An end to fringe mainstreaming?

posted at 12:29 pm on September 6, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

For every action, there will be an equal and opposite reaction — except in politics, where the reaction usually outstrips the action.  With the resignation of Van Jones for his 9/11 Truther flirtations (his version) or outright advocacy (which the evidence indicates) and the humiliation of the traditional media deliberately leaving themselves and their consumers behind the New Media on the story, the reaction will come, but not soon.  Instead, we can expect the media to hold Republicans to the standards the conservative punditry imposed on Van Jones, and to be a lot more aggressive about it than they were with Jones himself.

What exactly does that mean?  In the next Republican administration, we can expect a great deal of scrutiny for Presidential advisers.  For one thing, it means that no one who ever expressed public support for Birthers to get the benefit of the doubt.  The two conspiracy theories are different, but they both are entirely speculative and imagine dark conspiracies at the highest orbits of power, and neither have any actual direct evidence for support.  Anyone who signed a Birther petition can expect to get bypassed for political appointments in a Republican White House with a halfway-decent vetting team, strictly on the basis of politics, in the wake of Jones’ resignation.

The media and the leftward parts of the New Media will get to work in the meantime on advisers and staffers of Republicans in Congress, and in the New Media itself.  They will use the Van Jones Standard to launch attacks on high-profile conservatives, looking for everything from John Birch Society membership to militias and Birtherism as well.  They have done this all along, but the Left and the media will find much more enthusiasm for these efforts in order to trade Van Jones’ scalp for one or more on the Right.

To some extent, this isn’t a bad trend.  The nation could improve with a little more disavowing of conspiracy theorists and political extremists, although they tend to degrade into very damaging witch hunts more often than not.  However, with the Democrats in charge of all the electoral organs of the federal government and the amateurish vetting at the White House, conservatives will have a much more target-rich environment than the Left for at least the next year.

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Truthers & birthers – No comparison.. Seeking One’s b.certificate never euals killing 3000 Americans.

Anita on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I don’t see a problem in this…

… the light of day is always good.

But if it comes to political hacks in the media just making noise,

… just point out the difference between Van Jones and Scooter Libby.

Seven Percent Solution on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Maybe, just maybe, we could hope the future media to me scrutinioius of ALL public figures, their backgrounds, and biz dealings. Maybe we could hope legitimate journalists as opposed to advocates and cheerleaders in the news rooms. Maybe we could get a little self-examination and introspection from the lilting MSM today?

Ah, I was just foolin’……….never happen.

JoeinTX on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

It really wasnt about truther, there were so much more they dug up about Van. Obama needed to cut it off .

the_nile on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

In the next Republican administration, we can expect a great deal of scrutiny for Presidential advisers.

Like Congressional review and oversight….Okay!

29Victor on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

How is that standard different from any other GOP WH. They had always been strictly vetted. The Democrats have always used the tactics of personal destruction to shoot down nominess. Do you recall Bork? Or the senator from the south that was rejected in Bush 43 because he had some objectionable issues with women?

RAH on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Ed, we do indeed have “a much more target-rich environment than the Left for at least the next year.” Which begs the questions: Where does it go from here? Does the Congressional GOP take up the task? Or is it left to the new media to do so? In either case, who’s next?

I would think that Jarrett is a prime target, but at the same time, so indispensable to the WH that they will try to protect her at all costs.

DrStock on September 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Didn’t they really already give this treatment to Sarah Palin?

bitsy on September 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

35% of democrats believe 9/11 was an inside job, 26% are not sure

Democrats are radicals and unhinged. To keep fringe politics out of the mainstream, we need to vote against all democrats. Down the line.

These radical conspiracy theorists cannot continue to run our country.

jhffmn on September 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Fine we don’t want communist republicans either.

xler8bmw on September 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

This scrutiny would be good, but you know if a Van Jones were in a Bush White House, there would be wall to wall news coverage.But it’s easy to say “look at the people around Obama,” and try to mark him with the same radical brush. But in order to make it stick, we will need what we had with good ol’ Van, video tape of him with his own words. We just have wacked out friends like Van, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, we need a video of Obama’s own words. Don’t tell me it’s not out there.

Tasha on September 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

So next time Palin run for office , they make things up ?…

the_nile on September 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Yep, in the meantime expect MSNBC and other liberal organs to turn up the heat on Beck and Limbaugh.

Again.

Even higher.

Yes, it’ll be funny watching a lunatic like Olbermann denounce harsh rhetoric but that won’t go noticed by the MSM.

Media Matters will be going into overdrive in the coming weeks. Get out your checkbook Mr. Soros.

SteveMG on September 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Well let me expand like Snowe, Collins, Specter.

xler8bmw on September 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

Makes you miss Joe McArthy.
For the kids in the crowd he and Wilber Mills were equal to if not better at boozing it than tk.Wilber could only wade,but the press did disapprove of his girlfriend.I think they did not like her un WASPIsh sounding name.Somebody find the tape of Judge Welch shutting McArthy down and see if this would work on the weazel or chuckie the schmuck.

Col.John Wm. Reed on September 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM

a much more target-rich environment

True, but the MSM have nukes & we have handguns.

itsnotaboutme on September 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

So next time Palin run for office , they make things up ?…

the_nile on September 6, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Yeah, like we’ve never ever been there before…

ddrintn on September 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

I fully expect them to lie

Sugarbuzz on September 6, 2009 at 12:39 PM

As (most) of our folks taught us growing up, and reinforced repeatedly, people will judge you by the company you keep. Not only true for you and me in everyday life, but true of our leaders. All of them.

JamesLee on September 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM

As long as there IS a next administration, I’ll be happier no matter what the media does.

Daggett on September 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM

How do you know it was a ‘vetting’ mistake? Am I missing something here? The WH cleared this guy while, we can assume, the Secret Service waived every flag it had. The mainstream press didn’t care about this guy. The mistake was underestimating the right-wing press and blogosphere.

solidaction on September 6, 2009 at 12:40 PM

And don’t forget Kerry’s 180!
He’s been promising that for the past 7 years!

TexasJew on September 6, 2009 at 12:41 PM

If they can’t find anything, they can just use Microsoft Word to forge some national gaurd memos. Fake but accurate, baby!

bitsy on September 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Given what we KNOW about Obama already, do you really think it is all that nutty to think he is hiding something in regard to his birth, particularly when he will not produce the original documents? I am not even saying that he wasn’t born in Hawaii, but clearly there is something those documents would reveal that he wants kept under wraps.

He could have ended this long ago by just producing the documents, something Americans have to do every day for the most mundane reasons. Verification of citizenship to serve in the highest office in the land is not an unreasonable request. This guy has been overly secretive about his past and has been caught in numerous lies about it, it is HIS ACTIONS that keep the doubt alive.

echosyst on September 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Seriously, anything that comes from anyone at Huffpo is not likely to be something conservitives want to accept as legitimate. This jerk can mnake an anti0Palin story out of anything, and has. Just knowing that he hates Palin gives me hope for her future. I he liked her I’d be concerned.

MikeA on September 6, 2009 at 12:42 PM

The next guy has to be “sterility drugs in the water” quack.

Orange Doorhinge on September 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

There is no way to compare birthers with truthers. All Obama has to do is trot out his original birth certificate and it all goes away. With truthers, no amount of evidence will convince them that the United States was not complicit in the slaughter of American lives.

TXMomof3 on September 6, 2009 at 12:44 PM

Ever sice Bork we have seen just the type of double standard from the media the author seems to think will be the new reality…I see no change at all…Unlike the left, we do not simply make up criticism, and we know our story line will not be reported…How many times did the old media cover the Van Jones story? About zip….

JIMV on September 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM

I fail to understand the continual sniping at so-called “birthers” by mainstream conservatives. Is it a way to maintain their places in the unreal world of polite political discussion? An unwillingness to hold the opposition’s feet to the fire unless all the “bigs” — your Hannitys, Malkins, Limbaughs, et. al. — are in lockstep agreement?

It so happens that the Constitution mandates requirements for anyone who wants to be President. Simple ones, really. When it appeared that Osama Obama might not meet those requirements and, moreover, was no more forthcoming about settling this issue than he was about addressing some of the major black holes in his life story, some people were concerned.

Hell, even John McCain had the issue of his birth outside the U.S.A. scrutinized, and his campaign addressed the issue directly. But not the Chicago Jesus; oh, no, he is above such petty details as honesty.

For the vast majority of those Ed (and AP, and many others) laughingly term “birthers,” simple proof — a long-form birth certificate, just like the ones we all have to provide for driver’s licenses, passports, etc. — would end all questions.

Since that has not (yet) been produced I, a “birther,” have to believe that Ed, AP, Michelle and the rest of the conservative “establishment,” agree that the Child-President should be allowed to see himself as above the law.

That’s disappointing when it comes from people who claim to believe in importance of law and responsibility.

MrScribbler on September 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I don’t see how you can compair being a truther a being a birther.

One believes that the government killed 3,000 people to start a war and another believes that to become President you should have to show the same documents that you would have to show to get a driver’s license.

Rbastid on September 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Truthers & birthers – No comparison.. Seeking One’s b.certificate never euals killing 3000 Americans.

Anita on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I think the two are very similar myself. The Truthers would have us believe that our Federal government is SO disciplined and competent to plan and coordinate the 9/11 events and keep such a thing a secret while the Birthers would have us believe that there is a dark cabal behind President Obama that is just as disciplined and competent so as to scrub the records of both US immigration records as well as Kenyan birth records.

Sorry but there is no such thing as a large organization that can keep a secret such as either of those.

As to the post itself, I agree with Ed. The progressive left is going to use this against any conservative appointment to, as Ed put it, trade scalps for Mr. Jones. I’m not too sure I’m opposed to such a thing. I would actually support public Senate Confirmation for any advisor to the President. Obviously, we can’t stop a President from calling his college buddies for their thoughts on a given topic but if they want an office in the West Wing then they should first sit in front of a Senate Committee and explain to everyone why they belonged to the Apathetic Lemmings Society or whatever skulduggery they were once involved with.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Don’t forget roughly 1 in 7 Republicans are truthers as well. Ask Jerome Corsi.

crr6 on September 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I’m not a “birther” personally but I agree with many others here…equating birthers and truthers is a bit beyond the pale.

DarkKnight3565 on September 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Ed…

They did this for the last 8 years. Then, when they got their guy elected (and they did) they cover his back and ignore any improprieties…

Or have you forgotten that it was a little known, backwater website named the Drudge Report that exposed the story on Clinton’s lying to a court about Lewinsky while the media happily turned a blind eye?

Or have you forgotten that in the last two years of Clinton’s presidency the leftists went on the attack starting Moveon.org to “moveon” about talking about Clinton and get back to the “real issues” of instigating a leftist policy? I see that moveon.org was all ready to “moveon” from personal attacks on Clinton.

Or that the Clinton’s co-founded MediaMatters.org… another leftist attack site that was just an attack dog against Republicans and conservative ideology for the past 8 years?

No Ed… they started the fight. But by God… we’re going to finish it.

Skywise on September 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Anita on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

its not a comparison of what they believe

its a comparison of behavior

blatantblue on September 6, 2009 at 12:50 PM

Don’t forget roughly 1 in 7 Republicans are truthers as well. Ask Jerome Corsi.

crr6 on September 6, 2009 at 12:48 PM

And when you measure that against a majority of democrats who either believe our former president killed Americans to start a war or are uncertain…

Wait why are we talking about birthers? There are truthers in the white house. We should be grabbing pitch forks and torches right now.

jhffmn on September 6, 2009 at 12:51 PM

This story, like the Dan Rather story that came before it, says more about the new media than anything else. If it were up to the MSM, we’d never know what a nutter Van Jones is. The end might be near for mainstreaming fringe people (I surely hope so), but it’s only because the paper trails are more permanent and accessible. I’ve said all along that Obama’s only real problems are Fox News, talk radio, and the blogosphere. Will he change his ways, quit elevating whackjobs to powerful positions, or will he try to deal with his “problem” that people can access the truth about these nutjobs in other ways? Only time will tell.

Rational Thought on September 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Leftists in wacademia are already honing the craft by smearing Sarah Palin;

Kent State: Rise of the radical right

…Because of an atmosphere created by the Republicans seeking a comeback and certain conservative thinkers in the media, many people are actually under the impression that Barack Obama has set out to destroy this nation. They are convinced he is a communist-Nazi-jihadist whose main goal is to kill our constitution and our freedoms.

Of course, it doesn’t help when you have Sarah Palin making up things like “death panels.”

Death panels? What death panels? Oh, those death panels

Terp Mole on September 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM

I would think that Jarrett is a prime target, but at the same time, so indispensable to the WH that they will try to protect her at all costs.

DrStock on September 6, 2009 at 12:36 PM
I thought the same thing earlier but if we don’t tackle Mark Loyd the FCC czar it will be difficult to get any conservative message out.

fourdeucer on September 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Well said, Ed.

Although, it’s technically not a fair comparison, because trutherism pervades both sides of the political spectrum. Alex Jones and most of his ilk are kooks, but can hardly be called leftists. Birtherism is solely right-wing. Then again, with folks like Jerome Corsi pushing the birther theory, we find the movement is not that far displaced from the truthers in membership.

MadisonConservative on September 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM

Have to disagree with you here Ed, the press has given a pass to everyone one in the 0bama administration, they have been complicit in ignoring the associations and connections of the radical nature of the friends and associates of 0bama. The end run around congressional oversight by the proliferation of czars is a larger concern.
The press has had no problem making up or blowing up out of proportion any action or activity of conservative or republican. George Allen was hounded out of the race for senate for saying the word “macaca” a word that in his experience and family was not offensive.
There has always been a double standard when it comes to democrats and republicans. The additional scrutiny won’t be any different.
As far as birthers, just start calling them document seekers – 0bama has released no documents about his history, is it because he wasn’t born in Hawaii? No, it is because he is hiding something; his real name, his crappy grades, his funding from unsavory sources? Who knows, but the mainstream press doesn’t care, he is their candidate and they need to protect him.

Skeptic on September 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM

The media and the leftward parts of the New Media will get to work in the meantime on advisers and staffers of Republicans in Congress, and in the New Media itself.

I suppose they could kick it up a notch but this has been the status quo for years.

The easy solution for the push back? Just continue to ask Dems why it is acceptable to be a current or ex communist member/sympathizer in their party and not a leaning Nazi. The Nazis killed 6-8 million Jews for political purposes while the communists killed well over 100 million also for political purposes. Castro their leading heart throb, especially amongst the Black caucus, is among the leading per capita butchers of the 20th century, again all for political purposes.

I say lets have this discussion. Lets pin Obama, Pelosi, Newsom, Freidman, etc down on this. Why do they find mass murdering communists/ideology acceptable even if they supposedly don’t subscribe to it.

patrick neid on September 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM

while the Birthers would have us believe that there is a dark cabal behind President Obama that is just as disciplined and competent so as to scrub the records of both US immigration records as well as Kenyan birth records.

I don’t believe any such things.

I do believe it extremely odd, though, that the President of the United States will not do anything to present a copy of his original birth certificate to the public.

Nothing more and nothing less.

Shy Guy on September 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM

The next guy has to be “sterility drugs in the water” quack.

Orange Doorhinge on September 6, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I disagree. The next target MUST be Mark Lloyd, Chief Diversity Officer at the FCC. This is the guy who can single handedly change how we all share information.

Both Lloyd and Jones come from Podesta’s Center for American Progress. It’s about track record with the mother. Both of these guys hold VERY radical philosophies so the question becomes does CAP support those radical notions and if so, should ANYONE from CAP be seriously considered for Whitehouse appointments. Republicans did this with a group who supported them back in the day, the John Birch Society.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM

no one who ever expressed public support for Birthers to get the benefit of the doubt. The two conspiracy theories are different

With all due respect Ed, it is getting just a little tiresome to see this represented as a conspiracy. There is nothing irrational about insisting on BHO’s compliance with accepted and legal standards of disclosure. Someone who has trumpeted the openness and transparency of his administration should release all relevant documents. The One’s obstinate refusal to release a complete birth certificate, school records, passport information, college transcripts, scholarly works and legal papers is a slap in the face to all of us who voluntarily produce all of that and more to comply wih legal requirements. Birther conspiracy-NO. Insistence on equal compliance with accepted disclosure standards, the US Constitution and Rule of Law-YES (IMHO, naturally). Inquiring minds want to know what Barry is hiding. The “why” will be evident.

indypat on September 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM

As a local conservative radio host suggests, it’s not that Obama was born outside the U.S. It’s that his race may be written on his birth certificate as “White”.

A lifetime spent trying to get street cred cannot be thrown away due to a White woman’s light-skinned baby…born in Hawaii, with lots of light brown babies around…being listed as White by hospital administrators.

Interesting theory.

jamie gumm on September 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Shy Guy on September 6, 2009 at 12:53 PM

The short form is just as official.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM

Sooo…Ed you are suggesting that the left is going to have its very own mccarthy moment……Pass the popcorn

unseen on September 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Cap’n Ed,
While it may be used as a pretext for a witch hunt, I couldn’t disagree more about Van Jones…

I believe what finished him moreso than any trooooofer! association was his vile racist ideology, avowed communism, and radical associations and history. I think the trooofer! revalations were simply icing on the cake…

Regards

RocketmanBob on September 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM

I think the two are very similar myself.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 12:46 PM

And you could not be more mistaken…

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 12:57 PM

With the resignation of Van Jones for his 9/11 Truther flirtations (his version) or outright advocacy (which the evidence indicates) and the humiliation of the traditional media deliberately leaving themselves and their consumers behind the New Media on the story, the reaction will come, but not soon.

You’re letting the media frame the discussion. Jones is a communist and black nationalist using a power position of unaccountability to spend 30 billion dollars in ways that we can’t trace. His involvement with trutherism offers a cheap out. Don’t let them do it.

a capella on September 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM

The short form is just as official.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 12:55 PM

No it’s not..

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM

If the media tries to say,

“He’s a kook who wants to see Obama’s Birth Certificate!”

The people will respond with,

“Hey, I want to see it, too!”

TMK on September 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM

How about claiming that ACORN is a corrupt organization? Or that the Obama Administration is full of corrupt operatives a la the Chicago street-thug style.

Are all the people who argue these looney theories going to be on the no-go list, too?

So, what’s a good conspiracy theory, and what’s a bad one? Are there any good ones? Was the Nazi revolution in Germany just a bad dream, cooked up by some conspiracy theorist? Hitler was made Chancellor because he was a good guy in the right place at the right time?

I’m thinking we need to stay alert … but maybe I’m just another kook.

Meanwhile, my kid’s not listening to Herr President Obama Tuesday.

ManUFan on September 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM

No it’s not..

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 12:58 PM

Is too.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM

RocketmanBob on September 6, 2009 at 12:56 PM

Yep.

a capella on September 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Perhaps thats the entire point — they set him up, just to throw him under the bus at the right moment. Was it a gambit to ward off the birther movement? Very interesting timing considering that there is a hearing in Federal Court in Los Angeles on Tuesday, at which time the judge Carter is expected to subpoena evidence/discovery in an Obama birth certificate case.

PaulMorphy on September 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM

And once they root out the birthers, they’ll taste blood and go after affiliates of the American Enterprise Institute, and once they’re gone, they’ll go after anyone with connections to the Hoover Institution, and when they’re gone, they’ll take aim at anyone in any way affiliated with Christianity, and then, sensing they’re on a roll, they’ll go after anyone affiliated with any so-called tax-cut coalition…

So let’s start off all apologetic and scared and see where that gets us.

jeff_from_mpls on September 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I thought the same thing earlier but if we don’t tackle Mark Loyd the FCC czar it will be difficult to get any conservative message out.

fourdeucer on September 6, 2009 at 12:52 PM

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa639.pdf

There has already been SC decisions regarding some of the things Lloyd is trying to do and can’t do.

xler8bmw on September 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM

Funny,

But this jibes completely with Charles Johnson’s stated goals. But he’d ban you for saying it.

Sekhmet on September 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM

How is that standard different from any other GOP WH. They had always been strictly vetted. The Democrats have always used the tactics of personal destruction to shoot down nominess. Do you recall Bork?
RAH on September 6, 2009 at 12:35 PM

I was thinking the same thing….it’s always been this way,where the MSM will strike harder on the GOP for the same thing that a (D) has done in the past….

cmsinaz on September 6, 2009 at 1:03 PM

There has already been SC decisions regarding some of the things Lloyd is trying to do and can’t do.

xler8bmw on September 6, 2009 at 1:01 PM

I never miss the opportunity to trot this quote out…

“and how many brigades does the Supreme Court have?” ;)

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM

What exactly does that mean? In the next Republican administration, we can expect a great deal of scrutiny for Presidential advisers.

And your saying the media did not do this with every Republican administration?

kangjie on September 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM

For one thing, it means that no one who ever expressed public support for Birthers to get the benefit of the doubt. The two conspiracy theories are different, but they both are entirely speculative and imagine dark conspiracies at the highest orbits of power, and neither have any actual direct evidence for support.

There is no comparison between the Truther conspieacy and those who questioned The Precedent’s Constiutional eligibility and want an official body to verify it – along with the fact that only a total moron would argue that the Founders included multiple citizens in the class of natural born citizens. But it was thanks to Vichy jerks like you and allah who tried to make eligibility questions sound like Truther conspiracy theories that have tied the two together. You azzwipes ought to be proud of yourselves. You set out to screw things up – because you are fairly stupid – and now you are pushing it even further. If anything you should beg for forgiveness for being such moronic jerks.

Those of us demanding official verification and pointing out tha t dual citizenship obviates natural born citizen status are correct, while people like allah who claim that the natural born citizen clause is stupid and should be ignored have not a leg to stand on.

Thanks guys, You are great. Morons.

Anyone who signed a Birther petition can expect to get bypassed for political appointments in a Republican White House with a halfway-decent vetting team, strictly on the basis of politics, in the wake of Jones’ resignation.

Ed, you are a fool. But, keep pushing it. You still don’t have a clue.

progressoverpeace on September 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Is there a “Birther” Czar on the horizon?

JoePa for POTUS on September 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Is too.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM

Keep smoking that crack buddy, you’ll be right there with Charles Johnston in no time…

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

Interesting theory.

jamie gumm on September 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM

The better theory is that Frank Davis is the bio daddy. It actually makes more sense than the Birther Theory. Why would Obama release the “Certificate of Live Birth” which is computer generated, with little information, rather than the actual Birth Certificate that has mother and father’s name (or unknown) as well as other items of interest.

Grandma Dunham sure was interested in making sure that Little Barack got lots of face time with “Frank.”

BigAlSouth on September 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I’m not a birther though I wish it were true but, why isn’t this guy required to show his birth cert…and if he did why has it been like pulling teeth?

I don’t like the “two different sets of rules” thing.

That’s why I think he should be forced to.

LtE126 on September 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I’ll settle for college transcripts, college thesis, articles submitted to the Harvard Law Review, and/or a physicians report comparable to the one submitted to the public by Sen. McCain. It that makes me a “Birther” then so be it.

Cindy Munford on September 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I completely disagree with the premise of this thread.

The two conspiracy theories are different, but they both are entirely speculative and imagine dark conspiracies at the highest orbits of power, and neither have any actual direct evidence for support.

One is a conspiracy theory and one is not. Truthers believe that that the U.S. govt. was behind a plot to kill Americans as a pretext for war. It is an idea that would involve dozens if not hundreds of people who have maintained complete secrecy for eight years.

Birthers merely want Obama to show his long form birth certificate which he goes to great lengths to conceal.Obama himself fans the flames of his doubters.No one I know of has ever claimed it to be some plan hatched out in 1961 to put a foreigner in the White House and to suggest that is not based in fact.

I also think that any media source who tries to go after a birther will only put the topic in the forefront again when they rather it just go away.

NeoKong on September 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I’m with you on this, Ed, if you’ll just come up with a different term than “Birther” for those of us out here who want all documentation of his life made public. The birth certificate is just one aspect of an obvious “conspiracy” to hide the truth of Obama’s background, associations, belief system, etc. I think someone here called us “Documenters”.

And please take into account the specific difference between being born a citizen o and being born a natural born citizen. It I’m going to be held accountable for my sin, I want it known specifically what that sin was.

gopmom on September 6, 2009 at 1:07 PM

I just wish someone would ask Obama on camera, “What did you know about Van Jones, and when did you know it?”

Or pose the question to Gibbs, but broaden it, “What did the WH know about Van Jones, and when did they know it?”

Make them squirm.

Fishoutofwater on September 6, 2009 at 1:08 PM

I don’t like the “two different sets of rules” thing.

That’s why I think he should be forced to.

LtE126 on September 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

And that is in fact the genuine crux of the “Birther” argument, welcome to the Birther movement.

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM

If the Democrats have to get rid of all their fringe people, about half of them would be gone, including almost all of the leadership in Congress.

zmdavid on September 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM

And…”Cindy Munford” is 100% right.
I’d also like to see what he registered as when it comes to nationality and if he got in using affirmative action.

LtE126 on September 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Keep smoking that crack buddy, you’ll be right there with Charles Johnston in no time…

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

heheh…I stopped reading LGF a long time ago.

I’ll bite tho…I’ll take whatever links you got towards this discussion as to the viability of the Hawaii shortform BC versus longform BC.

I will say that we demanded to see Kerry’s full military record and wouldn’t simply accept his DD214. I’m not sure the two demands are all that similar however.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Instead, we can expect the media to hold Republicans to the standards the conservative punditry imposed on Van Jones, and to be a lot more aggressive about it than they were with Jones himself.

They do that now, look at Rather and his old producer if they can’t find it, they make it up. There is nothing new under the sun when it comes to smears. It always comes down to people’s wallets. Look at the unemployment rate and the economy “It’s the Economy Stupid” or “Ask yourselves are you better off then you were 4 years ago”

Obama has lost his appeal because being trendy in electing a green pol who has a background in questionable community organizing, turned out to be more expensive than folks bargained for. That and they finally figured out he is way too the very far fringe left, and a politician will lie to get elected. Of course the part about politicians lying to get elected isn’t new either GRIN.

Dr Evil on September 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 12:54 PM

I agree we need to start hammering on Lloyd, DO NOT let the dust settle on the Jones affair. Go after him fast and furious, as he will try to shut down the blogisphere (right side only), talk radio, Fox and we’ve seen the rapidity which this bunch can try to act.

Chewy the Lab on September 6, 2009 at 1:10 PM

This is about a little more than being a Truther. The NEWZEAL blog in Why did President Obama choose a communist-Van Jones to be his “Green Jobs Czar”? contains a full description of Van Jones troublesome background. A small portion is included below:

“Seven years ago Van Jones was a San Francisco hardcore Alinskyite street communist. After hooking up with the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, Democratic Socialists of America, former ’60s Maoists, Weather Underground supporters and Demos he managed to land a job in the White House.

Twenty two years ago Barack Obama was a Chicago Alinskyite “community organiser”. After hooking up with the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, Democratic Socialists of America, former ’60s Maoists, Weather Underground supporters and Demos he managed to land a job in the White House.”

davod on September 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I’ll settle for college transcripts, college thesis, articles submitted to the Harvard Law Review, and/or a physicians report comparable to the one submitted to the public by Sen. McCain. It that makes me a “Birther” then so be it.

Cindy Munford on September 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

I am right there with you Cindy. They can call us what they want.

TXMomof3 on September 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM

Cindy Munford on September 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM

Cindy, Don’t you think need to demand, starting today, that we be called “Documenters”. We don’t want to be confused with anyone else. We are just simply asking for quid pro quo. We cannot allow ourselves to be marginalized.

Who came up with the term Birther? Truther? Just media attempts to divert attention with a catchy phrase. Wouldn’t surprise me if there phrases were born on Madison Ave.

Van Jones is the perfect example of why our point is valid. How many examples might be out there of Obama saying the same or similar things about the nation?

gopmom on September 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM

I don’t know. .I was told in some blog that I was a birther, even though I don’t subscribe the the wild stories about some sort of strange collusion that has this baby boy born, and now years later he is the President.. they all sort of just lied to get him to be that, I do wonder what on earth is the issue for any of these democrats that they won’t just release their documents. That’s the part I don’t get. It isn’t just Obama’s Birth certificate but all of his sealed documents, or the same with John Kerry.

Just release the documents.

The Van Jones episode would only be the tip of the Iceberg if we actually had an honest mainstream Media. The questions I see above are correct; What did Obama know and when did he know it. But none of them will ask, so all of this will just remain in the land of strange.

Noelie on September 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM

There will always be mudslinging and political smearing at the end of the day Americans who vote and that isn’t everybody who can vote. Make their decisions based on the kitchen table. I still can’t believe Collin Powell went on TV and said Americans want more Government in their lives – really we want to be taxed to death. What’s he smokin?

Dr Evil on September 6, 2009 at 1:12 PM

“And that is in fact the genuine crux of the “Birther” argument, welcome to the Birther movement.

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM”

Well, I guess I’m one. Funny, I don’t feel too ashamed to admit that.

And if that makes me not as smart as the rest of you, I’m OK with that too.

LtE126 on September 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM

And this would be different from what they always do how? Business as usual, but now we the people are fighting back. There’s a handful of Republicans standing up on this deal, but far too many saying zilch. You cannot play nice and reach across the aisle – you will get nowhere. And as soon as we get rid of the communists (and let’s call them what they are) in the white house, let’s go after the MSM. Let’s email and call them on their omission and dishonesty in reporting this and any other negative for the president, and let them know we are coming for them next!

silvernana on September 6, 2009 at 1:13 PM

I think we are missing the larger point. I know that the MSM has repeatedly tried to attack anyone using “communism” or “socialism” as silly and ridiculous as “birthers” and “global warming deniers” all as one big silly ignorant group of right wing fanatics.
Every time that someone argues philosophy, i.e. socialism or communism, the MSM brings in the other phrases or words to eliminate the dialogue by trying to make them one and the same.
We need to argue philosophy using history accurately and unapologetically. And most importantly, constitutionally.

JeffinOrlando on September 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Jarrett.

JiangxiDad on September 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Keep smoking that crack buddy, you’ll be right there with Charles Johnston in no time…

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 1:05 PM

In re; Van Jones whining

6 Charles
Sun, Sep 6, 2009 9:50:21am replyquote 6downupreport

They did use lies against him. He’s right about that.

There were plenty of genuine reasons to criticize him, but it was a smear and a distortion that really pulled him down.

And his readers gave him 6 updings in 10 posts!
LOL!!!!

VegasRick on September 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM

I am not a Birther. I just one full document disclosure. All of it, birth from College.

Holger on September 6, 2009 at 1:15 PM

heheh…I stopped reading LGF a long time ago.

I’ll bite tho…I’ll take whatever links you got towards this discussion as to the viability of the Hawaii shortform BC versus longform BC.

I will say that we demanded to see Kerry’s full military record and wouldn’t simply accept his DD214. I’m not sure the two demands are all that similar however.

Pilgrim on September 6, 2009 at 1:09 PM

Go read this link, then this link, then come back…

doriangrey on September 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM

Wouldn’t it be great if the media could start that necessary scrutiny with this president’s advisers?

Nahhhh that’s for the other side…er republicans.

jukin on September 6, 2009 at 1:17 PM

So you’re saying that we should shut up and let this scumbag in chief put communists and fascists in appointed and unaccountable positions (czars) because republicans in the future might be held to the same standards we’re imposing on the leftists in office?

I hope the same standards ARE demanded and upheld. I don’t want scumbag corrupt republicans in office any more than I want scumbag corrupt liberals in office.

If you are also saying that republican candidates cannot withstand the scrutiny because of corrupt dealings or misstatements they’ve had in the past, then this whole exercise is fruitless isn’t it. We need honest America loving people in office, not communists like Van Jones. There is a distinct difference between liberals complaining about honest politicians to smear them and calling out an America hating, race war inciting communist.

If you’re afraid of the difference, either you’re going to have some bad ulcers in the next few years or we as a nation are totally screwed.

Spiritk9 on September 6, 2009 at 1:18 PM

Ed, even the friggin’ HuffPo understands the Van Jones situation better than you do – and that is while they were trying to defend the communist moron:

Jones never denied his past affiliation with the radical left. In the ’90s, he was involved with the group Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), which sympathized with Maoist-inspired peasant movements throughout the world and was organized to protest police brutality.

[ ... ]

Jones, however, left radical politics and made the decision to work within the system, rather than try to overthrow it. For Beck, however, Jones’ past statements were evidence that Obama is secretly marshaling a cadre of lieutenants pushing an agenda that is “radical, revolutionary and in some cases Marxist.”

The HuffPo understands what killed Jones, even as they attempted to defend him, but you are here trying to smear those who want COnstitutional eligibility to be resepected and followed. What is wrong with you people?

progressoverpeace on September 6, 2009 at 1:18 PM

The straight-up corruption of the Democrats bothers me more than their fringe beliefs. Our system of government has enough checks and balances to keep us safe from leaders with odd beliefs, what it can’t protect us from is those who refuse to follow the rules and are allowed to continue in office (see all the tax cheats, etc.).

zmdavid on September 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM

The MSM can do whatever it wants; it has lost a lot of its influence by hitching its star to Obama and most Americans will simply ignore it. By 2012, they will still be around, but Fox News, blogs and talk radio will be the media that Americans will trust.

yogi41 on September 6, 2009 at 1:19 PM

VegasRick on September 6, 2009 at 1:14 PM

And gets even better…..

Charles
Sun, Sep 6, 2009 9:56:14am replyquote 1downupreport

Van Jones is incredibly respected among environmentalists. I know you hate him, but that’s just a fact.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

Knucklehead on September 6, 2009 at 1:20 PM

Anyone who signed a Birther petition can expect to get bypassed for political appointments in a Republican White House with a halfway-decent vetting team, strictly on the basis of politics, in the wake of Jones’ resignation.

So after the next Republican gets elected, people will start to give creedance to the Buggy Whip Media?

HA, FN, etc, just got this Jones clown tossed overboard with NO help from the Buggy Whip Media. Or haven’t you noticed?

Akzed on September 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Ed: An end to fringe mainstreaming?

It would be wonderful if this were true, but I really doubt it. Theories about nefarious plots to conceal the truth about an important person or historic event have been around for at least 100 years, and my guess is a lot longer, like as far back as people had suspicions about one another and shared gossip. And given the way contemporary culture is so politically polarized, some of these theories will always get a lot of attention.

Loxodonta on September 6, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Van Jones Hitler is incredibly respected among National Socialists. I know you hate him, but that’s just a fact.

Fixed to explain how repugnant the original statement is to my senses.

Holger on September 6, 2009 at 1:22 PM

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