Michele Bachmann: Let’s slit our wrists and take a blood oath against ObamaCare
posted at 9:42 pm on September 1, 2009 by Allahpundit
Dude, I’ll do a pinky swear and, perhaps, accept a triple dog dare. But actual cutting? Blood spilled a la eighth-graders heading off to look at a body one of their classmates found in the woods?
I only do that for tax cuts.
“This cannot pass,” the Minnesota Republican told a crowd at a Denver gathering sponsored by the Independence Institute. “What we have to do today is make a covenant, to slit our wrists, be blood brothers on this thing. This will not pass. We will do whatever it takes to make sure this doesn’t pass.”
“Something is way crazy out there,” Bachmann said in her remarks, billed as a “personal legislative briefing” by the Golden-based Independence Institute, which bills itself as a “free market think tank.”
“This is slavery,” Bachmann said after claiming many Americans pay half their income to taxes. “It’s nothing more than slavery.”
In a speech filled with urgent and violent rhetoric, Bachmann — who proudly acknowledges she is the country’s “second-most hated Republican woman,” behind only former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin – drew a clear line on health care reform.
Exit question: How about a 90 percent tax on Wall Street profits to fund ObamaCare? That’s not slavery. It’s just … kindness.
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You want to send the FBI into the outlaw tribal regions of Pakistan? Where do I sign up?
The members of Al Qaeda, right down to the camel tenders, need to be hunted down and killed. Do you honestly believe that new recruits who join Al Qaeda do not know what they are getting into? Or WHY?
David2.0 on September 2, 2009 at 9:56 AM
Yeah, because the Balkans are a model of the spirit of ’76.
The only free people are a self-regulating, self-reliant godly people. As de Touqueville said:
It is godliness and virtue, not disunity, that sustains a people in their liberty.
spmat on September 2, 2009 at 10:10 AM
As much as I love Reagan, he was a New Deal Democrat maybe not as President but he certainly was earlier. He did little to curtail government merely held it in check, he maintained the Social programs enacted under FDR and Johnson when he should’ve massively overhauled them.
Imagine if Social Security was an IRA or a Income Retirement Savings Acount, with the ensuing economic prosperity it’d be far more secure instead of nearing bankruptcy.
Welfare becomes work dependent meaning you have to pay into it to get benefits and Medicare/Medicaid is turned into a program that buys people private health insurance.
We’d I think be far better off.
Holger on September 2, 2009 at 10:12 AM
Ask Joe the Plumber Pinnochio told him what it was in one of his rare truthful statements!
Its’ Spreadin the wealth.
Spreadin it from those who work, provide jobs, provide insurance and train employees, those who drive the engine that creates prosperity for all who choose to participate to:
Those porch sittin, pants around their knees, quart drinkin, dope smokin, baby makin, New Orleans types who haven’t the gumption to drag their own asses off their roofs and save their own lazy, fat butts, instead demand Goberment do it for em!
This is discusting and its’ high time the real Americans take their country back from the slackers and their enablers in the Dem Party.
Tea Party Time with whatever it takes to get the job done!
dhunter on September 2, 2009 at 10:15 AM
With Iraq spinning down, and Afghanistan getting hot, but without a clear goal, I don’t have much of a problem with that. Closing foreign military bases isn’t even that big of a deal in these days of fast and heavy transports. I do have a practical if not constitutional objection to a 2 year standing army. It’s a good way to have a poor army, and they will just get around that by increasing the size and scope of the marines to encompass all that the army does, since the federal government is allowed to have a navy.
DFCtomm on September 2, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Like her, love her or show disdain for her, she’s already proven on this thread alone that she can raise a point and raise hell at the same time. Like umm…another attractive conservative woman we know, huh?
Nalea on September 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM
Sure, but when you choose to join, you choose to sign your own death warrant. Your choice.
The “Mafia” is a crime syndicate and has nothing to do with “free association.” The KKK is a heinous relic of a bygone era and is a designated domestic terror organization. Their speech isn’t what constitutes their terrorism. Their ACTIONS are.
No, it’s a war against radical Islamic terrorists and their enablers. They don’t get subpoenas when they destroy our skyscrapers or shoot at our boys. They get rockets and bullets in their hides.
Good Lt on September 2, 2009 at 10:17 AM
I missed the CIA quote, sorry. Much of what you have listed, and especially closing the CIA, just goes to support my argument that Ron Paul and his supporters would be a foreign policy nightmare.
DFCtomm on September 2, 2009 at 10:18 AM
Maxi Water
Sheila Lee
Nancy Lugosi
Buckwheat.
Itchee Dryback on September 2, 2009 at 10:22 AM
So you’re against HR3200, correct?
Itchee Dryback on September 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM
Well the war on drugs was a fascist program, but Reagan never launched a War of Terror like Bush did.
It’s hard to compare Bush’s concentration camps like Guantanamo, and torturing, and his aggressive attacks on random countries to what Reagan did.
Reagan was really bad president, but he was no George Bush.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Ah. So the average whoever purchasing weapons-grade nuclear materials for “private use” is not a concern to you?
Should it concern the government?
Good Lt on September 2, 2009 at 10:27 AM
There are no concentration camps. GITMO is a military base where prisoners apprehended on the battlefield are being detained.
Try again.
How’s Obama doing? Was Clinton a great President – he treated Islamic terrorism as a law enforcement matter. Remember?
Good Lt on September 2, 2009 at 10:29 AM
DFCtomm,
Mark Lawsen spars with Mitt Romney in the Florida primary on the need to defund the CIA and get rid of the income tax.
You disagree?
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Getting back to Michele, found this for a point made on another thread. Michele ain’t so beholden to special interests:
Q1 2009 Individual vs. PAC Contributions to Minnesota’s U.S. Representatives
Rank Representative % Individuals % PACs
1 Bachmann 80.4 19.6
2 Paulsen 69.6 30.3
3 Kline 64.5 35.5
4 Walz 57.8 42.2
5 Ellison 43.0 57.0
6 McCollum 35.5 64.5
7 Oberstar 33.0 67.0
8 Peterson 22.2 77.8
Note: FEC data compiled by Smart Politics.
Christian Conservative on September 2, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Good Lt ,
Don’t they do waterboarding torture and fake executions at Guantanamo?
I’m not sure what other kinds of torture they do there, but I know we executed Japanese officers for waterboarding in WW2.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:34 AM
We don’t need to “defund the CIA.”
We do need to lower or eliminate the income tax, as it makes no sense for the government penalize productive and helpful activity on the one hand (taxing income) while enabling and encouraging unproductive activity (welfare, ObamaCare, tax perks for the poor) on the other.
Spread the
wealthtax around to those who benefit the most from the taxpayer-funded benefits.Good Lt on September 2, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Point well taken. I … misspoke.
And for the record, I think MB is awesome and I love her “hoist the black flag and start slitting throats” revolutionary rhetoric.
Jaibones on September 2, 2009 at 10:37 AM
Why?
Name ONE good thing the CIA has done?
Torturing people? Assassination of over 60 global leaders? Overthrowing governments? Running dope? Abducting people.
We don’t need a secret police, which is essentially what they are.
The CIA is just a way for the politicians to do skullduggery so that the people can’t see what’s going on.
There is nothing that they do that the U.S. military couldn’t do…not that we need that either, but in terms of the chopping block the CIA would be on the top of the list.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Wow. What year is that from?
Jaibones on September 2, 2009 at 10:38 AM
Somebody out there has the stones to do the right thing…
Cinday Blackburn on September 2, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I think we made the the CIA in the 1947 Defense of America Act or whatever it was called so it’s a remnant of big-government Harry Truman.
Just another government organization that won’t go away.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Good Lt ,
And you can provide proof that Japanese officers were executed solely based on waterboarding, including the names of the officers and the list of all charges against them?
ICBM on September 2, 2009 at 10:40 AM
ICBM,
Waterboarding was part of the rationale for executing them.
I think it was probably enough on it’s own.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:40 AM
Idiotic argument, but wonderful to see a leftist actually stating their true position in a semi-public way. If you had a real name or were a candidate for office, this would be called a gaffe.
Quick show of hands from all the voters who wish to abolish the CIA? Raise ‘em up there high, kids.
Jaibones on September 2, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Mike Lawson lays the smack down on the Elitist a-hole Mitt Romney who is saying we need to fuind the CIA.
How can anyone possibly support funding the CIA?
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Horse crap. You “think” is your problem, as all you have is your thought without any proof.
ICBM on September 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Ugh.
Jaibones on September 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM
Keep digging.
Jaibones on September 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Spathi, are you a communist?
faraway on September 2, 2009 at 10:44 AM
ICBM,
Well waterboarding was part of the rationale for executing the Japanese officers along with other war crimes charges. That’s not made up.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:44 AM
I like that she has blood on her mind. My kind of gal.
RepubChica on September 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM
faraway,
More of an anarchist.
Destroy the Federal Government first. Then shrink the State governments.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:45 AM
Now it all becomes clear.
Christian Conservative on September 2, 2009 at 10:48 AM
You still can’t provide proof of anything. Those officers were executed for a litany of war crimes. Those crimes involved death for the victims. Waterboarding by the Japanese was of a different variety that often led to death, quite different from the method used as Gitmo.
ICBM on September 2, 2009 at 10:48 AM
ICBM,
Yes, a litany of warcrimes, which included warcrimes.
I didn’t say it was the only charge, but it was included on the list of many.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Do you believe in the U.S. Constitution?
ICBM on September 2, 2009 at 10:50 AM
ICBM,
Yes, a litany of warcrimes, which included waterboarding.
I didn’t say it was the only charge, but it was included on the list of many.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:50 AM
Dealing with international criminal smuggling cartels operating within our borders is fascist?
jhffmn on September 2, 2009 at 10:51 AM
LMAO. Your assertion involved only waterboarding, which was patently false.
ICBM on September 2, 2009 at 10:52 AM
ICBM,
Well it would have been better had we stuck to the articles of the Confederation, but I mean if the Federal Government is going to exist, it’s better to have a document to constrain them. If we got rid of the Constitution, then the Government wouldn’t have a right to exist anymore.
If we could get rid of the Federal Government entirely that would be ideal though, but I think if you got rid of the Constitution and the Government still existed then things would be worse.
So yes, I support it so long as it means restraining the government, but I think we could repeal some of the amendments.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:54 AM
ICBM,
No, it was included as part of the warcrimes charges and rationale for execution.
I didn’t say it was the only rationale just one of them.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:54 AM
Spathi, do you think we might need a standing army?
faraway on September 2, 2009 at 10:55 AM
The Japanese version of waterboarding involved the victim ingesting so much water that the stomach would become distended, which was then stomped on by the torturer to force the victim vomit. Then the process was repeated.
BohicaTwentyTwo on September 2, 2009 at 10:56 AM
jhffmn,
Uhhh….if you legalize it then you wouldn’t have to worry about the cartel.
I think a lot of people would tolerate States passing their own drug laws because if you didn’t like one state you can just move next door.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:56 AM
Why not just move to Somalia and live the dream?
jhffmn on September 2, 2009 at 10:56 AM
BohicaTwentyTwo,
O OK. I believe over 100 prisoners have died in U.S. custody though. For some reason they just seem like a random dudes we picked up in Afghanistan somewhere because a rival tribe didn’t like him and turned him over to the U.S.
I wonder if any of them were due to waterboarding deaths though. I think the sleep deprivation torture is worse though.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:58 AM
jhffmn,
Medieval Ireland lived with an anarchist government where people formed their own personal governments for about 1000 years without any wars (because no one had central power) and I believe ancient Iceland lived in anarchy with very much success.
However, even if you have just States so that people can switch governments easily without a Federal government wouldn’t be so bad.
The advantage to the Ireland model is that the governments aren’t based on geography meaning that if you don’t like the government in you just switch yet you don’t have to physically move.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 11:01 AM
Should college professors be prosecuted?
faraway on September 2, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Michele Bachmann is the other Sarah Palin. I like her!
Amy Proctor on September 2, 2009 at 11:02 AM
faraway,
The military already prosecuted enlistees for taking advantage of detainees in their custody at Gbu Ghraib. The female General in charge had to leave, and McCain passed a law banning waterboarding by the U.S. military.
So why not just hold the CIA and the Bush administration to the same standards (aka the president isn’t above the law.)
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 11:05 AM
Will Allah ever be as emotionally opposed to nut-job liberals as he is to mainstream conservatives.
Where did they find this guy?
notagool on September 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM
I could probably name a thousand if I were privy to such information.
Should every country BUT the U.S. have a clandestine/intelligence-gathering agency?
David2.0 on September 2, 2009 at 11:10 AM
Worse yet, Chuck will haul out the “creaaaationist” tag.
BlueStateBilly on September 2, 2009 at 11:25 AM
David2.0,
Well we didn’t have a secret police either until 1947.
How did we make it through the the war between the States and the Wilson-FDR wars without one!
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 11:28 AM
What Mike Lawson was advocating in his radio interview with Mitt Romney was rolling the CIA’s functions into the U.S. military.
Plus the U.S. military seems to be more under control than the CIA for whatever reason. When the CIA was helping run dope in the 1980′s, I have a hard time imagining the military doing that.
A lot of the government bureaucrats, Rumsfeld and Cheney types, can kind of use the CIA for random personal goals or goals of the think tanks or for kind of a secret henchman for the president.
Hard to say what it’s up to.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 11:34 AM
Don’t call it slavery – that’s racist. Just call it forced servitude.
hawksruleva on September 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM
You know, as I scrolled down from the top of this page, I notice he finally admitted he was an anarchist.
You folks want to know the so-called arguments for that muddle-headed philosophy called Anarchism, read this guys comments.
He’s a barrel of laughs, straight out of Ron Paul’s playbook.
Joe Pyne on September 2, 2009 at 11:40 AM
I talked to God and He said me being a creationist was just fine with Him.
Jeff from WI on September 2, 2009 at 11:50 AM
1Q 2009 (per my original comment) :)
Christian Conservative on September 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM
Wow a nice dose of Paganism! Kewl! I am Catholic and all that but that kind of covenant a la Angelina Jolie sounds mahhhvelous dahhhrling.
Anybody see the movie “Practical Magic” with Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock? I got it. Rent it! One of the places where a Wiccan covenant as sisters is made. A connection and force that will unite them no matter what.
ProudPalinFan on September 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM
Obamunistcare must be stopped and we must do everything we can to stop it. As Bachmann said.
dogsoldier on September 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM
The answer to your pondering is no. Only three detainees were ever waterboarded, they all survived, despite being three of biggest a$$holes on the planet.
BohicaTwentyTwo on September 2, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Spathi, if you look at Irish history, you may see no wars, but you will see Hatfield-McCoy-style family blood feuds lasting generations. The Scots had the same problem.
Mary in LA on September 2, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Whatever else you have to say about Michele Bachmann, you have to admit she’s an excellent singer:
http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0OzxvClwoU
Daggett on September 2, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Whatever else you have to say about Michele Bachmann, you have to admit she’s an excellent singer:
Here’s a clickable version
Daggett on September 2, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Revolution is Coming to America!! I keep reading about the “R” word & I thnk the congress would take note, but they don’t because they no longer represent you…..they only represent the government.
The new, underground book is out. It’s about a small town in America that takes a stand against the tyranny of government as our ancestors did against King George III.
Read it & you’ll see what happens to your home town when the government takes over (www.booksbyoliver.com)
ctcb05 on September 2, 2009 at 12:47 PM
Nice pic!
Jared_MA on September 2, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Blood oaths? Covenants? Typical christian conservative nonsense. What’s next…slaughtering some lambs?
How about we just start taxing the biggest tax cheats of all: CHURCHES!
Good4Onan on September 2, 2009 at 12:57 PM
FIFY, you statist loon.
Dark-Star on September 2, 2009 at 1:00 PM
Do not be surprised if Reagan or anyone in his cabinet belonged to the Trilateral Commission, CFR, along with the foreign bankers. Bush Sr. was in the CIA after all.
Folks, there’s a video of a speech made by the creator of The John Birch Society who says things that should be errie to you, especially the neocons.
http://sureynot.com/v/553/insiders%27-plans-to-destroy-america-exposed-in-1958.html
To sum this up…This man is turning over in his grave.
BobAnthony on September 2, 2009 at 1:18 PM
Seriously?
And yet you want to breakdown the government and have anarchy? “Staying awake is torture!” Dude, you’re going to be wearing assless chaps and riding bitch for Wez about five minutes after the sh!t hits the fan with that attitude.
CPL 310 on September 2, 2009 at 1:25 PM
AP – Noted & acknowledged.
CPL 310 on September 2, 2009 at 1:35 PM
This is one of the dumbest and most dishonest posts I’ve ever read here by HA’s various trolls–and that’s Saying Something
Japanese military personnel were put on trial FOR KILLING PRISONERS. Torture was included in many of the charges filed, but ‘torture’ in 1940s Japan meant bamboo under the fingernails–not the traditional hazing rituals undergone by VMI Keydets such as George Marshall.
You leftist POS morons live in your own world. Stay there.
Janos Hunyadi on September 2, 2009 at 2:14 PM
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:34 AM
They executed those Japanese officers for doing a lot more than waterboarding, they cut off heads and beat prisoners as well. Don’t confuse simulated drowning, which is what waterboarding, is with the actual drowning perpetrated by the Japanese. Waterboarding get’s results, that is indisputable, if you want to call it torture, fine, then I still support it. If Al Queda terrorist don’t want to be waterboarded, well that’s up to them isn’t it. They should have picked another line of work now, shouldn’t they? This whole objection to waterboarding is the most cowardly of arguments, you know it works yet you still try to paint those who use it to great effect and those who support it as some sort of immoral lunatics. Oh, the CIA is not even close to the same thing as secret police, they don’t go around arresting citizens in the night.
“So why not just hold the CIA and the Bush administration to the same standards (aka the president isn’t above the law.)”
The preamble to the constituion establishes that government should provide for the common defense and Article 1 further states that it is one of the limited functions government should fund. The CIA, the DEA, FBI the Armed forces and GWB were acting well withing their constitutional obligations. “How did we make it through the the war between the States and the Wilson-FDR wars without one!” We relied on the British MI5 and 6, we also had the Office of Strategic Services, which was the pre-cursor to the CIA.
celtnik on September 2, 2009 at 2:27 PM
facepalm
jhffmn on September 2, 2009 at 2:33 PM
As I recall the government employees of Galveston County Texas can testify to this………
Katfish on September 2, 2009 at 2:36 PM
celtnik,
OK, but if you do it or participate it in, then I support putting you in jail.
Don’t like that? Tough.
McCain was just on Meet the Press last week saying that the water boarding torture did not work and then Cheney as helping Al Qaeda with his endorsement of it. Why did McCain and the Republicans pass a bill banning the military from using “harsh interrogation techniques” if there wasn’t a problem with it.
I think it’s good the U.S. military is no longer allowed to do that stuff, but we need a war crimes trial for Cheney and Bush, and we need to somehow get the CIA under control.
We should just cut funding entirely for the CIA, but at the bare minimum we need to shut their blacksites and torture down.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 2:44 PM
Jim Treacher on September 2, 2009 at 2:45 PM
Janos Hunyadi,
We’ve killed somewhere around 100 prisoners.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 2:46 PM
McCain Whacks Cheney: Torture Violated Law And Helped The Terrorists (VIDEO)
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 2:49 PM
You’re lying: It’s what you do. Your post comparing American treatment of Iraqi prisoners with Japanese treatment of WWII prisoners is fundamentally dishonest.
Your other post on this thread range from evidence of mental illness to simplistic rabid partisan talking points
Go away; come back after you get a brain and an education
Janos Hunyadi on September 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM
Janos Hunyadi,
Me a partisan what? I don’t vote for either party.
I’m a Libertarian or Constitution Party voter depending on which one fields the better candidate or a Ron Paul voter if he would manage to win the GOP primary.
The interrogation and detention regime implemented by the U.S. resulted in the deaths of over 100 detainees in U.S. custody — at least. While some of those deaths were the result of “rogue” interrogators and agents, many were caused by the methods authorized at the highest levels of the Bush White House, including extreme stress positions, hypothermia, sleep deprivation and others. Aside from the fact that they cause immense pain, that’s one reason we’ve always considered those tactics to be “torture” when used by others — because they inflict serious harm, and can even kill people. Those arguing against investigations and prosecutions — that we Look to the Future, not the Past — are thus literally advocating that numerous people get away with murder.
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Sarah and Michelle are my beautiful belles of pure conservatism.
Go Sarah! Go Michelle!
TheAlamos on September 2, 2009 at 2:59 PM
I’m glad SarahPac is donating some of my dollars to Michele Bachmann. I just knew Sarah would put them to good use.
Rock on Sarah and Michele, my two favorite GOP ladies!
BlueStateBilly on September 2, 2009 at 3:12 PM
Spathi,
Pointing to a Salon opinion piece that has no actual citations to any evidence does not demonstrate any evidence of anything. There were no 100 deaths at Gitmo or elsewhere. Point to some actual news source making that claim, with identified sources – not some biased political hack claiming that it happened.
And you a liberterian or Constitutional voter? I find that amusing that you would claim that based on your comments here. Either you don’t know what those parties allegedly stand for, are lying to yourself about your beliefs, or think we are too stupid to analyze your comments to determine what your actual political stances are. And they sure as hell ain’t liberterian or constitutional. Far left paranoid delusional w/ knowledge of “true facts” from an alternative history universe is closer to the truth of your beliefs.
Monkeytoe on September 2, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Hey Spathi
We waterboard our own troops. It is not torture, more like making them sit on an uncomfortable chair.
Holger on September 2, 2009 at 3:35 PM
Monkeytoe,
Can you read? Greenwald posted the links from the ACLU lawsuit in the article.
McCain and the congress passed a law BANNING the U.S. military from water boarding. Why would you support something that was illegal before, but has now been remade illegal again in response to people doing it?
—————————-
Why do YOU get to decide what is Libertarian or not?
I don’t think the president gets to have a standing army. That’s a fairly Libertarian concept. If you take away his standing army, then States can finally get their nullification rights back.
Also you can’t have a welfare state without a warfare state. That’s why they called it FDR’s welfare-warfare state.
You need a large standing army to enforce the welfare state (gigantic IRS, large standing army, secret police, secret service, NSA, etc)
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Ahh, 100 deaths the child parrot squawks.
The Salon article authored by an America hating “journalist” in which the subject is another article from the Daily Beast, which itself is an article referring to the laughably partisan “Human Rights First” who on their front page writes:
I am not naive enough to believe that some detainees were not killed, but you know what? I DON’T GIVE A FUK.
Consider it an expression of anarchy on my part you little douche.
Oh and Allah I wish you would quit holding my comments for moderation just because I use a little salty language. It is time for people to start getting pissed off and speak the only language these sacks of crap comprehend.
ClassicCon on September 2, 2009 at 3:41 PM
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM
You certainly screw up a lot. Think again.
That’s Mark Larsen. Regarding Larsen’s rant, I don’t mind people wanting to support their favorite candidate on-air. But calling someone obscene names after talking together, not having the pelotas to disagree while in dialogue, is lower than low.
LOL, I’m as much a Romney fan as I am a fan of you.
maverick muse on September 2, 2009 at 3:50 PM
ClassicCon,
Can you read- he posted jpegs of the ACLU report on his page. It wasn’t just an editorial.
It makes more sense to read Greenwald’s selected passages rather than the entire report since he is a civil liberties lawyer so he was able to highlight passages of importance.
ps- do you support McCain’s ban on water boarding that he passed in congress?
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 3:52 PM
You ass-clown, Paulian pansy. Making up stupid sh!t only confirms to the rest of us that you’re full of sh!t.
Jaibones on September 2, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Tell that to George Washington and every POTUS to date.
maverick muse on September 2, 2009 at 3:53 PM
Holger,
Do we kill them too?
Spathi on September 2, 2009 at 3:53 PM
The ACLU made claims. Again, cite me to proof of the more than 100 deaths?
As to waterboarding – I do not consider that torture. Nor do I consider the other techniques that were used. And waterboarding was not “illegal” and them made “legal”. And despite what idiots like Greenwald state, the U.S. has not condemned waterboarding as torture in the past.
And, to call Gitmo a concentration camp demonstrates an inablity to grasp reality.
So, a whole bunch of false straw-man arguments.
I don’t necessarily get to decide what is and isn’t liberterian. However, there is a pretty standard definition of it and your comments generally fall outside of it.
Instead, you repeat most of the far left’s talking points and use their false “true facts” and alternate history to try and support your arguments.
The United States not having a standing army is a pretty idiotic idea in today’s world. A much easier, and more pratical, way to enhance state’s rights is to go back to the state legislature’s appointing U.S. Senators rather than direct election. In that case, the Senator would be expected to represent the state’s interests.
Monkeytoe on September 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM
People have always died in military training. General Petraus got shot in the chest with an M16 about 10-20 years ago in an exercise.
I am sure some green berets, SEALs or aircrew died in SERE School from complete accidents. At SERE School we do everything they do at Gitmo, infact we do it worse because there is no convention detailing how you must treat your troops. So, we sexually humiliate the students, waterboard them, put them in stress positions, deprive them of sleep, blast them with music, beat them and do all sorts of other evil things to them.
How can it be torture when we do it to our own troops?
Holger on September 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM
He was in practice for less than 5 years and a search of lexis demonstrates 2 cases in which he was the attorney.
I have been practicing for 12 years in the area of constitutional law (1st amendment, false arrest, excessive force, discrimination), previously worked as a JAG where I had to study and apply the Geneva Conventions and International Laws of War. My name returns 67 reported federal cases in Lexis and 72 in state court where I was the attorney.
Greenwald is not a real constitutional lawyer – he just plays one to idiots on the left who want to believe they have a real expert on their side.
Again as to the ACLU’s “report” – they only make claims. Cite to evidence that backs up those claims. Anyone can make idiotic claims and the ACLU does it all the time. They are not a credible source.
Monkeytoe on September 2, 2009 at 3:59 PM
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