Gallup: Union support lowest … ever

posted at 2:18 pm on September 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

The labor movement has a real public-relations problem, one of their own making, and Gallup quantified it yesterday in a new poll.  Support for unions has dropped below a majority for the first time in the 70 years that Gallup has tracked the question.  Most of the decline has taken place in the last year, and independents have been the key:

Gallup finds organized labor taking a significant image hit in the past year. While 66% of Americans continue to believe unions are beneficial to their own members, a slight majority now say unions hurt the nation’s economy. More broadly, fewer than half of Americans — 48%, an all-time low — approve of labor unions, down from 59% a year ago.

These results are from the 2009 installment of Gallup’s annual Work and Education survey, conducted Aug. 6-9. The 48% of Americans now approving of unions represents the first sub-50% approval since Gallup first asked the question in the 1930s. The previous low was 55%, found in both 1979 and 1981. …

There has been an even larger jump in the percentage saying labor unions mostly hurt the U.S. economy, from 36% in 2006 to 51% today. This is the first time since the question was established in 1997 that more Americans have said unions hurt rather than help the economy. Americans’ general concerns about the current state of the economy could certainly be a factor in these more negative views of unions, in addition to specific perceptions about unions.

At one time in this 72-year history, unions took care to court politicians across the entire political spectrum and keep themselves in the mainstream of political thought.  That has changed over the last twenty years, but it took that long for Americans to realize it.  The union movement has now adopted radical positions on environmentalism, health care, energy, and other issues that sometimes run counter to the economic benefit of their own members — but provide a carbon copy of the hard Left of the Democratic Party.

As a result, unions are no longer just alienating Republicans.  As Gallup points out, independents have now begun rejecting union activism in large numbers.  A year ago, 63% of independents approved of unions, but that number dropped 19 points to 44% today.  In contrast, unions lost 9 points among Republicans (to 29%), and even lost six points among Democrats, dropping from 72% to 66%.  Moderates have begun questioning the labor movement’s goals and tactics.

Perhaps the most dramatic difference comes in the question asked for the last twelve years: do unions help or hurt the national economy?  In  2006, 53% believed unions helped, and only 36% thought they hurt.  In three years, that has reversed itself.  A thin majority of 51% believe unions hurt the overall economy, while only 39% still believe they benefit it.  That perception, especially in a deep recession, will drive disapproval for a long, long time, even without the rank politicization of the union movement.

But don’t discount that affect, either.  Unions have shown up as enforcers for ObamaCare in town-hall forums, causing disruptions and creating violence.  While that may or may not intimidate ObamaCare opponents into silence — so far, it’s been remarkably unsuccessful — it will reinforce the negative connotations of labor in the minds of Americans.  Pushing to end the secret ballot in workplace organizing elections makes them look even more thuggish and radical, as well as greedy and grasping.  Plus their lockstep identification with the Democratic Party as the latter spins downward in approval doesn’t help matters.

The worst of the problem could very well be the bailouts of the last year.  The Bush administration started them, but the Obama administration expanded them and conducted highly questionable interventions for unions in automaker bankruptcy proceedings.  The ObamaCare proposal in the House has another $10 billion bailout for union pension and medical plan funds in it.  These increasingly look like payoffs from an administration desperate for ground troops in policy battles they’re losing by the hour.  That won’t improve the image of unions, and explains at least part of the reason why people think unions hurt the economy.

The current crop of union leadership, especially Andy Stern at the SEIU, will only exacerbate the problem, which is already rapidly deteriorating for Big Labor.  Can the rank-and-file rise up and give these political hacks the boot, or will they remain powerless as their leaders create an utter collapse of the union movement in America?

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America is waking up.

WisCon on September 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM

b…bb..but they represent the common man… the worker… don’t they?!

ted c on September 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM

deep down in the SEIU-wer…

moonbatkiller on September 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM

2010 will be a bloodbath for the Democratic Party. Bank on it.

Yakko77 on September 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM

I’m such a fence sitter here. I’m an NDEA member for the unity I need to deal with administrators as a teacher.
They have too much power in deciding whether I’m fit or not & they have NO accountability to us-only the school board.
But as an NDEA I am forced into membership in the NEA-an organization I despise.
So while I support NDEA, I do not support NEA.
I definitely need to bring this up.

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM

b…bb..but they represent the common man… the worker… don’t they?!

ted c on September 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Only when they’re not beating unemployed black men.

Fighton03 on September 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM

I know union members who have become anti-union.

forest on September 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Free t-shirts and ready made protest signs just don’t cut it.

Fletch54 on September 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Only when they’re not beating unemployed black men.

Fighton03 on September 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM

it was justified because Ken Gladney “attacked America”…
//sarc//

I hope those toolbags get charged with a hate crime for beating him up.

ted c on September 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM

and independents have been the key:

These squishy people are a bit late to the party… but don’t worry, they’ll be looking for the union label when the winds shift again.

mankai on September 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Let’s hope this continues.

Barry will not only kill the Dems but he will kill the unions before he gets a chance to ruin the country.

Bravo, moonbats, bra-vo!

reaganaut on September 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM

Card Check, baby! That’ll turn it around!

Bat Chain Puller on September 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM

America is waking up.

WisCon on September 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM

A year too late, I’m afraid.

Del Dolemonte on September 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM

This isn’t anything a few goon squads of SEIU rejects can’t punch some citizen in the face over “fix.”

Good Lt on September 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM

What, you don’t garner support and friend by going out to townhalls and attacking people?

I thought that’s how they did it in Chicago.

Enoxo on September 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM

This isn’t anything a few goon squads of SEIU rejects can’t punch some citizen in the face over “fix.”

Good Lt on September 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM

But now we’ve learned how to bite off fingers.

Fighton03 on September 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM

Illegal bailouts, multibillion dollar payoffs, card check, SEIU thugs assaulting citizens at townhall meetings, exemptions from Obamacare. Gee, what’s not to love?

Doughboy on September 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I was a union member once, and they didn’t do me a damn bit of good! >:O They’re all shills to the government, looking out for the bottom line instead of protecting hard working laborers! Screw unions and screw the government!

*collapses from lack of breath* Whew!

Orange Doorhinge on September 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM

They have too much power in deciding whether I’m fit or not & they have NO accountability to us-only the school board.

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM

How does this differ from every other worker in the country?

My bosses aren’t answerable to me. They are answerable to their bosses. And their bosses are answerable to the board of directors. And the board of directors is answerable to the owners.

Which is how it should be.

In your case, the adminstrators should not be answerable to you. They are answerable to the school board, who is answerable to your companies owners. The voters.

MarkTheGreat on September 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Yakko77 on September 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM

I pray that you are right. I also pray that we get some fiscal conservatives running for office.

PappaMac on September 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM

I don’t believe that unions are really representing their members. Just looking at the UAW retreats for the upper members tells you that the money is not being spent for the betterment of the average member.

TXMomof3 on September 4, 2009 at 2:32 PM

Sheik Barack al-Husseini ibn Obooba had better get the FCC working on the ClampDown soon, or he’s gonna lose control of this thing befrore he knows it.

Akzed on September 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

While the decline in support for unions is welcome news, I’m surprised that Gallup didn’t ask people whether they favored or opposed the Card Check bill.

This isn’t anything a few goon squads of SEIU rejects can’t punch some citizen in the face over “fix.”

Good Lt on September 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM

A sudden increase in the incidence of broken arms and orally amputated pinkies will increase the demand for government-sponsored health care. The ends justify the means.

Steve Z on September 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Huh? Really?

I am shocked.

I thought showing up and cracking skulls at health care rallies was a great PR strategy.

Silly me.

Joe Caps on September 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM

Sheik Barack al-Husseini ibn Obooba had better get the FCC working on the ClampDown soon, or he’s gonna lose control of this thing befrore he knows it.

Akzed on September 4, 2009 at 2:33 PM

Diversity Czar Mark Lloyd is nezt.

thomasaur on September 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Unions have long ago outlived their intended purpose (what ever that was).

docdave on September 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

The internet shut down bill passes whey barry drops to his core 25% moonbat strong support.

Fighton03 on September 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

The UAW through political donations has secured a better federally funded retirement than my wife will get after 20 years active duty.

What’s not to love?

sven10077 on September 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I pray that you are right. I also pray that we get some fiscal conservatives running for office.

PappaMac on September 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM

I’ve just about gotten to the point I’m certain the Dems are going to get hit hard in 2010 but it’s a matter of who they’re replaced by. More of the same old problems or will we finally get some new blood with new (or should I say old) ideas and actually follow the Constitution.

Yakko77 on September 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM

I used to be a union member, in my younger days. Worked for a major freight carrier. The “union rep” worked right next to me and was a thug punk himself. I didn’t understand the whole union thing, joined anyway, but never needed representation–just threw my dues down the payhole for those guys.

ted c on September 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Unions have long ago outlived their intended purpose (what ever that was).

docdave on September 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM

Being a loyal stone and knife in FDR’s pocket…

sven10077 on September 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Unions can be incredible when they stay out of politics, and work with management to support their workers. I was in the pipefitter’s union for several years, and as far as unions go they were fairly non-political. They took very good care of the members and worked very closely with management to balance pay with profitibility.

When unions become political they can be disasterous, and most often the leaders are unconcerned with their members, and are just entities to further the goals of long term leadership. The UAW ceased being concerned about their members long ago.

Rode Werk on September 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Sometimes (very often) I think O’s tunnel vision blinds him from the obvious: That he is in the union’s pocket. Of course his ignorance in well learned and ingrained and he likes it that way.

Bad move by America to vote this fool in.

meMC on September 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Sometimes (very often) I think O’s tunnel vision blinds him from the obvious great vacation he could be having: That he is in the union’s pocket. Of course his ignorance in well learned and ingrained and he likes it that way.

Bad move by America to vote this fool in.

meMC on September 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

FIFY

ted c on September 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM

I just went thru union negotiations with our union…. SEIU.

They ended up rejecting the contract after they verbally agreed. They wanted more money.

We told them to sign the contract “as is” or pack their tools and leave the premises. They caved when we told them we could replace them within a week, without a union.

These guys have no idea where their union dues are even going and don’t seem in the least bit interested.

Knucklehead on September 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Teachers’ unions all set to celebrate Labor Day by making total asses of themselves.

whitetop on September 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Kathy Keith has cared for a son with Down syndrome for 23 years and never dreamed that one day organized labor would consider her a prime candidate for a union card.

So she was skeptical when representatives from two of the nation’s largest unions began competing for her attention over the last few weeks with unannounced visits to her home, mailings and phone messages promising to fatten her state stipend.

The Bartlett resident is among about 3,000 people who receive state funding to assist someone at home with a developmental disability. As a result of an executive order signed by Gov. Pat Quinn in June that allows collective bargaining by “individual providers of home-based support services,” unions are now trying to sign them up in an unusual effort to boost membership.

The move has left some care providers angry and confused. Many are mothers, fathers or close relatives who are caring for loved ones, advocates say.

“Are you saying I can go on strike and not wipe my son’s rear end?” Keith said, questioning if union membership would pit her interests against her son’s.

Soon, she and others expect to receive ballots by mail that ask them to join the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) or the Service Employees International Union(SEIU). Or they may vote against representation.

An election date has not been scheduled, but union officials say they have met the requirement for a minimum level of interest and are awaiting state approval.

Caregivers who vote against joining a union or don’t vote at all would get to choose whether to become members if SEIU or AFSCME receives the most votes, but even if they decline to join, they will have to pay “fair share” dues, according to union representatives.

From Michelle’s site.

Wethal on September 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM

thanks tec c

meMC on September 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM

Can the rank-and-file rise up and give these political hacks the boot, or will they remain powerless as their leaders create an utter collapse

Were we talking unions or democrats? ;)

AnotherOpinion on September 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM

Unions are totally obsolete. Early in the 20th century, their formation was truly a matter of life & death due to the almost complete industrial nature of our economy. Today, unions are nothing more than legal mafia shakedown groups that enrich their leaders and further a political cause. The general rank and file (about 12% of the U.S. workforce) are clueless followers.

HomeoftheBrave on September 4, 2009 at 2:42 PM

They are a monolith that slows down productivity.

tomas on September 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

They have too much power in deciding whether I’m fit or not & they have NO accountability to us-only the school board.

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Welcome to the real world, How the hell do you think the private sector works? Sorry, I forgot, you are a teacher and have no idea, that is why our children come home stupid. Is you school board elected by your BOSS (the taxpayers)?

Wade on September 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

When word leaks out that goonion members like to eat their pinky meat raw, ultra tofu lefties might take the poll numbers down even further.

Western_Civ on September 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Bwaaahhhh. The Green Czar is unsustainable.

Too Rich.

Independents are jumpin ship. The Teamsters have become hamsters.

Barry is a miserable failure.

Geochelone on September 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM

Knucklehead on September 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Good for you, well, sorta good for you. I would have tossed them and relpaced them, no second chances viz: Ronald Reagan

Wade on September 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM

They ended up rejecting the contract after they verbally agreed. They wanted more money.

We told them to sign the contract “as is” or pack their tools and leave the premises. They caved when we told them we could replace them within a week, without a union.
Knucklehead on September 4, 2009 at 2:39 PM

Should have rejected their acceptance of your offer and re-hired without a union. That, though, would probably result in the government interdiction on the unions behalf.

Unions have a right to exists. Companies should have equal right to say “you’re fired.”

WashJeff on September 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM

America is waking up.

WisCon on September 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM

Or rolling over to get a more comfortable sleeping position.

spmat on September 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I am sure that the growing awareness of generous benefits that public employee union members receive at taxpayer expense has something to do with this drop in support.

Mark1971 on September 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Should have rejected their acceptance of your offer and re-hired without a union. That, though, would probably result in the government interdiction on the unions behalf.

Unions have a right to exists. Companies should have equal right to say “you’re fired.”

WashJeff on September 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM

We weren’t sure how we could do that and me, being the president of the board, couldn’t find an answer. Our lawyers sided with the union (oh yeah, the law firm is going to be kicked to the curb next week)

If we tossed them out, wouldn’t the union have been here protesting or something like that?

I was going to post an OT last week looking for help, but figured I’d get no answers. These guys are all making about $30 bucks an hour for simple maintenance work. Add in the healthcare, tool allowances, uniform allowances, gas allowances, and these guys a making a bundle.

And to ask for more money in the economy was just beyond belief.

Knucklehead on September 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM

I am sure that the growing awareness of generous benefits that public employee union members receive at taxpayer expense has something to do with this drop in support.

Mark1971 on September 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM

I would be curious what percentage of unions get paid directly by a government entity or the company of their employ performs government contracts. Put in another way, what percentage of unions members benefit by the growth in size of government?

WashJeff on September 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM

I was going to post an OT last week looking for help, but figured I’d get no answers. These guys are all making about $30 bucks an hour for simple maintenance work. Add in the healthcare, tool allowances, uniform allowances, gas allowances, and these guys a making a bundle.

And to ask for more money in the economy was just beyond belief.

Knucklehead on September 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM

WOW! If you (union members) do not like the job and its pay, go get a different job!

All non-union\non-government employees just want to keep working. *facepalm*

WashJeff on September 4, 2009 at 3:05 PM

I’m disgusted with them, with their tactics, with the Dem’s tactics in calling them out and hiding behind them during the healthcare debate.. THUGS

reshas1 on September 4, 2009 at 3:11 PM

They took very good care of the members and worked very closely with management to balance pay with profitibility.

Rode Werk on September 4, 2009 at 2:38 PM

Management in non-union companies does this as well.
You don’t need the union.

MarkTheGreat on September 4, 2009 at 3:13 PM

but even if they decline to join, they will have to pay “fair share” dues, according to union representatives.

Which is why unions, especially govt unions, are at best a scam.

MarkTheGreat on September 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM

The common man doesn’t make $70-80 per hour in wages and compensation.

la.rt.wngr on September 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM

Put in another way, what percentage of unions members benefit by the growth in size of government?

WashJeff on September 4, 2009

Well, the government worker unions would be the biggest beneficiaries of course.

Feb. 2009 via StoptheACLU.com
Union Gain Heavy Among Government Workers

The union membership rate for public sector workers (36.8 percent) was substantially higher than the rate for private industry workers (7.6 percent). Within the public sector, local government workers had the highest union membership rate, 42.2 percent. This group includes many workers in several heavily unionized occupations, such as teachers, police officers, and fire fighters.

Public sector unions are a greater threat, IMHO, because they are literally voting themselves an ever greater share of public wealth and more government intervention. At a some point in this awful trend it will be impossible to correct a metastasizing government because of public sector unions that are able and willing to throw dues (aka your tax dollars) against all candidates who threaten to cut government. The UK has already reached this point.

This upcoming Congressional election is quite possible one of the most important ones in a long time. If we don’t get enough candidates into office who are dedicated to reduce the reach of the Fed., it may be the point of no return.

It is my sole issue now. Any candidate that wants my vote must demonstrate a commitment to cut government.

chimney sweep on September 4, 2009 at 3:26 PM

I was a member of the teachers union in MA for about 3 years right out of college. I will never again support or join any union ever again. The students and quality of education were never one of the priorities. Now when I see things like to auto industry in the US having problems I know exactly where the problem started. The goal is always achieving mediocrity but with exceptional pay and benefits.
Pound sand unions.

Jussi on September 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM

It is my sole issue now. Any candidate that wants my vote must demonstrate a commitment to cut government.

chimney sweep on September 4, 2009 at 3:26 PM

For my state and local elections, it is a commitment to end defined benefit retirement plans and move all government employees to defined contribution plans. No politician, IMHO, is serious about fixing a budget if they are willing to retain the current public pension system.

WashJeff on September 4, 2009 at 3:29 PM

I had a feeling this would happen when the LAUSD said no to the teacher’s union mafia.
Good times are a comin’…come 2010.

FontanaConservative on September 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM

The unions have been given billions of dollars of bail out and porkulus money. Even with their lower numbers, that’s gotta make the fight much easier for them. It’s all Chicago politics and corruption and our President is the ring-leader (or at least the ring-leader’s puppet).

Christian Conservative on September 4, 2009 at 3:43 PM

How’s that card check working for you, Barry?

Better idea, let’s outlaw unions in essential public services (incl. police, firemen, teachers) and apply anti-trust law to the remainder.

Let’s provide that federal employees suspend their voting in federal elections for the duration of their federal employment.

petefrt on September 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM

I’m sure the labor unions blocking all those “shovel ready” “green” projects from beginning construction isn’t doing much for their public image in California…

Blackmail;”Green Mail”: Solar Power Companies Blocked For Not Using Unions

racecar05 on September 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM

I thought unions sucked before thinking unions sucked was cool.

NoDonkey on September 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM

Karma!

Buy Danish on September 4, 2009 at 4:09 PM

Violent, corrupt, political shills, selfish and willing to pay mobsters to do their dirty work. Unions are awful. The fact that teachers, public and federal employees are in a union is one reason that taxes are through the roof.

Hening on September 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM

Union leaders support environmentalist/energy legislation that will put their union members out of work.

The union leaders oppose secret votes. Union rank and file fear losing their secret ballot for votes other than just organization efforts. As the Steelworkers at my plant say, “If you want a unanimous vote, make it a voice vote or a hands-up vote. If you want to know what people really think, make it a secret ballot.”

The union leaders back politicians who oppose gun ownership. Rank and file union members support gun ownership.
ETC. ETC. ETC.

Conservativs need to exploit this split between the union rank and file and their leaders over their support for leftwing politicians.

KW64 on September 4, 2009 at 4:12 PM

The number of union workers is going down in most areas. One notable exception: GOVERNMENT.

bw222 on September 4, 2009 at 4:26 PM

MarkTheGreat on September 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM

Huh. So an administrator who has no degree in science can come into my classroom & judge my performance in teaching science?
Unfortunately that does not happen in public schools.
The REAL reason I’m a union member, though it sticks in my craw, is bcs it is basically my ‘malpractice’ insurance.
The fact that a school can dump me in the ditch when a parent sues me is reason enough. I can be sued at the drop of a hat & that is why I am a union member-for the lawyers.
A catch 22 if I ever saw one.

Sorry, I forgot, you are a teacher and have no idea, that is why our children come home stupid. Is you school board elected by your BOSS (the taxpayers)?

Wade on September 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

I rarely spew vitriol, but here I digress:
WTF is up with you, you POS?
You have absolutely NO idea what kind of teacher I am. My school board is made up of the only few individuals who run for the office bcs the rest of the community is too cowardly to take a leadership stand & run for school board positions.
I teach in a community of less than 1000 people. The lack of leadership here is astounding. I am only a union member for the legal protection it affords me in case a POS parent, like yourself perhaps, decides to sue me bcs their child went home & lied about me doing something inappropriate. I’m not going to leave myself that vulnerable.
As for reality-I am not your typical teacher you moron.
You have no right to judge my personal experience.
I teach my science students the critical thinking skills they need in this world today.
And I often catch hell for it bcs people whine I make science ‘too hard’.
Walk a mile in my shoes before you start judging me so damned harshly you rotton POS.

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM

And BTW-I am somewhat of my own boss in part bcs I pay land taxes in the county I work in.
I vote for school board members.
Is it my fault the community has nothing to offer for leadership skills?
If I weren’t a teacher here, I’d run myself.

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 4:40 PM

Wade on September 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

And for the record- I hate public education.
But if I can put my 2 cents in & help make it better at least somewhere-then that’s a good thing.
I’m still amazed you feel you have the right to judge mine (or anyone else’s) experience in the work place- I am a teacher after doing other things first.
I have experienced the real world before public education.

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM

President Obama is becoming an anchor. If Democrats begin to realize this it’s going to be a very interesting election year.

29Victor on September 4, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Your union, and profession speak ill of you, no matter how good your actually performance.

Is there a low preventing your running for a position on the school board?

Slowburn on September 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM

Look for the union label when picking up a handy six pack of town hall crashing union goons. Cheap & don’t eat much, just an occasional finger sandwich.

Jeff from WI on September 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I miss the old days, when Union Thugs were the tools of the Mafia and even though we can’t find Jimmy Hoffa, we can be confident that he won’t be applying for an American Express Card any time soon.

GunRunner on September 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM

Is there a low preventing your running for a position on the school board?

Slowburn on September 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM

I cannot serve if I’m an employee. And in a town <1000, It’d be suicide to do so.
Have you ever lived in a small rural area?
You do need the general good will of your neighbors to survive, financially & sometimes physically.
Our school board president is a teacher. She teaches in a school 70 miles away.
I know she would love to have a job in the school here bcs they have a farm here.
My union & profession may paint me as bad- but being a teacher & a NDEA member does not make the individual bad.
And that is a shame there are people who would judge me so.
I am making differences.
I am a conservative teacher. Perhaps a rarity, but we do exist. And my students know it. I also think they really appreciate it.
If conservatives avoid professions like this, just homeschool or stick their kids in private school, they are doing nothing to help the problem that public education is.
Some may mock my profession here at HA, but I AM making a difference.
I am balancing out my liberal co-workers by taking a public stand on liberal views.
That alone makes students stand up & take notice.

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM

As someone with family members working in the public sector I can still, and perhaps even more convinced now that I do have family in the public sector, that public employee unions ought to be out right banned. Their self interest OFTEN, if not always, runs counter to the interests of the tax payers and the general public at large. They are feeding at the trough of government funding, and then, by force of union mandate, taking some of that TAXPAYER supplied money and using it to lobby AGAINST the tax payers, against ANY lowering in taxes or changes in government that would make government more efficient and cost effective. Public Employee unions never saw a tax on the private sector they didn’t love, and didn’t think shouldn’t actually be higher than the proposed rate.

Unions are also one of the biggest offenders, not helpers, in the demise of our education system. It’s for the children is actually code for “gimmee gimmee gimmee”.

flyfishingdad on September 4, 2009 at 5:24 PM

We need an edit function….for when our finger hits the post button too fast

flyfishingdad on September 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM

Teamsters Local 988 in Houston. A huge joke of an enterprise. I got tricked (swindled, lied to, scammed) into joining that club about 25 years ago. I was so mad about it I became active. Basically the union voted for lower wages for new hires if current members would go along and take a one time pay raise. About fours years ago they made news by not hiring local union labor to build their new hall. They actually defended their use of illegal immigrant labor on the basis that union wages were not competitive with the local economy. That my friends was priceless. The SEIU is taking over Houston right now. If the Teamsters are that weak these new poofters don’t have a chance. Right to work is a good thing.

DanMan on September 4, 2009 at 5:42 PM

I would think the Chrysler/GM takeover were the first time that many Americans ever saw the actions of union. I’m sure many believed unions were simply trying to provide a better life for there members but never heard of the periphery nonsense involving unions.

Throw in the SEIU actions and Americans are seeing the light.

jack herman on September 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 5:01 PM

I was saying that you should not take all said against you personally. And a simple yes would have sufficed.

Slowburn on September 4, 2009 at 5:59 PM

I know union members who have become anti-union.

forest on September 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM

Count me among those numbers.

TBinSTL on September 4, 2009 at 6:08 PM

My sister found out the way to get rid of the union at her company. Have the employees write out a check to the union every paycheck for their union dues. After they found out that it was the cost of a new pair of shoes, it only took a couple of pay periods and they decided they didn’t want to pay. Six months later, the union decided they didn’t want to represent them anymore, because they weren’t sending in their dues. It’s all about the money!

flytier on September 4, 2009 at 7:42 PM

flytier on September 4, 2009 at 7:42 PM

There’s a front-loaded version of that: A refusal by management to agree to a dues check-off in the first collective bargaining agreement. At impasse, the newly-minted union then has the unattractive choice of i)calling for a strike vote almost before the ink is dry on the NLRB’s certification or ii)caving on that term and affirmatively collecting dues from its new members outside the company’s payroll, much as your example suggests.

Barnestormer on September 4, 2009 at 8:04 PM

Despite the fact that Orwell’s “Animal Farm” was about government, that parable applies equally well to unions. Initially the pigs were on the side of the other animals, as time went on, however, it came to the point one could no longer tell the difference between the pigs and humans. Same with unions, particularly UAW and teamsters, it’s hard to tell a difference between a CEO and a union president.

AZfederalist on September 4, 2009 at 10:08 PM

The Unions have shown
That they are my enemy.
Of course I oppose.

Haiku Guy on September 4, 2009 at 10:37 PM

I live and let live,
Until they come after me.
Then all bets are off.

Haiku Guy on September 4, 2009 at 10:38 PM

This is great news! If unions do not own popular support, then they will not own political support.

The silver lining inside this turd administration is awakening of a sleeping population that is being to figure out that their informed vote does make a difference, to the detriment of Democrats everywhere. (I’m no fun of Republicans either, but they aren’t Democrats. Can we please get some new Republicans, or at least a linking of the GOP to a real plan for winding down big government.)

exdeadhead on September 5, 2009 at 12:21 AM

The free toil for their’s,
The enslaved see cash on trees.
Free your minds ye slaves.

exdeadhead on September 5, 2009 at 12:33 AM

I’m such a fence sitter here. I’m an NDEA member for the unity I need to deal with administrators as a teacher.
They have too much power in deciding whether I’m fit or not & they have NO accountability to us-only the school board.
But as an NDEA I am forced into membership in the NEA-an organization I despise.
So while I support NDEA, I do not support NEA.
I definitely need to bring this up.

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM

As a fellow teacher, I totally understand. You need protection against administrators, but the “unions” really don’t represent your views. Ask your union reps about how much money from your dues go toward political activism. In a union I have been in, I could request no political usage of my fees. They had to follow my request due to the members being able to ask for acountability. Many members have done this and the union even set up a political PAC(?) so if you wanted to donate money, you could without others feeling like they had to.

I also do not like the idea of being charged a “negotiating fee” for the contract. Their take is…”Well we do the negotiating of the contract, so if you work here, you should have to pay us a fee for doing it.” (usually the fees of the actual membership in the union, except for the national organizations’ fee) What a bunch of crap…

pennjazz on September 5, 2009 at 3:53 AM

I know union members who have become anti-union.

forest on September 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM

There many in the teacher’s unions (NEA & AFT) that feel this way. If you could get the benefits without all of the BS, Many teachers would switch in a heartbeat.

pennjazz on September 5, 2009 at 3:56 AM

Welcome to the real world, How the hell do you think the private sector works? Sorry, I forgot, you are a teacher and have no idea, that is why our children come home stupid. Is you school board elected by your BOSS (the taxpayers)?

Wade on September 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM

Sure, complain about the schools…Many problems are due to electing idiots that have no business being a part of education at times to school boards and government red tape that takes up more time than actually teaching students. But that’s right…blame the teachers…
You would be surprised the number of times that school boards and administrations try to screw over teachers. Is there any wonder why teachers join the unions? Yes there are bad teachers out there, just like there are bad workers in any other field…Unions or not, some of these people never are accountable.
Yeah, I’m a teacher. I’m proud of that fact, and right now, I’m not in a union, but I may have to be to CYA. Just like a doctor carries malpractice insurance just in case, many teachers are in the unions for the same reason. You may never need it, but you never know what’s out there.

pennjazz on September 5, 2009 at 4:10 AM

I rarely spew vitriol, but here I digress:

Badger40 on September 4, 2009 at 4:39 PM

Man, I stand and applaud that…

pennjazz on September 5, 2009 at 4:14 AM

If unions were actually working FOR their members, they would have to be deaf, blind, and among the least effective organizations on the planet. Let’s see what the unions have gotten so far from supporting Obama and his leftist cult:

1. Jobs gained since Obama took office? NONE: Instead, at least 250,000 jobs per month have been lost!!

2. Jobs gained as the result of the Stimulus? NONE: Instead, all segments of the economy continue to decline…and layoffs continue to raise unemployment above a 21+ year high.

3. Jobs gained as a result of the illegal government takeover of the auto industry? NONE. Instead, tens of thousands more auto industry jobs were LOST and factories, dealerships, and feeder plants continue to CLOSE.

4. Jobs gained as a result of “Cash for Clunkers”? NONE. Instead, dealerships which are starved for cash due to government incompetence are laying off workers and closing operations. Plants which were temporarily helped are now laying off more workers. Feeder plants continue to CLOSE.

5. Wage gains as a result of cozying up to Obama? NONE: Instead, wage cuts and benefit give-backs are the normal result of new negotiations.

No wonder that, for most Americans, unions have become more of a problem than a solution. Wads of cash from the corruption surrounding the auto industry takeover have disappeared: none of it has reached the union membership.

landlines on September 5, 2009 at 12:03 PM

I am so pissed at unions and the favored treatment that the government(democrats) is giving them that I will not support any union shop. Now go to Whole Foods and Sam’s Club for food. Will not buy a union produced vehicle ever again. Will actively campaign for right to work in my state as well as charter schools we need to competition in education. Minimize my use of the post office even though the alternative costs me more. Will not use hospitals whose staff are unionized Register my cars by computer hope that the dmv reduces the number of employees.

NOBOZONS on September 5, 2009 at 7:09 PM

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