Quotes of the day

posted at 10:05 pm on September 7, 2009 by Allahpundit

“The obvious rejoinder to these points is that Jones supposedly brought this on himself by long ago making a mistake and signing a misguided petition about 9/11. Obviously, he made a mistake – and he admitted that. But even if you don’t accept that apology or admission of fault, the idea that him signing that petition means he’s worthy of removal is just a pathetic argument that highlights the most damning hypocrisies of all. For instance, are we really expected to believe that Jones signing one random petition is a bigger problem than, say, Geithner accepting free room and board for the industry he is supposed to be regulating?…

Hence, we can be assured the original targeting of Jones was a calculated move with race in mind – a move designed to fit the criticism into a larger racial backlash framework first perfected in the 1980s. That framework has created a simple reality: In America, governmental advancement is wide open for right-wing movement players, and you can even vaguely hope for a seat at the political table if you are a white progressive former hippe-turned-yuppie liberal. But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power, because you will be billed as some nefarious combination of Al Sharpton, Huey Newton, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael and Willie Horton.”

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“Now, thanks to Glenn Beck, we’ve got that voice back. No longer tied to his desk with a sock in his mouth, Van is now freed to do what he does best: inspire and energize groups around the country…

I despise 9/11 ‘truther’ conspiracies. Indeed, one of the guidelines for bloggers on HuffPost is a ban on posts putting forth those kinds of theories. And it was stupid of Van to put his name on a very stupid ’9/11 Truth Statement.’ I’ve spoken to Van. He doesn’t believe that the Bush administration orchestrated the 9/11 attacks or allowed the attacks to happen in a cold-hearted attempt to gin up support. The 9/11 ‘Truthers’ are fringe-dwellers and Van was completely wrong to allow himself to be associated with them…

Isn’t it time we acknowledge that no human being with any passion and deeply held beliefs ever emerged flawless into the world? And that if every mistake, misstep, boneheaded decision, or error in judgment becomes an automatic disqualifier for public service, then we’re going to be left with a political landscape filled with nothing but wrinkle-free, foible-free, passionless automatons who have never made a mistake because they never took the risk of having an original thought.”


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Daggett on September 7, 2009 at 10:25 PM

Thank you.

Christian Conservative on September 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Yep. I need to move out. Got no choice though. Finished school in mid crap economy. Bleh.

Darth Executor on September 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM

What exactly are your parents views on 9/11? It should be easy enough to present them with facts.

ThePrez on September 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM

Yep. I need to move out. Got no choice though. Finished school in mid crap economy. Bleh.

Darth Executor on September 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM

you, meet same boat!

blatantblue on September 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM

To me, it was his racist Columbine comments that were most disturbing.

So, yeah, for me targeting Jones definitely would have been “a calculated move with race in mind” – if I was the calculating type.

misslizzi on September 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM

See high res affidavit and birth certificate here.

It is a certified Birth Certificate accepted by California’s 9th Circuit Court as a genuine certified copy.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Ultra super-duper authentic. Just like the last set.

Not like he can’t doctor up anything or be paid off for passing this in as evidence.

Don’t you realize that it would be far better to just debate Obama on policy than this nonsense?

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Obviously, he made a mistake – and he admitted that. But even if you don’t accept that apology or admission of fault,the idea that him signing that petition means he’s worthy of removal is just a pathetic argument that highlights the most damning hypocrisies of all.

Take it up with Jones – He quit.

pearson on September 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM

…The 9-11 “troofer” portion of Jones’ history is but a minor portion of the overall person of Van Jones…

…He did not just stumble into his former position as Green Jobs Czar, he was welcomed in to that position, a fellow traveler with the same sort of vision as his employer, the president.

That in itself is enough to make any thinking American stop and take notice as to what direction this Administration wishes to lead this nation.

coldwarrior on September 7, 2009 at 10:22 PM

A big, loud, heartfelt “Damn right!” is in order.

DAMN RIGHT!

hillbillyjim on September 7, 2009 at 10:41 PM

If one cannot get a security clearance no way should one be a top advisor to the President or be in charge of 30 Billion in taxpayer funds.

No way this guy passes a background check and gets a security clearance.

How many other Czars could not get one and should be resigned?

dhunter on September 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Its the consistency and patternization of all who surround
the Hopey/Changey Administration.In Obama’s early primaries
he lead everyone to think,that he had a vast sprawling neigh
bourhood,and yet he knew Ayers,Dorns,Rev.Wright,Father Plage
r and yet he claims to know absolutely nothing about them!!

And now Van Jones has been exposed,and again,Obama plays
dumb!!

This Liberal Administration is either really brilliant,or
absolutely clueless!!

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM

This is driving me NUTS. He didn’t just sign the 2004 petition – he was listed as an organizer and contact for a truther march on Diane Fienstein’s office in 2002 to demand an investigation into the Bush Administration’s culpability for 9/11. It infuriates me they continue to play this as a random petition signature and that’s his only connection to it.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/van-jones-linked-to-9-11-truther.html

Gateway pundit and Tapper have busted Van Jones out further as sitting on the board of a pro jihadist newspaper here: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/09/busted-again-van-jones-was-on-board-at.html

ace tomato on September 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM

What exactly are your parents views on 9/11? It should be easy enough to present them with facts.

ThePrez on September 7, 2009 at 10:38 PM

I don’t know. I just overhead my parents talking about it. I don’t really want to debate them on anything, I just want to be free from this nuthouse (and it’s a nuthouse in more ways than one, this is just the cherry on top).

Darth Executor on September 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Only the left is stuck on race. Everything they see is through the prism of race. They interpret anyone who doesn’t look at race as being racist. Of course, that sort of twisted thinking is why they are leftists.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM

OK, then let them be.

Wouldn’t the better strategy be to focus on things like tort reform, tax code overhaul, etc. etc.?

If, as you say, someone is stuck on stupid, why try to play their game instead of win with your own?

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:43 PM

you, meet same boat!

blatantblue on September 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Look at the bright side, at least we’re the new generation, so maybe the future’s not so bleak.

Darth Executor on September 7, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Still on this Jones story aren’t we neocons? You give them a bone to suck on and they just won’t leave it alone. Typical con.

Afrolib on September 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM

You finally got one thing right.
We’re not done yet.
As your man Biden says – “gird your loins.”

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 10:43 PM

Look at the bright side, at least we’re the new generation, so maybe the future’s not so bleak.

Darth Executor on September 7, 2009 at 10:43 PM

not nearly as bleak as we ever think
not nearly as bright, either.

blatantblue on September 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Only the left is stuck on race. Everything they see is through the prism of race. They interpret anyone who doesn’t look at race as being racist. Of course, that sort of twisted thinking is why they are leftists.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Indeed. I don’t care if Van Jones is white, black, polka dot, or paisley. The man is a troofer and a communist and should not hold a position of political power.

To paraphrase Chief Justice Roberts, the best way to stop discriminating based on race is to stop discriminating based on race.

To expand further on your point though, when faced with a communist troofer, note much of the Left has to search for further reason beyond those two as why someone might oppose him. It is a sign of their particular paranoias that they settle on race…but I think it is just a troubling that they don’t see trooferism or communism as even a potential reason to oppose the man, as if those are well within the political mainstream.

18-1 on September 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM

Every once and a while, you start to believe these pundits believe what they say. Then the mask drops.

Obama sacked Jones, not Beck. Obama sacked Jones because Jones embodies every criticism we have of Obama.

It’s a lot harder for Obama to claim not to be a radical racial opportunist bent on tearing down our way of life in the name of social justice while Jones is the green czar.

jhffmn on September 7, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Take it up with Jones – He quit.

pearson on September 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM

Say it, then!

wccawa on September 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Ultra super-duper authentic. Just like the last set.

Not like he can’t doctor up anything or be paid off for passing this in as evidence.

Don’t you realize that it would be far better to just debate Obama on policy than this nonsense?

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM

I got news for you bucko, the 9th Circuit Court in California aint some little quaint village in the middle of some third world hell hole in Africa or South America. They dont just admit any old piece of paper with crayon scrawling on it as evidence. This is a FEDERAL COURT, and perhaps the most liberal one in America. This sonny boy is as big as the big time gets.

Suck it up, Obama’s days are numbered and this will probably be the trigger Obama and company are looking for to pull a Chavez styled coup.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM

OK, let’s prove it has nothing to do with race. Let’s go after the woman who hired him. I believe she’s white. If not we can go after the others named. I think all of them are white.

Bambi on September 7, 2009 at 10:48 PM

it was stupid of Van to put his name on a very stupid ‘9/11 Truth Statement.’

If this bozo doesn’t know how ‘stupid’ this ‘stupid statement’ was, and didn’t know enough not to put his name on it, then how can anyone feel his judgment or critical thinking skills, or analytic abilities are worth a damn?

TinMan13 on September 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM

“But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power..”

Ummmmmm…….. yeah,

It’s not like any Conservative gets that kind of treatment…

Anyone remember Justice Janice Rogers Brown…?

David, your arguments fall short of rational thought, and basically show you as a political hack…

…. We are not listening anymore. You are an idiot, with your head up your a%s!

Seven Percent Solution on September 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM

But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power…

On the other hand, we have Condi Rice, Colin Powell, ….. guess which party doesn’t make a race distinction.

And that if every mistake, misstep, boneheaded decision, or error in judgment becomes an automatic disqualifier for public service, then we’re going to be left with a political landscape filled with nothing but wrinkle-free, foible-free, passionless automatons who have never made a mistake because they never took the risk of having an original thought.”

Actually, I agree with that.

BacaDog on September 7, 2009 at 10:50 PM

I hope these lefty loons keep talking. They are destroying themselves in record time. Seven months to a failed presidency, that is a damn fine record.

echosyst on September 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM

This Madness must stop!!

I’m going to take a guess,besides Hopey,is there a

Czar CzarExtraodinaire that oversee’s all other Czars!!

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM

You give them a bone to suck on and they just won’t leave it alone. Typical con.

Afrolib on September 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM
We don’t stop until we get the marrow out.

Limerick on September 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM

We don’t cut and run….

HornetSting on September 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM

Yep. I need to move out. Got no choice though. Finished school in mid crap economy. Bleh.

Darth Executor on September 7, 2009 at 10:36 PM

Quit whining and get a job. Or go to grad school.

(sigh). Conservatives…

crr6 on September 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM

To expand further on your point though, when faced with a communist troofer, note much of the Left has to search for further reason beyond those two as why someone might oppose him.

Exactly. And they don’t even realize how strange that looks to normal Americans.

It is a sign of their particular paranoias that they settle on race…

It isn’t paranoia. They don’t believe any this racist cr*p they throw. It’s just the only weapon they have, and they are into ginning up racial animus as much as they can, anyway. The left is all about reducing the US to tribalism, as all race-based collectivists do. They have no other way.

but I think it is just a troubling that they don’t see trooferism or communism as even a potential reason to oppose the man, as if those are well within the political mainstream.

18-1 on September 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM

They have become bold, thinking that America has somehow embraced marxism because The Precedent was elected. That’s why we hear Congress-critters openly praising Castro and Che. They would never have done this before (as Maxine Waters had to dial back her glee with the concept of advancing socialism, in her idiotic questioning during the TARP hearings).

The left has totally lost touch with reality and we are all going to suffer as they try to drive this nation into the abyss. It will be very, very ugly.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Van committed one to many thoughtcrimes. Another victim of the right’s PC police.

crr6 on September 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM


If we had a thought police, where do you think you’d be?

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 10:34 PM

Case dismissed for lack of evidence.

AZfederalist on September 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM

not nearly as bleak as we ever think
not nearly as bright, either.

blatantblue on September 7, 2009 at 10:44 PM

I dunno, I think pretty bleak. Black, bottomless abyss bleak. I make Allah look like that old guy from the 6 flags commercials.

Darth Executor on September 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM

I got news for you bucko, the 9th Circuit Court in California aint some little quaint village in the middle of some third world hell hole in Africa or South America. They dont just admit any old piece of paper with crayon scrawling on it as evidence. This is a FEDERAL COURT, and perhaps the most liberal one in America. This sonny boy is as big as the big time gets.

Suck it up, Obama’s days are numbered and this will probably be the trigger Obama and company are looking for to pull a Chavez styled coup.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM

Yep, same as all of the other “BIG” time cases brought up in Philideplia, Washington D.C., etc. etc.

You had reporters ACTUALLY TOUCH HIS ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE IN THE VAULT IN HAWAII!

You have THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR STANDING BY HER STATEMENT THAT THE CERTIFICATE ON FILE IS REAL. SHE HERSELF STATES THAT SHE HAS SEEN IT HERSELF!

You have TWO NEWSPAPERS ANNOUNCING THE BIRTH FROM THAT TIME!

Look, I get it. You don’t like the guy. But the best way to beat him is on ideas and policy, not on this nonsense that will constantly get smacked down every time.

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM

May we please take up a collection to pay for some intelligent trolls? Shooting fish in a bowl is boring.

pcpower1 on September 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM

9/11 is a day for remembrance – not ‘service’.

How’s this current hijacking attempt of 9/11 polling in the country?

USCitizen on September 7, 2009 at 10:54 PM

David Sirota agiprop tool brutha! STFU and STFD!!!!

sonnyspats1 on September 7, 2009 at 10:55 PM

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:33 PM

I’ll bite. What debate on policy have the dems offered on any of the big ticket items they are pursuing? The last time I looked they were still trying to marginalize everyone but their own true believers.

chemman on September 7, 2009 at 10:56 PM

AZfederalist on September 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM

All I can say is their plan is not going to work. And unfortunately, proving that will be a very ugly thing.

We should never have let them get this far. We will pay a dear price for our failure.
The good thing is, in the end, they will fail.

katy on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM

You really have no idea what you’re talking about. This is evidence and if it’s found to be forged the guy is heading for an extended stay in federal prison – where he probably won’t be treated very well, if you know what I mean.

The other cases were thrown out on ridiculous lack of standing arguments. No reporters touched anything in the vault in Hawaii. However, CNN did lie to Lou Dobbs and claim that the originals had been throw away with digitizing, which was just jaw-dropping in its stupidity – you know, records laws and such.

The Governor didn’t say much, though you’re making the rest of the stuff up in your comment, so I’m sure you’ve made up some interesting statement from her, too.

The fact is, this is in the court’s hands and we’ll all get to see what comes of it. I don’t see what you’re even bothering to argue about. The process is in motion and no one can stop it. That’s the scoop.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Oh, we are just warming up on this big week ahead. Just think we get to see Dear Leader on TV many more times. What could go wrong for DL? I just hope that joint session is orderly and no shouting or anything…

d1carter on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Anyone remember Justice Janice Rogers Brown…?

Seven Percent Solution on September 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Seven Percent Solution:
========================================================
SPS,these few lines are awfully revealing of the Lefty attitude and of racial gaming that they are busy playing!
—————-

A joint report by People for the American Way and the NAACP said California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown is “committed to using her power as a judge” to work against civil and constitutional rights.
———————————————————-
Janice Rogers Brown is the far right’s dream judge,” said Ralph G. Neas, president of People for the American Way. “She embodies Clarence Thomas’s ideological extremism and Antonin Scalia’s abrasiveness and right-wing activism.”
————————————————————-And Hilary Shelton, director of Washington’s chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, accused the Bush administration of hoping “to get some kind of credit because she is the first African-American woman nominated to the D.C. circuit.”

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 10:59 PM

Suck it up, Obama’s days are numbered and this will probably be the trigger Obama and company are looking for to pull a Chavez styled coup.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM

I hope these lefty loons keep talking. They are destroying themselves in record time. Seven months to a failed presidency, that is a damn fine record.

echosyst on September 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM

I see a time of reckoning arising
I see trouble for him on the way
I see earthquakes and lightnin’
I see bad times for Obama coming into play

If he loses his legitimacy outright
Well, it’s bound to take his political life
A time of reckoning is on the rise

I hear hurricanes ablowing
I know Obama’s dictatorial end is coming soon
I see rivers of tea over flowing
I hear the voice of rage that will lead to his ruin

If he loses his legitimacy outright
Well, it’s bound to take his political life
A time of reckoning is on the rise

All right!

Hope he’s got his things together
Hope he is quite prepared for his star to die
Looks like he’s in for nasty weather
One eye is taken for an eye.

If he loses his legitimacy outright
Well, it’s bound to take his political life
A time of reckoning is on the rise

If he loses his legitimacy outright
Well, it’s bound to take his political life
A time of reckoning is on the rise!

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 11:00 PM

You statist f*cks stop attacking Sarah,

and I’ll release my jaw off Van’s neck.

Good job Glenn even if AP doesn’t believe in you.

Sapwolf on September 7, 2009 at 11:00 PM

katy on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

I agree with you; I think (hope, and pray) that they have finally gone far enough and poked the sleeping giant sharply enough that the backlash will be significant.

AZfederalist on September 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM

TinMan13 on September 7, 2009 at 10:49 PM

But he wrote a best selling book on the environment and for that he gets a free pass on the rest of his sloppy thinking.

chemman on September 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Is it just me or does that cross behind him in the logo look kinda familiar?

I’m sure I’ve seen it somewhere before.

But it’s not like the left has ever done anything symbolically similar before.

Nah, it’s gotta be a coincidence.

CPL 310 on September 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Look, I get it. You don’t like the guy. But the best way to beat him is on ideas and policy, not on this nonsense that will constantly get smacked down every time.

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM

What does Obama’s birth certificate have to do with his, ahem, “poor judgement” in appointing some big-mouthed far left loon to some “mid-level managerial position”?

Van Jones was the one that got “smacked down”.

ddrintn on September 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM

?

CPL 310 on September 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM

Case dismissed for lack of evidence.

AZfederalist on September 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM

I yield to the superiority of your logic.

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 11:02 PM

Disregard my last. Had a post there that… didn’t post. Odd.

CPL 310 on September 7, 2009 at 11:02 PM

You really have no idea what you’re talking about. This is evidence and if it’s found to be forged the guy is heading for an extended stay in federal prison – where he probably won’t be treated very well, if you know what I mean.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Win, lose or draw we will get him! He will beg to just be waterboarded.

DasObamaReich on September 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM

I’ll bite. What debate on policy have the dems offered on any of the big ticket items they are pursuing? The last time I looked they were still trying to marginalize everyone but their own true believers.

chemman on September 7, 2009 at 10:56 PM

I will be the first to say that the Democratic Caucus has focused more on endorsing their own proposal by using the election as a mandate.

But it isn’t the responsibility of the majority party to ask the other caucuses for their ideas. That should happen automatically.

Last time I checked I didn’t see Lincoln, Reagan, or the two Bushes wait around while they were President until the Democratic party came up with ideas before pursuing their own initiatives.

The point is that the Republicans need to push their proposals instead of staying focused on why they hate Barack Obama.

Rep. Ryan submitted a healthcare proposal; why not have the entire Republican caususes (in both houses) focused on telling America how great their plan is?

People like leaders with plans. That’s where the flaw with the Republicans are now. They seem like they have none when in fact they do. The republicans are just not showcasing it.

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM

“But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power, because you will be billed as some nefarious combination of Al Sharpton, Huey Newton, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael and Willie Horton.”

Really? And here’s me thinking that the US had just elected a progressive black man to the highest office in the country, much less “near the halls of power.” Seems to me that politicians and the media not only welcomed Obama, they rolled out the carpet, prostrated themselves before him, and kissed his shoes as he walked into office.

I’m sick to death of liberal a$$hats and the ‘racism’ card. I’ve had e-f’ing-nough of it.

Midas on September 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 11:00 PM

Funny, I always thought the words were:
“There’s a bathroom on the right!”

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Isn’t it time we acknowledge that no human being with any passion and deeply held beliefs ever emerged flawless into the world? And that if every mistake, misstep, boneheaded decision, or error in judgment becomes an automatic disqualifier for public service, then we’re going to be left with a political landscape filled with nothing but wrinkle-free, foible-free, passionless automatons who have never made a mistake because they never took the risk of having an original thought.”

MACACA!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/searchG/?cx=partner-pub-3264687723376607%3Atlvacw-gkue&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=arianna+huffington+macaca&sa.x=0&sa.y=0&sa=Search#1022

dIb on September 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM

You give them a bone to suck on and they just won’t leave it alone. Typical con.

Afrolib on September 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM
We don’t stop until we get the marrow out.

Limerick on September 7, 2009 at 10:31 PM
We don’t cut and run….

HornetSting on September 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM

HornetSting: Or when shit hits the fan,try to bury the
bone!:)

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM

the backlash will be significant.

AZfederalist on September 7, 2009 at 11:01 PM

I think it already is. And it’s gaining ground with every new day!!!

katy on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM

I just hope that joint session is orderly and no shouting or anything…

d1carter on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Who would shout?

misslizzi on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM

In America, governmental advancement is wide open for right-wing movement players, and you can even vaguely hope for a seat at the political table if you are a white progressive former hippe-turned-yuppie liberal. But if you are a black person with any enduring loyalty to progressive movement or social justice activism, the loud and clear message from politicians and the media is that you are not welcome anywhere near the halls of power, because you will be billed as some nefarious combination of Al Sharpton, Huey Newton, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael and Willie Horton.”
__________________________________________
I believe this is absolutely backwards. Switch the words white and black within the text and you’ll come closer to the truth. And as for governmental advancement, the NAACP can help you with that. I still find it hard to believe that the National Association for the Advancement for Colored People is still in existence. It’s hard to say (type) that with a straight face.

pcpower1 on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM

HornetSting on September 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM

HornetSting: Or when shit hits the fan,try to bury the
bone!:)

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM

Under a rocket’s red glare……

HornetSting on September 7, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Still on this Jones story aren’t we neocons? You give them a bone to suck on and they just won’t leave it alone. Typical con.

Afrolib on September 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM

How’s the “Great Negro Pushback” coming along. Have you guys picked out which Starbucks will be your headquarters?

Chuck Schick on September 7, 2009 at 11:06 PM

Where has the media, and that Greek socialist/communist hypocrite Arianna been, since at least April?

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2009 at 11:07 PM

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:03 PM

And now you know why I left the Republican Party. A massive failure to stand up for their ideas and Judge appointments. Since that fateful day I have seen nothing to change my mind about the GOP.

chemman on September 7, 2009 at 11:07 PM

You had reporters ACTUALLY TOUCH HIS ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE IN THE VAULT IN HAWAII!

Bullshit, that never happened, it would violate Hawaiian law.

You have THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR STANDING BY HER STATEMENT THAT THE CERTIFICATE ON FILE IS REAL. SHE HERSELF STATES THAT SHE HAS SEEN IT HERSELF!

No one is suggesting his Hawaiian COLB is fake, just that the information on it is being concealed.

You have TWO NEWSPAPERS ANNOUNCING THE BIRTH FROM THAT TIME!

Look, I get it. You don’t like the guy. But the best way to beat him is on ideas and policy, not on this nonsense that will constantly get smacked down every time.

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 10:53 PM

And that doesnt actually prove anything…

The “Certification of Live Birth”
shown around the internet has a legal notice
in the lower right hand corner which reads
[HRS 338-13(b), 338-19].

Said 338-13(b) is subject to the requirements of
338-16, 338-17, and 338-18;
338-16 is a birth certificate registered
one year or more after birth which
has been altered after being filed,
it shall contain the date of late filing
and the date of alteration.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.” The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

[In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obama’s grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country.]

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I think it already is. And it’s gaining ground with every new day!!!

katy on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM

You bet it’s gaining ground. Take a look at the Tea Party Express rally I attended on Saturday in Joilet Illinois.

The local sheriff reported 10,000 attended.

Whoooo Hoooo, look at all those racists/

Knucklehead on September 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I didn’t know that the “Great Negro Pushback” had ever stopped.

pcpower1 on September 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM

Van committed one to many thoughtcrimes. Another victim of the right’s PC police.

crr6 on September 7, 2009 at 10:08 PM

Damn, and all this time I been walking around thinking Political Correctness is the method of rewriting history and suppressing freedom of speech instituted by the Thought Police on the left. Goes to show what I know.

By the way, are you really AprilORBIT just using another name?

Gang-of-One on September 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Did Arianna disclose that Van Jones was her political director when she ran for governor of CA?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14437

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I have seen your postings on this the last few days. While I find it intriguing I am not convinced that the courts will take any action regardless of the evidence.

chemman on September 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM

You really have no idea what you’re talking about. This is evidence and if it’s found to be forged the guy is heading for an extended stay in federal prison – where he probably won’t be treated very well, if you know what I mean.

Except that if the case goes awry he can just drop it before that point.

The other cases were thrown out on ridiculous lack of standing arguments. No reporters touched anything in the vault in Hawaii. However, CNN did lie to Lou Dobbs and claim that the originals had been throw away with digitizing, which was just jaw-dropping in its stupidity – you know, records laws and such.

People from FactCheck.org did touch it, as well as other reporters. Please at least Google before making statements:

FactCheck article

The Governor didn’t say much, though you’re making the rest of the stuff up in your comment, so I’m sure you’ve made up some interesting statement from her, too.

Governor’s Statements

Be sure to read it through. She made statements, multiple times.

The fact is, this is in the court’s hands and we’ll all get to see what comes of it. I don’t see what you’re even bothering to argue about. The process is in motion and no one can stop it. That’s the scoop.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 10:58 PM

The problem is that the more time you talk abgout this the less time we get to hear about more important things, like what is in the current bills floating through Congress, the wars going on, etc. I am all for hearing out legitamite ideas, but not nonsense like this.

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Now that the The Race Card has been brought out, this is officially boring and over. Let’s move on to the next target. I think it should be Valerie Jarret. She’s the big fish.

Emily M. on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM

HornetSting on September 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM

HornetSting: Or when shit hits the fan,try to bury the
bone!:)

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM
Under a rocket’s red glare……

HornetSting on September 7, 2009 at 11:06 PM

HornetSting:rockets red glare,sweet,hehe:)

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM

Emily M. on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM

+1 One step closer to Dear Leader.

d1carter on September 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM

I find the evidence that Jones is a Truther flimsy. I find the evidence that he is a left wing radical devastating.

I think we should stop focusing on the Truther stuff and remind people of the real problems with Van Jones.

Johnny 100 Pesos on September 7, 2009 at 11:17 PM

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM

I don’t know what to tell you other than the fact that this idea (not you) is looney. What will you do when this case is thrown out, dismissed, etc.?

Will you finally focus on better things?

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:18 PM

wccawa on September 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM

O/T I am sure there is a good reason, but we miss your company.

Cindy Munford on September 7, 2009 at 11:19 PM

People from FactCheck.org did touch it, as well as other reporters. Please at least Google before making statements:

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM

I don’t have to google anything. I know exactly what you were talking about and what you said is untrue. The factcheck fool and one other reporter claimed to have touched the COLB that was the source of the third image appearing on the net. That’s all. No “vault copy” of anything.

As to what Lingle said, I know that, too. Big deal. It isn’t what you are trying to make it out to be.

I can talk about this and talk about other things at the same time. I don’t see why you would think that discussing the BC issue takes time away from anything. It doesn’t.

progressoverpeace on September 7, 2009 at 11:20 PM

Now that the The Race Card has been brought out, this is officially boring and over. Let’s move on to the next target. I think it should be Valerie Jarret. She’s the big fish.

Emily M. on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Emily M: Your so right,Emily! Time for a Target-Reset
and off to the next one!!

And,the Right is only playing by the save rules
that can be found in the Liberal Playbook!!:)

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM

For instance, are we really expected to believe that Jones signing one random petition is a bigger problem than, say, Geithner accepting free room and board for the industry he is supposed to be regulating?…

Lol, is he serious? I’m sure we’d all be more than happy for Geithner to leave too.

Emily M. on September 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Ugh,that same rules,not save!

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM

ace tomato on September 7, 2009 at 10:42 PM

Jake Tapper wrote more here on the latest denials by Van Jones.

The War Times is a poisonous anti-American, pro-jihadi hate-filled far left monthly paper that began publishing in January 2002. Van Jones was instrumental in the creation of this publication and sat on its board for at least the first year and a half of its existence.

Jones will be the downfall of Obama. Just because he’s gone does not mean we should stop looking into this freak.
He may be the key to unlocking the real Barak Obama!

katy on September 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM

Up jumps the Rev. Wrong to make his predictable statement.
The race card is dealt so often it is getting torn and tattered.

Time to replace the deck.

katy the mean old lady on September 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM

And now you know why I left the Republican Party. A massive failure to stand up for their ideas and Judge appointments. Since that fateful day I have seen nothing to change my mind about the GOP.

chemman on September 7, 2009 at 11:07 PM

This is the core problem!

Let’s take everyone here for their word and say that Obama is a massive failure.

What do you think people will ask? “What’s your idea(s)?”

What is your solution? And all the GOP will do is run on the same script that the GOP always runs on:

Low taxes
Big Military
Big Family Values

I just don’t see the big draw on running on the same old stuff. And the thing is that the Republicans are so much more if they bring out all of their ideas.

They can only do that if they focus on the ideas instead of the attacks.

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM

I wonder if Van Jones is a Alex Jones follower!
(Sarc).

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:23 PM

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Wrong answer, you loose…

Observations which invalidate the FactCheck, Snopes and Fight the Smears electronic version of Barack Obama’s “certification” of live birth, which is the only version ever presented and never officially submitted to the party:

* A Certification of Live Birth is an abbreviated computer-generated document based on the original Certificate of Live Birth. The two documents are not identical. The former requires certification by officials issuing the short-form with a raised seal. The latter is valid on its own and contains all relevant birth information including name of hospital, delivering doctor, actual date of birth, witnesses, and local or foreign place of birth (in accordance with Statute HRS 338-17.8.).

* However, the computer-generated version of the Certification of Live Birth posted on the three sites as proof of Barack Obama’s birth in Honolulu is not valid because a caveat emptor is printed on the certification itself which warns the document loses validity if it has been revised or tampered with. The identifying Certificate No. at the top right-hand corner of the document used for tracking has been blackened out by hand with a marker, or, with a computer graphics program. To date, no proper official under oath has seen or touched a paper copy of said unaltered certification with a official raised seal, if it exists.

* FactCheck.org is a misnomer and guilty of making the incorrect claim that the “[Hawaii] Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu…” Hawaii officials have made NO such claim. Hawaii officials have merely said they possess his original birth certificate in their vault. Many people, including his own step-sister born in Indonesia, have an original birth certificate in the Hawaiian vital records, due to law HRS 338-17.8 which expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.

* On the same web page, FactCheck also falsely states, “FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.” In truth, the document examined by FactCheck is a 2007 computer-generated document and is obviously not the “original” Obama 1961 birth. Their statements are simply and unequivocally, false.

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 11:24 PM

CRR if it was the thought police it would be the government being involved. you are ignorant and a tool. I laugh heartily at you . I bet you think you of an independent mind.

CWforFreedom on September 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 PM

Talk about protesting too much!

All the majority of “birthers” want is truth. Verifiable truth. If Osama Obama’s alleged Hawaiian birth was on the up-and-up, that’s fine. If not, it’s just another one of the many solid reasons that the Chicago Jesus is totally unqualified — not to mention unfit — to be president.

The howls of racism, when added to the stream of totalitarian thugs in the Obamintern, has stopped being even slightly amusing. As the chorus of incitement gets louder and more threatening from the lefties, it nears a point of being out of control, with unpleasant consequences to the nation following.

MrScribbler on September 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Nice!

dIb on September 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM

I don’t know what to tell you other than the fact that this idea (not you) is looney. What will you do when this case is thrown out, dismissed, etc.?

Will you finally focus on better things?

ckoeber on September 7, 2009 at 11:18 PM

What will you do when it’s not…

doriangrey on September 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Knucklehead on September 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Wow!! 10,000! holy crap!

I am going to guess there will be close to 1/4 of a million in DC!!

Guess congress should get out their Depends. Looks like a lot a pols getting all wee wee’d up Sat.

katy on September 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Why is it that lib Dems have such an aversion to reading important documents before they support them? First Congressional Democrats are incredulous that they should have to read bills before voting, and now we find out Van Jones is in the habit of signing petitions he now claims he didn’t read.

In both cases, the question is if it is simply so they can have plausible deniability, or if they are really too lazy to read.

willamettevalley on September 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM

I think that’s why they’re really upset over this whole thing. They truly believed after the election they’d be untouchable for life, or at least that James “We’re gonna be in power for 40 years!!!” Carville crap. Then the health care mess happened, and now Glenn Beck basically got one of their own kicked out of the White House. They’re in a panic.

Emily M. on September 7, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Knucklehead on September 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM

And that’s without Sarah Palin!

katy on September 7, 2009 at 11:27 PM

The notion that Jones was pursued because he is black is absurd. The reality is that people like Beck went after Jones because he was the most openly radical of Obama’s advisers and if the Press had been doing its job and vetted Jones instead of running interface for Obama like the good little lap dogs that they are, then a radical Marxist revolutionary like Jones wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the White House let alone the opportunity to preside of billions of dollars of taxpayer money.

Hellrider on September 7, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Did Arianna disclose that Van Jones was her political director when she ran for governor of CA?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/14437

Schadenfreude on September 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Wow! I don’t think Arianna has mentioned this in anything that I have read. Just wow!

d1carter on September 7, 2009 at 11:29 PM

You bet it’s gaining ground. Take a look at the Tea Party Express rally I attended on Saturday in Joilet Illinois.

The local sheriff reported 10,000 attended.

Whoooo Hoooo, look at all those racists/

Knucklehead on September 7, 2009 at 11:08 PM

Illinois Nazis! :p

bikermailman on September 7, 2009 at 11:30 PM

Still on this Jones story aren’t we neocons? You give them a bone to suck on and they just won’t leave it alone. Typical con.

Afrolib on September 7, 2009 at 10:30 PM

Do you even know what the f*ck a neocon is? Look it up sometime. There are plenty of libertarians, paleoconservatives, etc. on this site.

NathanG on September 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM

My guess on the birth certificate thing is this: He’s probably fine, but he’s playing it as if there’s something hidden there, to make the ‘birthers’ look fringe kooks. But then again, they’ve been pretty tone deaf, politically, so there could in fact be something there. I’ve stayed on the sidelines on this one, til proven otherwise. We have plenty of other stuff to hit the guy with, including all the czars. BTW, AP, your ‘my God, it’s full of czars!’ title a couple of weeks ago was priceless! I still chuckle about that one.

bikermailman on September 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Nathan, to the Left, ‘neocon’ is code word for ‘da Jooooosss’. When you read the whole context of how it’s been used, since Bush’s early days, that’s how most of them use it. Or at least they did. Dunno what they do now, they’re so off their flippin rockers on OgbabeAid.

bikermailman on September 7, 2009 at 11:35 PM

Funny, I always thought the words were:
“There’s a bathroom on the right!”

massrighty on September 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM

Actually, until a few years ago, so did I. I thought it was a beer drinking song.

MB4 on September 7, 2009 at 11:36 PM

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:21 PM
I think that’s why they’re really upset over this whole thing. They truly believed after the election they’d be untouchable for life, or at least that James “We’re gonna be in power for 40 years!!!” Carville crap. Then the health care mess happened, and now Glenn Beck basically got one of their own kicked out of the White House. They’re in a panic.

Emily M. on September 7, 2009 at 11:27 PM

Emily M.: I do agree,I think Angst and Disarray is whats
happening,after Gates debacle,HealthCare,and now
Van Jones,with a boycott of Beck blowing up in
their faces,and royaly back-firing,they are be
coming trigger-shy!!!

And your right about the untouchable part,but
that as well,didn`t go according to Obama’s or
AxleRods plans!!:)

canopfor on September 7, 2009 at 11:36 PM

Guess congress should get out their Depends. Looks like a lot a pols getting all wee wee’d up Sat.

katy on September 7, 2009 at 11:26 PM

Are you going?

Can we get 9/12 head count?

Ed or AP need to give us a thread so we can “meet up” and make plans.

Knucklehead on September 7, 2009 at 11:37 PM

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