Video: Afghanistan, up close and personal

posted at 11:53 am on September 7, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

CBS aired a lengthy and intriguing report from the front lines in Afghanistan, the kind of report we don’t usually get unless it comes from our friend Michael Yon. Lara Logan and her crew embedded with an American unit in eastern Afghanistan, deep within the heart of the battle, showing the battle in very personal terms, including a rare close-in firefight. Why are they rare? Because the Taliban and al-Qaeda invariably lose them, so they usually try to keep their distance from American troops. In this case, though, they not only lost, but they gave up valuable intel in the form of a video camera:


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CBS and Logan did a very credible job in presenting the American side sympathetically, especially in their professionalism and our intent to rebuild Afghanistan despite the mostly foreign fighters now pouring across the border. I did find it interesting that CBS chose to show the dead bodies of the enemy, especially after the controversy over the AP and their publication of the picture of a mortally-wounded Marine last week. Also, CBS chose to call the enemy “al-Qaeda” and not “Taliban”, a choice I found very interesting.

Speaking of Michael Yon, he has a new dispatch that meshes well with the CBS report:

The West is losing this war. This has been obvious for more than three years. Less obvious is that in 2009, we are down to the wire. Gen. Stanley McChrystal and others will soon recommend to President Obama the latest treatment for a dying patient.

Meanwhile, allies and Americans are asking themselves why we are here. Some are saying that Al Qaeda is still here or is waiting in the wings to return to its home. Yet Afghanistan was never Al Qaeda’s permanent home to begin with. Al Qaeda was just renting a little space here, just as it was renting space in places like Germany and Florida.

We must face reality: Our reasons for continuing are not the reasons we came for. We are fighting a different war now than the one that began in 2001. Today’s war is about social re-engineering. Given the horrible history of Afghanistan, and the fact that we already are here, the cause is worthy and worthwhile.

The decisions facing us are perilous and immense. On the one hand, we desperately need more troops, while on the other increasing troop levels introduces a host of costs and potential traps.

Yet it seems certain the war will be lost if we do not significantly increase troops. While our enemies grow stronger, years will pass before Afghan forces can replace us. Enemies are gaining ground while we lose the goodwill of the people through disillusionment. In the mostly peaceful Ghor Province, for instance, development is scant and there are no Afghan soldiers.

Be sure to read it all, and also to contribute to Michael’s tip jar, as that is the only support he gets for his independent war correspondence. Michael tells it like it is, and that sometimes gains him nothing but criticism. I’ve learned that Michael is almost always ahead of the curve and has a keen eye for analysis.

If we’re losing now, that doesn’t mean we’ve lost — but it does mean changes have to be made. At least thus far, the Obama administration appears open to trying new strategies, including increasing the footprint of US troops in Afghanistan. We have plenty to criticize in Barack Obama’s administration, but we need to support Obama on this issue as he tangles with the Left over Afghanistan.

It will take decades before we can see the gains from the rebuilding efforts shown in this video, which are absolutely critical to Afghanistan’s emergence from poverty and isolation. Retreat now would leave Afghanistan as a breeding ground for terrorism and radicalism, and would condemn the ordinary people to tyranny. We can fool ourselves into thinking that such a collapse doesn’t involve the US, but we’ve done that before — and this week we’ll commemorate the consequences.

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Yes, I hope we succeed there…and I hope Obama can pull it off. Beyond that, this is one heck of a difficult fight…it’s going to take extraordinary commitment to pull out a victory…and we have Obama…not encouraging.

AUINSC on September 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Anything Lara Logan is involved in does not help our country.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM

As I’ve said before, when we allowed Sharia law in the founding documents of the new Government, we lost.

We allowed them to enshrine a 7th century Legal and Political philosophy wrapped in religious trappings into their founding docs…

In Germany, and Japan, at the end of WWII we FORCED their Constitutions to meet American ideals of Freedom and Seperation of Church and State… we outlawed both the Psuedo Religions the Nazis created, and Shintoism…

We did not do so in eiher Iraq, or Afganistan. We can build all the Infrastructure in the world, but WE cannot change how they think…

Its interesting to not that the Soviets, in Afganistan, built Factories, Roads, and infrastructure… most of which the Afgans, like petulant children, then destroyed.

Now our plan is to do the same?

Romeo13 on September 7, 2009 at 12:03 PM

Yes, I hope we succeed there…and I hope Obama can pull it off. Beyond that, this is one heck of a difficult fight…it’s going to take extraordinary commitment to pull out a victory…and we have Obama…not encouraging.

AUINSC on September 7, 2009 at 11:57 AM

More importantly we don’t have the Assets to continue due to the Broken economy. This War is literaly going on our childrens Credit Card.

Romeo13 on September 7, 2009 at 12:05 PM

I am completely confident that Obama has no desire to see America victorious in Afghanistan. Recent actions appear to be maximizing American casualties while getting very poor results.

jay12 on September 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM

Where are they (Taliban/AQ) getting these weapons from?

Pakistani military? Iran? Black market?

All of the above?

SteveMG on September 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM

If we’re losing now, that doesn’t mean we’ve lost — but it does mean changes have to be made. At least thus far, the Obama administration appears open to trying new strategies, including increasing the footprint of US troops in Afghanistan. We have plenty to criticize in Barack Obama’s administration, but we need to support Obama on this issue as he tangles with the Left over Afghanistan.

I wonder about Obama’s political calculations right now… he’s losing on domestic issues and, as a consequence, is at risk of completely losing his base. Does he have the wherewithal to do what is right in Afghanistan, a move that can only serve to alienate further his political base? Alas, I’d like to believe that he does. But I’ve seen nothing from the man so far to give me confidence that what is right is ever a part of political calculations.

ProfessorMiao on September 7, 2009 at 12:19 PM

Remember Michael’s tip jar. He’s our eyes and ears over there.His reports are pics are cool. Skip the large pizza this week and help him out.

Hummer53 on September 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Now that it’s Obama’s war, CBS is changing its tune on how it reports.

This is good for our troops.

But they are still a disgusting bunch of partisan pigs.

katy on September 7, 2009 at 12:22 PM

Anything Lara Logan is involved in does not help our country.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM

What do you mean by that? I don’t know anything about Lara Logan but just at face value, I was really impressed that she and her crew had the courage to go into that territory.

CarolynM on September 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Who is that ridiculous woman on 60 Minutes doing the lead-in? That accent, yuk! Americans usually reserve the sophisticated British accent for selling squeegee mops and chamois.

AcronisF on September 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Where are they (Taliban/AQ) getting these weapons from?

SteveMG on September 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Many of them are made in local machine shops. The small arms manufacturing/trade business there has a long, prolific history.

Fletch54 on September 7, 2009 at 12:24 PM

“Today’s war is about social re-engineering. Given the horrible history of Afghanistan, and the fact that we already are here, the cause is worthy and worthwhile.”

I love Yon and he is right about the first part of that statement. The fact we are there does not make social re-engineering either worthwhile, possible or even necessary. There are many hellholes around the world that need social re-engineering, but that cannot be the mission of the US military.

It is too enormous a problem and the chances of success are nil as these backward people will fight us all the way. We cannot bring a country that is in the stone age up to modern standards in any reasonable length of time or at a cost in treasure and lives the American people are willing to support. We don’t have the funds to do it and our guys have been slogging for years already, they deserve better. Time to change the mission. We don’t have more troops to send in the practical sense, at least not on a permanent basis.

echosyst on September 7, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Life Magazine online archive Operation Overlord.

And the picture that is burned into my memory….

Life Magazine (search)Vietnam

http://www.pulitzer.org (for photography)

Skandia Recluse on September 7, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Michael Yon states:

Enemies are gaining ground while we lose the goodwill of the people through disillusionment.

What he doesn’t understand is that we will NEVER have the goodwill of Muslims. We weren’t supposed to be there to win over them.

Debbie Schlussel last week wrote a terrific article about why we should just go ahead and pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq. We went over there to “win hearts and minds” of Muslim barbarians and then gave them democracy to choose to elect leaders that will be our enemies in the future. We lost sight of our original goal: to kill the enemies of America.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/8233/about-that-hearts-minds-crap-the-story-of-daoud-sediqi/

She states that George Will was right, and he is. If we don’t want to fight a real war, then why are we there?

Gabe on September 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Romeo13: “As I’ve said before, when we allowed Sharia law in the founding documents of the new Government, we lost.”

We haven’t lost. We just won’t everything we’d expected in a perfect world.

And that didn’t by any means begin with their Afghanistan and Iraq’s constitution. Philosophically, we pulled ourselves apart decades ago, and are left without the moral unity to design and enforce Jeffersonian democracy on such foreign societies.

We had just enough consensus to do exactly what we’ve done – change the regime, initiate rebuilding, insert democratic concepts into their constitutions and nurse them along for a little while. They have a fair chance of long term success. They couldn’t have asked for more.

elfman on September 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Anything Lara Logan is involved in does not help our country.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM

What do you mean by that? I don’t know anything about Lara Logan but just at face value, I was really impressed that she and her crew had the courage to go into that territory.

CarolynM on September 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM

One of many examples:

Lara Logan and her terrorist footage

In addition to using video that also showed up in an Al Qaeda video, Logan failed to acknowledge that Al Qaeda is claiming responsibility for the violence on Haifa Street, and she includes a soundbite from a masked man she identified as a local resident. Pace Andrew Sullivan, he may be a “resident” but the way he wears his headdress suggests that he’s really one of the insurgents/Al Qaeda fighters himself. So it’s no surprise that he took the opportunity to bash the US instead of the militias and insurgents who are trying to tear Iraq apart.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM

katy on September 7, 2009 at 12:22 PM

That’s exactly what I was going to say. It’s funny how, once the White House switches from R to D, suddenly the troops are no longer hapless victims, trapped into a neo-Imperialist war by poverty and ignorance, but are now dedicated, principled, intelligent, patriotic men and women, which is certainly a change for the better, but still….

notropis on September 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Weren’t we supposed to be getting a guy named Bin something or other in this operation?

Bin LadleBin Ladder… something like that?

Where did Install and Defend Sharia Law come from?

profitsbeard on September 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM

As long as Pokistan gives them sanctuary the situation won’t change. It isn’t the war in Afghanistan that is causing folks to question the mission, it is the non-war in Pakistan.

Limerick on September 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM

notropis on September 7, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Exactly.

katy on September 7, 2009 at 12:57 PM

This is depressing. If it is true — and evidently it is — that we fighting for Afghanis in a long term nation building experiment with little to NO chance of success, that is just wrong. Absolutely wrong to sacrifice our troops and our treasure for, frankly, the last people on earth who deserve it, appreciate it, or will do anything with it.

I’m all for using our force to confront our enemies — but that is for OUR national security — not social engineering for a society living in the 7th century and no chance of getting out of it any time soon.

That said, Iraq is different than Afghanistan. Our national security is definitely at stake, and it’s all but won. Anyone have recent news on the situation there? Fairly stable, yes?

jjraines on September 7, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Obama school speech

It’s all about ME!

Says “I” or “me” 55 times. The word “country” 4 times.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 1:01 PM

elfman on September 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Longterm, Sharia law and Democracy cannot co exist. Look at Turkey. It only exists as a Democracy because of a Secular Military, which has to step in periodicly to ensure Freedom.

Once you put an authoritarian religion into the founding documents… and allow religious leaders to dictate choices of candidates…

Once you outlaw Freedom of Thought, and Speech, and Expression, and RELIGION… Democracy becomes a Facade (as is shown by Iran). Why? Because the very Basis of Sharia law, is that the Government MUST bow to whatever the Mullahs decide is the will of Allah…

We now spend Blood, and Treasure, to support a Regime which goes against all the major ideals of Western philosophy.

Can we win Militarily? Yes… we’ll win militarily just like we did in Viet Nam… but as soon as we leave, no matter how great our military victory there, in a few years it will backslide, because we did NOT make the fundamental change that was needed… ie… divocing the Government from Sharia law.

Romeo13 on September 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM

The American people want to leave and we don’t have the cash. Time to hit the road.

The Calibur on September 7, 2009 at 1:06 PM

One of the reasons the Communists did so well, so fast, is they got over the idea that anybody born in the 20th century was “trapped” in the 7th. Most Afghanis are under 50 years old. They are not doomed to warlord politics any more than we are doomed to disco fashion.

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Obama school speech

It’s all about ME!

Says “I” or “me” 55 times. The word “country” 4 times.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Exactly why I have no confidence that Obama will make decisions about Afghanistan that put the national interest first.

ProfessorMiao on September 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Shoot straight, fellas…shoot straight.

Wyznowski on September 7, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Anything Lara Logan is involved in does not help our country.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM

Yeah, I wonder who’s she screwing now…..

BigWyo on September 7, 2009 at 1:22 PM

One of the reasons the Communists did so well, so fast, is they got over the idea that anybody born in the 20th century was “trapped” in the 7th. Most Afghanis are under 50 years old. They are not doomed to warlord politics any more than we are doomed to disco fashion.

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 1:08 PM

Hmmm… they also destroyed Religion… not to mention killing a few million of their own Peasents… and the ruling part of the Country had been Westernized for Generations…

Way different situation.

Romeo13 on September 7, 2009 at 1:22 PM

I’m referring to their global success, especially in the Third World. China, for instance, was considered a failed nation-state in the 1920s. And part of that global success was a firm commitment that they could succeed, anywhere, in reaching the present generation. If a crappy product sells so well, look to the salesmanship to know how to sell our own brand.

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Who is that ridiculous woman on 60 Minutes doing the lead-in? That accent, yuk! Americans usually reserve the sophisticated British accent for selling squeegee mops and chamois.

AcronisF on September 7, 2009 at 12:23 PM

Ummmm…Lara Logan????

BigWyo on September 7, 2009 at 1:27 PM

I’m referring to their global success, especially in the Third World. China, for instance, was considered a failed nation-state in the 1920s. And part of that global success was a firm commitment that they could succeed, anywhere, in reaching the present generation. If a crappy product sells so well, look to the salesmanship to know how to sell our own brand.

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM

I see what you are saying… but one of the things they did was remkae their society from the ground up.

We’re not doing that in Afganistan or Iraq. Our enemies use the Tenents of Islam as their reason to War on us… so we leave those same Tenents in place?

Romeo13 on September 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM

Romeo13: “Longterm, Sharia law and Democracy cannot co exist. Look at Turkey. It only exists as a Democracy because of a Secular Military, which has to step in periodicly to ensure Freedom.”

Contradictions exist in every society and arguably in every ideology. If we can’t guarantee liberty here, how do we agree on what it should look like and how to enforce it there?

The first article of the Iraqi Constitution demands that law not conflict with Islam. The Second guarantees a long list of human rights. Conflict? Sure, probably. That’s now for them to argue and perhaps fight over.

I don’t know much about the Afghanistan Constitution, but I presume we needed Europe’s support there while in Iraq, and their design of it was the price we probably had to pay. Considering our divisions, this was probably the best we could do.

I don’t believe that anything more was realistic, at least not without a more articulate and persuasive administration. “You go to war with the army you have” -DR

I can’t prove that liberty is good, but evidence seems to support it. I can’t prove that good prevails, but if it doesn’t, why get up in the morning? The best we can do is have faith in both, and do our best to promote them.

elfman on September 7, 2009 at 1:37 PM

We’re not doing that in Afganistan or Iraq. Our enemies use the Tenents of Islam as their reason to War on us… so we leave those same Tenents in place?

Romeo13 on September 7, 2009 at 1:31 PM

I agree with you that our top guys are not thinking about real reform; my main peeve is Americans sulking because “we can’t bring them out of the middle ages”. We could, but are not at present shoving very hard.

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Anything Lara Logan is involved in does not help our country.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 12:00 PM

I’m not a big fan of Lara Logan either. But credit should be given where it is due and this is a good piece. Although, it seems like she was trying to hide her accent and it just made things worst.

terryannonline on September 7, 2009 at 1:56 PM

It will take decades before we can see the gains from the rebuilding efforts shown in this video, which are absolutely critical to Afghanistan’s emergence from poverty and isolation. Retreat now would leave Afghanistan as a breeding ground for terrorism and radicalism, and would condemn the ordinary people to tyranny. We can fool ourselves into thinking that such a collapse doesn’t involve the US, but we’ve done that before — and this week we’ll commemorate the consequences.

Not a mention of the word Islam. Now that is showing the proper respect Muslims demand for their ideology. It would be upsetting if you were to say that the Afghans are the way they are precisely because Islam has rendered them ignorant, cruel and penniless now wouldn’t it? And the medicine is to babysit them into infrastructurehood for the next century but leave them with the poison that makes them dangerous to themselves and us? Now that is planning from willful ignorance. No thanks.

BL@KBIRD on September 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM

It has been some time since I have seen as pronounced a case of cognitive dissonance as that which Michael Yon has. Reading his excepted comments was like phasing in and out of alternate dimensions. I almost got whiplash.

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM

“Karzai says United States wants to manipulate him”

This jackrag needs to go.

BallisticBob on September 7, 2009 at 2:22 PM

It has been some time since I have seen as pronounced a case of cognitive dissonance as that which Michael Yon has. Reading his excepted comments was like phasing in and out of alternate dimensions. I almost got whiplash.

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM

Yon is watching this from the front line… and thats a horrible place to make judgements about the politics of a situation. Issues become personal, and immediate, but you only see the picture from there.

Been there… done that… you shoulda heard me Cussing Reagan out when I heard our relief in Beruit was going to be late because the had used them to invade Grenada…

Heck… my first thought then was “Grenada? Isn’t that in Spain? Why are we invading SPAIN?”

Romeo13 on September 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM

We must face reality: Our reasons for continuing are not the reasons we came for. We are fighting a different war now than the one that began in 2001.

Many of us have “faced” that reality starting about 7 years ago.

Today’s war is about social re-engineering.

There is nothing more dangerous than a philosopher who wants to change the world. – Piero Scaruffi

Given the horrible history of Afghanistan, and the fact that we already are here, the cause is worthy and worthwhile.

That makes about as much sense as 1 + 1 = 25.

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Ballistic Bob

Karzai said that if his re-election was confirmed, he would seek national reconciliation talks with the Taliban within the first 100 days of his new administration.

He said the Taliban would first have to renounce any ties with al Qaeda and recognize the Afghan constitution.

Karzai told le Figaro that he welcomed a recent review of military strategy in Afghanistan, undertaken by U.S. Army General Stanley McChrystal, which has yet to be made public.

The Afghan president said McChrystal had showed him the proposals which emphasized protecting the Afghan population rather than killing Taliban.

“I approve of this 100 percent,” he said, adding, however, that the general was wrong to confuse the Afghan insurrection with terrorism. “The insurrection is something that is totally different from terrorism. It’s an internal Afghan affair.”

Karzai also said that McChrystal had assured him that he had not personally ordered an airstrike last Friday on hijacked fuel tankers. Afghan officials said the attack killed many civilians.

“What an error of judgment! More than 90 dead all because of a simple lorry that was, moreover, immobilized in a river bed. Why didn’t they send in ground troops to recover the fuel tank? By the by, General McChrystal telephoned me to apologize and to say that he himself hadn’t given the order to attack.”

Thanks for the link. This is how to lose a war: turn authority over to a guy whose priority is a cease-fire.

Killing people for trading with the enemy is an effective method of ending trading with the enemy.

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Why should Islamism matter to us? Because, besides being the ideology that catalyzes jihadist terrorism and threatens our freedoms in sundry other ways, Islamism rejects the premises of Western democracy. Islamists believe that sharia is the perfect, non-negotiable blueprint for law and life, prescribed by Allah Himself. Therefore, Islamists reject the notion of free people at liberty to govern themselves, to legislate in contradiction to God’s law. They reject freedom of conscience: Islam must be the state religion, and apostasy from Islam is a capital crime. They deny the principle of equality under the law between men and women, and between Muslims and non-Muslims. They abjure any semblance of Western sexual liberty: gay sex, adultery, and fornication are brutally punished. They countenance slavery. They encourage polygamy.

The State Department’s new “democratic” constitutions for Afghanistan and Iraq are a disgrace: establishing Islam as the state religion and elevating sharia as fundamental law. That is not exporting our values; it is appeasing Islamism. It is putting on display our lack of will to fight for our principles, which only emboldens our enemies. Recall, for example, the spectacle of the Christian prosecuted for apostasy a couple of years back by the post-Taliban, U.S.-backed Afghan government. He had to be whisked out of the country because it’s not safe for an ex-Muslim religious convert in the new Afghanistan. It’s not safe for non-Muslims, period. We’re not building a democratic culture.

We can’t stop Muslim countries from being Islamist. That is their choice. It should be no concern of ours who rules them as long as they do not threaten American interests. When they inevitably do threaten us, or allow their territories to be launch pads for terrorists, we should smash them. But the price of defending our nation cannot be spending years — at a cost of precious lives and hundreds of billions of dollars — in a vain attempt to give people who despise us a way of life they don’t want.

Meanwhile, we must accept that Islamism is our enemy and has targeted our constitutional system for destruction by slow strangulation via sharia. Instead of worrying about democracy in Afghanistan, we need to worry about democracy in America. The surge we need is at home: to roll back Islamism’s infiltration of our schools, our financial system, our law, and our government. In addition to not being universal, the “values of the human spirit” are not immortal. If we don’t defend them in the West, they will die.
- Andrew McCarthy

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Weren’t we supposed to be getting a guy named Bin something or other in this operation?

Bin Ladle… Bin Ladder… something like that?

profitsbeard on September 7, 2009 at 12:46 PM

They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
If you should see him, please do give a yell!
That demmed elusive OBL
They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere
Oh, Binny, how the Special Ops do implore you
Simply to come out from your taxi or from under your bed
With all your hiding
It’s a chore to smash your head!
They seek him here, they seek him there
The Special Ops seek him everywhere!
He gives the Special Ops nothing but frustration
Sink me! He’s a spoilsport
Each and every demmed capture
He cuts short
They seek him here, they seek him there
Those Special Ops seek him everywhere
Is he in Pakistani
Or even in Dearbornstani?
One thing should no longer sell
As hes not likely in Afghanistani, near as we can tell!

PercyB on September 7, 2009 at 2:42 PM

If you keep your eye on Bin Laden you don’t have to look at Islam.

BL@KBIRD on September 7, 2009 at 2:44 PM

This is depressing. If it is true — and evidently it is — that we fighting for Afghanis in a long term nation building experiment with little to NO chance of success, that is just wrong. Absolutely wrong to sacrifice our troops and our treasure for, frankly, the last people on earth who deserve it, appreciate it, or will do anything with it.

jjraines on September 7, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Maybe I’m missing something here. I mean, we’re going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America? Absolutely not. Our military’s meant to fight and win war. That’s what it’s meant to do. And when it gets overextended, morale drops. But I’m going to be judicious as to how to use the military. It needs to be in our vital interest, the mission needs to be clear, and the exit strategy obvious.
- George W. Bush (October 11 2000, debating Al Gore)

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 2:46 PM

I was fed up, and bogged down. Of course you say other people are too, and they keep going on. But if your job is to write about the war, you’re very apt to begin writing unconscious distortions and unwarranted pessimisms when you get too tired. – Ernie Pyle (Fed Up and Bogged Down-1943)

Limerick on September 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Apparently Mr. McCarthy is too well educated to know there is no such thing as an Islamist state that does not threaten American interests, and has forgotten we spent 50 years fighting an ideological threat. We can’t do that anymore. We just can’t–so everbody is absolved from doing anything about it.

Instead, let’s have another damnfool legislative program in our own borders and call that a “War on “.

All together now:

I can no longer sit back and allow Islamist infiltration, Islamist indoctrination, Islamist subversion, and the international Islamist conspiracy to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids.

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Yon is watching this from the front line… and thats a horrible place to make judgements about the politics of a situation. Issues become personal, and immediate, but you only see the picture from there.

Been there… done that…

Romeo13 on September 7, 2009 at 2:25 PM

I know what you mean. When I was in RVN I had little idea about all the lies LBJ and McNamara had told. They main thing I knew was that morale stunk and more and more troops were starting to hate on the Vietnamese.

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 2:53 PM

Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong

Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.

Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your ass up to the sky
Say the salat, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.

Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!

The Koran tells me so.

Aleph on September 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM

and the international Islamist conspiracy

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM

See the Koran.

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 3:18 PM

I read powerlineblog.com, I know there’s a maddrassa in Minneapolis. Where else is Islamism in our schools? Where is it in our law? Where is it in our financial system? Where is it in our government?

How is any of that a substitute for killing the armed cadres of Islamism overseas?

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM

ed. “How is focusing on any of that a substitute for killing the armed cadres of Islamism overseas?”

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 3:23 PM

And year after year after stinking year, we tip-toe around Pockeeston while we lose more and more troops. Why?

oakpack on September 7, 2009 at 3:37 PM

Lara Logan and her crew embedded with an American unit

The American military allows pregnant women reporters to embed with combat troops on the front lines?

peacenprosperity on September 7, 2009 at 4:06 PM

A good metric for gauging the progress of this phase in Afghanistan is monthly cement production. If cement production is consistently rising, then there is a good chance we are winning. If cement production is falling, we are wasting our time.

crosspatch on September 7, 2009 at 4:28 PM

Give our troops what they need and smash the bastards in Pakistan where they live! I feel sorry for these brave soldiers who must serve under such a huge fail of a Commander in Chief. If Iran is supplying arms to the enemy we should make it VERY painful for them to continue doing so.

ronsfi on September 7, 2009 at 4:28 PM

I emailed my thoughts on this to Ed last night when I saw the 60 Minutes episode and read about the AP photo.

Are we seeing a Walter Cronkite moment here? Obama wants to pull out but does not want to take the blame – so his water-carriers start to slip in pictures of the casualties to undermine the will of the people for continuing this war. I believe that the rhetoric about the Afghans not stepping up has already started. In six months or so, he can safely say that he is just doing what the people want.

Mr_Magoo on September 7, 2009 at 4:31 PM

Once we start hitting the drug production and distribution infrastructure with any effectiveness, there will be a hue and cry from politicians across the world to pull our troops out. Afghanistan plays a major role in the global heroin supply. The mob plays a major role in the final distribution of that heroin. They have a lot of money and they can influence a lot of politicians.

crosspatch on September 7, 2009 at 4:35 PM

The US can not afford to lose wars. I think some people have somehow managed to ignore that reality.

Terrye on September 7, 2009 at 4:58 PM

crosspatch:

It is not just the mob, heroin is not illegal in a lot of the world.

The Brits do not want us to just destroy the fields for fear we will alienate the people who have so few alternatives for making a living..but something has to be done. This can not go on.

Terrye on September 7, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Terrye,

We don’t have to destroy the fields. Here is the basic problem: you can harvest your opium by hand and send it to “market” on the back of a couple of donkeys and make enough money to last through the winter and buy a seed crop for the next season. Now imagine a farmer growing wheat on that land. How long does it take to harvest that wheat by hand to make the same amount of money? There are no farm tractors or combines or mechanical thrashers. Now once you have harvested it, what do you do with it? How many donkeys will it take to get a crop to market to make enough money to get through the winter and buy a seed crop? There are no farm trucks nor the roads and bridges required for them to get to market. But lets say there was. When the gain is delivered, where is it stored? There are no grain elevators. And if there was, there are is no railroad infrastructure to ship it anywhere. Again you need trucks and roads and bridges … stuff they don’t have.

Forcing them to grow wheat forces them into bankruptcy. They can’t get enough for their crop to pay for next year’s seed so they go into debt which is a big deal to them culturally. Add to that the fact that there isn’t adequate storage and the population of mice, rats, and other vermin explodes.

We keep trying to fit their situation into our concept of “normalcy” and that doesn’t work. What Afghanistan might be better suited for is mining and refining of metals and other raw materials than agriculture.

You can’t ask a subsistence farmer to compete with industrial scale farmers in a global grain market. Until they get combines and tractors and trucks and roads and bridges and storage facilities and all the other infrastructure required to build and maintain those things, we are better off thinking outside the box and maybe buying the opium from them or something.

crosspatch on September 7, 2009 at 5:41 PM

Maybe they find the IED if they aren’t entertaining the comely blonde on the previous day’s recon. Classic Vietnam fubar in Vietnam part 2 fubar theater. They are being videorecording while loitering during another recon. Fabulous.

pc on September 7, 2009 at 5:46 PM

In this case, though, they not only lost, but they gave up valuable intel in the form of a video camera:

I watched the report up until they showed the video camera footage, at which point I recognized it was a replay of a report from last year.

agmartin on September 7, 2009 at 7:57 PM

Farmers don’t sell out to buy seed, they just withhold a portion of the harvest.

I doubt the weight of return on unrendered poppy is quite that high.

You don’t ship wheat. You ship flour. In greased sacks it keeps for months. If they have donkeys they can build a gristmill 1/3 as efficient as a waterwheel. 12 donkeys can carry a ton of flour.

The American wheat farmer was globally admired for decades before using a mechanical reaper, and engine-powered harvesters weren’t universal until after WW2.

Chris_Balsz on September 7, 2009 at 8:33 PM

If we’re losing now, that doesn’t mean we’ve lost — but it does mean changes have to be made. At least thus far, the Obama administration appears open to trying new strategies, including increasing the footprint of US troops in Afghanistan. We have plenty to criticize in Barack Obama’s administration, but we need to support Obama on this issue as he tangles with the Left over Afghanistan.

You can have all the troops that you want – but as long as there are safe havens for Haqqani/Al-Qaeda/Taliban in Pakistan, the US is going to progress in this war at the SAME PACE as it has in the last 7 years – which has essentially been meaningless.

I respect Michael Yon but does he even know what is happening in Afghanistan today ? Karzai recently allowed a law to pass which basically gives a husband to rape his own wife… thats right, he has a “right to sex once every four nights”..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/17/AR2009081702364.html

Social Re-engineering ? Let these barbarians first learn to treat their women with respect and not as mere cattle.

For those who may know a little Pakthun history, please re-call what has happened to the memory of Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan – he was from the NWFP and fought alongside Gandhi in the Indian Freedom movement – he was a pacifist to the core and tried to instill a sense of humanity to the Pashtuns who are a warrior tribe. After India’s partition in 1947, the tireless work of Gaffar Khan to improve Pashtun society literally went to waste in a mere two decades.

And he was ONE of THEM… And this was BEFORE Afghanistan became the center of US-Soviet geo political proxy wars !

If any conservative who thinks that the US Federal Govt doing social re-engineering within its own shores is a fool’s errand, what makes you think it will be particularly successful in the Stone Age Country AKA Afghan/Pakistan ?

This is going to come to a terrible end. But hey, when you are fooling yourself that you can win this war without going into Pakistan, what can you do ?

But then again, when your supply lines run through Pakistan, you have NO CHOICE but to fight with one hand tied to your back.

America needs a Hail Mary to win the AfPak war theater.

nagee76 on September 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Here is my issue with Afghanistan …

What makes our situation different from the Russians? Let’s take the partisan bickery out of this debate for a minute and focus on the actual situation.

We have been fighting there for about eight years now. Why are we not winning?

Is truely just increasing troop levels going to do the trick?

How do we avoid a repeat of Russia’s fate in that region?

In Iraq, at least they weren’t in tribal rule. Saddam was brutal but there was a State. In Afghanistan there is little more than loose tribes that are connected more by basic needs than a cohesive government.

I just don’t see how simply boosting resources and manpower is going to do the trick. This shit seems like it will take decades.

And with that, I don’t see how anyone (democrates, republicans, etc.) can stomach a never-ending conflict.

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 9:45 PM

1. Weapons aren’t being made in local machine shops. There is no need. The weapons are brought in from various arms merchants through a rather pourous border. The other source is from in country where thousands upon thousands of weapons still remain from 30+ years of fighting. (On my last deployment and additional duty was to recover “foriegn” weapons. We brought in AK’s, etc. from numerous countries of manufacture.)

2. For the first level farmer, wheat pays far more than poppy. The don’t get crap from a crop of poppy.

3. If the international press would actually report on the actions of the enemy, the pressure from the world would be a great factor for change. The number one thing the country needs is roads. This is what the people constantly ask for. Roads allows them to get products to market and to recieve goods in return. Civilian construction companies from India, China and Pakistan have attempted to build numerous roads across the country but their workers both foriegn nationals and local Afghans have been killed in droves by the Taliban. Again, if this was reported, the Taliban would be viewed as the low life scum they are instead of misunderstood “freedom fighters”.

keyboarddude on September 7, 2009 at 9:53 PM

I listened to her for about 10 seconds before her voice made me want to slap her. What a contrived, silly person.

Jaibones on September 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM

“. For the first level farmer, wheat pays far more than poppy.”

Yeah? Even after the cost of fertilizer and seed? Those are more expensive than for poppy. Also, wheat needs more water.

Noting that opium traffickers often loan farmers the money to plant and fertilize the opium harvest for the coming year, I asked the ambassador what programs are in place to provide loan support for farmers who want to grow alternative crops. According to him, there are essentially none. So if you’re an Afghan farmer who wants to grow wheat or strawberries instead of opium poppies, you’re largely on your own. (from http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2008/03/11/afghanistans_wheat_problem )

There is also the problem in international aid flooding the markets and depressing the price of wheat in the market places. Afghanistan has been suffering drought and wheat is less drought tolerant than poppies. And again we have the problem of transportation and storage.

crosspatch on September 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM

More drought problems:

Well-below normal rainfall and winter snowfall across the majority of Afghanistan during late 2007 and early 2008 have led to the worst drought conditions in the past 10 years. Widespread losses of rainfed wheat crops have been observed by international non-governmental organization (NGO) officials across the country’s important northern and western growing regions, while the government of Afghanistan has also reported that irrigated crop yields have fallen significantly this year. Owing to the severity of current conditions and the breadth of areas impacted, wheat production in 2008/09 is forecast by USDA at 1.5 million tons, down 2.3 million or 60 percent from last year.

From: http://www.pecad.fas.usda.gov/highlights/2008/08/Afghanistan%20Drought/

So you have drought, lack of support farmers, international aid depressing local prices, and losses due to inadequate storage.

Looks like we might be “helping” them to death.

crosspatch on September 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM

If any conservative who thinks that the US Federal Govt doing social re-engineering within its own shores is a fool’s errand, what makes you think it will be particularly successful in the Stone Age Country AKA Afghan/Pakistan ?

nagee76 on September 7, 2009 at 9:39 PM

Touche.

MB4 on September 8, 2009 at 1:01 AM

The Afghan situation is a multiplicity of issues, none are insurmountable.

Allies, allies, allies, the Afghan’s want something quite different from the foreign fighters that invade to perform a number of bad acts, that’s not rocket science, if the President recognizes the need of more boots on the ground to keep the peace and promote the national progress, well, credit where credit is due.

An Asian nation that appreciates us and wants for the first time to be an autonomous nation state allied with the US should be a most precious commodity.

I say if we play bull O the woods there, we’ll be toast, but I also think that a good finesse player can reap big dividends too.

Speakup on September 8, 2009 at 2:11 AM

The Afghan situation is a multiplicity of issues, none are insurmountable.

True. But none of them will be solved in the period of a single US administration. It will take several administrations to solve them.

We need a consistent policy that transcends any single President.

crosspatch on September 8, 2009 at 4:04 AM

Afghanistan is a unique place in which the only way to ever win a war is to redefine what winning means. The Afghan people are still about 40 generations away from being ready to live in anything like what we think of as a modern society. If we somehow could kill 100% of the Taliban, and all of Al Queda, it would not take 30 days for Afghanistan to produce it’s next form of gangsters that would present the same problem. And that is because the people themselves are steeped in thousands of years of hate and ignorance that today is sharply focused by Islam into a pinpoint of insanity that prohibits them for seeing any other way of life.

The best the world, or the USA, can hope for in that setting is to find ways to prevent the spread of the disease and hope it dies out someday.

MikeA on September 8, 2009 at 7:47 AM

1. Weapons aren’t being made in local machine shops.


Pakistan’s illicit arms trade thrives

Wrong. It’s a thriving industry and has been for a long time. There are other sources of small arms entering into the region, to be sure, but to say that the local tribes of Pakistan and Afghanistan aren’t producing their own is not correct.

Fletch54 on September 8, 2009 at 8:08 AM

The United States conceded the war on terror to al Qaeda when it elected Obama – the idiot who wanted to concede Iraq to al Qaeda.

I’m surprised that CBS would let it slip that the fighters flowing into Afghanistan are members of al Qaeda. What they won’t tell you is that al Qaeda is now returning to Afghanistan after suffering a humiliating defeat in Iraq.

Iraq was a distraction alright – for al Qaeda.

Obama will allow the situation in Afghanistan to deteriorate until the pressure to leave becomes operative. The Democrats will then lose another war.

Basilsbest on September 8, 2009 at 8:26 AM

We should have imposed the constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan on those countries.

I agree with those who say we’ve already lost when we let the Iraqis and Afghanis write their constitutions basing the law of the land on Islam …

E.g. from the Iraqi constitution:

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.

C. No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms stipulated in this constitution may be established.

Second: This Constitution guarantees the Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and guarantees the full religious rights of all individuals to freedom of religious belief and practice such as Christians, Yazedis, and Mandi Sabeans.

Article 3:

(Iraq is a country of many nationalities, religions and sects and is a founding and active member of the Arab League and is committed to its covenant. Iraq is a part of the Islamic world.)

BowHuntingTexas on September 8, 2009 at 4:35 PM

Can you imagine if someone here in the US proposed rewriting our constitution similar to the Iraqi constitution and instead of Islam they replaced it with Christian?

BowHuntingTexas on September 8, 2009 at 4:37 PM

Yon says:

Today’s war is about social re-engineering.

And this is a cause that conservatives support? I thought that conservatives opposed such things.

orange on September 8, 2009 at 4:42 PM

Sigh. Victory videos are so sweet. And yet…

We don’t have the money. We aren’t accomplishing anything more than the Soviets did. We’re being bled to death by a thousand cowardly cuts.

Either we find it within ourself to turn the place into a moonscape and utter destroy the will and ability of the Afghan fighters to resist…or we should just cut our losses already. Trying to fight a war with the towelheads in a half-@$$ed manner will only cost us men and money that we can’t afford to lose, and you can bet your boots the Taliban knows that!

Dark-Star on September 8, 2009 at 5:17 PM