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Ouch, Sir. I find this offensive for you.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 1:15 AM
I must say, regardless of all this insignificant arguing, this video is a spectular little quip. It says what we all mean, it says it confidently and with respect. Let’s be honest, this country has never known famine. It’s never known true hardship, because we’ve always had not only fertile land, but people willing to stand up and help. People who were never FORCED to help. But people who knew that their success was a blessing, and wanted to help others because of it. Unfortunately, it seem that success is now a crime, while need, on the other hand, is a moral virtue. It’s funny, America is supposed to be the place where you can come and rise, where you can work hard, no matter who you are or where you come from, and be a success. But be careful, if you are too succesful, well, we are going to go ahead and take it, and give it to people who aren’t. After all, success is a crime, right? Other people need it more, right? Screw life liberty and property. You will keep what I tell you you can keep. You can work hard? Well, others can’t, they need help. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
walnut on September 6, 2009 at 1:16 AM
Trolls? You mean people like “Bleeds Blue”? Haven’t come across him in awhile. However, I’m sure he’s still out there.
He isn’t too dumb. AnninCA only shows up when the topic is health-care reform, she’s got some babble, and for some strange reason, always endorsing the feds involvement, as if it will cure her personal woes. She’s hot on the subject.
SimpleSimon is easily quashed, as is Hottieinthehouse, unless they’ve both been banned. I don’t know who’s left any more.
Oh yeah, Dave Drywall still lurks about. Pops up for no particular reason I can think of. Overall, all trolls, pretty scarce.
betsyz on September 6, 2009 at 1:18 AM
I thought I was Sir. Now, your questions and definition?
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 1:18 AM
BB:
For quick, passing grades~
History 101:
Herodotus begat Procopius (who begat Hegel who begat Nietzsche who begat Spengler who begat Toynbee who begat the Durants who begat Willy Cuppy, where history ends) and a quick study of his “Secret History” should be intriguing enough to create some relevant parallel to a modern regime [cough*hussein*cough], and its attempt to control the details of an acceptible politcial reality.
Counter Terrorism-
The Hashishin (“assassins“) formulated the “modern” historical basis of “terrorism“, and every reponse should be as effective: trace them to their strongholds and burn them to the ground.
Expand and enjoy!
profitsbeard on September 6, 2009 at 1:20 AM
One of the interesting things about our history that most don’t realize, is that England pretty much left the American Colonies alone for the first 150 years. They didn’t make enough to really tax… or really defend… then the economy started to take off as more settlers arrived, and the French were gaining influence…
Suddenly, England got invovled… and sent troops… then decided to tax us to support the troops… then the French responded, and next thing you know its the French/Indian war.
Because of that war, they sent MORE troops, and raised taxes even more… which eventualy led to the Revolution.
Soooo… it could be argued that the American culture, which led to our country, pretty much started with places like Jamestown…
Don’t condone the statement, as its technicly inaccurate… and could have been said better, but change “country” to “culture” and you would be pretty accurate.
Romeo13 on September 6, 2009 at 1:21 AM
Pffft. The fuzz!
Shy Guy on September 6, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Embattled Obama Aide Van Jones Resigns – http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/TNGYL1/A9BGX/PFGJLR/U8PENK/UHC6E/QR/t
Van Jones, special adviser for green jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, resigns following weeks of pressure from the right and a flurry of revelations about his past statements.
For more information, visit washingtonpost.com – http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/TNGYL1/A9BGX/PFGJLR/U8PENK/TT08E/QR/t
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/09/06/van_jones_resigns.html?hpid=topnews
Texyank on September 6, 2009 at 1:25 AM
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 1:25 AM
Oops Sorry O/T
Embattled Obama Aide Van Jones Resigns – http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/TNGYL1/A9BGX/PFGJLR/U8PENK/UHC6E/QR/t
Van Jones, special adviser for green jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, resigns following weeks of pressure from the right and a flurry of revelations about his past statements.
For more information, visit washingtonpost.com – http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/TNGYL1/A9BGX/PFGJLR/U8PENK/TT08E/QR/t
Texyank on September 6, 2009 at 1:26 AM
Bucko, that you would do anything involving me offends me. Go see how long you can hold your head underwater before drowning…and then hold it under 10 minutes longer than that.
MadisonConservative on September 6, 2009 at 1:27 AM
No argument there.
p40tiger on September 6, 2009 at 1:30 AM
sorry Sir. the Sir in reference was you you Sir.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 1:30 AM
Gee, Madison….once again.
TXMomof3 on September 6, 2009 at 1:31 AM
Well, as you have mentioned others have supplied you with historical facts/claims/&c about the Nazi history. There are many quotes where Hitler himself showed disdain towards Christians. He viewed Christianity as something that weakened Christianity. Some have said that Hitler dabbled in the occult. This is up for debate, as far as I know; however, there were many pagan elements to the theories in Nazism.
As far as politics goes, Nazis and their “comrades” in Italy were of the socialist (i.e. leftist) school of thought. They broke from their “communist” (Marxist) brethren to the east. Hitler believed in a middle class revolution whereas the Marxist wanted to have a revolution for the lowest class. Nazism was all about strong centralized government (as were the Italian Fascists); however, unlike the communists, they believed in working with the corporations instead of completely taking them over. This, is far from American Conservatism. At best is may be seen in some European Conservative movements, but the Nazi’s economic and social policies for that matter are far from Goldwater ideals.
As far as liberalism goes, as my understanding goes, Classical Liberalism is nothing like Modern American Liberalism. Classical Liberalism would probably resemble more or less the modern Libertarian movement (of the right – think of the neo-liberal Friedman) whereas Modern American Liberalism resembles the FDR and Wilson Progressive movement (even add Teddy Roosevelt).
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 1:36 AM
you forgot crr6, the Mystery Gender Queen of Trolls
–another One bites the dust: Van Jones goes down
Janos Hunyadi on September 6, 2009 at 1:37 AM
Happy?
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 1:37 AM
No need for the hate fest. Damn, I’ve read this blog for years and have rarely commented. I’m not trying to ruin any parade here. Just asking a question to Sir.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 1:40 AM
disillusioned
Just a thought….perhaps you should figure out what exactly you think a government, a people, law, and even economy should be. It is absolutely more than acceptable to ask questions, as a matter of fact, I think that it is wonderful…but, the answers are not going to be found on a blog site. Reading history, political science, economics, and even philosophy will perhaps give you better answers to the questions you seek. Giving stale arguments to those who are here to discuss, well, that’s not the best way to learn. IF that is truly what you are looking for. No one here is going to give a more defined or complete answer than one you can find for yourself.
walnut on September 6, 2009 at 1:40 AM
In case you are wondering… I’m Sir apparently.
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 1:41 AM
Hitler created a “German Christian Church” to supplant Christianity. The Lutherans were the established Church in most of northern and eastern Germany and Hitler, an Austrian raised as a Catholic, signed a Concordat with the Vatican giving the Catholic Church the status of a state church in the Catholic areas of Germany in Bavaria and the Rhineland.
Meanwhile the SS was creating its own pagan faith out of crackpot theories and Teutonic myths
Janos Hunyadi on September 6, 2009 at 1:42 AM
Thank you. Seems a bit odd. Curious about Goldwater ideals. I’ll say good night with this comment Sir.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 1:44 AM
*Christianity as something that weakened Aryanism (sp?)
Sorry, for the typo… You’re right.
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 1:46 AM
“the conservative mass of the ’60s”?? Are you stoned?
“Liberalism then was kinda like anti-hippy” ??
you’re beyond stoned, man………
Janos Hunyadi on September 6, 2009 at 1:47 AM
Goodnight. I’ve heard The Conscience of a Conservative is a good read. Better get it before I burn it up…
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 1:47 AM
Hooray!
gina4 on September 6, 2009 at 1:49 AM
typo? What typo?
We don’ got no typos.
We don’ got to show you no stinkin’ typos……..
Janos Hunyadi on September 6, 2009 at 1:51 AM
Oh, I said something like Christianity weakens Christianity… well, that just sounds strange.
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 1:53 AM
I must say, that was brilliant. I always trust Joe Friday and Bill Gannon to spot the fascist.
Wolftech on September 6, 2009 at 1:53 AM
Get yourself a copy of Wordweb Pro, and thank me later.
TMK on September 6, 2009 at 1:57 AM
Yes, Sir!
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 1:58 AM
AP is cuddling up to the truth?
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:04 AM
He’s getting over the Lederhosen (sp?) thingy…
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 2:09 AM
Here, take one of these, and call me in the morning. (It’s about 60 years old)
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:10 AM
Hah!!!
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:11 AM
We need you up in headlines ;)
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 2:13 AM
Upstater85, walnut, et al-
I applaud your stamina. Educating Rita, er…, I mean disillusioned, was a riot to read on this thread. As a college prof and former Dem, I can only offer apologies for my colleagues devastatingly inadequate instruction, as evidenced by the “it” student and his/her blather.
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:13 AM
Arguing with trolls like this is futile
But initial contact can be amusing
Useless debating them however, they have no depth from which to debate. You think the statists would send smarter trolls, but then if they were smart, they wouldn’t be statists
AZfederalist on September 6, 2009 at 2:15 AM
I’m not really sure we “educated” anything…
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 2:16 AM
True enough. Nevertheless, I enjoyed the discourse!
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:19 AM
LOL. Sadly, I see these linked pictures everyday sitting on faculty committees.
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:23 AM
Just out of curiosity, what field?
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 2:25 AM
Pheewww!
I just read most of the thread. I need an advil. I applaud you. I haven’t the same patience with booger eaters.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:27 AM
Don’t bother reading some of it… just drivel.
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 2:27 AM
Let me guess…
…journalism and education?
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:27 AM
There would be a lot of Lefties there (*poor AnXDem if it’s true…)
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 2:30 AM
Well based on his caricatures of the faculty commitees, they’re the first to come to mind.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:31 AM
Close, Salty. Business communication, organization and mgnt, and occasionally, journalism.
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:31 AM
What ring of purgatory is that in Leftyworld?
Upstater85 on September 6, 2009 at 2:32 AM
If you would like to broaden you’re knowledge on the Nazis, I would recommend reading the works of Dr John J Ray (M.A.; PH.D). He has written many research papers about the origins of fascism and the Nazi’s leftist ideology as well as leftist churches. You can find some of his work here, here, here, and here
Dollayo on September 6, 2009 at 2:34 AM
Yes, even in the business division, the vast majority are Liberal. Like disillusioned, many of them aren’t aware of political history either.
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:38 AM
Interesting.
It must be
difficultfrustrating, being an educator (and a conservative, I’m assuming) surrounded by loquacious dolts.Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:40 AM
Purgatory, you betcha. Even uttering “betcha” raises eyebrows.
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:40 AM
OT: One Down, 36 more to go
Glenn Beck Rules
Kini on September 6, 2009 at 2:43 AM
Verbosity is a must in academe. After listening to about twenty minutes of prattle, I discern one relevant point. Stupid, but still a point.
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:43 AM
They think I watch Fox news to get their goats.
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:46 AM
I brought this up last night, here.
I was referencing some discussions that I’ve had with people who have risen to the top of their fields, a few were officers in major corporations, whose “conditioning” was apparent when they approached the subjects of politics and history.
I said it shows why they were duped by Soros and Co.
It’s amazing how an otherwise bright person can be so mentally challenged.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:47 AM
oddly enough, there was no debating… just asking a question.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 2:48 AM
There is something here. Perhaps if they lived in the real world, they would get to the point. You know, out here where we’re accountable, and time is money?
It’s nice to know there are folks like you in there.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:51 AM
If you would like to broaden you’re knowledge on the Nazis, I would recommend reading the works of Dr John J Ray (M.A.; PH.D). He has written many research papers about the origins of fascism and the Nazi’s leftist ideology as well as leftist churches. You can find some of his work here, here, here, and here.
Dollayo on September 6, 2009 at 2:52 AM
What did you learn?
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:52 AM
OT:
Jones is GONE.
Mark Lloyd needs to be the next to go.
Let the campaign begin.
Kini on September 6, 2009 at 2:53 AM
Kini on September 6, 2009 at 2:53 AM
You’re on topic. We’re off.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 2:55 AM
I brought this up last night, here.
I was referencing some discussions that I’ve had with people who have risen
Absolutely. Many professionals are what we use to refer to as idiot savants. They know approximately 75% of the info germane to their discipline (which is great), but their knowledge of virtually anything else is negligible.
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 2:55 AM
… and the wheels of the bus go thump thump thump
… over the la-test bump.
From under the rug to under the bus in a few short hours… who saw *that* coming? :-)
RD on September 6, 2009 at 2:57 AM
Getting to the party late in the evening.
Started reading the comments and went to the top.
It’s good news. Nah I say, a hope, a beginning. Of the end.
Kini on September 6, 2009 at 2:58 AM
…and this was the crux of the discussion last night:
A classical liberal arts education has been renounced by the “liberal arts”.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:01 AM
We can’t allow this to fade from his identity, though. Remember, people forget.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:02 AM
to ask a simple question to a commenter, it takes at least four hours of time for a meaningfull reply. unless there is a grammatical error in a posted question. the latter is a pot of gold to some.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 3:03 AM
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 3:03 AM
You’re under 24, I hope.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:05 AM
34, and why
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 3:08 AM
A reminder is coming on the 11th.
I do not want it to be diluted with apathy.
I will remind, remember, and recount
Kini on September 6, 2009 at 3:10 AM
You seem very young.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:11 AM
OMG, Salty. LOL. I can hardly contain myself. I’ll leave you to tangle with disillusioned…
anXdem on September 6, 2009 at 3:11 AM
Because young and stupid is funny “ha-ha.”
Old and stupid is funny “uh-oh.”
TMK on September 6, 2009 at 3:12 AM
I will remind, remember, and recount
Kini on September 6, 2009 at 3:10 AM
Remind, remember, and recount.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:14 AM
young at heart maybe, something I’m not ashamed of.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 3:17 AM
Lemme guess….congressmen?
Limerick on September 6, 2009 at 3:20 AM
You can’t even get a cliche right.
It’s: “I’m young at heart”
Not: “maybe”
And, to follow a cliche up with “something I’m not ashamed of”, reeks of self doubt.
I am young at heart. Practice.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:21 AM
LOL. You are the King of Comedy.
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:23 AM
I am and old fart and not ashamed think lowly of young farts.
Limerick on September 6, 2009 at 3:24 AM
You’re killing me!
I..c…ca….can’t…breath. St..sto…stop it!
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:26 AM
Salty…What a FUd day. Crashed my ‘puter at work. Fixed it, then crashed it again. Got off too late to buy beer. Got home and found the back door into the garage locked and my key on the other side. Woke up the Mrs, got an ear full, stepped on the cat, then click and find two new trolls had already been punched out by HotAirHeads. To top it off I have to be back at work in six hours.
I sure hope there aren’t any trolls in my lane of traffic in the morning.
Limerick on September 6, 2009 at 3:30 AM
I’m not one without self doubt. Cliche my ass. Honest answers may confuse or somewhat disorient commenters here.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 3:33 AM
Obviously.
Limerick on September 6, 2009 at 3:39 AM
Limerick on September 6, 2009 at 3:30 AM
Funny, I had one of those days yesterday. I dubbed Sept. 4 2009 a personal Black Friday.
I’m off to work in the morning myself.
Thought I’d troll patrol for awhile. Not many, and what few I’ve come across have all dressed out under 20 lbs.
I think I’ll just roll it up and catch a little shut eye.
Good night all you mainstream liberty lovers!!!
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:40 AM
ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz……
Saltysam on September 6, 2009 at 3:42 AM
G’nite, Salty….
For the trolls…..tomorrow beware the F-150 in the fast lane tomorrow morning. You’ll know I’m coming by watching for my always on left blinker.
Limerick on September 6, 2009 at 3:45 AM
Meh… typical conservative.
disillusioned on September 6, 2009 at 3:46 AM
Kudos
Kini on September 6, 2009 at 5:15 AM
I love this video, right up to that last line.
Don’t try to build a new country. Make the old one work. It has for over 400 years.
I’m sorry to be picky, but I don’t like that last line. I wish it were clipped. For many, it has to be explained, and any explanation doesn’t really fit. We haven’t been “a country” for over 400 years, not even 250 yet. I understand the We were colonies before the Revolutionary War, and not “a country.” Maybe I’m being too stuck on literal. Sorry.
Other than that, I think this is an extraordinary video, and want well circulated, even if I have to bite my tongue about the last line.
Loxodonta on September 6, 2009 at 5:44 AM
Has anybody thought of an analysis of the minimum wage being raised and its effect of trolls?
Sapwolf on September 6, 2009 at 6:35 AM
is all that need be said.
from tru2tx on September 5, 2009 at 9:49 PM
gopmom on September 6, 2009 at 7:38 AM
Joe the Policeman takes Obama to school.
Kafir on September 6, 2009 at 7:40 AM
Beyond AWESOME!!
NY Conservative on September 6, 2009 at 8:48 AM
I loved it!
becki51758 on September 6, 2009 at 8:56 AM
Two recent articles I’d like to see Joe Friday lecture Obama on next…
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/the_brainwashing_bunch.html
http://www.voncampe.com/monthlyarticles/socialists_within.html
Lockstein13 on September 6, 2009 at 9:01 AM
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