School districts deluged with phone calls from parents angry about Obama’s speech
posted at 9:16 pm on September 3, 2009 by Allahpundit
Rod Dreher heard about it anecdotally this morning, but what he calls the righty “crazybomb” has now exploded with full force:
Schools don’t have to show it. But districts across the country have been inundated with phone calls from parents and are struggling to address the controversy that broke out after Education Secretary Arne Duncan sent a letter to principals urging schools to watch.
Districts in states including Texas, Illinois, Minnesota, Missouri, Virginia, Wisconsin have decided not to show the speech to students. Others are still thinking it over or are letting parents have their kids opt out…
“As far as I am concerned, this is not civics education — it gives the appearance of creating a cult of personality,” said Oklahoma state Sen. Steve Russell. “This is something you’d expect to see in North Korea or in Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.”…
PTA council president Cara Mendelsohn said Obama is “cutting out the parent” by speaking to kids during school hours.
“Why can’t a parent be watching this with their kid in the evening?” Mendelsohn said. “Because that’s what makes a powerful statement, when a parent is sitting there saying, ‘This is what I dream for you. This is what I want you to achieve.’”
Presumptive answer to her question: Because far fewer kids (and parents) are going to want to watch in the evening. People get grumpy when an Obama speech on something important preempts the primetime schedule; does she really believe they’re going to turn off “CSI” to watch The One drone on about education? I think kids can handle 20 minutes alone with him. Besides, if the boss is right that the real threat here will be teachers using this as a pretext for more politicized lessons going forward, what does it matter if the kids watch Obama or not? It’s what comes later that’s the concern.
More from Politico:
“The gist is, ‘I want to see what the president has to say before you expose it to my child.’ Another said, ‘This is Marxist propaganda.’ They are very hostile,” said Patricia O’Neill, a Democrat who is vice president of the Montgomery County School Board, in a district that borders Washington, D.C. “I think it’s disturbing that people don’t want to hear the president, but we live in a diverse society.”…
Six districts contacted by POLITICO all said they would leave it to local school superintendents, principals and teachers whether to show the speech – but all said they would provide alternative activities for students whose parents didn’t want them to see the broadcast…
Obama isn’t the first president to be criticized this way. O’Neill recalled President George H. W. Bush made televised address to students in October 1991 as campaign season was heating up. A handful of Democrats denounced Bush’s address as pure politics. Bush asked students to “take control” of their education and to write him a letter about ways students could help him achieve his goals, strikingly similar to Obama’s messages.
Newsbusters remembered Bush’s address this morning — and also remembered that lefty darling Dick Gephardt was very concerned about it indeed (“The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president”). Reagan did it too, according to Tapper, although it’s unclear in both cases how widely televised the speeches were. The most amazing thing about this story to me is Tapper’s assertion that the White House was “caught flat-footed” by the outcry, which is certainly true given how quickly they moved to revise the prep materials. Do they not watch Glenn Beck or listen to Limbaugh? Is Andrew Sullivan really their primary source for how grassroots conservatives view the administration? They’re entitled to have as much contempt as they like for righty suspicions about creeping authoritarianism as government expands, but those suspicions are a fact of political life. Seven months into The One’s term, only a moron would fail to anticipate the reaction at this point.
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I certainly respect that view.
csdeven on September 4, 2009 at 3:46 AM
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 3:38 AM
I am more convinced than ever that getting rid of Obama will be a fight to the death and I mean that literally, with Sarah Palin in the middle of everything.
Obama’s #1 goal presently is to eliminate her. As we get closer to the 2010 midterms he will employ more drastic means to achieve this goal if he hasn’t got rid of her by then. Obama has too much on the line to fail. He is not going to allow a hockey mom bring him down and destroy everything that Far Left has planned in the last 40 years. Also George Soros will not allow him to fail, if you get what I mean.
I just worry that John Ziegler may be right. He claims that the Far Left knows it’s in a war while the right thinks it’s going to a picnic. What they do is bring a pocket knife to a gun fight. I pray that the right wises up and realizes how dangerous Obama and his Marxist friends are and they will resort to anything or any tactic or strategy to keep Obama in office.
technopeasant on September 4, 2009 at 3:47 AM
It was History teachers who developed the current California State History Standards and Objectives. If you have a problem with when something is taught take it up with them. It is not the fault of the School or local teachers that slavery doesn’t get taught until sometime in the 5th grade.
BTW I taught in 3 different districts in S. Cal before I left for Arizona in 2007. Conservatives at any of the Schools I taught in amounted to about 5% or less of the teaching staff and administrators. 60 – 70% diehard NEA liberals and the rest moderates. Students continually asked me why I didn’t birdwalk during class and talk about social issues etc. like their other teachers. My answer was always they were in my class to learn chemistry not what I thought about social issues.
chemman on September 4, 2009 at 3:47 AM
Barack Obama Wants Your Children And Is Coming For Them On September 8, 2009!
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/barack-obama-wants-your-children-and-is-coming-for-them-on-september-8-2009/
gary4205 on September 4, 2009 at 4:18 AM
Obama is a political pedophile. Protect your children from that evil.
Jeff from WI on September 4, 2009 at 4:32 AM
Neither circumvented school superintendents around the country, going straight to union-affiliated school principals, to distribute a creepy study guide, which invariably had to be revised once the firestorm hit.
Apples and oranges: speeches by true Americans compared to a speech by a guy who hires Van Jones.
BuckeyeSam on September 4, 2009 at 4:59 AM
See you got some good stuff there. Can I have a hit?
DarkCurrent on September 4, 2009 at 6:11 AM
No offense to parents here, but why are your kids still in public schools? I don’t even have my own kids, but I am using my money to pay for my niece’s kid’s private school tuition. That is how strongly I believe we can NOT let our kids be indoctrinated by these rabid lefty teachers in the public schools. Unfortunately, my niece and her husband have had hard financial times here in MI and they would be stuck in public school without my help. She has a toddler and one on the way. NONE of those kids are going to be in public school if I have to start delivering pizza for extra cash to pay their tuition. And I am the daughter of a retired public teacher who is a reflex D voter, no matter what.
karenhasfreedom on September 4, 2009 at 6:25 AM
It is one thing to play the old tired game of “they did it too,” and another to ignore the fact that the “O” has lesson plans (government schools and he’s the commander in chief of the government schools?) And then there’s the issue of the “O” wanting that civilian army…
However, I do blame Bush for centralizing, what should be local control, with his “no child left behind.”
By the way, every major dictator “does it too.”
Don L on September 4, 2009 at 6:31 AM
My 3 kids are staying home that day. No wonder people home school!
Cinday Blackburn on September 4, 2009 at 7:10 AM
Here’s another….
Barney and Grigori Rasputin
yoda on September 4, 2009 at 7:16 AM
With my stepkids, we have no choice. Although hubby has joint custody, their mother has primary. So the school choice is up to her, although honestly if I thought she could afford it I think she would send them to private school herself.
As far as my own son — if I can afford it by the time he’s in school, I’ll most likely pay for him to go to private school since my school district is “in need of improvement.”
ScoopPC11 on September 4, 2009 at 7:19 AM
I think most parents would send their kids to private schools if better than the public systems. And here’s where I think that the public, after beating back state seizure of healthcare, need to make it clear that there be school vouchers and the ability to send your kids to the best school available.
All the same arguments being thrown around by the filthy lair can be revamped for this debate. School vouchers would give greater choice and portability. What do the public schools have to worry about if they are already providing the best product available?- vouchers would only serve to keep them honest. We have to do something now because doing nothing would be worse…. All the same arguments used for seizing healthcare can be used to get rid of the NEA’s stronghold on education.
highhopes on September 4, 2009 at 7:25 AM
if this is happening in Montgomery County Maryland than it’s reached critical mass for Dear Leader. Here they really do sing songs and chant and stuff the praises of BO
JohnBissell on September 4, 2009 at 7:36 AM
My district in Michigan is also not showing the speech. Of course we live in a conservative county (OK nobody snicker -some parts of Michigan are conservative just not enough of the state to elect competent Senators). Here’s the direct quote from the e-mail:
“We will not be participating in the showing of the speech. Instructional time is very short during a school year and we want to make sure we value every second of the time we have to deliver curriculum. We will leave whether or not you want your children to see the speech up to you. Have a safe and happy labor day weekend.”
greengarnet on September 4, 2009 at 7:37 AM
ALLCON, FYI
Hitler Youth; Rearmament
Story RG-60.2451, Tape 64
Title: The Nazi Plan
Event Date:
Category: Documentary
Language: German
Place: Germany
Description: Reel 9, Part III: Preparation for wars of aggression, 1935-1939
02:18:51 Title: “Part III Preparation for Wars of Aggression 1935-1939″
Title: “1935 Von Schirach Urges Hitler Youth to Follow Principles of “Mein Kampf”" von Schirach addresses youth.
Title: “Goering Announces Rearmament of Germany March 1935″ Miscellaneous military scenes.
Source: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), 238.1 R9
Copyright: Public Domain
Time Code: 02:18:51:22 – 02:25:17:03
Duration: 00:06:25
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Director: E.R. Kellogg
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Production Date: 1945?
Biography / History: “The Nazi Plan” was shown as evidence at the International Military Tribunal (IMT) in Nuremberg on December 11, 1945. It was compiled by Budd Schulberg and other military personnel, under the supervision of Navy Commander James Donovan. The compilers took pains to use only German source material, including official newsreels and other German films (1919-45). It was put together for the US Counsel for the Prosecution of Axis Criminality and the US Office of the Chief Counsel for War Crimes. The film was received in evidence as IMT exhibit USA-167. Summary from NARA story card (NARA source number 238.1): “On the activities and policies of the National Socialist Party in Germany, 1921-1944, particularly as reflected in the speeches of Adolf Hitler. Shows much of the pagentry associated with the speeches. Consists of four parts: Part I: The rise of the NSDAP, 1921-1933 (reels 1-2); Part II: Acquiring totalitarian control of Germany, 1933-1935 (reels 3-8); Part III: Preparation for wars of aggression, 1935-1939 (reels 9-16); and Part IV: Wars of aggression, 1939-1944 (reels 17-22).”
Accession Info: 1998.191.1 The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum purchased this from the National Archives and Records Administration in September 1998.
PE Monitor:
Notes: Rights: While this film is a production of the US government and is therefore in the public domain, it contains German newsreel footage, the rights to which are held by the German state archive (Bundesarchiv) through their agent, Transit Film. Researchers should exercise caution when using newsreel clips from this film, and consider clearing the rights with Transit, especially if broadcast in Europe.
Keywords: FILM
GAULEITER
GERMANY
GOERING, HERMANN
HITLER YOUTH
HITLER, ADOLF
MILITARY OFFICERS
MILITARY VEHICLES
NAZI OFFICIALS
NAZI PARTY
NUREMBERG (INTERNATIONAL MILITARY TRIBUNAL)
SCHIRACH, BALDUR VON
SPEECHES
WAR
WAR CRIMES COMMISSIONS
WAR CRIMINALS/WAR CRIMES TRIALS
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“NAZI PLAN”
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Phone: 202-488-6104 Fax: 202-314-7820 E-mail: filmvideo@ushmm.org
Col.John Wm. Reed on September 4, 2009 at 7:44 AM
My kids go to private school, they proudly informed me they WILL NOT be subjecting the students to this commie indoctrination.
We don’t go out to eat, we take our vacations in the backyard by the pool and we drive 10 year old cars all so we can afford to protect our kids from this marxist filth, sacrifices well worth it.
Alden Pyle on September 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM
If you are younger than I and have kids you will have this to control the discussion.Long read but will seriously re enforce your disaproval.
The Hitler Youth
Jungsturm Adolf Hitler
Hitler Youth Propaganda poster
In 1920, Adolf Hitler, authorized the formation of a Youth League of the National Socialist Workers’ Party (NSDAP) based upon the principles of an earlier German youth group known as as the Wandervögel. The Wandervögel (translated as “Migratory Bird”) were the German equivalent of the Boy Scouts of America and the World Organization of the Scout Movement.
Wandervögel members had an idealistic, romantic notion of the past, yearning for simpler days when people lived off the land. Wandervögel members distinguished themselves by wearing shorts and hiking boots rather than the starched shirts and creased trousers of the middle class. They believed in the importance of rediscovering nature without any modern conveniences. They sang old German folk songs around the campfire and greeting each other by saying “Heil.”
This new Nazi Youth League attracted very few members at first, competing against numerous other well-established youth groups, and following the failed Munich Beer Hall Putsch and Hitler’s arrest, the Youth League of the NSDAP had been outlawed.
Adolf Hitler with one of the Hitler Youth boys
However with Hitler’s release from prison and the resurgence of the NSDAP, a new Nazi Youth Party was established and headed by Gustav Lenk. In May 1922 Lenk held a beer hall meeting in Munich, to officially proclaim the foundation of League. The Nazi Youth League was formally established small units were created in Nuremberg and other cities.
The growth of the League was slow at first, and in 1922 assistance came from the party newspaper the Völkischer Beobachter which now called for new members, declaring:
“We demand that the National Socialist Youth, and all other young Germans, irrespective of class or occupation, between fourteen and eighteen years of age, whose hearts are affected by the suffering and hardships afflicting the Fatherland, and who later desire to join the ranks of the fighters against the Jewish enemy, the sole originator of our present shame and suffering, enter the Youth League of the NSDAP…”
In May 1923, Lenk published the first Nazi youth magazine, Nationale Jungsturm, which proved to be a money loser and was subsequently diminished to being merely a supplement of the Völkischer Beobachter.
Gustav Lenk maintained strong convictions on exactly how the League should be managed, and soon had a falling out with the party and its leader Adolf Hitler.
Hitler greets members of the Arbeiterjugend
Hitler would tolerate no insurrection within the ranks and Lenk was soon discredited by the party on trumped up charges that he was a traitor and petty thief. Lenk had no recourse and was eventually removed from all party functions and replaced by Kurt Gruber.
Kurt Gruber, who impressed Hitler with his zeal and organizational talent was officially proclaimed as its first leader. On July 4,1926 at a Nazi party rally On Sunday, Gruber’s Greater German Youth Movement was renamed as the Hitler Jugend, with the official name being:
Hitler-Jugend, Bund deutscher Arbeiterjugend (Hitler Youth, League of German Worker Youth)
The Hitler Youth was born!
The Hitler Youth is born
When it originally began, the Hitler Youth was Munich-based only. In 1923, the organization had a little over one thousand members. In 1925, the membership grew to over 5,000. Five years later, national Hitler Youth membership stood at 25,000. By the end of 1932 (a few weeks before the Nazis came to power) it was at 107,956. At the end of 1933, the Hitler Youth had 2,300,000 members.
Kurt Gruber organized the corps under adult leaders, and the general membership comprised boys aged fourteen to eighteen. Gruber initiated new guidelines stipulating that all Hitler Youth members over age 18 had to be Nazi Party members; appointments to high ranking positions required Party approval and Hitler Youths must obey all commands issued by any Nazi Party leader.
Banne Flag of the Hitler Youth
By the end of 1927, a further requirement was that Hitler Youths turning 18 had to join the storm troopers. However, this resulted in a shortage of trained leaders within the upper echelons of the Hitler Youth. The Youth Committee of the NSDAP then worked out an arrangement with the SA allowing valuable members to stay in the Hitler Youth past age 18.
The basic unit of the Hitler Youth was the Banne, the equivalent of a military regiment. There were more than 300 throughout Germany, each of a strength of about 6000 youths. Every unit carried a flag of almost identical design, but the individual Bann was identified by its number, displayed in black on a yellow scroll above the eagle’s head. The flags measured 200 cm long by 145 cm high.
Baldur von Schirach
At the end of 1928, Gruber called for a meeting of the entire Hitler Youth leadership to streamline the organization. That meeting resulted in the addition of a new department for boys aged 10 to 14, later known as the Jungvolk. A separate branch was established for girls, later called the Bund Deutscher Mädel, the League of German Girls, or BDM.
By 1931 Gruber himself ran into difficulties with high ranking members within the NSDAP over his management of the Hitler Youth. He came under fire by SA leader Ernst Röhm who felt the Hitler Youth should be subordinated to the SA. Gruber was often criticized for slow growth of the Hitler Youth ranks when the rest of the party was seeing large increases in membership.
In October of 1931, under increased pressure from Hitler, and Rohm, Gruber resigned as leader of the Hitler Youth and was replaced by the newly appointed Reichsjugendführer (Reich’s Youth Leader) Baldur von Schirach.
The Nazis capitalized on the natural enthusiasm of young people, their craving for action and desire for peer approval, hoping, ultimately, each young person would come to regard his or her Hitler Youth or BDM unit as a home away from home,in some case as an alternative to their real home.
Hitler Youth at a Nazi rally in 1936
Beginning in 1933, every year thereafter was to be given a special theme by the leadership of the Hitler Youth. 1933 was aptly named the “Jahr der Organization” or “the year of organization”.
Many of the HJ activities thus centered on such topics as administration, organization, structure, etc. As a reward for his previous years of service, On June 17th, 1933 Hitler elevated Baldur von Schirach to the new position of “Jugendführer des Deutschen Reiches” answerable only to him.
On December 1st, 1936, a law was enacted which made it mandatory for all German youths to be educated according to the philosophies of Nationalist Socialism from the age of 10 and higher. This was called the Reichsjugenddienstpflicht (mandatory youth service) and it essentially legalized the Hitler Youth movement and organization while also neutralizing nearly every other, non Hitler Youth affiliated youth movement.
Schirach’s goal in 1936 was to enroll the entire population of ten-year-olds throughout Germany into the Hitler Youth as a present for Hitler on his 47th birthday. 1936 became the “Year of the Jungvolk”
In 1937, a Hitler Youth rifle school was also established. About 1.5 million boys were trained in rifle shooting and military field exercises over the next few years with over 50,000 boys earning a marksmanship medal that required near perfect shooting at a distance of 50 meters.
Hitler Youth home in Litsmannstadt “Lodz”
Special Hitler Youth Paramilitary formations for boys eventually included: the Flieger-HJ in which aviation enthusiasts built gliders, participated in annual glider flying competitions, visited Luftwaffe facilities and went for rides in fighters and bombers; the Motor-HJ for boys 16 and older in which they acquired their driver’s license and learned to ride motorcycles; and the Marine-HJ in which they obtained sailing certificates, learned river navigation, and participated in naval exercises aboard German training ships.
In September 1938, the last peacetime Nuremberg rally was held. This event was called “Rally of Greater Germany” (Reichsparteitag Großdeutschland), and hosted nearly 700,000 members of various Nazi Party organizations over its weeklong festivities.
Der Sturmer article depicting Hitler Youth
On Saturday, September 10, over 80,000 Hitler Youths marched into the city stadium and performed military-style parade maneuvers, which they had been practicing for an entire year, ending with a grand finale in which they spelled out the name ‘Adolf Hitler’ in the grandstand.
On November 9 1938, a coordinated destruction broke out in cities, towns and villages throughout the Third Reich. In a single night, Kristallnacht saw the destruction of more than 2,000 Synagogues, and the ransacking of tens of thousands of Jewish businesses and homes.
Although predominantly perpetrated by Nazi SA Storm troopers, German women and children also participated in the riots and destruction of Jewish property. When von Schirach learned that Hitler Youth members had indeed engaged in such offensive actions, he issued an order officially forbidding Hitler Youth members from taking part in any similarly minded actions in the future.
By 1939 the Hitler Youth became the largest youth organization in the world with over 7.3 million strong within its ranks. A new law was issued on March 25, 1939, conscripting any remaining holdouts into the organization amid warnings to parents that unless their children were enrolled they would be forcibly removed and placed in the custody of state run orphanages.
Baldur von Schirach evacuating children from German cities
In 1940 Baldur von Schirach organized the evacuation of 5 million children from cities threatened by Allied bombing. Not wanting to be left out of the war, received Hitler’s permission to volunteer for the army and later that year, he joined the army and volunteered for service in France, where he was awarded the Iron Cross.
He was replaced by Artur Axmann as Reichsjugendführer who immediately began to reform the group into an auxiliary force which could perform war duties. The Hitler Youth became active in German fire brigades and assisted with recovery efforts to German cities affected from Allied bombing.
Artur Axmann
The Hitler Youth also assisted in such organizations as the Reich Postal Service, Reichsbahn, fire services, and Reich radio service, and served among anti-aircraft defense crews.
In 1942, the Hitler Youth established the W-E Lagers. These were special military training camps lasting three weeks in duration. By November of 1942, the Wehrmacht operated 120 W-E Lagers and the SS operated 42 such camps. If all of the Hitler Youth boys at their local school were 17, the whole class was sent to the W-E Lager as a single unit.
13 year old Hitler Youth captured near Nartinzell
The year 1943 marked the military turning point for Hitler’s Reich. In January, the German Sixth Army was destroyed by the Soviets at Stalingrad and the call to arms amongst the ranks of the Hitler Youth was raised. The result was the formation of the 12th SS-Panzer Division Hitlerjugend.
The division was deployed during the Battle of Normandy to be deployed against the British and Canadian forces in the north of Caen. During the following months, the Hitlerjugend division earned itself a reputation for ferocity and fanaticism.
Towards the fall of 1944, many of the Hitler Youth were drafted into service digging anti-tank ditches around eastern German towns to stop the advancing Red Army, and in the west to stem the advance of the Allied forces. Hundreds of miles of trenches were frantically dug by young boys all over the country.
By September of the same year, the war had taken its toll on German youth. The Hitlerjugend division numbered only 600 surviving soldiers, and with little ammunition and no armor, thousands had of young lives were wasted in Normandy and Falaise. The division also participated in the failed Battle of the Bulge, and were later sent to Hungary where they participated in the failed attempt to recapture Budapest.
Member of the Hitler Youth captured by American soldiers
On May 8, 1945, numbering just 455 soldiers and one tank, the 12th SS-Panzer Division Hitlerjugend surrendered to the American 7th Army.
The Hitler Youth formed a major part of the last line of German defense, and were reportedly among the fiercest fighters. The city commander, General Helmuth Weidling, ordered Axmann to disband the Hitler Youth combat formations but the order was never carried out, and many more Hitler Youth died defending Berlin street by street from the ever-advancing Soviet army.
The Hitler Youth was disbanded by Allied authorities as part of the De-Nazification process and many of its leaders were put on trial by Allied authorities for corrupting the hearts and minds of millions of young Germans.
Sources:
The Holocaust Chronicle, Publications International. 2000
Hitler Youth: Growing up in Hitler’s Shadow, Susan Campbell Bartoletti 2005
A History of Us: War, Peace and all that Jazz. Joy Hakim, New York: Oxford University Press
Berlin: The Downfall 1945, Antony Beevor Penguin Books 2002
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich William Shirer, Simon & Schuster 1960
The Holocaust Historical Society
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Col.John Wm. Reed on September 4, 2009 at 7:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw
We don’t need no thoughts control…no dark sarcasm in the classroom….Obama, leave them kids alone.
njpat on September 4, 2009 at 8:34 AM
I thik it reached critical mass for two reasons. First- for many school systems this is the first day of class and wasting (yes wasting time) on a teachable moment simply wasn’t in the schedule. The second reason is that it just wasn’t a speech it was the overreach of lesson plans from the Dept. of Education to help the “schoochildren” better appreciate their time with dear leader.
highhopes on September 4, 2009 at 8:35 AM
Zaire, you’re infected!
DarkCurrent on September 4, 2009 at 8:39 AM
I think the message of a mixed race young man who graduated high school, college, law school, elected to the US Senate and as POTUS is a good one. It should be inspiring to many youth in the country.
But the video needs to be previewed by the public WEEKS before airing with maybe a 5 minute LIVE pep talk.
barnone on September 4, 2009 at 8:42 AM
I really wouldn’t mind normally if a President were to address the students to encourage them to work hard and enlighten their minds, but when a President who made claims of wanting to build a ‘Civilian Army’ as well funded as the Department of Defense, among other comments he has said in the past sends out prep literature that asks children to ‘think differently’ and ‘think about what they can do for Obama’ on the eve of Involuntary Servitude Day, it gets a little creepy.
Here in the Midwest, the schools are going nuts. Some are not showing Obama’s speech, some are offering it, but not requiring it, but they are all in a panic from all of the phone calls they have been getting.
I’m guessing Obama will clean up the message, and make it sound like a ‘Go Team’ moment and try to point at the right and claim we are fear-mongering again.
It is seemingly a pattern, trying to isolate the right by invoking suspect behavior to get a response, then back off a little and claim the right is ‘crying wolf’.
Repeat until the masses are tired of hearing the right crying wolf, then go for the kill.
cntrlfrk on September 4, 2009 at 8:43 AM
You ‘necks should be sure to send your kids to school that day. Having you zeroes as parents puts them behind the 8 ball as it is. Gotta break that cycle of being angry white losers. Nascar=Bad Education=Good.
simplesimon on September 4, 2009 at 8:54 AM
People know Bozo is a socialist through to the core. They didn’t want to believe it, but Bozo has rubbed their faces in it for seven months.
W and Reagan were not socialists.
People are waking up. The Giant woke up.
dogsoldier on September 4, 2009 at 9:00 AM
You’re adorable!! Personally I prefer a more sophisticated humor/dry wit, but, your shtick is particularly endearing. Keep it up!
Mommypundit on September 4, 2009 at 9:01 AM
When parents see this GQ photo of The Obama, they’re sure to keep ‘em home!
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Cybergeezer on September 4, 2009 at 9:03 AM
Apparently you really enjoy complaining about the weather. Boo hoo, rain!!
simplesimon on September 4, 2009 at 9:05 AM
I can tell that your copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People is dog-eared and heavily worn.
ElectricPhase on September 4, 2009 at 9:06 AM
The truth is not always kind. Your ilk is slipping fast.
simplesimon on September 4, 2009 at 9:10 AM
Good advice. Too bad your parents didn’t decide that the same advice would later be important for your future. Simple is an apt description.
Yoop on September 4, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Presidents often heart school kids…
President Bush’s plea for American children to aid Afghan kids with dollar bills, was exemplary.
Mark Halperin even wrote…
What’s not to like folks, with Presidents having dialogs with school kids…?
Geezer on September 4, 2009 at 9:12 AM
Keep up the fight. After 30 years in the classroom, it is not really Obama that is the problem. It is the teachers. Obama’s message is pretty creepy, but not to kids. It is the lesson plan and activities afterwards that is the problem. Why would any of them need to help Obama? They need to learn to work on themselves.
I never saw a picture of Ronald Reagan in any of my schools. Same for Nixon or Bush I. There were plenty of JFK, Carter, and Clinton.
I can’t stress this enough for parents. Get involved in your child’s school and what goes on there. PTA isn’t enough. Check everything that your child brings home. Homework, announcements, text books, activity programs, etc. etc. Do not assume that if you leave your child in the school’s care that they are teaching them things that you want to be taught. Way too many of my teacher friends’ children had to be re-taught when they came home.
Why do you think so many folks have opted for home schooling? Why do you think the Libs are trying in CA to stop this trend? They need control of the kid’s minds.
BetseyRoss on September 4, 2009 at 9:12 AM
And we had that moment of inspiration on 1/20/09. Time to move on.
highhopes on September 4, 2009 at 9:13 AM
I finally heard about this in my district yesterday–we were sent the Duncan letter to principals, a letter to send home if we plan to show it so parents can opt out, and that’s about it. No mandate, no suggestion, only that a “few” parents complained about it.
I’m guessing that it was more than a few.
Bob's Kid on September 4, 2009 at 9:15 AM
Don’t miss the obvious waking moment that parents needed a long time ago. Let this be the beginning of the real backlash against public education.
True_King on September 4, 2009 at 9:28 AM
Give me a break. You people are without a shred of honesty. This is about partisan politics pure and simple. Funny how the Cheney-brand of “creeping authoritarianism as government” (surveillance of US citizens, wiretaps, cooked intelligence etc.) sits well with you.
You’re just pi**ed because the ‘other team’ gets to play cop now.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 9:38 AM
I think what we should be doing is ridiculing his every excessive move, and loudly.
Obama’s weakness is that he is *very* thin-skinned. It’s the flip side to his hubris. The more people see him becoming frustrated, banal, and petty, the more they will begin to realize that the “God” has feet of clay, and is nothing more than a crass political hack.
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 9:39 AM
Well looky here, maw! Our buddy is back!
Hey, Grow Fins, still unable to use your noggin to offer up a logical argument, eh?
But please do keep on offering the accusational summaries, the incendiary language, and without a shred of proof.
Knock yourself out, buddy :)
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 9:42 AM
What a frikkin’ moron. Barry is the most inept executive to ever assume such power.
Wanderlust: well put. Barry has an infinite reserve of self-confidence, so long as he’s never questioned. Funny how many socialists suffer from that dichotomy. Could it possibly be because none of their beliefs have any intellectual merit?
In which case, we should all take just a little time out of each day to do something like this.
One Against Many on September 4, 2009 at 9:44 AM
Cara Mendelsohn (who was quoted) is President of the Plano, TX PTA. Unless my wife convinces me not to do so, I’m sending her an email asking her to resign because she’s made Plano the laughing stock of the civilized world.
Jimbo3 on September 4, 2009 at 9:54 AM
Public education and the opportunity to pursue it; has made our country the great and prosperous nation it is today.
Geezer on September 4, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Proof? Like the the “proof” that Obama was going to “indoctrinate” children.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Our high school doesn’t have the capability to have all kids log online. Social Studies teachers will be “discussing” in class. Superintendent’s secretary didn’t know if there was an option to “opt out”. She said she will find out and get back to me.
ctmom on September 4, 2009 at 10:04 AM
This is insane. Are your kids so weak, and is your influence over them so weak that they can’t hear the President speak for twenty minutes about the importance of doing your homework, without their minds being permanently corrupted? It borders on conspiracy theory to think that Obama is trying to control your kids minds, and borders on stupidity to think that he could. The worse message that could get into your kids at such a young age is that there is something deeply sinister about all authority figures. Is that what you want to teach them? Because from that comes distrust of teachers, coaches, police officers, and eventually….parents. You are using your children to express displaced outrage about your own politics rather than sincerely trying to protect them from a manufactured threat. Get a grip.
pleaseandthankyou on September 4, 2009 at 10:04 AM
Them’s afeared of the Muslim. He’s a terrurrist, you know.
simplesimon on September 4, 2009 at 10:09 AM
FU simplesimon. Your opinions are 1000 times more pathetic than anything else I’ve read on this site.
pleaseandthankyou on September 4, 2009 at 10:11 AM
Pleasantly stated and thank you.
Geezer on September 4, 2009 at 10:13 AM
Perhaps you might want to read up on John McDonogh and his bequest of funds for education upon his death in the cities of Baltimore and New Orleans, in equal measure. What I find interesting is this: the NOLA public school system used the funds for buildings, whereas the Baltimore donation funded a single private school.
Compare and contrast the scholarship of students at the private McDonogh School in Owings Mills, MD to the scholarship of students in the New Orleans Public School System.
There is simply no contest. The NOLA public school system is horrible. And yes, I grew up not far from New Orleans. I was thankful I never attended school there.
But of course the union thugs posing as teachers in the NEA will never admit that their performance almost never comes close to that of private schools. Never.
Remember how Obama killed a voucher program for the private school to which he now sends his own daughters? It was one of his first acts as President, btw. Think on that.
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 10:20 AM
the new pledge, Obambi style, I’m sure all liberals and atheists will love it:
I pledge allegiance to the fags of the divided states of AmeriKKKa, and to the Democrats for which they fornicate, one dictatorship under Obama, with entitlements and massive taxes for all. Heil Barack.
kirkill on September 4, 2009 at 10:22 AM
The Boss has been posting info about the Chicago Annenburg Challenge, and Obama’s buddy Bill Ayers’ desire to effect “revolution” through the educational system, on her blog for some time now. If you were serious, you’d have a read of it. That is, “if”.
Have you never heard the saying, “Lie with dogs, and get up with fleas”?
Obama may not be directly planning to indoctrinate children. However, his surrogates in education have done it repeatedly over the past year. See the youtube vid that sven1077 linked to in his post at 1:51AM for a glaring example.
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Today I am pleased with my kids’ public school. Here is an excerpt of the disctrict’s statement (I suspect they recieved a few calls from concerned parents):
“…We have made the decision to not show the president’s talk during the school day. This decision was made to honor class time throughout the district, and because we have no opportunity for prior review to determine if it relates to curriculum, is appropriate for all age levels, and is non-partisan regardless of the political party in office…”
krr on September 4, 2009 at 10:26 AM
The “proof” that Obama WANTED to indoctrinate kids is in the lesson plan that they had to do the ol’ two step backwards from. The arrogance is palpable. It’s just another Cult of Personality attempt. And yes, my kids are strong enough to discern liberal crappola, but the majority of Americans are sadly idiots. And they don’t teach their kids, and the public schools don’t teach kids how to discern right from wrong.
kirkill on September 4, 2009 at 10:30 AM
If Obama’s school children address is “no big deal,” why not release the full text of it at least 24 hours in advance so parents can decide for themselves?
HadithHarry on September 4, 2009 at 10:35 AM
I’m happy to say the school district here has decided NOT to participate. So my kids will go to school that day, after all.
Daggett on September 4, 2009 at 10:43 AM
I really don’t care what he says. It’s obvious, especially from the materials they had to remove, that this is a cult of personality thing. He’s trying to establish himself in the minds of children (and everyone else) that he is the dear leader
Hugo ChavezBarack Obama. This, alone, promote his “you are all servants of the state” agenda enough to protest it.Like Hugo Chavez, he seems to think that if he just gets on TV enough, people will fall in line with his statist/communist ideals.
Daggett on September 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM
He won’t release the text because it probably is controversial. The goons at Education are busy rewriting it now.
PattyJ on September 4, 2009 at 10:53 AM
Good idea. While we are at it, lets get transcripts of everything their teachers will say to them before they say it, and let’s read the scripts to all the movies and TV shows, before they watch them. And let’s ask all of their friends, and their friend’s parents what’s going to come out of their mouths before they speak.
I didn’t vote for Obama, but at the same time, I’m not going to bust an artery because he wants to tell my kid about the importance of homework and respecting their teachers. Alternatively, you are teaching your kids to hate the President, something they will find very confusing because they don’t know what “the public option” means or what the word “socialized’ means, nor do they care. That effect of your cynicism is more damaging to them at this stage than anything that will come out of the President’s mouth.
pleaseandthankyou on September 4, 2009 at 10:55 AM
Huh? What a leap. Sheesh.
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM
I think kids can handle 20 minutes alone with him. Besides, if the boss is right that the real threat here will be teachers using this as a pretext for more politicized lessons going forward, what does it matter if the kids watch Obama or not? It’s what comes later that’s the concern…. Allah
Of course my kid can handle 20 min of P-Bo… But I already have to spend enough time deprogramming my Lad anyway… Why would I want even more? The things that come home in the schoolbag are often infuriating enough.
paragon27x on September 4, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Dick Gephardt has this to say on Bush using the schools “for Partisan purposes in 1991….”
“change” what a difference the president having a (d) makes…
sven10077 on September 4, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 10:20 AM
I have always been an advocate of local control by elected school boards to make the best decisions with respect to how monies will be spent for the common good of the district.
I find your comparison with respect to allocations between the New Orleans school district in 1850 and the private McDonough School in Baltimore some 159 years hence; to be somewhat nebulous, since neither you nor I can be cognizant of the specific local requirements at that time.
Considering the recent effects of the hurricane Katrina, I believe the city of New Orleans, today; would be well advised to spend money on the improvement or replacement of damaged buildings and infrastructure.
Geezer on September 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM
I presume you can prove those statements?
I have seen a lot of fishy talk on the intertubes about how no one has seen the ‘Won’s transcripts. Is it you we should thank for hiding them?
As for inspiration, how he was ‘elected’ to the state senate is truly INSPIRING.
Blacksmith8 on September 4, 2009 at 11:22 AM
It might not have been such a bad idea in Germany in the late 30s come to think of it. Or in Venezuela in the past 5 years.
I teach my kids to hate the ideas that are destroying America. But I’ve told them time and again the best way to deal with that is to always study the issues, vote and don’t be afraid to say what is right.
But you have heard of “peer pressure” haven’t you?
kirkill on September 4, 2009 at 11:23 AM
So what? That’s the whole point. This isn’t a decision the government gets to make. This whole exercise has no real educational value and is at best just another contribution to Obama’s hagiography.
That’s not the point. Do really not see the principled argument here?
Beside’s, the Executive is one of three co-equal branches of government. You could make the case that if it’s OK for Obama, then It’s OK for Pelosi, Reid and Roberts to do the same. And why not Bonior or McConnell?
RadClown on September 4, 2009 at 11:25 AM
I love it when children like to talk up like their parents. They’re so cute.
itsspideyman on September 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Well, buddy, here’s the deal.
I am from the New Orleans area. Don’t even go there on Katrina; the storm was a minor Cat III by the time it hit the city. Most of the damage in the city came from a levee breach that was caused by shoddy engineering and project management by the US Army Corps of Engineers. If you care to delve into that subject, have a look at this site.
Facts, not politics.
I also lived in Owings Mills, MD for almost 18 months several years ago, very close to the McDonogh School. It was the first time I had become aware of the dual nature of McDonogh’s bequest, having been previously aware of his donation to the New Orleans school system.
Buildings do not make a school. Dedicated teachers who are allowed to actually teach and uphold discipline in their classes make a school great. The principal of my alma mater in Louisiana – yes, a public school, but one that is increasingly becoming the exception – has held that job for over 30 years. I talked with him personally last October in regards to the things he and his staff had to do to ensure that classes went on in a parish that had suffered 99% destruction of residential homes due to Katrina’s flooding – not the USACoE fiasco flooding of the 17th St. Canal 36 hours *after* the storm passed, but the storm surge which accompanied the eye of the hurricane as it passed directly over the town, some 25 miles east (which was caused, in turn, by another USACoE disaster, the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet, or MRGO). They managed to make do and hold classes for weeks with donations of tents.
My point in offering up the comparison between the Owings Mills school and the NOLA public school system was this: in MD, the investment was used to create a private school which flourishes to this day because of the high standards of scholarship which flourish in an educational setting which is free from the union-led excesses of the NEA. The NOLA schools, by comparison, are a textbook case of focusing on protecting teachers rather than teaching students.
For years, what made my public high school great is that we competed in sports and educational excellence with the private Catholic schools of the area. The competition kept us sharp. The NOLA system has no such competitive tension between it and private schools. But it does have some of the worst excesses of the teacher’s unions. Study the way that school system operates. I have.
You can look at how a live oak tree has grown over the years and surmise its condition against its local environment. The same goes for institutions such as schools.
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 11:39 AM
From ed.gov – a preview of our next new crisis…..
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7. Is the “Get Schooled” television event in the evening on Sept. 8 hosted by the Viacom network and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation connected to the president’s speech?
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While the U.S. Department of Education is a partner in this effort, the president’s noontime address is a separate event. Get Schooled is a five-year national platform developed by Viacom and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that connects, inspires, and mobilizes people to find effective solutions to education challenges. The initiative provides resources, information, and creative programming aimed at engaging a range of audiences in an effort to address America’s education crisis. A television event, Get Schooled: You Have the Right, formally kicks off the “Get Schooled” initiative at 8:00 p.m., ET on Sept. 8.
crom on September 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Here’s abother golden ‘Hitler Youth’ moment from back in the ’80s, courtesy of the Great Communicator himself:
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 11:41 AM
another.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 11:41 AM
You ‘necks should be sure to send your kids to school that day. Having you zeroes as parents puts them behind the 8 ball as it is. Gotta break that cycle of being angry white losers. Nascar=Bad Education=Good.
simplesimon
You, Sir are a shining example of why I feel compelled to take an active interest into just what liberal tripe that is fed to my kids in School, and correct it…
Your Parents obviously did not.
Not to mention the glaring errors and ommisions I have found in their textbooks.
paragon27x on September 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM
Yes, that’s accurate. President Obama giving a twenty minute talk to school kids is like Hitler encouraging mass slaughter of six million Jews. . If you believe the hysteria that Obama is just like Hitler then you are no better than Code-Pink wackos who said the same thing about Bush. Like I said, get a grip.
pleaseandthankyou on September 4, 2009 at 11:43 AM
As my children’s ‘First teacher’, I’ve made sure they already understand that. How do you know what he intended to say? What is it that clouds your vision? What part of the question
don’t you understand?
And before I start ignoring your posts, tell me, what year is it in your world?
Blacksmith8 on September 4, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Can’t hardly keep the smile off my face.
DuctTapeMyBrain on September 4, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Better not let your teacher see you playing on the computer when you are supposed to be doing schoolwork!
lovingmyUSA on September 4, 2009 at 12:00 PM
In a more perfect world perhaps we could all be so fortunate, as to attend a well funded private school.
Unfortunately, the opportunity to attend a private school is not a realistic alternative for most of us.
With that though in mind; I suggest we become concerned and involved parents and grandparents with respect to the continuing operations of our locally controlled public schools.
Geezer on September 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM
GRowfins and Simpleton, what would you think if BO preached the Gospel of Christ and talked about Heaven and Hell in his message to the students? That of course would surprize everyone because BO and other leftists figure they don’t need the Lord because they have their super gov’t to worship. If by chance BO surprized everyone with that, would you approve of that message?
garydt on September 4, 2009 at 12:10 PM
Hey Nascar it is obvious that you have a Michael Moore GED. I would bet your kid is as squirelly as you are. Maybe you will get an invite to the beer fest when this is all over.
As I see it, its your muslim freind who’s desperate not the necks. I would also bet your waiting for him to pay your mortgage to date. Nascar is a good side-step for a name. If you showed up at any Nascar event you’d leave knowing what a good ass-whooooooping is. Idiots at
Daily Kos might cheer you but your a first class idiot here.
bluegrass on September 4, 2009 at 12:11 PM
With voucher programs, like the one that Obama killed at his daughters’ school, we can be “so fortunate”.
If we are allowed to “opt out” of paying for education in a system we don’t want, and can take those funds and apply them to a system that we do want, we can afford it.
However, Obama and the NEA enjoy sticking their hands into our wallets much too much to allow such a heresy to stand.
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 12:12 PM
Curiously, Hitler never “announced” the death camp/extermination of Jews.
The operation was completely secret and kept so by the Wannsee Protocol.
(It was only revealed to the world by Adolph Eichman.)
But NObama is like Hitler and a Fascist in that he’s trying to indoctrinate our nation’s children en masse, he’s nationalized several industries and he’s developing a cult of personality–common traits of many dictators, including Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jung-Il and Mao Tse Tung.
Given what he’s done or tried to do in the last 7 months, it’s not in the realm of “Code Pink wackos” to make a NObama-Hitler connection.
(BTW, Hilter took power in 1933, but didn’t set up the death camps until 1941.)
Jenfidel on September 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM
wb Jen.
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Any one that tries to compare NObama to the great Ronaldus Magnus in any way is SCUM.
America will try to forget MaObama was pResident, while we will forever cherish the memory of President Reagan.
Jenfidel on September 4, 2009 at 12:16 PM
Cheers, Wanderlust! and Good Morning! :-)
Jenfidel on September 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM
Just got an email from our new and excellent Catholic High School principal: I examined the teaching suggestions attached to the Education Secretary’s letter, which gave few details of what the specific content of the President’s speech would be. The documents attached to the Secretary’s letter contained a collection of instructional strategies which could be used to address the speech in classes. Given the absence of specific information on what this speech contains, and our already full curriculum for our first full day of school, we will not be airing the speech. I have emailed the Superintendent and informed the faculty of my decision.
I am so proud of this guy because, due to our location, he is going to get some blow-back.
Haunches on September 4, 2009 at 12:21 PM
(BTW, Hilter took power in 1933, but didn’t set up the death camps until 1941.)
Jenfidel on September 4, 2009 at 12:14 PM
We can’t say we didn’t warn them. Them being the blind sheeple with Obama tingles in their legs.
kirkill on September 4, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Oddly enough, I don’t recall Reagan’s speech being used by the Dept of Education as an opportunity to write letters to him, with answers to the question, “what are you going to do for your President?” and such mess…
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM
Not oddly enough, your partisan memory is highly selective. Reagan discussed gun issues with the children.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Do you miss the common sense in that? Did he have a lesson plan to get the kids to think about what Obama said about education and write an essay on how fabulous he is?
kirkill on September 4, 2009 at 12:30 PM
You mean he dared discuss the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution? Scandalous, that…!
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 12:31 PM
Silly non-argument.
Not pertinent.
School children aren’t required by their school to watch movies and TV shows on school time, on school property.
More silliness.
That’s not what he’s going to say.
Nor should the POTUS have to say it.
There’s no teaching of “hate” about it.
Political dissent and partisan differences with the current POTUS is perfectly natural in American home and school life.
48% of us didn’t vote for Obama, while he continues to pursue a purely partisan Leftist Liberal Democrat position as pResident.
Children need to be taught what’s appropriate for adults to do and for the President to commandeer the TV and the classroom to promote his DemocRat partisan program is inappropriate.
The fact that no other President has even done this should be a heads up to every one.
We elect a President.
We don’t have or want a dictator who abrogates all rights, including parental ones.
Jenfidel on September 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM
So I’m right. It’s not the principle of a POTUS addressing school children you object to, but the person. You couldn’t care less if Reagan or Bush or (hilarious thought) Palin addressed children directly about God, guns, and gays.
If anyone is “SCUM” around here, it’s unprincipled hysterics like you. Hitler = Obama?
What a fool you are.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 12:32 PM
On C-Span.
Participation was purely voluntary and on a school-by-school basis.
NObama’s Dear Leader address takes this all to a new level–a frightening, creepy, worship-your-dictator kind of level.
The USA is a nation of laws, not of men.
And that includes the President.
Jenfidel on September 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM
Oh, dear…here we go again. Love how you tried to put words in her mouth, silly guy. No logic, no argument of a position, just assumptions. Lovely.
Wanderlust on September 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM
How do you know?
Are you actually an idiot or do you just play one on the internet? Reagan did the same and more. See above.
Sigh.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I missed have missed those instructions from the DOE.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 12:37 PM
S
Sorry, who’s the fool?
Reagan didn’t issue an edict that all the nation’s schools listen to his program.
Nor did the Reagan White House issue lesson plans to go along with his speech.
Neither you nor NObama are fit to lick Ronald Reagan’s shoes!
No President before NObama has venture to lecture our nation’s schoolchildren about anything.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Jenfidel on September 4, 2009 at 12:37 PM
Your memory is selective Growfins and you forget all the names they called Reagan and GWB, and are you saying we should not do that with a leftist type president that we have now? I say leftist is because he supports the leftist who tried to hang on to power in Honduras. He also has appointed this Rev. Wright type guy called Van Jones who would probably support a more Soviet type of government then the one we have had the last two hundred years. Remember communist nations never have an illegal immigration problem because they have to build fences to keep their people in.
garydt on September 4, 2009 at 12:38 PM
must have. Cripes.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 12:38 PM
Neither did Obama.
Ronald Reagan did. Go look it up.
Grow Fins on September 4, 2009 at 12:39 PM
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