Grassley: Senate Democrats agree on removing “public plan”
posted at 4:45 pm on September 1, 2009 by Ed Morrissey
According to Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA), a bipartisan panel of key Senators working on health-care reform have all concluded that the “public plan” has to go. Removing the most contentious part of Barack Obama’s health-care overhaul could help push the bill through the upper chamber. However, that doesn’t mean it won’t wind up in the final version (via Verum Serum):
Grassley, the GOP’s key negotiator, expressed similar determination, but made clear he doesn’t expect a public health care option sought by President Barack Obama to be in a final deal.
“I’m still hopeful, but I’m hopeful based on I think you’re talking about something a little less sweeping than what we talked about before,” Grassley told the AP in a telephone interview.
Grassley in the past has roundly criticized the public option, but went a step further Monday in saying the core group of senators agreed such a provision would not be in a bill.
“It’s pretty clear that’s something not on the table,” Grassley said. “It’s fair to say that not every one of the six is opposed to it, but they realize the reality of it.” …
“There are things that for months have been things I have said can’t be in a bill,” Grassley said. “There are some instructions from my caucus I have tried to take to the table: no public option, no rationing and tort reform.”
So far, tort reform still hasn’t made it into the Senate’s proposals, nor has the public option been removed. Even if they do remove it and add tort reform per Grassley’s demands, that doesn’t mean that it’s “margarita time.” The process of legislation allows for considerable mischief.
The House and Senate will pass two very different bills, if both of them manage to pass anything at all. Those bills will go to a conference committee, which will produce what should be a blend of the two bills for final votes in both chambers. The conferees can do almost anything they want, though; they can add or subtract public options, tort reform, veterinary care, taxes, individual mandates — anything at all. It only takes a majority vote to get the final bill out of joint conference, and once one chamber accepts the bill, the other cannot vote to recommit the bill back to the conference committee for more work.
When the conference report hits the House and Senate, the administration will press for a quick vote. Considering how long this bill will inevitably be, no one will have time to read it before Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi schedule floor votes on it. It may be well after a presidential signature before all of the damage becomes apparent.
This is not a bad development, but we’re far from a victory on this bill.









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Do not trust them for one second, we still have at least three years of constant vigilance for this administration
bbz123 on September 1, 2009 at 4:47 PM
I think it is a bad development…I don’t trust Grassley on this issue at all based on his obvious desire to work with the Dems to get *anything* passed. Anything without a ‘public plan’ is just trojan horse for the public plan. They need Republican cover and I think Grassley (unwittingly or not) is providing it.
AUINSC on September 1, 2009 at 4:48 PM
There is no trust. Kill the bill. No negotiations. No compromises. Nothing. Scorched earth or these Republican snakes need to go with Obama’s Marxists into the dustbin.
elduende on September 1, 2009 at 4:49 PM
It’s STILL in the congressional bill and can be re-added during reconciliation.
KILL
THE
BILL
(Anybody got an Admiral Ackbar ASCII art of him saying “It’s a TRAP!”?)
Skywise on September 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Just say No. Block any bill about health care.
Jacob Hammond on September 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Me neither! Watch them like hawks!
jeanie on September 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Of course, just so it can be reinserted when reconciling the House and Senate bills. Please tell me Grassley isn’t falling for this.
alteredbeat on September 1, 2009 at 4:50 PM
They’ll sneak it in in the conference committee.
Count on it.
-Dave
Dave R. on September 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM
keep your head on a swivel when dealing with this adm.
rjoco1 on September 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM
DON’T FALL FOR IT – IT’S A TRAP……..
KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL – KILL THE BILL -
izoneguy on September 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Anything that gives an opening for the GOP squishes to get through scares me. I want the public option in the bill. C’Mon Nancy, I am counting on you to insure we do not have a build that is based off of Democrat party principles.
WashJeff on September 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM
It depends on the real reform portions. I know, I’m a huge supporter of public option, but it seems clear, we don’t have the votes. I would now like to seem some real reform on the worst of the issues.
AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM
How fast is Nazi Pelosi blinking right now?
SouthernGent on September 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Not good enough. Kill the bill. Nothing less.
progressoverpeace on September 1, 2009 at 4:52 PM
Brush a fly off a turd and it’s still a turd.
This whole “healthcare reform” situation is a flirtation with human and financial disaster, and another step down the road to Osama Obama’s totalitarian Worker’s Paradise.
Republicans in Congress had better grow a pair — a pair each would be nice, but I’ve seen too much of them to expect that — and do whatever they can to stop this abomination.
MrScribbler on September 1, 2009 at 4:54 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/31/barton-repeal-health-care/
Politico reports that some polling experts are predicting House Democrats to lose many seats in the 2010 midterm elections. FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver said the GOP has a one-quarter to one-third chance of taking back the House. Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) is giddy at the thought of regaining his chairmanship in the event the Republicans take over. This weekend on Fox News, Barton revealed that his agenda would be to repeal health care reform, if it passes before 2010:
BARTON: If they [Democrats] somehow manage to get the votes and get enough Democrats to walk the plank and commit political suicide, in the next Congress, I’ll be Chairman Joe Barton of the Energy and Commerce Committee, and we’ll repeal it.
If Obama attempts to “muscle through” health reform, Barton predicted he would end up leading the Democrats into the “political wilderness.”
izoneguy on September 1, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Oh Goody. Instead we’ll get the
publicco-op option. Phew, I feel much better now.angryed on September 1, 2009 at 4:54 PM
It makes sense to me. Pull the “Public Plan” off the table … rename it the “People’s Choice Plan” and put it back on the table (in a three-card-monty slight of hand sort of way).
“Comrade Morrissey ….please report to the nearest Amtrax Station for your required prostate exam”
WHEEeeeeeeeee!
Chimp 6 on September 1, 2009 at 4:54 PM
Don’t be an enabler, Grassley – they will add back anything they want in reconciliation. Kill the bill.
Vashta.Nerada on September 1, 2009 at 4:55 PM
If your real reform doesn’t involve government getting out of health care and private market competition increasing, I’m not interested.
alteredbeat on September 1, 2009 at 4:55 PM
Don’t stop, kill it kill it
Doctor Zhivago on September 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM
You’re right. The whole thing must go.
Connie on September 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM
NY TIMES HEADLINE: GOP TAKES HEALTH CARE AWAY FROM 200 MILLION AMERICANS
Idiot American masses: Hey you can’t do that. I want my free health care.
Once something is passed, it will never be repealed. I don’t care how many seats the GOP wins in 2010.
angryed on September 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM
Push ‘em back, shove ‘em back, waaaaayyyy back!!!
portlandon on September 1, 2009 at 5:01 PM
angryed on September 1, 2009 at 4:58 PM
The only piece of legislation I recall ever being repealed was prohibition. Look at what it took to get it repealed, years of violence.
I think it’s admirable to be goal driven, however agenda driven is something else entirely.
AASLT on September 1, 2009 at 5:03 PM
I think this would be an exception, especially if the GOP were voted in specifically to reverse the bill.
Vashta.Nerada on September 1, 2009 at 5:04 PM
KILL IT!
GarandFan on September 1, 2009 at 5:04 PM
have to wait and see.
Terrye on September 1, 2009 at 5:04 PM
What are the worst of the issues?
ladyingray on September 1, 2009 at 5:05 PM
Grassley is working on having the public option exiled to Elba for a little while. I’m not feeling too good about that.
forest on September 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Oh, snap!
SouthernGent on September 1, 2009 at 5:06 PM
Killing the public option is nice and all, but not nearly enough because the bill will still contain numerous mandates on the terms and conditions of any health insurance policies. These mandates will increase and not decrease the costs of health insurance while limiting consumer options.
As Michael Kinsley said (yes, Michael Kinsley):
Bru on September 1, 2009 at 5:07 PM
jake, time to wake up and smell the iodine. healthcare is a-coming, and there ain’t no way to stop her. frankly, i hope they load it up with as much crap as possible; public option, trillions of spending, death panels, publicly funded abortions..you name it.
If you want to take back the House in 10, you’ll pray for the Democrats to force this health care monster down your throat, too.
DrW on September 1, 2009 at 5:11 PM
The gop better not trust them,watch out when lying comes so easy.
ohiobabe on September 1, 2009 at 5:11 PM
Pound the bill (including all its evil tentacles) into a grease spot, then pour concentrated acid on it and flush it down the storm drain.
/ flips bird with both hands
whitetop on September 1, 2009 at 5:12 PM
Pull the plug.
LibTired on September 1, 2009 at 5:13 PM
No Deal- Own it all or Kill it all- Grassley is another disgusting “Senator first, party second” weasel.
jjshaka on September 1, 2009 at 5:14 PM
KILL THE BILL!
No senator or congressman who votes for this should keep their political seat if they pass it!
You Pass it, You won’t Pass the next Elections!
upinak on September 1, 2009 at 5:15 PM
I don’t think these politicians have gotten the message on how we really feel about this abomination…
Seven Percent Solution on September 1, 2009 at 5:21 PM
As I and many others have posted before this monstrosity will not go into effect until 2013 at the earliest. Since voters won’t feel the affect until sometime after that they may not blow back during 2010.
Sometimes the American voter has the attention span of a bolt of lightning.
chemman on September 1, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Lo and behold, in the dictionary at the definition of “gullible” is a pic of Sen. Grassley.
rockhead on September 1, 2009 at 5:24 PM
Dealing on the margins won’t work Grassley . . . this socialist healthcare manifesto must be completely trashed.
rplat on September 1, 2009 at 5:24 PM
One thing to add to Ed’s fine analysis of the process:
If the bill passes with a majority vote out of conference committee, however changed by that committee, it will only take a simple majority vote by either full chamber, House or Senate, to ultimately pass the finished product.
What this means is that a Senate fillibuster cannot be used to block the bill at this point, thus the normal 60 votes to stop a fillibuster, called cloture, doesn’t apply as it would on the original Senate vote on the bill.
A long way to say that you could pass a perfect bill out of the Senate that everyone, including you and I, might agree with, but only 51 senators would be needed to finally approve it, no matter the garbage that might be added in the conference committee.
Hence, if the Senate passes this thing in any form, they engage the timer on a ticking time bomb.
TXUS on September 1, 2009 at 5:25 PM
All these comments and not one about the fact that the entire bill is unconstitutional! Call Grassley 202 224 3744. I did
DerKrieger on September 1, 2009 at 5:28 PM
Fixed it myself. Sorry.
TXUS on September 1, 2009 at 5:31 PM
No trust for these republican temporizers like Snowe, former Rep. Spectre and Grassley. We know that what the Senate committee removes with one hand can be instantly restored in ‘conference’ with the House to reconcile their bills,and then the congress gets three hours to read the eleven hundred page bill (or most likely not read it) where those provisions would be magically restored and sent to the President for signature. We don’t believe that if the House voted for the reconciled bill with these provisions the Senate repubs who would vote for this monstrosity in the full Senate, would somehow vote against it if the offending provisions were reinserted. The only ray of light is that the public is in a lather like the democraps caused in 1993-94 and a big broom may soon come to wash dc.
eaglewingz08 on September 1, 2009 at 5:33 PM
I won’t rest until Obama cries on live TV.
Chuck Schick on September 1, 2009 at 5:43 PM
The conference report is precisely what I’m afraid of.
steveegg on September 1, 2009 at 5:57 PM
don’t trust them, it will backdoor in via conference or a 400 page amendment that nobody read.
Jed_Eckert on September 1, 2009 at 6:00 PM
Capital intercom:Paging Dr. Kevorkian..paging Dr. Kevorkian…Dr. Kevorkian please report to the house chamber..you are also needed in the senate chamber..
HoustonRight on September 1, 2009 at 6:16 PM
There simply isn’t any victory except total here. There is absolutely NO will NOT to meddle with what works now.
I wouldn’t trust these meatheads with applying a bandage on a cut.
michaelo on September 1, 2009 at 6:36 PM
I want no part of this ‘deal’ nor any part of this fix.
Let’s just start with tort reform, loser pays and see how that works out.
tarpon on September 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Grassley better remove himself from this gang of 6 or his voters may remove him from office.
thmcbb on September 1, 2009 at 7:05 PM
Grassley is dying to vote for this crap. We can’t dump thes aholes fast enough!
Lonetown on September 1, 2009 at 7:15 PM
Senator Grassley, kill the bill!
yoda on September 1, 2009 at 7:34 PM
My guess is it’s another trial balloon. Once the left starts screaming they’ll back off and the public option will be back on the table.
If not, good! We DO need reform. Tort reform. Care for people with pre-existing conditions. Something to replace Medicaid would be nice; maybe something that won’t bankrupt us.
Sacto_Dave on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 PM
At 12:01 am just before the vote the next morning.
Sacto_Dave on September 1, 2009 at 8:53 PM
I’ve never thought of conservatives as lacking compassion for the disabled and the indigent poor. Doesn’t anyone here think we need reform? We could cover the 10-15 million truly uninsured and those with preexisting conditions for a small fraction of what the Dems are offering. The money could come from what we would save in tort reform and by allowing insurance to be sold across state lines. Just sayin’… It’s time to quit being the party of NO and start offering a plan. I know we can’t propose legislation without Pelosi’s sayso and that ain’t happening but someone like Sarah Palin or Newt could make a splash by proposing a five or ten point plan.
Sacto_Dave on September 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM
It doesn’t matter as long as it is still government central planning of the health care system it is wrong!
LifeTrek on September 2, 2009 at 1:04 AM
You have been told 14,761 times on this site; real reform plans are there; at a variety of websites, and with the Republican leadership.
The hindrance is, the current Democratic leadership will not hear the other ideas.
Take your quibble to them.
And, appologize, for your prior crass comments.
massrighty on September 2, 2009 at 1:09 AM
There must be no changes to health care this Congress. They have already shown a pattern of rushing to completion and hiding time bombs in their huge health care bills. Do not trust “compromises”. Do not let up on the pressure.
{^_^}
herself on September 2, 2009 at 4:34 AM
It is not only the single payer provisions that are the problem. The entire bill infringes on economic freedom and civil liberties. Since when is it constitutional to force you to purchase anything or face penalties except in cases of safety; I sometimes even believe that many of those laws are too intrusive. I especially “like” the part where IRS giving up financial data on me so that the government can ensure that I have all the medical entitlements I am due.
This entire bill needs to be trashed, scrapped, killed or whatever the proper term is in today’s PC world.
amr on September 2, 2009 at 8:54 AM