose.
Sapwolf on September 8, 2009 at 11:08 PM
He’s an evil internet blogger.
Del Dolemonte on September 8, 2009 at 11:11 PM
I sense some fatigue, and doubt maybe?
Sapwolf on September 8, 2009 at 11:28 PM
Kos hears the bus engine and sees Ogabe putting on his driving helmet….
“smells like Marxist spirit”
sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM
Anyone know where this douche bag, Kos lives?
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on September 8, 2009 at 11:52 PM
Mexifornia….he’s Charles Johnson’s roommate I hear….
//wink
sven10077 on September 8, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Is it just me or do Jabba the Hut and Horseteeth not understand something obviously outlined in one of our nation’s most famous writings, The Federalist paper’s? (the philosophy of unite or die)
I think horseteeth recognized the fact democrats have a problem with his “They are not even negotiating with republicans. They are negotiating with eachother.” comment, but Jabba continues to disparage “blue dogs” who hold a lot of the key votes they need to cram a public option down a throats.
Eprider on September 8, 2009 at 11:56 PM
Are We There Yet?
2010
Reality Check on September 8, 2009 at 11:57 PM
thith ith where we fight
Yeah, I wanna see that. Right after I see him throw a baseball.
greggriffith on September 9, 2009 at 12:01 AM
hey everyone knows bowling is his sport….
sven10077 on September 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM
At the kness of his boyfriend would be my guess.
azkenreid on September 9, 2009 at 12:15 AM
Hey Alla, would you please stop posting the lispy leftist, man I will have to slit my wrist if I have to listen the the noodle spine (slang for a cigarette here).,
david kumbera on September 9, 2009 at 12:16 AM
It doesn’t matter what number of people show up in DC on 9/12; the fact that MANY do so will be sufficient for now. We have gotten no PSM (piss stream media) support on this so it is as Grassroots as it comes. The steadily increasing number of anti/tax anti/spend patriots appearing at each event is a strong sign that we will not be ignored any more.
Keep showing up at your local tea parties. Call down your current elected reps/sens and make them take a stand. Bring your video cameras. The PSM cannot keep spinning it all.
This is not a sprint but a marathon. Be in this for the long haul as your opponents are too. This victory will go to the most dedicated….that must me us. We have 100 years of Progressive policies to overcome & roll back….or we can try and learn to live with 7th century Sharia policies. I would rather put up a spirited defense.
GnuBreed on September 9, 2009 at 12:18 AM
That kos dude, isn’t he the open sewer of the internet we were warned about?
huckelberry on September 9, 2009 at 1:13 AM
I was reading Koz’s wiki bio. Did you guys know that he used to be a republican. I guess he was really active also–precinct captain and all. I already knew about his military service. Didn’t know about the GOP thing. Wow.
EMR on September 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM
Yeah I also used to be Genghis Khan…
sven10077 on September 9, 2009 at 6:35 AM
@edmorrissey NYDaily News reporting Obama HC speech will lack demand for public option. http://tinyurl.com/len3wa
JiangxiDad on September 9, 2009 at 6:45 AM
I wasn’t being facetious. check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas
EMR on September 9, 2009 at 7:09 AM
Markos Moulitsas: Reason #494 that the world might have been better off without the Internet.
Red Cloud on September 9, 2009 at 7:27 AM
This is what the democrats have become. The party of Marxist , commies, kooks and homosexuals ( I refuse to call them gays)
Conservative Blogs Central
Nearly Nobody on September 9, 2009 at 7:37 AM
either Me$$iah the lightworker thinks he can sneak it by, or he will sign the back of a Burger King reciept to get away from this….
which do you think JD?
sven10077 on September 9, 2009 at 7:42 AM
Neither was I….
Kos is about a year older than me…looks a decade older but I digress…
I was active in the 1988 campaign myself…worked for Bush the elder…
I didn’t see a lot of 17 year old prcinct captains….
YMMV.
by the way I can go start a “sven 10077″ noted internet pest line at Wiki and eiher post myself or have posted that I was a candidate for President back in 1974….
now the fact that I was around 2 and there wasn’t an election for President in ‘74 won’t stop it from being posted.
sven10077 on September 9, 2009 at 7:47 AM
has become sorry
Nearly Nobody on September 9, 2009 at 7:48 AM
Major Overbite USS Lenin would have tried the same gambit using truckstop walls and his wily charms….
sven10077 on September 9, 2009 at 7:51 AM
Kos is a slimy cretin. Why the media brings him on as some kind of credible source is beyond me.
scharlesc on September 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM
Funny, Kos and HuffPo will hang their own Precedent. So much for Utopia.
elclynn on September 9, 2009 at 8:05 AM
No kidding. So it’s come to this, seriously? I take comfort in seeing the left put such value on this guy, Olberman, Matthews, Van Jones, etc. It tells us who they are.
scalleywag on September 9, 2009 at 8:31 AM
So they allow openly gay men in the military now?
angryed on September 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM
From Wiki:
He moved with his family to El Salvador in 1976, but later returned to the Chicago area in 1980 after his family fled threats placed on their lives by communist insurgents during the Salvadoran Civil War.[2] As an adult, he has recounted his memories of the civil war, including an incident that occurred when he was 8 years old, in which he saw communist guerillas executing students who had been accused of collaborating with the government.[4]
And yet his sole purpose in life is to bring communism to the USA. Anyone here a psychiatrist that can tell me the name of his condition?
angryed on September 9, 2009 at 8:41 AM
ah right. I didn’t think about that.
and the link is by him.
I don’t know what a precinct captain even is, but hey.
EMR on September 9, 2009 at 8:48 AM
Yeah, I wondered about that too.
I know a ton of indian immigrants who are liberal and believe in big government. Even though india’s success came after the state liberalized their economy back in 1991–after suffering through a socialist cesspool for 50 years.
EMR on September 9, 2009 at 8:55 AM
Who are these louches? (not douches- that’s an demeaning term to women)
Seriously dudes, Put down the paper bags and step away from the spray paint cans.
OkieDoc on September 9, 2009 at 9:06 AM
I don’t know what a precinct captain even is, but hey.
EMR on September 9, 2009 at 8:48 AM
He baked the cookies and served milk for the neighbors.
la.rt.wngr on September 9, 2009 at 10:01 AM
I’ll bet this all started when his parents named that funny looking baby “Markos”. He was doomed to be a dweeb at that point.
MikeA on September 9, 2009 at 10:10 AM
If the Obama campaign had defined “Change” as a government run single payor socialist healthcare system as Kos does in this clip methinks Barry would be a footnote in John McCain’s road to the presidency. Funny how those vague, lofty slogans become so distasteful when the rose colored glasses slip and people start to grasp their actual meaning.
miles on September 9, 2009 at 10:14 AM
Some perspective,in re Kos’s beta-ness:
Keep in mind (and tell everybody you know) that Kos lives in his parents’ basement. In Berkeley.
Literally.
warbaby on September 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM
Does Kos pay for health care for all his employees?
Just asking…
Khun Joe on September 9, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Kos and Perez Hilton would make a great couple.
CriticalUpdate on September 9, 2009 at 1:05 PM
I see stupid people and they don’t even know that they’re stupid.
shick on September 9, 2009 at 1:24 PM
I can’t wait to see this guy go apoplectic! Maybe we’ll be lucky and he’ll throw a thrombosis.
kens on September 9, 2009 at 1:35 PM
HA ha ha ha ha! Awesome!
MCGIRV on September 9, 2009 at 2:22 PM
The boy ain’t right.
RobCon on September 9, 2009 at 3:02 PM
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