Did Cass Sunstein propose taking organs against people’s will?
posted at 1:38 pm on September 4, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
The latest in health-care worries comes from CNS News, which reports that a close adviser to Barack Obama proposed removing organs from people “without explicit consent.” The truth in this case is more complicated than the headline, and is worth discussing in terms of organ donation and the presumptions of American medicine. Sunstein was not offering a radical notion, but one firmly in the mainstream of organ-donation reform:
Cass Sunstein, President Barack Obama’s nominee to head the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), has advocated a policy under which the government would “presume” someone has consented to having his or her organs removed for transplantation into someone else when they die unless that person has explicitly indicated that his or her organs should not be taken.
Under such a policy, hospitals would harvest organs from people who never gave permission for this to be done.
Outlined in the 2008 book “Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness,” Sunstein and co-author Richard H. Thaler argued that the main reason that more people do not donate their organs is because they are required to choose donation.
Currently, the US medical system presumes that people opt out of organ donation at death unless they explicitly opt into it, through drivers-license designation, living will, or other clear-cut evidence. However, not all countries share this paradigm. Spain, for instance, has a “presumed consent” law that allows organ harvesting at death in absence of evidence otherwise. Some people estimate that we could double the amount of kidneys and other transplantable organs by adopting a presumed-consent law in the US.
This is hardly a radical concept, but it also is not a good solution to the problem. At the moment, the US transplants over 7,000 cadaver-donation kidneys every year. Doubling that would take us to maybe 15,000, which would be a boon for those who receive the kidneys. However, we currently have over 250,000 people on dialysis, all paid by Medicare, and we add many more than we transplant each year. The current 5-7 year wait for cadaver transplants makes the plight plain, and also shows that even a presumed-consent law will not really do much than trim the wait time — although there is no denying the value of the extra kidneys that would become available.
Dr. Sally Satel has written extensively on these issues, and earlier this year edited a collection of essays on a better solution: compensating kidney donors for live transplants. In the book When Altruism Isn’t Enough, Satel explains the limitations of cadaver donations and the need for a much stronger supply of live kidneys. For many, the idea of compensating people for donating kidneys would be much more radical than a presumed-consent law, but Satel makes a compelling case on public policy, fiscal concerns, and humanitarian and medical grounds.
Update: Glenn Reynolds invokes Monty Python. I know I’m not supposed to like this clip, but I just can’t help myself.










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ObamaCare= All for the good of the country.
shick on September 4, 2009 at 2:19 PM
The tax cheats, truthers, organ robbers, union thugs, abortionist, commie loving, snarky, bully, slum landlords, anti-free speech, creeps have been invited to 1600 Pensylvania Avenue.
Change sucks.
TN Mom on September 4, 2009 at 2:20 PM
For Sale: Big heart, broken only once, healed nicely make offer
thomasaur on September 4, 2009 at 2:21 PM
{{{{hugs thomasaur}}}}
Mary in LA on September 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM
I beg to differ. The government can then mutililate you for organs upon your death, with no permission to take the organs, and simply claim that they had no “evidence” that you didn’t want them to.
Voluntary organ transplant is a noble and honorable thing. If you think we should press for a great number of participants, then press. “Presumption” is a deceptive word for rape.
Jaibones on September 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM
Itchee Dryback on September 4, 2009 at 2:24 PM
Thnx Mary but I’m OK, just being corny.
thomasaur on September 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM
So why all the “Organ Donor” cards? Shouldn’t you get a “Non-Organ Donor” card instead?
Itchee Dryback on September 4, 2009 at 2:25 PM
So any chance having an “opt out” strategy could be just another one of those incentives to just let people in really bad condition to die off so their organs can be harvested? Kinda almost lowers the value of human life and respect for the dead a little doesn’t it?
clement on September 4, 2009 at 2:26 PM
Is it fair game to rob my house if I don’t have a “Don’t Rob My House” sign posted in a conspicuous place?
Itchee Dryback on September 4, 2009 at 2:27 PM
Obama believes that not only does the state have the first claim on your earnings but the first claim on you, as well.
Tantor on September 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM
thomasaur on September 4, 2009 at 2:05 PM
I thought he was referring to his Wurlitzer.
oldfiveanddimer on September 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM
They’ll take my organs over my dead body. /heh
docdave on September 4, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Sounds like your heart wouldn’t be much use anyway. Are you SURE you’re a conservative? I know the stereotype is that we’re heartless bastards, but every conservative (well, really every person) I know is more compassionate than that.
There are a lot more moms than there are murderers, more brothers than there are burglars, more friends than there are fiends in this world. By your logic we should just get a machine gun and start mowing people down, so we don’t accidentally let a bad person live.
RegularJoe on September 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM
Of course it is radical, Ed. As its base, it turns liberty on it’s head and places in it’s stead the coercive power of government to decide for you because you are coerced, by law, into deciding.
Not interested? You must serve notice you aren’t. Too lazy to act? You’re in. The database in incorrect? Too bad for you.
Our legal traditions have put in place a rather full and comprehensive method for deciding the disposition of the person’s property and that includes the very personal property that are their organs.
It’s taken decades to change the base and disgusting belief that when you die, the government owns a portion of your your property, that they are among the heirs and can collect whatever portion they see fit for redistribution merely by changing the paradigm to one that favors their desires. This is no different and in many respects more repulsive because it treats people as property, by force of law, for the purpose of bettering society.
Dusty on September 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Sunstein is an attorney and ghoul looking for the loophole leading to the progressive slippery slope. First, let’s start with presuming the harvest is valid because there is no documentation that says otherwise. Then we move to those that can not voice otherwise. At this point, selling your organs doesn’t look quite so bad. Next, people on death row will start to be looked at like a resource. Maybe could see if China has a few used vans for sale.
In the end, some government regulator determines what organs you get to keep and for how long.
The United States permits the murder of unborn children. The above is not so far fetched.
I’m sure John Holdren would be on board.
AZ_Redneck on September 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM
Oh so we have the hazing out of our old people like Britan is doing before there time. Then we add harvesting organs if they do not say no. How much further to killing even earlier for organs, or organs for hire like in China?
One would think not too far for these loons in Obama’s administration.
Fire them all now! Start with Van Jones!
patriotparty1 on September 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM
If you like Sunstein now, just wait until Obama tries to put him on the Supreme Court. No, I’m not joking.
Mr. D on September 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Of course, the answer is “No”, but it does point out an interesting matter of intellectual property law (I’m not a lawyer, but have had numerous discussions with lawyers on this topic). Failure to take “reasonable measures” to protect your IP is considered grounds for dismissal of an IP theft case. There was a case in Texas some years ago where a former employee of Texas Instruments started up a software company. It was found that some of the software still bore Texas Instruments copyright statements in the comments. The judge threw out TIs case against the guy because they had not taken what his Honor felt were sufficient steps to protect their IP.
So if they do this, better tattoo a big “NO!” over each incision site.
RegularJoe on September 4, 2009 at 2:37 PM
it’s mine and i’m going to play it all i want!
ted c on September 4, 2009 at 2:41 PM
No, she’s like 85 with old lady boobies but some really great antiques. (Besides, mine are real and they’re spectacular)
Monica on September 4, 2009 at 2:43 PM
The state governments can make a simple change to the driver license form that will make everyone happy.
In the US, 10-20% (or so) of drivers opt in to be donors. The vast (all?) states have you opt in by checking a box on your driver’s license form. This is a similar rate to other countries that follow the same procedure.
In countries that do the opposite, and have you instead opt out of donor status the donor rate is 90-100%. The issue isn’t that most people are against organ donation; they’re not. The problem is inherent to how people deal with difficult choices. When faced with difficult decisions most people simply choose the path of least resistance which, in the case of organ donation, is to not check the box. If you are passionate about it, you will opt out. More organs for the sick, while still protecting individual rights. Pretty simple.
A very interesting presentation on this:
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_ariely_asks_are_we_in_control_of_our_own_decisions.html
And yes, the guy’s face is a little messed up, he had a magnesium flare explode all over him while in the IDF and spent 3 years in the hospital.
strictnein on September 4, 2009 at 2:45 PM
This is probably the most posts I’ve ever put under a single topic in one sitting; but I’ve just had what might be a pretty good idea, and I’m wondering what others think.
If you can’t afford health insurance, you pay with your unused organs. That means a kidney now, the other (and your heart, lungs, liver, corneas, etc.) when you die. The insurance company covers you now, and collects payment when you kick off. Allow those of us on private insurance to sell our organs, also. The cost of insurance would go up (more organs = more transplants, and those of us who pay would be also paying for the donors), but we’re already paying for those people now — at least we’d get plentiful organs out of the deal.
I may be missing something. You all will tell me if I am.
RegularJoe on September 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM
I will take your word on it. Not going to fall and trip for a feel good time ;)
As for mine. They are ok… not like I am looking at them all the time. BF likes them.. all that matters.
upinak on September 4, 2009 at 2:48 PM
+1
That would make me wanna grab a gun and get the bad image out of my head if you know what I am saying.
Soylent Organs.
Holger on September 4, 2009 at 2:50 PM
What is this site becoming? Were gonna defend this? Taking someones organs without consent is not a radical concept?I understand that Allah is embarassed by the “evil cons” but here is Ed defending this of all things.
Big Orange on September 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Link?
RegularJoe on September 4, 2009 at 2:53 PM
All this boob talk………never mind.
portlandon on September 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM
I was quoting a seinfeld episode but still, at 40, I’m happy. However, I know by the time I’m 85, my ample bosom will be sagging to my waist and the gals with fakes will still be perky, breaking hearts in the nursing home.
Monica on September 4, 2009 at 2:54 PM
Hmm Soylent Organs? Ew, I feel like Hannibal Lector. Where are the beans and liquor!?
upinak on September 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM
LMFAO!
I know you were talking Seinfeld. Remember Elaine trips and falls on her.. and cops a feel. LOL!
upinak on September 4, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Hannibal Lector Government.
We eat your livers with arrugula and a bottle of Changey!
Holger on September 4, 2009 at 2:59 PM
Someone should so photoshop Obama wearing a Hannibal Lector mask.
Holger on September 4, 2009 at 3:02 PM
OK but the pic is HOT and NSFW
I can’t believe I forgot about that part! My husband fakes that move all the time in what, he claims, is an homage to Elaine.
Monica on September 4, 2009 at 3:04 PM
Quiet a pair.
Holger on September 4, 2009 at 3:08 PM
Interesting thought, but it would assume you have healthy organs to donate. The longer you live, the less likely it is the insurance company would be able collect it’s ‘final premium.’
Dee2008 on September 4, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Most of our NATO allies also don’t guarantee immunity from self-incrimination, a presumption of innocence or due process under the law…
Chris_Balsz on September 4, 2009 at 3:12 PM
*shudder* Can I just go ahead and donate my eyes NOW? ;o)
RegularJoe on September 4, 2009 at 3:13 PM
Once, for a little joke, I photoshopped (poorly) my head on those boobs and put it under my boyfriend’s pillow when I was out of town, and told him there was a naughty surprise waiting for him. He was a bit disappointed but laughed heartily.
Monica on September 4, 2009 at 3:20 PM
The whole thing would have to be worked out actuarially. It’s kind of the reverse of normal insurance. Usually, the longer you’re insured the better the insurance company does; with organs as payment, the best thing for the insurance company is if you get hit by a bus 5 minutes after you sign the papers.
The real difficulty with assessing this is that we don’t have any baseline value to assign to organs. If I knew a kidney was worth $50,000, then I’d know that could cover an individual pretty as a lifetime endowment. If the value was $5,000, it’d be good for a couple of years’ coverage.
And indeed, some of the people who are covered would NEVER have usable organs, some would have organs ruined by the disease (or treatment) that saved their lives, and others would be able to give all of their organs. All that would, as I say, have to be plugged into some actuarial formulas to figure out if this idea was workable.
There is one unknown that couldn’t be figured out for certain until the plan was put into practice, though: how many people who CAN afford insurance — and currently pay for it — would say “a kidney now, then nothing ’til I die? I’ll take that deal!” If enough people did that, the cost for those who continued to pay with cash could go very high indeed.
RegularJoe on September 4, 2009 at 3:21 PM
You are really asking for Obama to come after you….
upinak on September 4, 2009 at 3:23 PM
Dr. Mengele
ultracon on September 4, 2009 at 3:28 PM
STOP HEALTH DEFORM!
Maquis on September 4, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Another step towards China’s “Health Care” system.
mojo on September 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM
EVERY SINGLE DAY….it just gets worse and worse.
These people won’t need Death Panels, they’ll regulate it upfront as policy.
WAKE FROM YOUR SLUMBER AMERICA….Evil is at the door.
PappyD61 on September 4, 2009 at 4:12 PM
They’ll bite your fingers off before you’re dead.
It’s interesting how the only person who isn’t paid in an organ transplantation is the organ donor or the estate. Everyone else gets paid for the procedure, from the surgeon to the operating nurses to the janitor cleaning up afterwards to the government beaurocrat filing papers for it, but the person most necessary to the success of the transplantation (the person whose organ it is) gets nothing.
progressoverpeace on September 4, 2009 at 4:15 PM
no… I like your idea but no…
Start with Obama, now I’m on board.
Chaz706 on September 4, 2009 at 4:24 PM
You may be right but, if so, it is a sad comment on people’s moral calculus. “Presumed consent” is a nice way of saying “state-sanctioned seizure of human body parts” or “state-sanctioned violation of the dead” – it is treating the deceased as collections of raw materials for the living. It makes the state’s invasion of the person complete.
pussum207 on September 4, 2009 at 4:42 PM
You can “opt out” of the government taxing your organs. All you need to do is pay a $2500.00 penalty.
By the way I’m a STRONG supporter of organ donations.
Jeff from WI on September 4, 2009 at 4:45 PM
I see a nation wide chain of organ salvage yards. One owner, low mileage liver, only $52,000.00 + installation.
Jeff from WI on September 4, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I’m an RN and a huge supporter of organ donation…
And this is a massive crock of crap. Create a massive ad campaign to educate the public and ask for support. You don’t create a law that says ‘we get yer parts unless you specifically say no’.
Seriously, if you’re not secure in the disposition of your freaking body parts, you have no liberty at all. You’re potentially just a parts factory.
These folks cannot get out of my personal life faster. I wish that it was yesterday. It’s like being attacked on every front of personal choice and privacy that they can muster.
GeeWhiz on September 4, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Donate, hell! Your organs should be part of your estate when you croak. If and when there is compensation to your heirs for your organs, be a non-donor.
Pelayo on September 4, 2009 at 5:14 PM
Heck, just harvest them now and give them a $3500 “Cash for Organs”
They not only want to forcibly mandate the taking of your organs. Heck why don’t they make crackers/food from your body for the masses.
UH, oh yeah….that was a moooovie about 35 years ago….yeah, SOYLENT GREEN HEALTHCAREanyone?
Message to the White House.
Hands off the kids…..and Hands off the organs.
PappyD61 on September 4, 2009 at 5:21 PM
People have come back from what they call dead.
Slowburn on September 4, 2009 at 5:35 PM
While we debate legalizing presumed consent, there is an already-legal way to put a big dent in the organ shortage — allocate donated organs first to people who have agreed to donate their own organs when they die. UNOS, which manages the national organ allocation system, has the power to make this simple policy change. No legislative action is required.
Americans who want to donate their organs to other registered organ donors don’t have to wait for UNOS to act. They can join LifeSharers, a non-profit network of organ donors who agree to offer their organs first to other organ donors when they die. Membership is free at http://www.lifesharers.org or by calling 1-888-ORGAN88. There is no age limit, parents can enroll their minor children, and no one is excluded due to any pre-existing medical condition.
Giving organs first to organ donors will convince more people to register as organ donors. It will also make the organ allocation system fairer. Non-donors should go to the back of the waiting list as long as there is a shortage of organs.
daveundis on September 4, 2009 at 6:44 PM
I still believe we should have the option of selling our organs (at death). Anyone that wants to donate his/her organs for free could do that as well.
If doctors, nurses, hospitals, drug companies, etc. are going to charge for transplanting organs, I think the organ donor’s heirs should also profit.
huckleberryfriend on September 4, 2009 at 7:29 PM
They are planning ahead. Someday there might be a 5 year old kid that needs a brain and when Obama goes they can use his. Would be a good match.
pckle on September 4, 2009 at 7:40 PM
Please don’t bury me
Down in that cold cold ground
No, I’d druther have “em” cut me up
And pass me all around
Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don’t mind the size
Give my stomach to milwaukee
If they run out of beer
Put my socks in a cedar box
Just get “em” out of here
Venus de milo can have my arms
Look out! I’ve got your nose
Sell my heart to the junkman
And give my love to rose
Give my feet to the footloose
Careless, fancy free
Give my knees to the needy
Don’t pull that stuff on me
Hand me down my walking cane
It’s a sin to tell a lie
Send my mouth way down south
And kiss my as* goodbye
– John Prine
mojo on September 4, 2009 at 11:02 PM
This is the same guy that wants to ban all hunting. That way they don’t have to worry about taking away the guns. Won’t be much use for them after that. How he expects to enforce the no hunting is beyond me. And lawyers wonder why they aren’t revered.
Kissmygrits on September 4, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Hmm, so how’s the government to know if you’re a fit donor without obtaining your medical records prior to your death? Do they get those records when the doctor has the “We’re going to have to put you down” talk per ObamaCare? Do they have legal carte blanche to pillage all your private documents after your demise, medical records or otherwise? Will they just yank out everyone’s heart/kidney/cornea/liver/lung and *then* check to see if you’re a fit donor?
Think of the possibilities: someone gets an HIV-infected heart because of shoddy government oversight, a blood relative is denied a transplant because someone else needs it “more,” your body is mutilated and all the organs are removed and only then does the government discover that you’re not a suitable donor anyway.
This is not a good idea.
citrus on September 4, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Let’s expropriate Cass Sunstein’s organ and shove it down his throat.
MaiDee on September 5, 2009 at 8:27 AM
I have it in my will that my organs can be ‘harvested’ for transplantation only if my heirs are justly compensated for their removal and use. You own your own body (at least for now), so how can the government lay claim to it?
This might sound cold, but it is pay for play, baby! If your liver or kidneys or eyes aren’t a decent insurance policy for your heirs, then they go down with the body in the casket for the long, dirt nap!
kens on September 5, 2009 at 12:40 PM
That is not against people’s will? What about the family’s will? “Not exactly?” Pablum.
rlwo2008 on September 5, 2009 at 1:08 PM
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