The NHS “death pathway”
posted at 11:36 am on September 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
Once government takes over health care, we won’t see death panels. We’ve been repeatedly assured of this by the Obama administration and the national media. At least thus far, they’re right, but our friends in the UK apparently aren’t as fortunate. A group of doctors have blown the whistle on the NHS for suspending hydration to supposedly terminally ill patients to hasten their demises:
In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, a group of experts who care for the terminally ill claim that some patients are being wrongly judged as close to death.
Under NHS guidance introduced across England to help doctors and medical staff deal with dying patients, they can then have fluid and drugs withdrawn and many are put on continuous sedation until they pass away.
But this approach can also mask the signs that their condition is improving, the experts warn.
As a result the scheme is causing a “national crisis” in patient care, the letter states. It has been signed palliative care experts including Professor Peter Millard, Emeritus Professor of Geriatrics, University of London, Dr Peter Hargreaves, a consultant in Palliative Medicine at St Luke’s cancer centre in Guildford, and four others.
These actions did not result from instructions in living wills, or from demands by next of kin. Patients got killed through sedated dehydration in order to save time and money for the resource-strapped NHS. It’s called the “death pathway,” initially designed as a humane way of hastening death in the final hours. However, the application has broadened to more diseases and diagnoses than its formerly narrow scope, and the triggers have become more ambiguous. That leads, these doctors warn, to a self-fulfilling prophecy of death when it might be avoided.
In fact, the incentives of the NHS appear to be driving those self-fulfilling prophecies. According to a study quoted in the Telegraph, 16.5% of all deaths in Britain came after continuous deep sedation, more than twice the rate of Belgium and the Netherlands, the latter of which has euthanasia as part of its policy. Given the financial difficulties of the NHS and the need to stretch resources, it seems unlikely that expediency has nothing to do with the sudden popularity of the “death pathway”.
When government controls all the resources and makes all the decisions, the “death pathway” is an entirely predictable result. Patients and their families no longer control the decisions made in health care, because they no longer control the compensation. Even if the “death pathway” doesn’t appear in the ObamaCare bill, the nationalization of heath care sets the stage for the kind of “comparative effectiveness” decisions that lead to its implementation.










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When they offer you the “pain pills”, I would say stay away!
upinak on September 3, 2009 at 11:38 AM
Dehydration? Now there’s a fun way to check out. geez
HoustonRight on September 3, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Gee………….the MSM thought Sarah was nuts to imply that “Death Panels” were on the way……………guess who was right?
Cinday Blackburn on September 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Oh, that silly Sarah Palin putting silly ideas into the heads of silly people.
It’s just silly.
Mr Snuggle Bunny on September 3, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Disturbing.
sammypants on September 3, 2009 at 11:41 AM
I hope they do not diagnose me with Conservatitis.
Hopefully the Brits will help us save us from ourselves.
WashJeff on September 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM
UGH!
cmsinaz on September 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM
If you are old, stay well away from Great Britain.
unclesmrgol on September 3, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Indoctrinate the young and hasten the death of those that have the common sense to oppose this crap, Obama and his mobsters have a plan.
bbz123 on September 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Leave it to the Brits to come up with ‘cutting edge’ medicine.
GarandFan on September 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Is this patient crisis being used as a means to push a new government program, intervention or some other scheme? Or, is there a movement afoot for patient’s rights in end of life care?
Comparative effectiveness research at this level will compare the “effectiveness” of various medications and interventions at achieving the most expeditious end result. Mark my words, there are research questions, and then there are ethical research questions with a whole lotta gray area in between them.
ted c on September 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM
We are quickly becoming the Evil Empire.
Holger on September 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM
If you are old, stay well away from Great Britain.
unclesmrgol on September 3, 2009 at 11:43 AM
The same would appear to apply if Dr. Obama gets his bill passed.
fourdeucer on September 3, 2009 at 11:44 AM
There are 545 brain dead politicians in DC we can use this procedure on.
bloviator on September 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM
The British NHS is just a bunch of anti-ObamaCare astroturfers.
LibTired on September 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM
“I’m from the gubmint, and I’m here to help.”
RR was right…….the 9 most dangerous words you will ever hear.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Last night I watched Steny Hoyer’s townhall meeting on C-Span. Those in the audience that spoke strongly in favor of a public option seemed to share a mindset. It impressed me that those people honestly think a public option is a free option. Do they know something I don’t, or is it just ignorance wrapped up in a Peggy the Moocher attitude?
joedoe on September 3, 2009 at 11:46 AM
Yeah, sounds especially brutal. I guess depriving a patient of something he needs instead of actively giving him an OD lets people not think they are not actually killing someone. I’d call this barbaric, but I don’t want to insult barbarians.
Collectivism is always on the “death pathway” one way or another.
forest on September 3, 2009 at 11:47 AM
No. Inhumane.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 3, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Got to stop the Obama nonsense…..maybe this is a start?
http://www.federalismamendment.com/index.html
Onward Forward and Upward!!
RoxanneH on September 3, 2009 at 11:47 AM
There was a black minister on Fox this morning from the Fair Park area of Dallas. For those of ya’ll who don’t know, that is as ghetto as you can get. He was stating that the reform plan would lead to deaths of older people because of lack of resources. He also linked the abortion plague of the last 35 years to the problems with funding Medicare and Social Security. If Obama is losing congregations in Fair Park, look out!
TXMomof3 on September 3, 2009 at 11:49 AM
I’m sure our American bureaucrats will be better healthcare administrators than the Brit bureaucrats…
myrenovations on September 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Theodoric of York, meet ObamaCare.
5 steps forward, 300 steps back.
portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 11:50 AM
Sarah Palin was right.
Norwegian on September 3, 2009 at 11:52 AM
So under Obamacare, Granny won’t get the plug pulled on her. She’ll just be deprived of fluids. Sounds humane.
Doughboy on September 3, 2009 at 11:53 AM
This is incredibly chilling.
Keeping a person sedated so that they won’t be able relay how they are actually feeling, and then the only voice that can vouch for the “deterioration” in their condition is the government funded doctor/hospital.
People put faith in doctors advice because of their expertise and wisdom, but who the hell would ever trust a doctor again regarding big decisions???
red winger on September 3, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Waiting for the lefty trolls to defend this. . .
rbj on September 3, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Think about that for a moment…
… Really, sit back and think about that. This is exactly what Obama and the Democrats want to do.
Why…?
I don’t know about you…
… but they can shove this up their a%ses!
Seven Percent Solution on September 3, 2009 at 11:55 AM
Someone might let me lay there and die?
Over my dead body.
fogw on September 3, 2009 at 11:56 AM
Check this out
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Health-care-reform-means-more-power-for-the-IRS-56781377.html
Here’s a snipit from the article…
Under the various proposals now on the table, the IRS would become the main agency for determining who has an “acceptable” health insurance plan; for finding and punishing those who don’t have such a plan; for subsidizing individual health insurance costs through the issuance of a tax credits; and for enforcing the rules on those who attempt to opt out, abuse, or game the system. A substantial portion of H.R. 3200, the House health care bill, is devoted to amending the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 in order to give the IRS the authority to perform these new duties.
Holy sh!t Batman. Define “punish”.
milwife88 on September 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Future debate on Obamagreencarbonfreecare
“Gatoraid”
” H2O”
“Gatoraid”
” H2O”
“Water sucks, it really, really sucks”
Hening on September 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Death Panels…..Yes we can.
Death Panels…..Hope.
Death Panels…..Change.
Death Panels…..We are the ones we’ve been waiting for.
Death Panels…..Obama.
portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM
My grandfather died at the VA in 1969 of lung cancer. You could hear him breathing approximately 50 feet away, and he had no pulse in his arms or legs for 24 hours before he died. No supplemental oxygen, no IV line, just shots of morphine.
This is what you would get under government health care. Something to look forward to, isn’t it?
Sarah2053 on September 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Thank you Sarah! From your living room in Wasilla, you as a private citizen helped remove the mask from this bill. Now the rest of us have to show up in DC and demand the government get out of our lives. It ain’t just about healthcare, but about Communist Czars, Cap & Tax and so-called Green policies, Card Check, unFairness Doctrine, bailouts, government takeovers of private industry, cronyism, corruption and fascism.
Christian Conservative on September 3, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Paging Dr. Palin
Dr_Irish on September 3, 2009 at 12:00 PM
Sarah2053 on September 3, 2009 at 11:57 AM
That is beyond horrible. My heart breaks for him and members of your family who had to witness that.
milwife88 on September 3, 2009 at 12:01 PM
All we need is the IRS running our health care system. Of course, no other federal agency is as adept at making a person wish they were dead. hmmmmmm
joedoe on September 3, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Sounds like premeditated murder to me, but what would you expect from people who refer to killing babies as a “life choice”.
Tommy_G on September 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Is it too early in the morning to start drinking??
lovingmyUSA on September 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM
At least these people died with their tonsils and limbs intact. I find it very comforting that the wisdom of government will decide when I’m no longer of value to society. It releases me from this horrible burden /sarc
gwelf on September 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM
I think Mrs. Palin is busy right now….. trying to get Levi’s name moved to the top of the list.
joedoe on September 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Heh. And they’ll have to pry your feeding tube from your cold dead hands.
LibTired on September 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Yes. Don’t drown your fears in booze. Confront the evil government.
rbj on September 3, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Never too early. This Administration makes me wanna start!
Holger on September 3, 2009 at 12:04 PM
That’s frightening, and enough to stoke a civil war.
Question though, I wonder how immense the staffing would be at the IRS. They’ll have to hire several million people just to keep track of everyone.
And there you have it …… creating jobs.
fogw on September 3, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Drinking is like watching television. You should never start it too early in the day.
Tommy_G on September 3, 2009 at 12:05 PM
Folks, that already occurs in this country under hospice care! My mother was blind and bedridden with arthritic arms and, despite my almost daily visits to the nursing home to primarily hydrate her (the medicare/medicaid staff never seemed to do this enough; the several ones who did care were just overworked) she was constantly dehydrated. When they put her on hospice, they doped her up to a point you couldn’t hydrate her (though only movement caused her any pain). She was gone in 5 days at the age of 92. When she died the autopsy read ‘final stage renal failure’; i.e. kidney shutdown, obviously in trying to retain fluids.
Again, cost effectiveness wins out. Only because she was so miserable in the nursing home can I accept this ‘mercy killing’.
michaelo on September 3, 2009 at 12:06 PM
Make that paging Dr Palin STAT!!!!!!!!
huskerdiva on September 3, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Why not? I heard this morning that they have hired over a 1.000 more people to process Cash for Clunker apps. If Obama cannot turn it around, he will just “create” a gubmint job for everyone.
TXMomof3 on September 3, 2009 at 12:07 PM
A healthy person dies of dehydration in a few days, so I am sure a sick person would go more quickly. It takes a lot longer to starve someone to death. They are just being efficient.
mchristian on September 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM
“Death Pathway” Those Brits always did taik funny – over here we just call them Death Panels.
Ogabe on September 3, 2009 at 12:09 PM
Shhhhhhh. Hell the FDA stated Cheerio’s was BAD and shouldn’t label things that make you “Healthy”. Gatoraid will be next!
I would like to thank the Florida Gator’s who invented such a FINE product for hydration!
upinak on September 3, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Is it too early in the morning to start drinking??
lovingmyUSA on September 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM
You can’t drink all day if you don’t start drinking in the morning!
huskerdiva on September 3, 2009 at 12:11 PM
Barry is looking for a new slogan to remotivate the health care debate.
How about-
Obamacare: a dead giveaway.
profitsbeard on September 3, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Thank you, milwife88. I was 15 at the time, and it was just horrendous. But, as the silver lining, neither my brother nor I ever thought about smoking cigarettes. So the death doctors will have to find another way for me.
Sarah2053 on September 3, 2009 at 12:13 PM
Next . . . “Soylent Green”? Don’t laugh, did you think it would have gone this far?
rplat on September 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Um, yeah, that’s government sanctioned murder. Not cool.
BadgerHawk on September 3, 2009 at 12:14 PM
Of course the IRS will oversee our health care, how are they going to get their death taxes if they can’t insure our death?
fourdeucer on September 3, 2009 at 12:16 PM
When a “pensioner” dies, it frees up healthcare money, it frees up retirement benefits, and often frees up real estate too. Win, win, win, if you’re in the government and it’s all just an academic exercise to you.
RBMN on September 3, 2009 at 12:16 PM
I wasn’t aware congress was voting on implementing the British NHS. Thanks for clearing that up Ed.
ernesto on September 3, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Yeah! We’ll get it right unlike those stupid Brits! The same economic and social pressures won’t apply! Forget what’s going on in Canada and Britain – that would never happen here!
Your unicorn is on the way!
gwelf on September 3, 2009 at 12:19 PM
I highly doubt the British people voted for this a generation ago either. Way to miss the point.
BadgerHawk on September 3, 2009 at 12:19 PM
It is a slippery slope and if this bill passes it will be happening in the U.S. It’s ironic that our civilization has come so far to then revert back to “mercy killing” or whatever you want to call it, it’s barbaric.
4shoes on September 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Soylent Green? I think MoveOn.org already has people out taste testing seniors now. Give them a finger and next they will want a foot.
joedoe on September 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM
So when it comes down to me or the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse, what are my chances?
ziggyville on September 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM
Hey – if death is good enough for the unborn it’s good enough for our elderly. /sarc
gwelf on September 3, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Death can’t be avoided.
Holger on September 3, 2009 at 12:23 PM
All of us are terminally ill.
Holger on September 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Bbbbbut the constitution says I have a right to life and it’s the governments job to provide me with my rights so they have to make sure I never die. /sarc
gwelf on September 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Right to Life is not in the constitution.
I claim the right to free oral sex from hawt swedish blondes, I demand government subsidize my right!
Holger on September 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Well…
“Finger bitten off during California health protest”
“California authorities say a clash between opponents and supporters of health care reform ended with one man biting off another man’s finger.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090903/ap_on_re_us/us_finger_severed
the_nile on September 3, 2009 at 12:27 PM
This is what goes on at hospice centers across the country right now. My 84 year old uncle suffered a stroke and was in a coma. He was transferred to a hospice bed and survived 9 days without food or water before he died. Being retired Navy, he had Tricare for Life which is a government program. We already have death panels.
Kissmygrits on September 3, 2009 at 12:30 PM
If you are entitled to healthcare at anyone’s expense I am entitled to a SOCOMII with 10 magazines, 200 rounds, ACOGsight, laser, tactical light and pistol grip.
Where is my gun entitlement?
Holger on September 3, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Yeah, you know one of the reasons Hitler went after the Jews was (I am not making this up, research it!) to get their wealth. Remember the “sorting rooms” where they sorted the possessions of the incoming Jews, like their jewelry, their eyeglasses, their shoes, even the gold fillings they took from their teeth, and their rings. This was, I believe, where George Soros, then George Schwartz, worked during the war, and where he learned firsthand how to be in the place of the victimizer rather than that of victim. I believe they are looking to do something similar, in terms of grabbing as much of the wealth of the elderly as they can. Remember the talk of seizing everyones’ retirement savings a few months back, in the middle of the great stockmarket crash, etc? Don’t think they have stopped coveting those funds. It’s expensive to take over the world.
Peggy Snow Cahill on September 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Now we’re talkin! I also want the government to give me a seat at a radio show on NPR to I can exercise some free speach!
gwelf on September 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Or maybe a tonsil.
MarkTheGreat on September 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM
He didn’t miss the point, he was trying to confuse the issue.
MarkTheGreat on September 3, 2009 at 12:53 PM
The NHS came about due to a very specific set of circumstances…a set that makes the NHS to this day the most ‘socialized’ medical system in the western world. It involved an entire government takeover of all hospitals during the battle of britain. When the bombing stopped, the people quite enjoyed having a centralized system through which they could go anywhere and get treatment regardless of other circumstances.
Point being, even in places like France and Canada, they have not replicated the NHS, precisely because of the circumstances surrounding the founding of the NHS. There was actually an excellent article in the atlantic last year that outlined how the events of the period directly effected the nature of the various ‘socialized’ healthcare systems in the developed world.
Just because we’re voting on something like co-ops or a public option does not mean we are on an irreversable bee-line to the NHS. Shyt, even if we WANTED an NHS, without a full military takeover of civil services…it would prove extremely difficult, if not outright impossible.
ernesto on September 3, 2009 at 12:57 PM
ernesto on September 3, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Perhaps this is a good place to mention my new YouTube video, “Ain’t Gonna Treat Your Heart No Longer.”
http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=moby
This was inspired by reports of Oregon Health Plan (Medicaid) patients who were denied advanced chemotherapy, but were callously reminded that palliative care, including assisted suicide, were covered.
The (literally) fatal intersection of government-run “care” and assisted suicide.
misterdregs on September 3, 2009 at 1:10 PM
Please forgive the off topoic post but
Olympia snowejob needs to be stopped !
Call her office and say you are from Maine and represent a group of seniors against obamacare. It doesn’t matter if you don’t live in Maine. Find a zip code and town name off the net and call her now. Or say you are a moderate dem who voted for her, and you are against obamacare or any public option. We need to burn her local Maine offices as well as Washington. Call her now before she caves to the libs. Call her now!!!!
texaninfidel on September 3, 2009 at 1:15 PM
Death Panels in America.
Count on it.
It is the only possible evolution of the “public option”.
Sarah Palin is right, Ed. Just go ahead and admit it straight up, rather than doing the “no death panels, but what we will end up with is almost exactly like what could possibly be referred to as a death panel, if one were to be so hyperbolic as to use such an over the top term as death panels“.
Come on, just say it.
T-Paw will forgive you man.
He wishes he had done it first.
Mitt Romney could not be reached for comment.
Brian1972 on September 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRaOBWegbCQ
Here is the lyric:
AIN’T GONNA TREAT YOUR HEART NO LONGER
Long ago you were productive
And you held a steady job
Now you’ve gotten old and feeble
And you’re looking like a slob
Once you paid us lots of taxes
And were very cheap to treat
Now the bills are piling up
And there’s a budget we must meet
(Refrain)
Ain’t gonna treat your heart no longer
Ain’t gonna treat your back no more
Costs too much to buy you braces
Costs too much for Lipitor
Costs too much for your depression
And we’re tired of your complaints
Ain’t gonna treat your heart no longer
Better get ready to meet the saints
Now your joints are getting creaky
And your liver’s getting old
Your carotids are stenosing
And your thyroid needs controlled
It’s too bad that you have cancer
And you suffer chronic pain
But we can’t afford to treat you
So you’re circling the drain
Refrain
While the citizens were sleeping
Congress came and took control
Now your healthcare’s being run by
Bureaucrats without a soul
We won’t pay for your dialysis
Won’t pay to fix your eyes
But because we’re kind and caring
We will pay to euthanize
Refrain
misterdregs on September 3, 2009 at 1:17 PM
Uh, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but callerID is a bitch.
Brian1972 on September 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM
I do appreciate your enthusiasm, and I agree with you overall point, but your tactical approach needs some work.
CallerID can be a b!tch sometimes.
Brian1972 on September 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM
Must have gotten moderated on that last one.
Sorry.
Brian1972 on September 3, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Send an email. Find a local address.
Or use (ala ACORN registering voters) a park bench in downtown Bangor as an address. ; )
misterdregs on September 3, 2009 at 1:29 PM
Yes we will.
Sarah Palin is right, just admit it for crying out loud.
Brian1972 on September 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM
The choice is mutually exclusive? Drats!
unclesmrgol on September 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM
This happened to my two aunts during the 90s. They were both just over 70 years old, both had cancers of some sort and all we were told – the family that is – is that “we can only make them comfortable.” They then proceeded to pump them full of morphine, send them to a hospice, where they were never conscious, and waited for their hearts to stop. The nurses didn’t make this decision, it came from the government, the Blair regime to be exact.
People have often asked me why I am bitter towards the NHS. I think it may be becoming more obvious by the day, and when it arrives here eventually, you’ll all know why I’m so angry and so bitter and so fearful of Barack Hussein Obama.
If ObamaCare is pushed through, which I think it is likely be, this country will be in the sh*t for years to come and we will all suffer enormously for this man’s own belief in his manifest destiny, arrogance and hatred of conservatism nd reason.
Dino64 on September 3, 2009 at 1:40 PM
It seems that every day our country is being destroyed from the inside more and more. Anyone who doesn’t believe that this death “assistance” is at least strongly possible is delusional.
search4truth on September 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM
Bawney Fwank admitted that the public option was a backdoor to socialized (gubmint run) health care. And if anyone knows about backdoors, it’s……..
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on September 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM
Lets give Pelosi, Obama, and Bawney Fwank the power to decide life and death issues for your family.
elduende on September 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM
We are all Romans now. Romans sacrified their Liberty for Bread and Games while forgetting more and more about their Duty to the Republic.
Holger on September 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM
No. The author says that the policy is the result of a ‘laudable’ attempt to prevent the over treatment of dying patients. At no point in the article or the letter are cost saving cited as a reason for the LCP program. The LCP program was not a government program. It was put together by the Marie Curie Cancer society.
Actually the decision is not made by administrators or the government. The decision to put a patient on LCP is made by “the entire team” and the policy itself states that the patient and the patients family should be included in the decision process. The letter by concerned experts does not at any point suggest even vaguely that the policy has anything to do with saving money.
Do a little more research about this Ed instead of filling in the blanks with your own anti-NHS fantasies.
lexhamfox on September 3, 2009 at 2:02 PM
lexhamfox on September 3, 2009 at 2:02 PM
Sorry, but you’re clueless. I lived for 38 years of my life in that dungheap of a country and I’m telling YOU what the NHS really is. You have nothing important to add to this thread. Now piss off.
Dino64 on September 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM
Sure, and then their organs can be harvested, and that’ll reduce the need for having to ration transplants so much.
Wait, haven’t I seen this in a book before?
Ah, yes… “COMA”, by Robin Cook.
VekTor on September 3, 2009 at 2:29 PM
preventing “overtreatment” (and what, hydration is overtreatment now?) is cost control. Why else do it unless you are trying to control costs.
And the policy comes from the government/administrators. Nice to actually give the family & patient a seat at the table, even if they can’t veto it.
Really weak argument.
rbj on September 3, 2009 at 2:38 PM
Save money Obama–death panels and abortions!!! What a humane President.
mobydutch on September 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM
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