UK sources: Obama knew about the Lockerbie bomber every step of the way

posted at 8:06 pm on September 6, 2009 by Allahpundit

Via Astute Bloggers, is this a scandal or not?

British officials claim Mr Obama and Mrs Clinton were kept informed at all stages of discussions concerning Megrahi’s return.

The officials say the Americans spoke out because they were taken aback by the row over Megrahi’s release, not because they did not know it was about to happen.

‘The US was kept fully in touch about everything that was going on with regard to Britain’s discussions with Libya in recent years and about Megrahi,’ said the Whitehall aide.

‘We would never do anything about Lockerbie without discussing it with the US. It is disingenuous of them to act as though Megrahi’s return was out of the blue.

I’ve always assumed that they knew what was going on. How could they not? The objection to Megrahi’s release, as articulated by Frum, is that they didn’t pound the table more, not that they weren’t kept informed. Even so, this is the same M.O. The One followed during the Iran uprising, isn’t it? He keeps his mouth shut until a critical mass of public outrage is reached, then he creeps behind the podium and offers tepid denunciations. Way to lead, champ.


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bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:02 AM

No. He’s the most watched so the best way to get word out. Don’t you see the value in that?

This is a major story that could strike deep in many people – POTUS signing off on an oil for terrorist deal. I guess now we know why Jones quit – needed to manage this “crisis”.

gopmom on September 7, 2009 at 9:08 AM

Obama once again displays empathy for Islamic killers. Iranians captured in Iraq, Iranian forces murdering protesters and now the scum that murdered Americans over Scotland. Where Obama shows no empathy of course, is towards the innocents who are born unwanted and all those who oppose him real or imagined.

Where is the outrage, America? You elected this POTUS and his clown posse.

Hening on September 7, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Obama once again displays empathy for Islamic killers. Iranians captured in Iraq, Iranian forces murdering protesters and now the scum that murdered Americans over Scotland.

Hening on September 7, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Next thing you know he’ll be supplying arms to the Iranians.

He probably has Ollie North and ‘Dex on speed dial!

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:20 AM

‘The US was kept fully in touch about everything that was going on with regard to Britain’s discussions with Libya in recent years and about Megrahi,’ said the Whitehall aide.

This bothers me also… that implies Bush and Condi were also kept informed. Now this may just be a CYA by the UK, but ….

I would like nothing more than to lay all this at the feet of the Obama admin, but it seems like there is more to the story that in all likelihood we won’t hear about for a long while.

Sorry – I guess I’m just getting overly cynical nowadays – I just don’t trust much about government at this point.

unaffiliated on September 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Where’s the amazing Tom Brokaf and the other whores at NBC on this story.

Once again I’ll borrow words form Harry Reid. ” He lied to the American people and he should be impeached and tried as a traitor.

bluegrass on September 7, 2009 at 9:25 AM

I would like nothing more than to lay all this at the feet of the Obama admin, but it seems like there is more to the story that in all likelihood we won’t hear about for a long while.

unaffiliated on September 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM

Shoot first, ask questions later.

You’re either with us, or against us.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Where’s the amazing Tom Brokaf and the other whores at NBC on this story.

He lied to the American people and he should be impeached and tried as a traitor.

bluegrass on September 7, 2009 at 9:25 AM

Tom Brokaw is to the east, south, west and north of Tikrit… somewhat.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:29 AM

As someone in the U.K, I was just wondering why people believe any U.S President should be consulted and have influence over another country’s political and legal law decision’s.

mags on September 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Next thing you know he’ll be supplying arms to the Iranians.

He probably has Ollie North and ‘Dex on speed dial!

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Even worse, he’s providing opportunities for Iran and Islamic terrorism from the Oval Office on a global scale which far outstrips the provisioning of small tactical weapons.

Hening on September 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Shoot first, ask questions later.

You’re either with us, or against us.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:27 AM

Huh?? Sorry, but I’m of the ‘question everything school’!

unaffiliated on September 7, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Oh, no; Obama caught lying again? I’m truly astonished! Our dearest trusted leader! He’ll make Bill Clinton look like a choir boy before he’s done.

Cybergeezer on September 7, 2009 at 9:41 AM

Now if only Cheney and Palin start asking about it.

They are the only ones that the MSM and Obama respond to.

barnone on September 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Even worse, he’s providing opportunities for Iran and Islamic terrorism from the Oval Office on a global scale which far outstrips the provisioning of small tactical weapons.

Hening on September 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Yes, a hostage being released from prison is such a seriously cataclysmic event that it also serves as the most signicant call to arms for Islamists in the Middle East for the past, oh, I dunno, six and a half years?

You get an A.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM

Sorry, my mistake. “Hostage” should have read “terrorist.”

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:46 AM

This bothers me also… that implies Bush and Condi were also kept informed. Now this may just be a CYA by the UK, but ….

unaffiliated on September 7, 2009 at 9:24 AM

They were kept informed and they said NO.
Pres. Obama and SEc. Clinton may not have said yes, but they didn’t say NO.

barnone on September 7, 2009 at 9:47 AM

Let send both bush and Oramadan to Afganistan to face a military trail with our soldiers and see where it goes.

bluegrass on September 7, 2009 at 9:53 AM

You don’t have to reach back very far in history to see duplicitous displays of politics like this; It’s taking place in Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, China, North Korea, Iran;
Obama wants to see the United States of America on this list!

Cybergeezer on September 7, 2009 at 9:59 AM

Sarah Palin should devote a lot of time to this criminal activity:

Cybergeezer on September 7, 2009 at 10:03 AM

Who can be surprised? The Brits would not do anything this major that involves Americans without getting at least the tacit approval of the Americn govenment. The big scandal is that the MSM has not pointed out the obvious and has not demanded the relevant government documents to prove it.

Obama’s foreign policies coverty favor America’s enemies over even Americans grievously injured by then. Glenn Beck may be considered a crackpot by those on the left (and I have harbored such feelings myself!), but, as the Van Jones affair demonstrates, he is much more spot on about the Obama administration’s perfidy both dometically and in foreign affairs than his detractors are about him.

ptolemy on September 7, 2009 at 10:16 AM

This is not about a disagreement. This is about an accusation made by foreigners.

Norman Blizter on September 7, 2009 at 1:01 AM

who are far more worthy of trust than -0-

Onager on September 7, 2009 at 10:20 AM

Of course Obama knew. His aim was to embarrass the UK.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM

This bothers me also… that implies Bush and Condi were also kept informed.

They probably were. Of course, Until January 20, 2009, the answer was “hell, no!”.

John Deaux on September 7, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Is someone paging Beck?

gopmom on September 7, 2009 at 8:59 AM

Glenn Beck is a little busy right now.

He is experiencing a spot of cognitive dissonance over the success of his Van Jones campaign and the fact that FOX News and the guy who fills in for him on occasion has given a national platform to one of the very founders of “9/11 Truth” to share his views and plug his website where I can read all about how the Twin Towers were brought down by a controlled demolition. Oh yes, Judge also referred to Mr. Jones at least twice as “the one, the only, the great Alex Jones”.

So the FOX News message is that it’s not okay to hold particular views with regard to 9/11 and have the ear of the President, but it’s ok to allow one of the main proponents of the 9/11 Truth go on your show and plug his website.

Glenn Beck, where is the outrage?

Gee, I wonder what will happen when people realise that Glenn Beck’s research on FEMA Camps was conducted on prisonplanet.com.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

CJ, I thought you would be in hiding

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Toldja

drjohn on September 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM

Well well well. Looks like Barry IS a terrorist sympathizer afterall.

marklmail on September 7, 2009 at 10:52 AM

Obama Doctrine: Free terrorists, jail CIA

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Obama knew; a terrorist flew

Luckily the same media that reamed Bush daily for 6 years will be on this shortly.

Hello!???

NBC CBS ABC PBS???!!!???

Heeeellllooooo??!!??

*crickets*

profitsbeard on September 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM

As someone in the U.K, I was just wondering why people believe any U.S President should be consulted and have influence over another country’s political and legal law decision’s.

mags on September 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Maybe because Pan Am 103 was an American Flag carrier with 170 Americans aboard…Get a clue buddy!

Nozzle on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM

As someone in the U.K, I was just wondering why people believe any U.S President should be consulted and have influence over another country’s political and legal law decision’s.

mags on September 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

Lend-Lease ring a bell?

D-Day?

profitsbeard on September 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Lend-Lease ring a bell?

D-Day?

profitsbeard on September 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Come on mate, at least give them a break for providing significant assistance in America’s Middle East adventure when no other country in their right mind would.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Next thing you know he’ll be supplying arms to the Iranians.

He probably has Ollie North and ‘Dex on speed dial!

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 9:20 AM

A truckload of TOW missles in trade for American hostages seems like a bargain to me…I hope that Americans in harms way will always have an Ollie North fighting for them.

Nozzle on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM

A truckload of TOW missles in trade for American hostages seems like a bargain to me…

Nozzle on September 7, 2009 at 11:15 AM

Negotiating the exchange of arms with terrorists… tsk tsk. Uncle Ronnie is frowning on you from above.

This display of moral relativism has certainly revealed your progressive streak!

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 11:20 AM

CJ, I thought you would be in hiding

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 10:48 AM

Point out what I said that isn’t true.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM

Point out what I said that isn’t true.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 11:28 AM

You’re a buffoon. You’re comparing an episode of a TV show to a President choosing a communist radical as an advisor.

faraway on September 7, 2009 at 11:34 AM

Menacing,black, threatening,storm clouds are gathering and I fear there is going to be heavy rain coming down!

Marco on September 7, 2009 at 12:20 PM

profitsbeard on September 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM

Condemn it, discuss it ,but to believe any country has the right or power to overturn a democratic
soveign countries decision because their own citizens were killed is a bit hypocritical.

profitsbeard on September 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM

The U.K has only just finished paying off the war debt,we had to pay you for your help.
You sat out the first few years,which included The Battle of Britain.

Re D-Day,
Veterans here are shocked by this attitude of saving us,when in reality the U.S only came on board after Pearl Harbour.

They believe the hero’s were the one’s that were left behind,whatever nationality.

It was an allied invasion on D-Day.Please don’t try to underplay other countries role and losses during ww2.

However does it now mean that it gives you the right
to demand an input in other countries political system?

profitsbeard on September 7, 2009 at 11:09 AM

The U.S didn’t declare war on Germany until Pearl Habour.

mags on September 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM

mags on September 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM

That is a very confusing comment. It’s hard to distinguish who said what. Please use the quotations button to indicate a quote.

You sound a little bitter that you had to “pay” us for our involvement with your war. Only a stupid, grasping socialist thinks he has a right to another person’s property, no less another person’s blood.

Pathetic.

atheling on September 7, 2009 at 12:48 PM

As someone in the U.K, I was just wondering why people believe any U.S President should be consulted and have influence over another country’s political and legal law decision’s.

mags on September 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM
Maybe because Pan Am 103 was an American Flag carrier with 170 Americans aboard…Get a clue buddy!

Nozzle on September 7, 2009 at 11:05 AM

Its also my understanding that the UK made assurances to the U.S. that Megrahi would serve his entire prison sentence in the UK. Besides, the US and UK worked very closely for years on this case at the highest levels; common courtesy.

Firefly_76 on September 7, 2009 at 12:50 PM

mags spat: As someone in the U.K, I was just wondering why people believe any U.S President should be consulted and have influence over another country’s political and legal law decision’s.

Is that so? Well, I’ve wondered the same thing, ever since Londonistan demanded America “repatriate” (Scot-free) al-Qaeda dirty-bomb plotter, Binyam Mohammed.

But to answer your question, Clipper Maid of the Seas was an American flagged airliner with 189 American citizens aboard, that’s what. America deferred prosecutorial jurisdiction to Scotland. But be assured, we’ll keep this case in mind in future dealings with EUarbians and Londonistanis.

The sober Scottish Lords– who patiently heard the evidence and convicted Megrahi– sat beneath the ancient Scottish motto “Nemo Me Impune Lacessit” which roughly translates as “Don’t cut at me and expect to get away with it.”

Now in a fit of delusional sentimentalism (or a drunken stupor on cheap linoleum– or both), one stinking drunk and disorderly soccer yob “Justice” Minister tossed centuries of Scottish jurisprudence down the filthiest toilet in Barlinnie.

/disgraceful

Terp Mole on September 7, 2009 at 1:57 PM

atheling on September 7, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I was objecting to the assumption, that we were ‘saved’.
Why even bring up ww2?
Impying that because we were saved it gives the U.S the right to dictate our domestic policy.
The war debt is paid,we don’t owe you any support.

Firefly_76 on September 7, 2009 at 12:50 PM

‘Courtesy’

The campaign of terror, waged against British citizens

for more than 30 years, was bankrolled by donations from the USA — and in those 30 years the U.S would not extradite wanted terrorists to face charges here, despite our repeated requests.
Both federal and local US courts refused extradition requests almost as policy, while the funding of the IRA continued without interruption and was still raking in the money even after 9/11, when the Americans suddenly decided that they ought to start proscribing certain terrorist groups.
The IRA was not, for some time, one of the groups so proscribed.

mags on September 7, 2009 at 1:58 PM

mags on September 7, 2009 at 1:58 PM

I’m going to ignore your comments until you use the quotation button as a courtesy so that readers can distinguish who said what.

atheling on September 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM

mags sneered: the U.S would not extradite wanted terrorists to face charges here, despite our repeated requests.

So, which is it? Why do Brits have any right to be “consulted and have influence over another country’s political and legal law decision’s“? You can’t have it both ways, twit.

/hypocrit Brit

See also: The links between Libya and the IRA

Terp Mole on September 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM

mags spat: even after 9/11, when the Americans suddenly decided that they ought to start proscribing certain terrorist groups. The IRA was not, for some time, one of the groups so proscribed.

I call BS on your smear campaign. Cite your sources or STFU. The Treasury Department has designated terrorist organizations well before 9/11. The Real IRA was first designated as FTO in May 2001.

mags is so full of crap. Doesn’t even try to keep up with British IRA victim case. [Hint: Victims of Kaddafi's IRA proxy army are not suing America.]

Britain to back IRA victims’ lawsuit against Libya

Britain’s surprise decision to support a lawsuit against Libya by Irish Republican Army victims raised hopes Monday that thousands who were maimed or lost loved ones in IRA bombings might receive compensation payments one day from the oil-rich nation.

Libya admits it shipped hundreds of tons of weaponry to the IRA in the mid-1980s, most critically the plastic explosive Semtex at the heart of the outlawed group’s biggest and deadliest bombs. Lawyers say they expect the regime of Col. Moammar Gadhafi to pay 10 million pounds ($16 million) to each member on their growing list of IRA victims.

The fact is, if the Libyans hadn’t provided the IRA with the Semtex, my son would be alive today,” said peace campaigner Colin Parry, one of more than 150 litigants in the case initially filed in U.S. courts in 2006 and currently in legal limbo. Parry’s 12-year-old son and a 3-year-old boy were killed when the IRA bombed a shopping district in Warrington, northwest England, in February 1993.

Go peddle your bile somewhere else, troll.

Terp Mole on September 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM

This, in my opinion, is a bigger deal if true than Jones. If this WH knew and consented to the Libyan release, that alone is a refutation of the oath taken on 1/20/09. He swore to “preserve and protect”. Where is the “protect”?

Voter from WA State on September 7, 2009 at 6:59 PM

Not only that, he lied by pretending to “protest” the actions of the British in releasing this scum.

I think that’s an impeachable offense.

atheling on September 7, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Megrahi’s release could be the story of the decade for the world media if they choose to act…It has all the drama, the international intrigue, and a cast of characters not unlike a James Bond movie…Gordon Brown maneuvered to release Megrahi for an oil deal. Of course, Hillary and Obama were informed all along. It is unthinkable that they did not know and participate in the decision to release Megrahi. For the United States, the bombing of Pan Am 103 was an unprecented act of Air Piracy. We have had a seat at the table all these years with regard to finding and prosecuting the perpetrators of this crime. Brown is on his way out as he will almost certainly be deposed as PM at the next election so he does not have much to lose. When Obama and Hillary throw him under the bus with regard to what they knew about the release, Brown counters with leaks that the Administration was informed all the way. The upshot and plot to this movie is that the US and UK governments conspired to release a monster. The UK get the oil deal and Obama shows deference to his muslim brothers…The only surprise is the public outcry that these three stooges underestimated…Grounds for impeachment, story of the decade and screenplay all in one. Kinda like All the Presidents Men…What did Obama know and when did he know it?

Nozzle on September 7, 2009 at 10:07 PM

The U.S didn’t declare war on Germany until Pearl Habour.

mags on September 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Totally WRONG.

What a wanker. Anyone who’s ever read beyond a middle-school history book knows that the US declared war on Japan on Monday Dec 8th after Japan’s sneak attack on Hawaii.

Hitler hadn’t been advised by his Japanese allies that they were going to attack the US but he wanted to get in on the fun too so he declared war on the US on Dec 8th.

CatchAll on September 8, 2009 at 1:35 AM

atheling on September 7, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I was objecting to the assumption, that we were ’saved’.
Why even bring up ww2?
Impying that because we were saved it gives the U.S the right to dictate our domestic policy.
The war debt is paid,we don’t owe you any support. mags on September 7, 2009 at 1:58 PM

-Again, totally WRONG. Now you are a double wanker.

-When the UK stopped making payments to the USA on the UK’s WWII Lend-Lease debts back in the 60′s, the USA decided to forgive the debts. You Welshed on your debts and got off Scot-free. (snicker)

-So you say you don’t owe us any support? Okay pal, we’ll remember you said that when your country is finally over-run by Islamo-fascist jihadi African-Paki-Arab terrorists who force y’all to either convert to Islam, accept dhimmitude/subjugation or get beheaded.

-At that point, don’t come crying to us again for help like you did in WWI and WWII because we’ll have wised up by then about Islam and realized that Islam The Religion Of Peace is actually a Satan-spawned gutter ideology passing itself off as a religion. At that point we’ll give our own Islamo-fascists here in the US three choices – convert to Judaism, convert to Christianity, or get the hell out of the country.

CatchAll on September 8, 2009 at 1:58 AM

Of course Barry knew.

And he could have prevented the release – there are always ways and means.

But he didn’t want to. Because he doesn’t see the US as representing all that is right in the war against Islamic fanatics, he concomitantly doesn’t view terrorists and their nation-state havens as entirely wrong.

Empathy and relativism all the way, baby.

One Against Many on September 8, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Even so, this is the same M.O. The One followed during the Iran uprising, isn’t it? He keeps his mouth shut until a critical mass of public outrage is reached, then he creeps behind the podium and offers tepid denunciations. Way to lead, champ.

Present!

NickelAndDime on September 8, 2009 at 9:20 AM

This bothers me also… that implies Bush and Condi were also kept informed

This doesn’t bug me in the slightest… Britain tells us that Libya is offering X, Y, and Z… Bush tells them to tell Libya “to stick their offers where the sun shines’.

Piece of scum stays in jail…

But the moment PBHO is in office, Britain informs the US, they’re offered “X, Y, and Z” again, and PBHO says “let him go then”. Heck, even Hillary wouldn’t have been THAT stupid.

DaSaintFan on September 8, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Let us quote Sen. Howard Baker from the Watergate hearings of 1973:

“What did the President know and when did he know it?”

Really Right on September 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM

Our president is a dirty filthy liar by commission and omission. Of course he knew. His very essence is untruth to the maximum…. truth is records; school work; history of grades and the myriad of info that has been requested and NOT disclosed. Dirty Liar..

highninside on September 8, 2009 at 11:44 AM

At that point we’ll give our own Islamo-fascists here in the US three choices – convert to Judaism, convert to Christianity, or get the hell out of the country go to Britain.

CatchAll on September 8, 2009 at 1:58 AM

FIFY :)

atheling on September 8, 2009 at 12:49 PM

This dispicable man, makes me taste bile, on a daily basis.

capejasmine on September 8, 2009 at 12:50 PM

atheling on September 8, 2009 at 12:49 PM

D’OH! My bad. I reckon we could add France, Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands to that list too. What the hell, might as well lump in the entire EU.

I liked what one post said, “Londonistan” and “EUrabia”. It’s descriptive & accurate.

CatchAll on September 8, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Gee, I wonder what will happen when people realise that Glenn Beck’s research on FEMA Camps was conducted on prisonplanet.com.

bileduct on September 7, 2009 at 10:46 AM

That’d be the one that reportedly debunked the existence of FEMA “concentration camps,” right? I don’t know, as I didn’t watch – but then I’m betting you didn’t either, did you now? Thanks for playing though.

Blacksmith on September 8, 2009 at 1:52 PM

This absolutely does it for me.

We have to organize Town Hall or outright demonstrations to stop newspaper trucks and physically down MSNBC et al. or do something to stop all this. Um, within the law, if you are reading this, special agent.

No matter what opinions you hold, left, right or center (unless you are a farleft scumbag machine politic liar) you want the USA to have the truth.

IlikedAUH2O on September 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM

call BS on your smear campaign. Cite your sources or STFU. The Treasury Department has designated terrorist organizations well before 9/11. The Real IRA was first designated as FTO in May 2001.
Terp Mole on September 7, 2009 at 2:47 PM

Terp,
They had done this in 1998
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/15/newsid_2496000/2496009.st<
The U.S government gave visa’s to known I.R.A terrorists to fund raise.Then this happened.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/30003.html

Victims of Kaddafi’s IRA proxy army are not suing America.]
oesn’t even try to keep up with British IRA victim case.[Hint

TThat is being debated here ,keep up.There has always been seething resentment about this.

Rep. Peter King–for years, the congressman was alinged with “one of the most violent terrorist groups in recent European history”–the IRA

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/member-87856-attention-politicians.html

The politician once called the IRA “the legitimate voice of occupied Ireland,” he was banned from the BBC by British censors for his pro-IRA views, and he refused to denounce the IRA when one of its mortar bombs killed nine Northern Irish police officers. But Mr. King is now one of America’s most outspoken foes of terrorism.

He forged links with leaders of the IRA and Sinn Fein in Ireland, and in America he hooked up with Irish Northern Aid, known as Noraid, a New York based group that the American, British, and Irish governments often accused of funneling guns and money to the IRA.

He spoke regularly at Noraid protests and became close to the group’s publicity director, the Bronx lawyer Martin Galvin, a figure reviled by the British.

Much of the conventional weaponry and a great deal of the money necessary for IRA violence came from Irish-American sympathizers. Mr. King’s advocacy of the IRA’s cause encouraged that flow and earned him the deep-seated hostility of the British and Irish governments

During his visits to Ireland, Mr. King would often stay with well-known leaders of the IRA, and he socialized in IRA drinking haunts.

At one of such clubs, the Felons, membership was limited to IRA veterans who had served time in jail.

Mr. King would almost certainly have been red-flagged by British intelligence as a result, but the experience gave him plenty of material for the three novels he subsequently wrote featuring the IRA.

mags on September 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM

As someone in the U.K, I was just wondering why people believe any U.S President should be consulted and have influence over another country’s political and legal law decision’s.

mags on September 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM

My guess would be the same reason we would inform the Brits if we were going to release some terrorist prisoners and put them in Bermuda. It’s more like a common courtesy than a “mother may I”.

My guess is the Brits have learned a lesson in dealing with our new President, he’s not a George Bush who, despite what you may have thought, wasn’t duplicitous. In Clinton and Obama, you have a couple of pros at doing CYA and, with our suck-up press, you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone calling them on it.

bflat879 on September 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM

This is Husseins apology again! And just think Billary is involved. I wonder what her husband thinks of all of this!

BigMike252 on September 8, 2009 at 3:54 PM

Hey Atheling – I reckon Mags didn’t like our history lesson.
If the UK’s history books are as bad as their teeth, it’s no wonder they are a bunch of ignorant dumbasses, doomed to repeat history’s mistakes over & over again.

Gordon Brown is already shaping up nicely to be the 21st Century’s Neville Chamberlain, the all-time king of appeasement.

CatchAll on September 9, 2009 at 9:34 AM

From mags link: “The first proposition is hopelessly naive and betrays a shocking ignorance of the origins and history of the IRA, whose bedfellows and allies in its near century-long trail of blood have included Imperial Germany, Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, East Germany, the Soviet Union, Castro’s Cuba, Basque terrorists, the PLO, and Gadhafi’s Libya.”

Here we see the evidence that mags “betrays a shocking ignorance” (shocking!) of the real fiends in the IRA narrative… but UK idiotarians just can’t resist that inbred, smug, hate-America reflex.

Now cite your source for your (alleged) UK “debate” about suing America for IRA atrocities. Because the only “seething resentment” appears to be in your imagination. Put up or STFU.

And take your Haldol, mags.

Terp Mole on September 9, 2009 at 11:02 AM

Citing mags’ link: …the British government withdrew [extradition] requests for Brennan and other participants of the 1983 Maze prison break as a part of the Belfast Agreement. The agreement normalized relations between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom.

Clearly mags needs to start spitting all that “seething resentment” at the UK government.

/see also, psychological projection

Terp Mole on September 9, 2009 at 11:14 AM

Sorry, when the Brits are publicly insisting there was no deal, no BRITISH decision, no discussion by the Royal Family, the Prime Minister or the Cabinet, it was a Scots do the whole way…to suddenly “learn” the Americans wanted it, is awfully convenient.

Chris_Balsz on September 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM

mags drooled: “TThat [suing America] is being debated here ,keep up.There has always been seething resentment about this.”

… and that “seething resentment” comes from none other than… Libya!

Sue Irish in US, says Libyan minister

IRISH-AMERICANS should be sued for giving money to the IRA since the 1970s if Libya is to face demands for tens of millions worth of damages for sending Semtex and weaponry a decade later, a senior Libyan minister said last night.

Abdulati Alobidi, Libya’s minister for European affairs, ruled out any possibility that Libya will make an out-of-court settlement with the families of IRA bomb victims suing for compensation.

Here we learn the foul troll “mags” is just a mouthpiece for Kaddafi– who hopes to avoid responsibility for the mass murder campaign of his IRA proxy army.

/sowers of discord

Terp Mole on September 9, 2009 at 12:02 PM

BREAKING: Kaddafi appeasement blowback;

Soldiers ‘could mutiny over PM’s Libyan stance’

PRIME Minister Gordon Brown was warned that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan had threatened to down arms over his refusal to back IRA victims’ battle for compensation from Libya, previously unseen documents have revealed.

Mr Brown, who despite offering on Sunday to help victims travel to Libya next month, has steadfastly refused to call on the Libyans to compensate them, was warned by Lord Brennan, the eminent London QC, that some British soldiers were so disillusioned by their Government’s stance they could stop fighting.

He told Mr Brown that the soldiers, who are understood to be relatives of IRA victims, were asking why they should fight in the ‘war on terror’ when their Government was refusing to fight for victims of terrorism.

Emboldened by the mutineer’s success in the UK, victims’ families are taking their case to Obama.

Terp Mole on September 9, 2009 at 12:22 PM

CatchAll on September 9, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Mags is one of many NuBrits who don’t know history, and are fed marxist resentment bile. I’ve been reading Brit blogs for years now, and there are plenty like him who are warped in mind and soul.

Gollums.

atheling on September 9, 2009 at 12:33 PM

bflat879 on September 8, 2009 at 3:42 PM

I am just asking what you think Obama could or should of done?

The reason why the reaction to the release here is muted,has to do with the trial.
There has and still is a question over his guilt,honestly the evidence was crap.

Jim Swire who lost his daughter and represents the families
here(U.K),has been campaining for a full inquiry for years.

Megrahi’s appeal against conviction was due to be heard soon,after his release he dropped this.

If it had gone ahead it would of included things like this.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6797773.ece
http://www.lockerbietruth.com/

Calling for sanction’s and boycott’s of U.K for dealing with terrorists that killed American’s,has caused a backlash
due to the hypocrisy.
The relationship has never been that ‘special’.
Posters here seem unaware of America’s funding and political support for the I.R.A who were blowing up women and children

mags on September 9, 2009 at 1:01 PM

The relationship has never been that ’special’.
mags on September 9, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Mags – the only thing “special” about you is that you obviously rode to school on the short bus. STFU, you sodding manky troll.

CatchAll on September 9, 2009 at 2:35 PM

mags whined: “Megrahi’s appeal against conviction was due to be heard soon,after his release he dropped this. If it had gone ahead it would of included things like this.

Here we see mags rehashing the refried bile of Lockerbie Troofer conspiracists. All folks need to understand is posted in the comments thread of mags’ cited source;

Please, read the evidence against Libya, and the lack of a shred of evidence against Iran. Most people thought it was Iran and the PFLP-GC, and there was a lot of memos looking into that possibility, but it was disproved. Conclusively. Anyone still beating that drum, including Mr. Baer, is being wilfully ignorant.
Frank Duggan, President
Victims of Pan Am Flight 103

Mr Duggan’s post says it all. He is the president of the LARGEST victims’ families group.

mags remains a “willfully ignorant” troll

Terp Mole on September 9, 2009 at 3:59 PM

mags sneered: “Calling for sanction’s and boycott’s of U.K for dealing with terrorists that killed American’s, has caused a backlash

It certainly has “caused a blacklash“… just not in the way Kaddafi (or his toady, mags) had hoped.

Soldiers ‘could mutiny over PM’s Libyan stance’

PRIME Minister Gordon Brown was warned that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan had threatened to down arms over his refusal to back IRA victims’ battle for compensation from Libya, previously unseen documents have revealed.

Mr Brown, who despite offering on Sunday to help victims travel to Libya next month, has steadfastly refused to call on the Libyans to compensate them, was warned by Lord Brennan, the eminent London QC, that some British soldiers were so disillusioned by their Government’s stance they could stop fighting.

He told Mr Brown that the soldiers, who are understood to be relatives of IRA victims, were asking why they should fight in the ‘war on terror’ when their Government was refusing to fight for victims of terrorism.

Emboldened by the UK soldier mutineer’s victory over Brown’s terrorism appeasement stance, IRA victims’ families are now taking their case against Kaddafi to Obama.

[Your weak propaganda lies have been exposed, mags. Better find something new before your Libyan masters back home pull out the genital clips on your Megarha tribesmen. (peek-a-boo, I see you)]

Terp Mole on September 9, 2009 at 4:12 PM

mags spat: Posters here seem unaware of America’s funding and political support for the I.R.A

Just as America does NOT fund or support Hezbollah (though jihadists and Leftists in America certainly do), America did NOT fund or support the IRA as a state sponsor. IRA was the state policy of mags’ Libyan master, Kaddafi.

/you’ve been exposed… now sod-off, you miserable wanker

Terp Mole on September 9, 2009 at 4:36 PM

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