New RNC ad: Medicare forever, baby

In the meantime, carpe diem.

As much as I hate Medi-whatev, I have to agree with AP’s point.

We conservatives have too often been all or nothing. We need to take a page from the Dhimmicrat palybook, the one on incrementalism.

davidk on September 1, 2009 at 6:26 PM

Holger on September 1, 2009 at 6:52 PM

You talkin’ about my Mama?

No they didn’t have an IRA. IRAs weren’t around then. Yeah, Dad has a pension, but my Mom does not. She stayed at home and raised five kids.

Savings accounts? Yeah, but something always seemed to come up that needed fixing: a furnace, a car, a kid. Although my dad worked 10-12 hours a day, 6-7 days a week, the factory didn’t pay that much. And company provided insurance didn’t come till later.

Your attitude just shows your ignorance. Stuff happens to people. Some their fault, some somebody else’s fault, some nobody’s fault. (And I’m not just talking about my parents.)

Back then people felt like they could trust their government. They thought that when the gov. told them it was like insurance they believed it. When the gov. told them that it would protect the money they payed into social security, they believed it.

A lot of people back in the day were naive. They didn’t know about ponzi schemes. They didn’t realize that people everywhere weren’t like the people they lived around, people who’s word was their bond.

When I got out on my own, a local businessman told me, “Your dad is cantankerous as hell, but he pays his bills.”

And that’s what my parents expect from the government.

I made it plain that I don’t agree with government social programs. But to tell people, “This program is not right, so we are going to end it next week.” is not only moraly wrong but also cruel.

If the governement defaults on their obligation to my parents they will be OK. They have five children with spouses and their own children who all are successful and would never let them do without.

And if you have to ask why don’t we do it now, you’ll only betray ignorance of the mindset of that generation. They would dare take a handout.

And they don’t see Medi-whatev or SS as a handout–they see it as their money which the gov. has an obligation to pay back.

That is why we talked above about talking to them about these issues. We need to educate them on what the real cost of these programs is. But to belittle them and mock them as you have will not work.

davidk on September 1, 2009 at 7:51 PM

Agree, However, not all seniors have children who can help out. Many would surly be out on the street if SS were just stopped.
derft on September 1, 2009 at 8:16 PM

And that is why I am urging caution. A lot of seniors out there are scared to death. They don’t understand what’s going on. They are hearing that these programs are going broke and they don’t have anywhere else to turn.

These Gen-xers want to cut grandma off at the knees to fuel their own selfishness. Those of us who have been warning–since the 80s–about the demise of these unsustainable programs pointed out that the young people would begin to rebel against what is essentially government redistribution.

I don’t blame them. But let’s have some safety nets in place for those who have no backup.

And at the risk of opening another can of worms, I want to point a finger at the Christian church who gladly and greedily allowed the goverment to assume the role of charity.

I was a fool to believe them.

Naivete does not equal foolishness. Like I pointed out above, at that time people just trusted people.

I’d like to see the gov’ment back off on the amount of regulations it has imposed, but there are evil people out there who continually devise ways to steal from others.

davidk on September 1, 2009 at 10:00 PM