Video: HCAN instructing people how to disrupt meetings

posted at 8:48 am on September 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey

This will not shock too many people who have followed the antics of counter-demonstrators at Congressional town-hall meetings. It’s the same strategy employed at the Tucson tea-party meeting, without the thrown elbows; maybe they’re just implied. In this video taken just before a town-hall meeting held yesterday by single-payer advocate Rep. Jan Schakowsy (D-IL), a Health Care for America Now (HCAN) organizer instructs his troops on how to disrupt and shout down others so that they “take their cookies and go to bed” (via HA reader Joel P):

In a way, this is a microcosm of the debate over health care.  The opponents of ObamaCare want to read through the bill and hold elected officials accountable for its contents.  Advocates just want to shout mindless slogans in the hope that everyone will give up and go home.  Hey, how’s that working out for you so far?

That also applies to Barack Obama and the leadership in Congress.  After dropping a thousand-page bill in the House, Obama wanted it passed within days instead of having Representatives and Senators read the bill and debate its wisdom, supposedly because an emergency made actual debate impossible.  The emergency?  Congress couldn’t wait to leave the Beltway and meet their constituents (ha!) and Obama was hiding the real deficit numbers that showed his administration screwed up their projections in February.

And who exactly is HCAN?

Where is the money coming from and why is it going to this campaign that does not actually have a specific call to action? The official message from on high is that HCAN is grassroots. Yup $40 million bucks, top down pre-determined pre-compromised message by K-Steet establishment. Nicely done professional Ads. Paid staffers sent out on-message from central office. But we are told its grassroots. So says Ezra Klein. So says David Sirota (who really should know better). Well HCAN is many things. It is a lot of money beng spent with our message that the for-profit private insurance companies are the problem. But grassroots it obviously is not! Sheesh. These are grassroots!

What it really is, is about building mailing lists and fundraising and get-out-the vote for November. It is a $40 million investment in party organizing. Think of it as the Democratic messaging counterpart to the National Rifle Association. In addition, the campaign is going to take advantage of MoveOn.org’s massive data files to reach out to like-minded supporters and officials promised to work in Democratic and Republican districts alike. “We’ll have an organizer in the district of every Blue Dog Democrat,” said HCAN campaign manager Richard Kirsch of the conservative Democrats.

And what right-wing fanatic wrote that?  Actually, it’s one of the bloggers for Physicians for a National Health Plan, an organization that wants the US to move to a single-payer system.  They resent HCAN for not being ideologically pure enough.

Will Nancy Pelosi call HCAN and its tactics “un-American,” too?

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Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Fascism! Shout down the opposition rather than have a democratic debate.

rbj on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

HCAN is totally grass roots, but that guy up in the NorthEast with 10 FaceBook followers is orchestrating a massive right wing astroturf campaign.

BadgerHawk on September 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM

assuming the cowardly congress critters actually host an event

gatorboy on September 1, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Scratch a leftist, find the fascist thug leering out from beneath.

N. O'Brain on September 1, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

You’re a union member?

N. O'Brain on September 1, 2009 at 8:54 AM

Astroturf.

iurockhead on September 1, 2009 at 8:54 AM

The only violence I see is coming from the union thugs.

becki51758 on September 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM

When you have a bunch of incompetent, corrupt politicians who embarrass themselves and their idiot national party during Town Hall, the best cover you can give them are a bunch of chanting rabble.

Mindless jackasses on the march, more Hope and Change.

NoDonkey on September 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM

And no instruction on how to go to the bathroom……?

yoda on September 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Someone needs to tell these idiots that the next time the racist president tells them to get in our face they are fixing to get an ass whoooooping. Folks have had enough of this horseshit. Pardon Me Donkey shit.

bluegrass on September 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Ann-Everyone cannot stand on the sidelines. I want to stand up for what I believe is right. I will not be intimidated into sitting down and shutting up.

TXMomof3 on September 1, 2009 at 8:56 AM

If I had been there and that clown had come up to me telling me how I can quell the right to speak your opinion in this country, I would have given him my own.

I would most likely have been arrested for it, but the guy would have clearly understood my point of view, even as the ambulance was carting his sorry ass off to the hospital.

pilamaye on September 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM

HCAN is totally grass roots, but that guy up in the NorthEast with 10 FaceBook followers is orchestrating a massive right wing astroturf campaign.

BadgerHawk on September 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM

In case the point wasn’t clear: That guy, who’s name I don’t even remember, was the earliest charge of astroturfing flung at the town hall protesters, by groups doing exactly what they accused this random guy of doing.

Classic projection.

BadgerHawk on September 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Grass boots.

LibTired on September 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM

They’re startled that the proles don’t seem to be backing down this time.

Techie on September 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM
Ann-Everyone cannot stand on the sidelines. I want to stand up for what I believe is right. I will not be intimidated into sitting down and shutting up.

TXMomof3 on September 1, 2009 at 8:56 AM

Our dear Ann would rather sit back and depend on the benevolent government to take care of her. She trusts that politicians have her best interest at heart.

ladyingray on September 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Of course, when your meeting starts with a poll like this, the rest of it stays pretty quiet. We had a half-dozen in the front row that were clearly planning on disrupting things, but- after the poll- probably thought better of it.

michaelo on September 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Oh, and Rep. Jan Schakowsy (D-IL) is as dirty and corrupt a Chicago Democrat Machine politician as they come.

pilamaye on September 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Isn’t it so nice to see that dissent is patriotic. Oh wait, nevermind, I thought this was 2004 still. Disagreeing with the president is so unpatriotic, at least now it is. Remember we must only “speak truth to power” when republicans are in charge.

libertarianator on September 1, 2009 at 9:00 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Then don’t

Americans have the right to free speech and that includes protesting a government take-over of health care.

izoneguy on September 1, 2009 at 9:02 AM

michaelo on September 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM

That’s awesome.

BadgerHawk on September 1, 2009 at 9:03 AM

Remember we must only “speak truth to power” when republicans are in charge.

Exactly.

When Democrats are in power, it’s “Don’t Question Authority”. Ever. Because it’s racist, sexist, anti-gay, questioning liberal authority.

Just submit and everything will turn out just wonderful. Trust us.

NoDonkey on September 1, 2009 at 9:04 AM

The Ronin Edge on September 1, 2009 at 9:02 AM

*thumbs up

ladyingray on September 1, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Talk about a “smoking gun” to expose the hypocrisy of the Left.

If Pelosi wants proof of astroturfing, she need look no further than that clip.

Question:Why did that guy let himself be taped?

Nelsa on September 1, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

So sez the sheep on the way to the slaughterhouse. Baaa baaaa…

Fletch54 on September 1, 2009 at 9:05 AM

Our dear Ann would rather sit back and depend on the benevolent government to take care of her. She trusts that politicians have her best interest at heart.

ladyingray on September 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM

And that’s exactly what they want people to do, sit back.

Silence of the lambs.

TXUS on September 1, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Grass boots.
LibTired on September 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Snort!

Nelsa on September 1, 2009 at 9:06 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Typical.

Fear is what got us into this socialist swill bucket. Buck up, stand up and speak up.

rplat on September 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM

What do you expect from Acorn volunteers who were mentored by the greatest evah community organizer. What you see is what you get. Draft PEE WEE HERMAN Oh I forgot we got him now.

bluegrass on September 1, 2009 at 9:07 AM

Hah…

from the same side of the aisle concerned with “bullying” eradication in the public schools. They prattle on and on and on about it, to the point of obsession, and overreach into the normal lives of child interaction…and yet, cannot take two milliseconds to discipline themselves.

Typical liberal leftist…”do as I say, not as I do”.

Saltysam on September 1, 2009 at 9:08 AM

I love the stand on the sidelines-and-bitch contingent here at HA. For the love of Pete, forget the wishy-washy rhetoric, pick a damn side and help win this country back.

Ris4victory on September 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM

I hope the Unions and Liberal Plants don’t think they are going to disrupt 9/12. People have poured a lot of resources into trying to get there.

kingsjester on September 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Typical.

Fear is what got us into this socialist swill bucket. Buck up, stand up and speak up.

rplat on September 1, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

Suggesting violence to promote fear to reduce the likelihood of opposition?

Loxodonta on September 1, 2009 at 9:10 AM

Question:Why did that guy let himself be taped?

Nelsa on September 1, 2009 at 9:04 AM

Because in this current environment, they simply don’t care about the hypocrisy. This is the action of a Chicago street thug on a national level.

highhopes on September 1, 2009 at 9:10 AM

I hope the Unions and Liberal Plants don’t think they are going to disrupt 9/12. People have poured a lot of resources into trying to get there.

kingsjester on September 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM

They will try.

ladyingray on September 1, 2009 at 9:10 AM

The train left the station last week and this idiot is telling them which seats to sit in. Too late, jerk.

Marcus on September 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM

rplat on September 1, 2009 at 9:10 AM

She just gave away her hand, didn’t she?

You can tell which side of the argument she’s on. The side without one.

Saltysam on September 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM

B-B-But, I thout it was only the bitter, clinging, tea-bagging, knuckle-dragging, RethugliKKKan h9ters that were shouting people down at the town hall meetings…

A-A-And the same eeeeeevollll people are the only one organized

Great video. In a universe where there were objective news outlets this would be getting TV time; you know, to expose the hypocrisy that the lefty media always claims to be in pursuit of…

RocketmanBob on September 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM

“I’m scared I might get hurt” – don’t worry, obamacare rationing panels will decide if your boo-boo from the scary blue haired lady warrants any medical attention. If not, then shoo, on your way home where you can watch your infection grow.

Ris4victory on September 1, 2009 at 9:12 AM

I liked my teaparty, but it was really pretty friendly and definitely good-natured protesting. That’s my speed. All I meant was that I’m not the type to show up where there’s obvious potential for violence.

And, I’m still for public option, although it looks like it’s not going to happen.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Note that these groups always have upper-class, college educated white people doing the “organizing” on behalf of the poor and minorities. I’ve seen this numerous times with ACORN — the young white college grads herding the poor black folks and coaching the elderly witness at the hearing. They’re like the nerds at the Duke basketball games with the cheer sheets.

It’s racist at its heart, and very unsettling to watch.

rockmom on September 1, 2009 at 9:14 AM

I hope the Unions and Liberal Plants don’t think they are going to disrupt 9/12. People have poured a lot of resources into trying to get there.

kingsjester on September 1, 2009 at 9:09 AM

They should think twice – no one is going to intimidate me – I will fight for my country, my compatriots & my beliefs AND I FIGHT DIRTY!!

Ris4victory on September 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Is that a brown shirt the “educator” is wearing?

MNScott on September 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM

I will be in DC on 9/12. Camera in hand. I think they may be outnumbered..

Take 2: I KNOW they will be outnumbered!

Nelsa on September 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM

rbj on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Of course you’re right. their Messiah has said the “time for talk is through”…

catmman on September 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM

michaelo on September 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM

Great link.

misslizzi on September 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM

I bet every single HCAN member has a nice clean brown shirt in his closet, complete with armband, which he’s impatiently waiting to wear in public. Ernst Rohm would be proud.

bradley11 on September 1, 2009 at 9:19 AM

I don’t see why HCAN and the SEIU are worried about it. Eric ‘Kidnap-the-Kid’ Holder has announced a new campaign to take advantage of the 2010 census and redistricting. Between the DOJ, IRS, and ACORN, they’ll paint a proper America that reflects the true will of the peeps. Or is that sheep?

Limerick on September 1, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Is that a brown shirt the “educator” is wearing?
MNScott on September 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM

Why yes it IS. That makes him even smarter than I thought hahha! Starting to make me wonder if this guy is for real.

Nelsa on September 1, 2009 at 9:20 AM

All I meant was that I’m not the type to show up where there’s obvious potential for violence.

It depends on what you fear more, freedom of speech or submission to tyranny.

Loxodonta on September 1, 2009 at 9:20 AM

the young white college grads herding the poor black folks and coaching the elderly witness at the hearing.
***
It’s racist at its heart, and very unsettling to watch.

rockmom on September 1, 2009 at 9:14 AM

What’s sad is they’re pretty much victims who don’t see through it.

misslizzi on September 1, 2009 at 9:21 AM

So he is wearing a brown shirt and letting himself be taped and put on Youtube. Something may not smell right here.

Nelsa on September 1, 2009 at 9:23 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

I guess thug tactics work on lefties like you. That’s not very useful, though, because they’re supposed to work on anti-Obamacare people.

Daggett on September 1, 2009 at 9:24 AM

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:14 AM

An astroturfing wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Fletch54 on September 1, 2009 at 9:26 AM

Great video. In a universe where there were objective news outlets this would be getting TV time; you know, to expose the hypocrisy that the lefty media always claims to be in pursuit of…

RocketmanBob on September 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Help us. O’reilly-wan, you’re our only hope.

Joe Caps on September 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

Good idea…sit back and let others fight for what is right, then you can live and enjoy what others have fought for…of course if enough of you sit back, you will lose, and have lost…just look at California.

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. George Orwell

right2bright on September 1, 2009 at 9:28 AM

It depends on what you fear more, freedom of speech or submission to tyranny.

Loxodonta on September 1, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Better stated….

right2bright on September 1, 2009 at 9:29 AM

And, I’m still for public option, although it looks like it’s not going to happen.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:14 AM

Oh! I hope Pelosi, Weiner, and all the rest of the fringe moonbats hold true to their claims that they’ll revolt if the reform bill doesn’t include a public option. Nothing is more entertaining than blue on blue catfights.

The fact of the matter is that the public doesn’t want a public option and the filthy liar in the White House is going have to compromise on that issue and several others (death panels for example) if he wants anything out of Congress on this matter. Of course, the next question is how much longer and how much more capital gets expended on this. Can the filthy liar back down from the cliff and draft a compromise bill or is it just too late? Time will tell.

highhopes on September 1, 2009 at 9:31 AM

Well, I’m not in favor of screaming at meetings, anyway, regardless of the side I’m on in this issue.

I wrote to my senators, of course, and weighed in.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:33 AM

I went back and looked at the video again. Look how many “props” that guy is wearing. A name tag, a notebook,a shoulder bag, a roll of sticker labels. etc.

I hope I’m wrong but this does not seem to pass the smell test.

Nelsa on September 1, 2009 at 9:33 AM

right2bright on September 1, 2009 at 9:29 AM

Just to be perfectly clear:

Like I’ve said, everybody should just stay home and shut up until ObamaCare is passed or they will be shouted down. And if that doesn’t work, we will subtly threaten to use violence.

— HCANinCA

Loxodonta on September 1, 2009 at 9:34 AM

Of course, the next question is how much longer and how much more capital gets expended on this.

It appears I’ll have to be happy with some of the grosser abuses addressed, such as purging people in the middle of treatment. That one really sends me up a tree. I just don’t think they have the votes. And I sure don’t see the blue dogs budging. They got the message that this was too radical of a move.

I’ll remain convinced that it was that stupid stimulus bill. The large deficit, combined with very weak recovery signs, has convinced the public that this would be “nice to have” if we could afford it.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Ann-
There are going to be so many cameras and witnesses at this event. In my experience a bully or thug likes to outnumber and intimidate. A bully isn’t brave, we surround them, as Glenn says. They will only fight when they have superior numbers.

TXMomof3 on September 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

This message has the MoveOn Seal of Approval.

Tonus on September 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM

That’s not me, Lox, just in case you’re wondering. That’s another poster.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM

I’ve watched these thugs get in people’s faces and try to provoke any kind of physical response. Don’t fall for it. Shout them down but don’t touch unless you are touched (assaulted) first and have witnesses. Remember, they are being paid to provoke and intimidate you. You have truth and the spirits of the founders on your side. Keep the faith and you will prevail.

SKYFOX on September 1, 2009 at 9:37 AM

I’ll remain convinced that it was that stupid stimulus bill. The large deficit, combined with very weak recovery signs, has convinced the public that this would be “nice to have” if we could afford it.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM

That’s the point. We can’t afford any more of this out of control spending. The adults need to take the checkbook away from the child at the White House. Had the filthy liar not been greedy and inept in spending, the dissent to his entire legislative agenda would have been muted if not non-existent.

highhopes on September 1, 2009 at 9:39 AM

Well, I’d be on the other side on this one, anyway. But I can’t imagine going and yelling at some older person who is clearly upset. Seriously, I wonder how these people can rationalize this to themselves.

It would be entirely too impolite to do that, in my opinion. Half of the u-tubes I’ve watched, anyway, it’s clear that it’s senior citizens who are mostly in these townhalls.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:40 AM

Had the filthy liar not been greedy and inept in spending, the dissent to his entire legislative agenda would have been muted if not non-existent.

I totally agree, and knew it the minute that stupid bill passed.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 9:41 AM

HCAN is totally grass roots, but that guy up in the NorthEast with 10 FaceBook followers is orchestrating a massive right wing astroturf campaign.

BadgerHawk on September 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM

LOL

scotth on September 1, 2009 at 9:44 AM

happy thought for the day….THEY ARE LOSING AT EVERYTHING THEY TRY!

SDarchitect on September 1, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Astroturf.

iurockhead on September 1, 2009 at 8:54 AM

The very definition.

If you look up “astroturf” in the dictionary, you will see photos of HCAN protesters.

UltimateBob on September 1, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I wonder if the Administration and Congress will be transported “to a safe location” for this historic day.

kingsjester on September 1, 2009 at 9:47 AM

I went to a Boulder, Colorado town hall meeting with Jared Polis and most of the people there had pre-printed signs supporting Obamacare. A large ACORN lady got up and started chanting “What do we want? Single payer! When do we want it? Now!”

She must have gotten the same briefing as the people on this video.

bonnie_ on September 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM

Methinks there’s going to be a real lesson in shouting down…come election day.

Oldnuke on September 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM

That’s not me

First post of the entire thread. First mention of concern for violence in the thread.

Next post, mention concern for violence again.

That is the “concern” being spread by a “concern troll.”

Loxodonta on September 1, 2009 at 9:49 AM

happy thought for the day….THEY ARE LOSING AT EVERYTHING THEY TRY!

SDarchitect on September 1, 2009 at 9:45 AM

Enjoy it while it lasts. The leftists running the show right now aren’t going to go away. They’re going to keep coming at us with this crap.

Their next tactic is going to be to try and pass more “moderate” healthcare legislation, spoon-feeding it to the American people in smaller portions rather than trying to shove a big 12000 page piece of legislation down our throats all at once. I only hope that people are smarter now about the real goal of these fascists.

UltimateBob on September 1, 2009 at 9:51 AM

See the following for HCAN agitators Instructions on how to disrupt tea party rallies. Written by a former S.E.I.U. labor organizer,Margarida Jorge. Found on Traditional Values Coalition.org http://www.traditionalvalues.org/workfiles/08292009/hcan-agitators-workbook.pdf

Bullhead on September 1, 2009 at 9:53 AM

UltimateBob on September 1, 2009 at 9:51 AM

Ooops, should be 1200 not 12000.

UltimateBob on September 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM

The shirts may not all be brown but the intent and the affect are identical. Don’t yield people lest you lose it all.

rplat on September 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

AnninCA, let’s hope and pray your neighbor’s house is never on fire or a child is run over by a car in front of you. Oh, I get it, someone else will take care of it for you. You are just the by-stander in the way.

yoda on September 1, 2009 at 9:54 AM

AnninCA, let’s hope and pray your neighbor’s house is never on fire or a child is run over by a car in front of you. Oh, I get it, someone else will take care of it for you. You are just the by-stander in the way.

Given the way some of you talk, I think I’d be way too afraid of you to even have coffee, nevermind be at an angry meeting! LOL*

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.
AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 AM

And the winner is…..THE UNIONS!

AnninCA, this has been the problem for way to long. We have stayed away because we were afraid or totally didn’t care. Well that kind of thinking is changing and that is change I can believe in. You need to read what the signers of Declaration of Independence suffered because they refused to be silent.

fbcmusicman on September 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM

The train left the station last week and this idiot is telling them which seats to sit in. Too late, jerk.

Marcus on September 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Jump on board the Jan Schakowsy (D-IL) “Rage Train” express:

http://cuial.com/rage_train_jan.jpg

izoneguy on September 1, 2009 at 10:05 AM

ogabe going to finout that america when call to action can do anything and everything legal to stop teddycare.

bessex on September 1, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Given the way some of you talk, I think I’d be way too afraid of you to even have coffee, nevermind be at an angry meeting! LOL*

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Given the way you talk, I would also be afraid to have coffee with you too and I’m not afraid of very many things! LOL

yoda on September 1, 2009 at 10:09 AM

I guess thug tactics work on lefties like you. That’s not very useful, though, because they’re supposed to work on anti-Obamacare people.

Well, they work on me, anyway. Seriously, the union people showing up pro-reform? Those dudes look scary to me.

I saw some stuff in the primaries in Texas that absolutely blew my mind, and that was at Dem caucuses. They were strong-arming old ladies. It was absolutely shocking to me.

I quit the Dem party over that very issue.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 10:09 AM

Given the way some of you talk, I think I’d be way too afraid of you to even have coffee, nevermind be at an angry meeting! LOL*

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 10:04 AM

Heaven forbid that you should associate yourself with those willing to fight for their country.

thomasaur on September 1, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Given the way some of you talk, I think I’d be way too afraid of you to even have coffee, nevermind be at an angry meeting! LOL*

If you can stop trolling, be honest and transparent about your beliefs, and treat people posting here like we are real people, then you have nothing to fear.

Loxodonta on September 1, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Excerpt from George Washington’s Farewell Address 1796

All obstructions to the execution of the
laws, all combinations and associations,
under whatever plausible character, with
the real design to direct, control,
counteract, or awe the regular deliberation
and action of the constituted authorities,
are destructive of this fundamental
principle, and of fatal tendency. They
serve to organize faction, to give it an
artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in
the place of the delegated will of the
nation the will of a party, often a small
but artful and enterprising
minority of the community;
and,
according to the alternate triumphs of
different parties, to make the public
administration the mirror of the ill-
concerted and incongruous projects of
faction, rather than the organ of
consistent and wholesome plans digested
by common counsels and modified by
mutual interests.

However combinations or associations
of the above description may now and then
answer popular ends, they are likely, in
the course of time and things, to become
potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious,
and unprincipled men will be
enabled to subvert the power of
the people and to usurp for
themselves the reins of
government, destroying
afterwards the very engines
which have lifted them to unjust
dominion.

http://www.cuial.com/George_Washington_Farewell_address_1796.pdf

izoneguy on September 1, 2009 at 10:10 AM

Constrast his instruction to block any questions or discussion on health care by yelling “health care now” with the page on Obama’s Organizing for America website that makes the following statement about those opposing Obamacare:

But don’t hate them: Misguided citizens are easy-pickings for demagogues, whom they blindly follow because they’ve been trained all their lives not to question the dogma of their religion, so it’s natural for them NOT TO QUESTION what’s being spoon-fed to them by their FALSE PROPHETS who, themselves, shamelessly seek Worldly Glory.

Uh, in this video, who exactly is blindly following a demagogue and failing to question what’s being spoon-fed to them by false prophets?

I fear for our republic a little more everyday.

Bru on September 1, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Like I’ve said, I sure wouldn’t attend any of these meetings. They are a recipe for violence.

We will not be intimidated into silence.

Dark Eden on September 1, 2009 at 10:15 AM

If you can stop trolling, be honest and transparent about your beliefs, and treat people posting here like we are real people, then you have nothing to fear.

Can’t think of how much more transparent I could be. I think you probably really mean, Change my mind. :)

Nah*, on this issue, I remain convinced reform is needed. Now, I’m not going to be ballistic when it fails. Win some, lose some.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 10:17 AM

“Four legs good, two legs BETTER!”

Alex_SF on September 1, 2009 at 10:19 AM

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