August job losses outstrip expectations; Update: Initial claims still at 570K, retail sales off

posted at 12:17 pm on September 3, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

How will the Washington Post report the latest assessment of job losses in August?  Earlier this week, the Post said that the expected loss of 228,000 jobs would give “strong evidence that improvement in the economy is finally filtering through to the job market.”  Unfortunately for the Post’s attempts to spin a growth in unemployment from 9.4% to 9.5% as great news for the Obama administration, job losses were more than 30% above expectations, according to the Wall Street Journal:

Service-sector employment declined by 146,000 in August, while goods-producing jobs including construction and manufacturing fell by 152,000, according to Automatic Data Processing Inc., a payroll firm.

The combined loss of 298,000 jobs was an improvement from July’s revised drop of 360,000 and was less than half the pace of declines seen earlier this year. …

Still, many were hoping to see more of an improvement in August now that key sectors of the economy, such as manufacturing and the housing market, are showing some encouraging signs.

ADP tends to be slightly more pessimistic than the Bureau of Labor Statistics, so that number will come in a little lower in tomorrow’s BLS reports.  Why?  ADP only surveys private-sector jobs.  As the WSJ notes, government has expanded its hiring by 2,000 each month this year, on average.

Regardless, the August numbers belie the notion that a significant recovery is upon us in the job market.  The CBO made that plain enough for everyone last week, when it predicted net job losses throughout 2010.  Economies do not recover through job losses, although they eventually recover despite them.

What is also plain enough is that the stimulus has done very little to stimulate, now more than six months after its passage.  Joe Biden will make the mistake today of bragging about Porkulus rolling ahead of schedule, which should prompt people to ask — where’s the stimulus?

Vice President Joe Biden will claim Thursday that the $787 billion stimulus plan “is doing more, faster, more efficiently, and more effectively than we had hoped.”

In a speech planned to mark the 200-day mark since the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act took effect, Biden will say that $62.5 billion in tax cuts have been delivered, $1.9 billion contracts have been awarded to small businesses, and more than 10,000 transportation projects approved.

If so, then why has the money slowed?  If Porkulus is ahead of schedule, then why haven’t we seen an economic stimulus?  The President’s Council of Economic Advisers justified the spending of $787 billion on the prediction that it would create enough jobs to keep unemployment under 8%.  We’re now heading towards 10% and above without a single sign that this massive spending has done anything but stimulate the government.

Update: Initial claims also didn’t decline as much as analysts predicted, and more bad news comes from the retailers:

The Labor Department said the number of laid-off workers applying for benefits dipped to 570,000 last week from an upwardly revised 574,000. That was a weaker performance than the drop to 560,000 claims that economists expected.

The number of people receiving jobless benefits totaled 6.23 million, up 92,000 from the previous week, which had been the lowest level since early April. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters had expected that number, which lags new claims by a week, to fall to 6.13 million. ….

Most retailers posted sales declines last month as shoppers restrained back-to-school purchases to focus on necessities. Discounters did better than upscale chains, but the results Thursday raised further concern about the upcoming holiday season.

I suspect the overall unemployment number may go higher than 9.5% tomorrow, as the Post predicted.

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The adults are in charge now.

Del Dolemonte on September 3, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Green shoots! The recession is over!

AUINSC on September 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

But, but, but, my Democrats in Oregon have assured me that Bush’s recession is almost over!

Browncoatone on September 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Vice President Joe Biden will claim Thursday that the $787 billion stimulus plan “is doing more, faster, more efficiently, and more effectively than we had hoped.”

So they do want to destroy our economy.

WashJeff on September 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

We are the Gubmint, and we are here to *slaps hands together* Pump, you up!

But on a side note. Is this really a surprise to anyone?

Depression, it’s a coming…. get ready for it!

upinak on September 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Didn’t you all hear? Biden said 750K new jobs were created by the stimulus. Why all the sad faces?

angryed on September 3, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Obama is president now.

298,000 jobs lost is great, wonderful, terrific, awe-inspiring news.

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

fogw on September 3, 2009 at 12:21 PM

If Porkulus is ahead of schedule, then why haven’t we seen an economic stimulus?

Because we have pig flu to talk about, don’t ya know?

Knucklehead on September 3, 2009 at 12:23 PM

The recession is over. The depression has started.

angryed on September 3, 2009 at 12:24 PM

So, Biden is saying that the stimulus is working faster and more efficiently than they planned on. Guess that means they will have to put the breaks on it. Can’t let this crisis be over just yet.

Kissmygrits on September 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM

Remain calm, all is well!

NickelAndDime on September 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM

The recession is over. The depression has started.

angryed on September 3, 2009 at 12:24 PM

dry goods and canned goods…. time to start buying.

upinak on September 3, 2009 at 12:25 PM

But, but, but, my Democrats in Oregon have assured me that Bush’s recession is almost over!

Browncoatone on September 3, 2009 at 12:20 PM

Just wait till John Kitzhaber wins the Governorship again.

Good Bad times.

portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 12:28 PM

That’s right-Obama won!!! He needs to remind us,again.

mobydutch on September 3, 2009 at 12:28 PM

How will the Washington Post report the latest assessment of job losses in August?

Apparently the WSJ has given them the clue:

The combined loss of 298,000 jobs was an improvement from July’s revised drop of 360,000

Like some great cartoon I saw recently, the sinking ship named American Economy is bow-down vertical in the water and Obama is trumpeting that it is only sinking 85% as fast as it was sinking last month.

Christian Conservative on September 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Biden: Well, it’s obvious to me we just didn’t spend enough. Nancy get on it.

HoustonRight on September 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Does anyone know the comedian, Lewis Black? In one of his skits he talks about Clinton boasting that he improved Arkansas schools from like 50th to 49th (or something like that.) Lewis went on and on about how lame that is and it’s not worth mentioning. Instead of their schools being “$hitty, $hitty, $hitty,” they’re now “stinky, farty, smelly” like everyone’s supposed to be happy.

It’s a sad day when anyone can be happy when job losses just aren’t as “$hitty” as expected.

Oink on September 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Obama and his merry band of socialists and communists may lie, obfuscate and manipulate but those that trust him and believe him are just hopelessly stupid.

rplat on September 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

We’re now heading towards 10% and above without a single sign that this massive spending has done anything but stimulate the government.

Aye! And that government is growing with the speed of a malignant tumor.

4shoes on September 3, 2009 at 12:30 PM

“Unexpected………” from the MSM.

JoeinTX on September 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM

The WaPo can spin as hard as it wants. If you want to know whether this is good or bad news, look to the market reactions. Yesterday, dow, naz and s/p500 were all down on the news. Not down a lot, but still down. Had this been the great news WaPo thinks it is, dow would have been up 200.

angryed on September 3, 2009 at 12:31 PM

That Bush economy with 5% unemployment and $250B deficits is looking pretty good right now isn’t it?

Good thing we got that heaping pile of change! We might have continued with all that prosperity otherwise!

Don’t worry though, I’m sure all those who’ve lost their jobs are enjoying their funployment.

18-1 on September 3, 2009 at 12:32 PM

The whole slew of government statistics is a joke. I wonder if Goldman Sachs isn’t running government data? This weeks claims were 570,000. The 2008 high from what I can deduce from this chart were 564,000.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuilder?ticker1=INJCJC%3AIND

click on 1 year

So, if the numbers are accurate, we are down to the 2008 high in job losses eligible for unemployment. Logically, this many people don’t lose their jobs week after week and a rough like number get them back. Historically, the number is in the 320,000 range and that will run unemployment sideways with about 150,000 people a month entering the labor force. It would be highly doubtful the 150,000 people would be absorbed along with all but maybe 125,000 of those losing their jobs when job losses are running a rougy 4.3 times 240,000. This is over 1 million job losses a month above what would generally absorb new entrants. The government is telling us unemployment is rising about 300,000 a month or less. I would venture we have lost at a minimum 7 million jobs in 2008 and it is clear that over 6 million are still drawing unemployment who entered this program this year. This clearly indicates 1 million a month have been added into this pile and who know how many have come out of the backside of it with no job.

So, it is quite likely we get a job loss number for this month of 300,000 or so, if the estimates are to be believed and quite likely the number comes in lower so estimates can be beaten. Estimates are clearly the biggest bunch of crap ever put out to the American public and Goebbels would be proud.

KentAllard on September 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM

Biden: Well, it’s obvious to me we just didn’t spend enough. Nancy get on it.

HoustonRight on September 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM

Robert Reich made that claim just yesterday.

MarkTheGreat on September 3, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Not MY expectations.

TexasJew on September 3, 2009 at 12:34 PM

Didn’t you all hear? Biden said 750K new jobs were created by the stimulus. Why all the sad faces?

angryed on September 3, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Did Obama hire those Lancet guys who claimed at least 6 billion people died in the Iraq war to generate his “jobs saved” number?

18-1 on September 3, 2009 at 12:34 PM

But think of where we’d be without all those jobs saved by President-for-Life Obooba.

Akzed on September 3, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Let’s apply Democrat budget reasoning to job losses. In the budget process, a reduction in the rate of growth is a budget cut — and considered draconian. An actual decrease in a budget item (fictitious I must admit) is inhumane.

Therefore, any decrease in the rate of job creation should be viewed as draconian job cuts. In the present environment, we have an actual decrease in jobs — Inhumane! By extension, then, Porkulus has been absolutely inhumane and those who are responsible for it should be denounced as such and be relentlessly hounded out of office.

ObjectionSustained on September 3, 2009 at 12:35 PM

Gold and gold mining stocks have absolutely surged in the past two days. Insider selling of stock is enormously higher than insider buying. The sheeple are being led back to the slaughter, while the so-called “smart money” rushes to the exits. Beware this very dangerous economy. Keep cash at home. The FDIC is dangerously low on money, and is allowing failed institutions to stay in business to avoid having to find the money to pay the depositors. No joke.

JiangxiDad on September 3, 2009 at 12:36 PM

Related MSM Headline: New Claims About Palin From Levi!

LibTired on September 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Don’t worry though, I’m sure all those who’ve lost their jobs are enjoying their funployment.

18-1 on September 3, 2009 at 12:32 PM

It won’t be funployment much longer. Many are droping off the unemployment rolls as benefits expire. This is why the true unemployment is rapidly approaching 20%. The ADS and BLS both don’t count what they consider those who have given up looking for work(translated means no more benefits available).

HoustonRight on September 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Biden will be out soon telling us how wonderful it is for the folks living in a cardboard village in central park.

The administration is living in self delusion, a fantasy in their own minds.

dogsoldier on September 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

nothing to see here just move along

PatriotRider on September 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Vice President Joe Biden will claim Thursday that the $787 billion stimulus plan “is doing more, faster, more efficiently, and more effectively than we had hoped.”

Just as we all had feared.

jukin on September 3, 2009 at 12:39 PM

Funemployment is increasing. That’s nice.

lorien1973 on September 3, 2009 at 12:39 PM

loss of 298,000 jobs .. but how many were “save” ? LOL

J_Crater on September 3, 2009 at 12:40 PM

CNN money (in AMfix) kinda suggested that the recession was over or ending

I tried to post a thread but it failed.

The article admitted that Porkulus was criticized.

The thrust of the article was wondering who should get the credit. You know, for fixing the economy.

Can anyone guess who CNN thinks deserves the credit???

IlikedAUH2O on September 3, 2009 at 12:41 PM

And the hits just keep on coming…..

fbcmusicman on September 3, 2009 at 12:41 PM

Great News! Over 270,000 mission critical federal jobs now available!

Fletch54 on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

It won’t be funployment much longer. Many are droping off the unemployment rolls as benefits expire. This is why the true unemployment is rapidly approaching 20%. The ADS and BLS both don’t count what they consider those who have given up looking for work(translated means no more benefits available).

HoustonRight on September 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

IIRC, one of the heads of the Fed said the real unemployment rate is around 16%. Three times the rate under Bush which the media complained about…a lot.

I can only hope many member of the State Media will soon get to enjoy some funployment themselves…

18-1 on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

The only unemployment figure to care about is 100%.

100% unemployment for congressional Ds in 2010 and for one B.H. Obama in 2012.

TXUS on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Hey, trolls, where are you?

Knucklehead on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act took effect, Biden will say that $62.5 billion in tax cuts have been delivered, $1.9 billion contracts have been awarded to small businesses, and more than 10,000 transportation projects approved.

Okay – so whose offshore accounts are being padded with the $1.9 billion?

It’s not that I don’t trust these people or anything.

tru2tx on September 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM

I think after Christmas you are going to see really major damage and job loss. Most retailers make a good chunk of their annual budget during the holiday rush and this year is looking very bad. Expect these numbers to climb through spring unless something drastic happens. With the policies this Congress and Administration are trying to ram through, expect it to get much worse, folks.

BakerAllie on September 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM

OT — can anyone access the kcstar story on Hastert blaming the healthcare debacle on Pelosi? Their server seems to be slammed.

John the Libertarian on September 3, 2009 at 12:45 PM

Hey, trolls, where are you?

Knucklehead on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

They are on the unemployment line

PatriotRider on September 3, 2009 at 12:46 PM

The people in the photo sure look all wee-wee’d up, don’t they??! C’mon, it’s FUNemployment, y’all!

sheeesh.

atlgal on September 3, 2009 at 12:46 PM

never mind.

John the Libertarian on September 3, 2009 at 12:46 PM

BakerAllie on September 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM

If companies aren’t hiring soon and filling up their inventories for christmas, the season is going to suck and 2010 will be awful as well.

The vendors I deal with certainly are not restocking a lot of items. Some, still, haven’t ordered much of anything for this year. So I’m not expecting a good season this year. And it’s pretty depressing.

lorien1973 on September 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM

Early reports are that the back to school sales have been a flop.

MarkTheGreat on September 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Obama is president now.

298,000 jobs lost is great, wonderful, terrific, awe-inspiring news.

fogw on September 3, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Yeah but we can do better. If we all try just a little bit harder we can get that number up above 300,000 for August! We need to be supporting the President here.

highhopes on September 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I got a notice from my BofA credit card the other day offering no payments for sustained unemployment….

JimK on September 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM

JimK on September 3, 2009 at 12:49 PM

That’s nice of em. I’m sure they’ll happily charge interest on the balance though. It’s a win-win for them, really. Government bailouts; money by keeping people in debt. Yay for them.

lorien1973 on September 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM

STOP allowing people to collect checks by phone or email. Make them stand in line and show thre evalid SIGNED job applications. Then sit back and watch the numbers tumble.

max1 on September 3, 2009 at 12:54 PM

Early reports are that the back to school sales have been a flop.

MarkTheGreat on September 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

Bambi needs to give those students a stern talking-to next week. “Kids, when you’re not studying, there’s nothing wrong with hanging out at the mall. Be sure to bring your Mom and Dad’s VISA …”

PackerBronco on September 3, 2009 at 12:57 PM

Hey, trolls, where are you?

Knucklehead on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Leftist trolls never defend. They offend. It’s in the Alinsky rule book.

Fletch54 on September 3, 2009 at 12:57 PM

We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

noblejones on September 3, 2009 at 1:00 PM

It won’t be funployment much longer. Many are droping off the unemployment rolls as benefits expire. This is why the true unemployment is rapidly approaching 20%. The ADS and BLS both don’t count what they consider those who have given up looking for work(translated means no more benefits available).

HoustonRight on September 3, 2009 at 12:37 PM

Yeah, it amuses me that they seem to think that the economy can loose jobs continuously, but their stated Unemployment rate does not go up…

It also does not count people like me, I had to shut my company down due to a lack of contracts… or my Ex Contractors…

Romeo13 on September 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM

Imus lands new gig with Fox Business News. Imus still working.

Dr Evil on September 3, 2009 at 1:05 PM

I heard the recession was over today.

tomas on September 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM

If Porkulus is ahead of schedule, then why haven’t we seen an economic stimulus?

Because that was never the purpose or the intent.

Porkulus was intended to pay off Democrat donors and it’s fulfilled that purpose.

Whether it stimulated anything was just the cover story and its beyond the point.

It’s a waste of time to even try and digest Democrat talking points, they are inane and vacuous and they only make one dumber when one tries to understand them.

NoDonkey on September 3, 2009 at 1:09 PM

It also does not count people like me, I had to shut my company down due to a lack of contracts… or my Ex Contractors…

Romeo13 on September 3, 2009 at 1:03 PM

I am so sorry to hear that. It’s so slow around he you see what I’m doing in the middle of the day. I do hope you are up and running in the near future. Good Luck!

HoustonRight on September 3, 2009 at 1:10 PM

It’s easy, we’ll all just work for the government and our salaries will be paid for by the taxes taken out of our government paychecks.

Simple enough for Charles Rangel or Barack Obama to understand.

Feed the rats to the cats and the cats to the rats and you get the cat skins for nothing.

NoDonkey on September 3, 2009 at 1:12 PM

At this point job loss is via prophesy the continued economic downturn is purely Obama wealth destroying policy now.

Speakup on September 3, 2009 at 1:13 PM

Please forgive the off topoic post but
Olympia snowejob needs to be stopped !
Call her office and say you are from Maine and represent a group of seniors against obamacare. It doesn’t matter if you don’t live in Maine. Find a zip code and town name off the net and call her now. Or say you are a moderate dem who voted for her, and you are against obamacare or any public option. We need to burn her local Maine offices as well as Washington. Call her now before she caves to the libs. Call her now!!!!

texaninfidel on September 3, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Will we ever find out who that woman is calling?

angryed on September 3, 2009 at 1:15 PM

I want the economy to recover but for purely personal reasons. I have managed to hold on to my job so far, but the layoffs have been crushing. The work hasn’t gone away but the workers have, in my particular career. That means where once we had 15 folks to do a job we now in some cases have 1 or 2 and the work load is beginning to crush us.

We still have certain things that have to be done by way of federal mandates and meeting those deadlines has become more and more of a challenge. We have no redundancy in our systems anymore and quite often when one person is out entire projects have to be put on hold pending their return.

I know, I know I am whining and I ought to be glad to have a job, it’s just that when I go into the office it would be nice to have somebody to talk to instead of all those empty cubes.

Just A Grunt on September 3, 2009 at 1:18 PM

$787 Billion hard at work!

Way to go Hussein!

BigMike252 on September 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Hey where’s the Post’s Van Jones story?

marklmail on September 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM

Yeah, but what about all those jobs Obama saved or created?

Daggett on September 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM

The BBC declared the recession over back in June.

Move on… nothing to see here.

mankai on September 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM

Prediction:

9.8%

portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Now there’s a topic for his government schools speech:

“Now that daddy and mommy don’t have a job, they can take you out of this hell hole and home-school you.”

Daggett on September 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM

When no one has a job,the recession will be over,because there will be no one left to lay-off,or fire.

DDT on September 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Bush had a jobless recovery.

Obama has a less jobs recovery.

Daggett on September 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM

Discounters did better than upscale chains, …

This must mean there are less wealthy people to shop at the upscale stores. A statist dream is being realized, the wealthy class is shrinking. I am sure the people working at the upscale stores are rejoycing in their vote for Obama.

WashJeff on September 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM

Some call it Socialism, Barry calls it Opportunity…

Lex on September 3, 2009 at 1:28 PM

“Now that daddy and mommy don’t have a job, they can take you out of this hell hole and home-school you.”

Daggett on September 3, 2009 at 1:24 PM

“But your local government is still going to take a big chunk of change out of parents wallet via property taxes (chumps).”

WashJeff on September 3, 2009 at 1:29 PM

Prediction:

9.8%

portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Prediction:

What ever the number is, it will be unexpected.

WashJeff on September 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM

I can only hope many member of the State Media will soon get to enjoy some funployment themselves…

18-1 on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

Well-said!

lovingmyUSA on September 3, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Prediction:

9.8%

portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 1:23 PM

Look for Obama’s numbers to nosedive even more if that happens. What the hell are they thinking sending Biden out to say that Porkulus has exceeded expectations when the job figures come out tomorrow?

Doughboy on September 3, 2009 at 1:32 PM

Hey, trolls, where are you?

Knucklehead on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

When they can only type with one hand, it takes longer to go from thread to thread!

lovingmyUSA on September 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM

BakerAllie on September 3, 2009 at 12:43 PM

OK, now I am starting to drink!

lovingmyUSA on September 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM

lorien1973 on September 3, 2009 at 12:47 PM

MarkTheGreat on September 3, 2009 at 12:48 PM

**Pouring a very big one…**

lovingmyUSA on September 3, 2009 at 1:38 PM

Never fear!
Slow Joe Biden says that Shamulus is working just fine.

corona on September 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Hey, trolls, where are you?

Knucklehead on September 3, 2009 at 12:42 PM

When they can only type with one hand, it takes longer to go from thread to thread!

lovingmyUSA on September 3, 2009 at 1:33 PM

Selective reading again.

In addition to the article linked on top, the The Wall Street Journal sez: ”

and

U.S. Economy Gets Lift From Stimulus
“Retailers Show Best Results in a Year”

WASHINGTON — Government efforts to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars into the U.S. economy appear to be helping the U.S. climb out of the worst recession in decades….The U.S. economy is beginning to show signs of improvement, with many economists asserting the worst is past and data pointing to stronger-than-expected growth. On Tuesday, data showed manufacturing grew in August for the first time in more than a year. “There’s a method to the madness. We’re getting out of this,” said Brian Bethune, chief U.S. financial economist at IHS Global Insight…Many forecasters say stimulus spending is adding two to three percentage points to economic growth in the second and third quarters, when measured at an annual rate. The impact in the second quarter, calculated by analyzing how the extra funds flowing into the economy boost consumption, investment and spending, helped slow the rate of decline and will lay the groundwork for positive growth in the third quarter — something that seemed almost implausible just a few months ago. Some economists say the 1% contraction in the second quarter would have been far worse, possibly as much as 3.2%, if not for the stimulus.

With the Wall Street Journal on our side, who needs the Post?

Bleeds Blue on September 3, 2009 at 1:43 PM

I wish that Hot Air would, each and every time they publish the Unemployment figures, I wish they would remind readers that those figures are NOT comparable to earlier big recessions and the Great Depression since unemployment was calculated differently back then.

PierreLegrand on September 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM

The administration that can’t shoot straight.

jukin on September 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM

unbelieveable…they upwardly revise last weeks stats so they can show that this weeks stats went down rather than up.

Next week, they bump up this week’s
“better” stats.

this has been going on all summer.

james23 on September 3, 2009 at 1:46 PM

Here is the best explanation of how the numbers have been jiggered to make it seem better than it is.

GOVERNMENT ECONOMIC REPORTS: THINGS YOU’VE
SUSPECTED BUT WERE AFRAID TO ASK!”

A Series Authored by Walter J. “John” Williams

“Employment and Unemployment Reporting”
(Part Two in a Series of Five)

August 24, 2004
_____

The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), U.S. Department of Labor, conducts two monthly surveys of U.S. employment and unemployment. Results usually are released on the first Friday of the month following the survey:

Household Survey (also Current Population Survey) — The household survey generates the unemployment rate from a statistically designed monthly sampling of roughly 60,000 households. Other surveys, such as the annual poverty survey, often are piggybacked on the employment questions. The survey measures the number of people who have jobs.

Payroll Survey (also Establishment or Current Employment Statistics Survey) — The payroll survey generates an estimate of the number of nonfarm jobs in the U.S. economy, based on a monthly non-random sampling of payroll tax filings of about 160,000 U.S. corporations and government agencies. The survey measures the number of jobs (some individuals hold more than one job).

The household survey is conducted during the week that includes the 12th of the month. The payroll survey is conducted as of the payroll period that includes the 12th of the month. Other than for seasonal factors, the household survey gets revised only with series or population redefinition. The payroll series is revised for two months following the initial release and then again in an annual benchmark revision.

Where the household survey includes farm workers, the self-employed and workers in private homes, the payroll survey does not. The payroll survey counts jobs, making no adjustment for multiple jobholders. Yet, adjusting for all differences, the BLS never has been able to reconcile the two series within one million jobs.

Conventional wisdom in the financial community is that the payroll survey is more accurate, given its larger sampling base. To the contrary, the household is scientifically designed, and the error can be estimated to any degree desired. The payroll data are haphazard at best, and the BLS has no idea of potential reporting error.

The BLS estimates a 90% confidence interval for a change in the unemployment rate of ±0.22%, and a 90% confidence interval for the monthly change in payrolls of ±108,000. The BLS, however, admits the payroll survey’s confidence interval is not solid, given built in biases and the lack of randomness in the monthly sample.

The payroll survey used to include a regular monthly bias factor of about +150,000 jobs. Those jobs were added each month for good measure, as an estimate of jobs created by new companies. Companies that went out of business generally were assumed to be employing the same number of people as before they went out of business.

In the last couple of years, the BLS has modeled and seasonally adjusted its bias factor; there is no more guesstimation. Accordingly, new monthly bias factors have ranged from -321,000 to +270,000 during the last year. This, combined with continuous seasonal adjustment revisions, has added to the volatility of recent monthly reporting.

Suggesting that the household survey is more accurate than the payroll survey, however, does not mean household survey accurately depicts unemployment. While its measures have definable statistical accuracy, the accuracy is related only to the underlying questions surveyed and to the universe of people surveyed.

The popularly followed unemployment rate was 5.5% in July 2004, seasonally adjusted. That is known as U-3, one of six unemployment rates published by the BLS. The broadest U-6 measure was 9.5%, including discouraged and marginally attached workers.

Up until the Clinton administration, a discouraged worker was one who was willing, able and ready to work but had given up looking because there were no jobs to be had. The Clinton administration dismissed to the non-reporting netherworld about five million discouraged workers who had been so categorized for more than a year. As of July 2004, the less-than-a-year discouraged workers total 504,000. Adding in the netherworld takes the unemployment rate up to about 12.5%.

The Clinton administration also reduced monthly household sampling from 60,000 to about 50,000, eliminating significant surveying in the inner cities. Despite claims of corrective statistical adjustments, reported unemployment among people of color declined sharply, and the piggybacked poverty survey showed a remarkable reversal in decades of worsening poverty trends.

Somehow, the Clinton administration successfully set into motion reestablishing the full 60,000 survey for the benefit of the current Bush administration’s monthly household survey.

While the preceding concentrates on the numbers that tend to move the markets, the household survey also measures employment. The payroll survey also surveys average hourly and weekly earnings and average workweek.

PierreLegrand on September 3, 2009 at 1:47 PM

Prediction:

What ever the number is, it will be unexpected.

WashJeff on September 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM

Prediction:

What ever the number is, it will be Bush’s Fault.

portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 1:48 PM

Joey Biden, does ANYONE believe anything this clown says?

GarandFan on September 3, 2009 at 1:49 PM

By the way, when will I credit for correctly labeling this Depression?

corona on September 3, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Bleeds Blue on September 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Cheerleading for the losing team must suck. I’m sure your still popular with the team on the bus ride home though.

portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Yes, and they (the Obama administration) say the Stimulus is still working. I guess they mean the Stimulus continues to trash our country. (their idea of success)

mobydutch on September 3, 2009 at 1:54 PM

Bleeds Blue on September 3, 2009 at 1:44 PM

Cheerleading for the losing team must suck. I’m sure your still popular with the team on the bus ride home though.

portlandon on September 3, 2009 at 1:51 PM

Sucks less than being bitter and taking perverse glee in your fellow Americans’ misfortune.

Bleeds Blue on September 3, 2009 at 1:58 PM

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