New Democratic plan: Delay public option until 2013?

posted at 10:19 pm on August 31, 2009 by Allahpundit

It’s only Clyburn’s plan right now, but Clyburn’s number three in the House. And besides, they’re running out of alternatives.

The comeback for Democrats — if there is one — will begin in an all-important closed-door caucus meeting next week in the basement of the Capitol, where House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and her top lieutenants will try to undo the damage of the August recess and convince their wobbly members that a vote for health care reform will not cost them their jobs in 2010.

Leaders say their strategy is to convince members that nothing is set in stone and that they are more than open to negotiations. And they’re engaging in a softer sell, prioritizing health insurance reforms while pitching the public option as something that’s way, way down the road.

“We’re going to ask, ‘Where are you now? Is there something we need to add to get [you] to vote for this?’” said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), who as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is charged with ensuring that the party’s most vulnerable members are reelected in 2010…

Clyburn, for his part, is advocating a “two step” approach in which the most widely supported health insurance reforms, like coverage for pre-existing conditions, go into effect immediately, while the public option is framed as a distant step — something that would go into effect in 2013, only after benchmarks and pilot programs are studied.

Clyburn has proposed setting up modest pilot programs for the public option in certain regions or states — an experimental way of seeing whether these health exchanges can actually work at the local level before they go nationwide.

Wasn’t Pelosi telling people just two weeks ago that she’ll never ever drop the public option from the House bill? Now, suddenly, she’s open to negotiations? The Blue Dogs must be dug in much deeper than I thought after those town halls. As for Clyburn’s “experimental” public option, what incentive do House progressives have to go along with that? If, as seems increasingly likely, the GOP’s going to pick up seats between now and 2013, delaying implementation of the program only makes it easier for Republicans to kill it in the crib later before it goes into full effect. To get liberals to accept it, Pelosi will have to assure them that the “experiment” will be so successful that the GOP will have no choice but to endorse it — while simultaneously assuring Blue Dogs that it won’t be successful and will end up being dropped, thereby making it safe to vote for now. The only certainty: If Clyburn’s plan is adopted, The One’s fortunes in 2012 will depend to no small extent on how well those pilot programs are playing out. Because unless they’re total disasters, you’d better believe he’s going to try to take them national.

All of that is assuming the Senate is willing to act first, of course; as Politico notes, House Democrats aren’t going to risk their necks in passing a bill until they know Reid can get something through. Which, absent reconciliation, he probably can’t. A little mood music for you while you ponder their dilemma.


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The left-wing planets all aligned perfectly, a once in a lifetime moment when all their socialist dreams could come true…

… and a misstep here, a loose word there, and the celestial bodies go spinning off on their own accord, in a celestial cloud of collectivist “What if”‘s and “Where did it all go wrong”‘s…

… an entire liberal universe, poised perfectly on the finger of The One, and a lapse of concentration causes it all to go “poof!”…

… it is to weep laugh.

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Now what could possibly happen that would create a more favorable environment in 2013 for the PO?

Van Jones + John Holdren + Mark Loyd

This nightmare is only beginning…

Ed Graef on August 31, 2009 at 11:15 PM

The video is outstandingly hilarious.

I hope the ObamaScare plans go down in defeat. Unfortunately, I won’t feel comfortable until defeat is on the front pages of the papers & blogs. I pray that we all see this. I’m still afraid this pack of scoundrels, pigs, & snakes will arm-twist & spin passage.

Clyburn? Let me say he’s not reflective of all of us from SC. Let’s un-gerrymander his district. That’s the only reason he was elected. I wonder if he cleared his comments with Nanny Pelosi?

PalmettoPatriot on August 31, 2009 at 11:20 PM

I’m pondering how long the American public will accept this death by a thousand liberal cuts.

Bishop on August 31, 2009 at 10:25 PM

The question of our time.

rrpjr on August 31, 2009 at 11:20 PM

I think what is important here, is that they are not dropping the public option, or even open to negotiating dropping it. What instead they are saying is that we can pass the bill now, and some things go into effect now but the public option will most surely go into effect in 2013.
We cant let this pass either. It has to be no goverment option today, tomorrow, or ever.

paulsur on August 31, 2009 at 11:21 PM

Wow, I don’t think the best Republican strategist could have written this better.

DrStock on August 31, 2009 at 11:10 PM

Sheesh…get that “Republican strategist” crew involved and we’d have had ObamaCare in July.

ddrintn on August 31, 2009 at 11:21 PM

LibTards are now in a paralytic State of Fear.

They don’t know whether to chit or wind their watch.

Go ahead pass the bill. I dare ya.

Geochelone on August 31, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Yeah, we’ll do the Socialism now and hide the Marxism until later. You know it might just get by those bozo Republicans in DC.

The time for Tea Parties has passed, its time for the Tar and Feathers.

johnsteele on August 31, 2009 at 11:32 PM

“Experiments” with universal health care have already been tried in Massachusetts and Hawaii. “Epic Fail” both times.

Assegai on August 31, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Yeah, but will Barry be around in 2013? The world wonders.

GarandFan on August 31, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Coverage of preexisting conditions will cause rates to go way up for everyone right away.

It’s not really “insurance” if you can get it for conditions you already have. It’s just cost sharing — socialization of costs. Insurance protects against risks, not certainties.

Kohath on August 31, 2009 at 11:34 PM

Coverage of preexisting conditions will stop the private insurance business in its tracks.

faraway on August 31, 2009 at 11:39 PM

Could you imagine the wreckage if a Sarah Palin or Liz Cheney would debate the Presentense one on one. Ohhh, ouch!

ted c on August 31, 2009 at 10:54 PM

Actually, Ted, I not only imagine it, I think that is EXACTLY what our Country deserves.

Intelligent Representation.

What a concept.

seesalrun on August 31, 2009 at 11:46 PM

and with this I say goodnight.

Fear not, as you look from your left and from your right at your neighbors, your friends and fellow Americans. You know in your Heart all is not lost and Together we will find the way.

Night all.

seesalrun on August 31, 2009 at 11:47 PM

oh sh8t and for my fellow blogger who coined the phrase:

Yes I Can.

There is no I in WE – my friends. Think on that.

seesalrun on August 31, 2009 at 11:51 PM

lastly, go ahead pass it, we’ll watch you as we dare you.

seesalrun on August 31, 2009 at 11:53 PM

JohnGalt23 on August 31, 2009 at 11:14 PM

I coined the phrase “the perfect storm” to my family for this peculiar political situation in so many ways.
Let them bring it. I am kind of glad no conservative has come up to weather a barrage by the current climate.

Let us hope…..they are lying in wait….as a good hunter does.

seesalrun on August 31, 2009 at 11:58 PM

Waterloo.

wildcat84 on September 1, 2009 at 12:09 AM

yup wildcat, the cat is out of the bag for the American People.

seesalrun on September 1, 2009 at 12:11 AM

doctors on salaries? ok…then attorneys on salaries

CWforFreedom on September 1, 2009 at 12:14 AM

IF the Kennedy ploys should gain any traction, here’s how we can remind them that they won’t be here in 2013:
Everyone who has or knows a kid, knows that while they may get many stuffed bears over the course of childhood, there is always one that is “the keeper”. The rest are expendable.
WE all need to obtain three of these “expendables”, either from our children’s collections, from a relative or friend, or from the dollar store. Send one each to your two Senators and Representative with a note…
“If you insist on supporting the destruction of the U.S. Constitution, either through acts of commission or omission, you, like this animal, will become expendable. Let me be clear on this… we don’t want or need your TeddyCare!”

Empiricist on September 1, 2009 at 12:17 AM

How about we do an experiment with the GobermentScare on
Congress Critters, Senate Scumbags and SEIU Hacks first then if that works out we’ll expand the program!

What kills me is that the ones who want this most are the ones who don’t have to sign up for it.

Those of us who would be stuck with it don’t want it.

Alana on September 1, 2009 at 12:26 AM

Hmmm…let’s see: the AARP is on the verge of getting ‘torched’ by it’s own members, the approval numbers for ‘rats and teh One amongst seniors [a key pro-'rat voting block] is disintegrating like a cardboard condo in a hurricane.

And that’s just ONE of the demographic groups sour on O-care.

Could it be that the common whispered question amongst the ‘rats is: ‘how do we survive this mess’?

CPT. Charles on September 1, 2009 at 12:29 AM

We won?

Yakko77 on September 1, 2009 at 12:31 AM

and convince their wobbly members that a vote for health care reform will not cost them their jobs in 2010.

And they’d be “economic with the truth” if they said that.

Libs want the commucare, moderates don’t want it, but they also don’t want the stack of pork in the bill OR the trampling of rights that goes along with that horror show of a package…which package? Take your pick.

The dems made this bed, they have no choice but to lay in it.

I hope it mysteriously catches fire as they sleep.

Spiritk9 on September 1, 2009 at 1:01 AM

Waterloo.

wildcat84 on September 1, 2009 at 12:09 AM

.
“Waterloo, finally facing my Waterloo. Waterloo, couldn’t escape if I wanted to…” Abba (1974 video)

NightmareOnKStreet on September 1, 2009 at 1:39 AM

I heard Ricky Rubio is postponing his starting year in the NBA because Universal Health Care fell through.

iamse7en on September 1, 2009 at 1:45 AM

You shall not pass!

davecatbone on September 1, 2009 at 5:10 AM

2013 is the year the new ICD-10 goes into effect in the medical/financial world. ICD-10 expands the current medical coding system the U.S is on. All nations with socialized medicine are already on ICD-10 and we are the last.

Before ICD-10 can work in the present information systems the “5010″ in 2012 has to overhaul the actual claim form by adding more digit spaces in many of the data fields. CMS is spending money educating now, providers are spending money now and these changes will come at great cost to all medical providers.

My point? Like HIPAA, the gumberment is trying and get socialized medicine one way or another and using the back door approach like always.

Coastal Paradise on September 1, 2009 at 5:51 AM

Others have said this, but it bears repeating. The “public option” has been tried, many, many times. In other countries and various states within our own. There is no reason for further “study”. We already know all we need to know about it.

Let’s stop pretending that the public option is the only source of contention with this crap sandwich of a bill. Kill. It. Now.

drocity on September 1, 2009 at 5:58 AM

doctors on salaries? ok…then attorneys on salaries

CWforFreedom on September 1, 2009 at 12:14 AM

Likewise from cap and trade, cap attorneys’ %fee.

maverick muse on September 1, 2009 at 5:59 AM

the 2010 elections can’t get here fast enough

ChalkPerson on September 1, 2009 at 6:11 AM

I’m for TORT reform. But what TORT reform? Cutting out the frivolous lawsuits makes sense. But I don’t understand how $250K is going to deal with a lifetime reality facing a patient mutilated by incompetence during surgery, particularly as that sum would be cut significantly to pay attorney/legal fees.

maverick muse on September 1, 2009 at 6:14 AM

Allow compensatory damages that inculde lost wages and impact to standard of living. What we need to curb is punitive damages that go above and beyond the damage done. For instance, no more $6.5 million awards for a piece of crap slime-ball lawyer chaneling a baby to punish a doctor for doing their job and delivering a baby.

cadams on September 1, 2009 at 6:30 AM

They are going to try to pass everything but the public option. This is equally bad. Nothing can pass that involvs further direct government involvement. Keep up the pressure.

True_King on September 1, 2009 at 6:31 AM

“Experiments” with universal health care have already been tried in Massachusetts and Hawaii. “Epic Fail” both times.

Assegai on August 31, 2009 at 11:33 PM

And don’t forget Tennessee. Their experiment with universal coverage (“TennCare”) was also a big failure — exploding costs, massive fraud and abuse — they had to shut the thing down to keep the state from going bankrupt.

AZCoyote on September 1, 2009 at 6:42 AM

Still confused.

Clyburn wants to immediately prohibit exclusion due to pre-existing conditions, and wait for public option in 2013.

I have been trying to understand HR 3200.

Y1 is defined as 2013.
Y1 is when the public option would be available in HR 3200.
So what is the Clyburn delay?

And, in HR 3200 as the draft is right now, it says on page 15
“On or after the first day of Y1, a health benefits plan shall not be a qualified health benefits plan under this division unless the plan meets the applicable requirements of the following subtitles for the type of plan and plan year involved: (1) Subtitle B …..”

Subtitle B is on page 19 and starts off with prohibiting pre-exisitng condiitons exclusions.

So what is Clyburn saying?
To me it sounds like he is accelerating, not delaying, some of the features of draft HR 3200.

If I have it wrong, please show me where.

4thQTR on September 1, 2009 at 6:42 AM

“Yeah, but will Barry be around in 2013? The world wonders.

GarandFan on August 31, 2009 at 11:33 PM”

He won’t be around that long. He’s gonna commit suicide.

LtE126 on September 1, 2009 at 7:27 AM

here is what many HOuse members are going to do: much like my Dem Congressman Perriello (5th CD, Va). he says he is against virtually every part of the bill that protesters highlight in public; he says he wants to get to a “yes” vote; he says that the majority of his district really supports Deathcare (ha ha ha!); and he will vote for it anyway.

then game on. we have to defeat him in 2010.

that’s the way this will go down.

kelley in virginia on September 1, 2009 at 7:42 AM

Baron Hill has famously dodged town hall meetings and called
animated anti-Obama Care attendees “political terrorists”. Now he is finally holding a town hall meeting in the most liberal town in the 9th CD. Moreover, the Obama political organ, Organize for America is now attempting to mobilize supporters and stack the deck. In subsequent emails they are
suggesting that supporters plan on assembling at 4:45 PM or earlier on the day of the meeting.

See details below:
________________________________
THE DETAILS

Townhall Publicity Phonebank (Let’s Get It Done: Health Care Phone Booth Events)

Join us at our phonebank as we reach out to Bloomington residents and invite them to join us at Representative Baron Hill’s townhall on Wednesday, September 2nd. We will be encouraging supporters to come out and show their support for reform.

Remember to bring your cell phone and charger- call lists and scripts will be provided. (Some spare phones will be available.)

Time: Monday, August 31 from 5:00 PM – 7:00 PM
Host: Laura Carlson

Location:
IMU Distinguished Alumni Room (Bloomington, IN)
900 E 7th St
Bloomington, IN 47405
Maps: Google Maps MapQuest Yahoo! Maps
Directions: The Distinguished Alumni Room is located in the Tree Suites wing of the union, straight down the first hallway.

Associated Groups: Bloomington for Barack, Bloomington/Monroe County Indiana for Obama 2008, Indiana Students for Barack Obama, Students for Barack Obama

link
________________________________

My question is this: Is this group renting the Alumni Room or are they receiving free use? Are they using university provided phones, other goods or services?

It is worth noting that the organization is using a popular conference room at the university. Are they in fact renting the Alumni Room for a couple of hours and if so, at what cost? Are they using the room for other nights as well? If they are getting free use of a tax payer funded institution and facility, are Obama Care opponents afforded similar perks?

R Square on September 1, 2009 at 7:51 AM

So what is Clyburn saying?
To me it sounds like he is accelerating, not delaying, some of the features of draft HR 3200.

If I have it wrong, please show me where.

4thQTR on September 1, 2009 at 6:42 AM

belWe have a winner.
More of the “my constituents are stupid so they’ll believe anything I tell them” from a despicable politician.

Deanna on September 1, 2009 at 7:57 AM

““A lot of us were blindsided by what we heard out at these meetings,” Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) told POLITICO.”

Does the D.C. beltway have concertina wire on top of it to prevent escape?

percysunshine on September 1, 2009 at 7:57 AM

Sorry about that typo. But 4thQTR is right. This is another attempt by the Rats to try to trick us.

Deanna on September 1, 2009 at 8:00 AM

most widely supported health insurance reforms, like coverage for pre-existing conditions, go into effect immediately,

widely supported? by whom exactly?

angryed on September 1, 2009 at 8:05 AM

maverick muse on September 1, 2009 at 6:14 AM

There can be a formula. Something like ay you’re 30 and a botched surgery leaves you unable to work. So your compensation is 35 years times your current salary including a 5% a year raise. And double that amount for loss of enjoyment of life. Or something like that. Comes out to a substantial amount of money, but not the $100M insane numbers thrown around in courts these days.

angryed on September 1, 2009 at 8:09 AM

“There can be a formula. Something like ay you’re 30 and a botched surgery leaves you unable to work.”

Government doctors can’t be sued.

percysunshine on September 1, 2009 at 8:12 AM

Even progressive darling Joe Sestak said last night that they might need to drop the public option. A Philadelphia talk radio host held a big townhall last night with Sestak, Jim Gerlach, Chaka Fattah, Pat Toomey, Mike Castle, and Joseph Adler (freshman from NJ.) It did not go well for the Democrats at all.

Philly town hall

rockmom on September 1, 2009 at 8:21 AM

New Democratic plan: Delay public option until 2013?

What’s new about that? HR 3200 already delayed the public option takeover until 2013.

What is “new”, however, is the acceleration of the pre-existing coverage mandate.

steveegg on September 1, 2009 at 8:21 AM

My question is this: Is this group renting the Alumni Room or are they receiving free use? Are they using university provided phones, other goods or services?

It is worth noting that the organization is using a popular conference room at the university. Are they in fact renting the Alumni Room for a couple of hours and if so, at what cost? Are they using the room for other nights as well? If they are getting free use of a tax payer funded institution and facility, are Obama Care opponents afforded similar perks? R Square on September 1, 2009 at 7:51 AM

Same questions I am wondering. Any Patriots down that way able to find out more info?

indypat on September 1, 2009 at 8:22 AM

I thought this had to be passed “right now”? Now the whole cornerstone of the ‘plan’ can wait until 2013? If it can wait until 2013, then why the need to ram this through as fast as possible back in July? Hmmm?

I thought “the time for talk is through”? Now we can negotiate?

The Dems are fond of saying there isn’t even a final draft of the legislation out yet. Then what the hell were they going to vote on back in July?

These people are trapped in their own conundrum, yet no real analysis, no real reporting, no truth from the MSM or the pols.

We need to be sure these people aren’t around to try to pass this nightmare in 2013 or any other time for that matter!

catmman on September 1, 2009 at 8:40 AM

If I ride the HD right through Pelosi’s office door, beer in hand, does that count as creative?

Bishop on August 31, 2009 at 10:39 PM

Delta House’s D-Day might deserve some credit, but it’s undeniably a creative adaptation. On the other side of the Capitol, surely the ghost of Senator Blutarsky would approve.

Barnestormer on September 1, 2009 at 8:43 AM

It’s a sensible approach. It reduces the risk factor, and if objectors are right, there will be too many problems to take it national.

People will like the idea of moderating risks. And we definitely need reform on the issue of pre-existing conditions and purging when someone actually files a claim.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Y1 is defined as 2013.
Y1 is when the public option would be available in HR 3200.
So what is the Clyburn delay?

Thank you. This was exactly my thought when reading the article because I have puzzled over what advantage Obama and crew are getting by hacking off constituents once they realize that all this fuss over healthcare was for something that wouldn’t take effect until after the 2012 election.

Maybe the Dems are trying to turn what they thought once needed to be hidden (the 2013 date) into a positive? In other words, do they think that more people will support the legislation if it seems like a distant far-off thing that might happen instead of something that will start affecting them immediately?

Greyledge Gal on September 1, 2009 at 8:49 AM

Hey,clyburn,you don’t need to look any farther than Mass. to see if it will work!

ohiobabe on September 1, 2009 at 8:57 AM

Actually that’s not much of a change. Most of the Dem proposals didn’t go into effect until after the next Presidential election.

roux on September 1, 2009 at 9:13 AM

As for Cooper and health care, HR3200 is more a bargaining chip than a bill—and a bad idea, at that. It forces Democrats like Cooper to take unnecessary votes on provisions like the public option and taxes that can come back to haunt them—especially when those provisions won’t be part of the final bill.
.
Exactly how does Joe Klein know what will be in the final bill ?
Perhaps Joe could tell us what will be in the final bill .. so at least then we that take aim at a meaningful target instead of this amorphous cameleon of a bill which always seems to make everybody wrong when criticizing it.

J_Crater on September 1, 2009 at 9:15 AM

Treat this bill like the mob we are accused of being: Two in the head; make sure it’s dead.

SKYFOX on September 1, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Clyburn, for his part, is advocating a “two step” approach in which the most widely supported health insurance reforms, like coverage for pre-existing conditions, go into effect immediately, while the public option is framed as a distant step — something that would go into effect in 2013, only after benchmarks and pilot programs are studied.

If the public option doesn’t go into effect until 2013, why vote on it now? Why not vote on it in 2012?

By then, Barry O will be back on the ballot. Should make for some exciting Tea Parties.

Steve Z on September 1, 2009 at 9:29 AM

The Big Red Moment has drained all the Patience from the little brains of the Progressive base….the Dems will not be able to slow down their HC.uber.Alles ride and will end up off driving off the cliff. Polls will continue to accelerate down till 2010! Wake Repubs, it is time to earn your pay or get out!

el Vaquero on September 1, 2009 at 9:56 AM

We KNOW what their goal is, so it must be stressed to everyone you know that this is a smoke screen. They can write whatever they want to into the details in committees. At this point, they/Obama have lied so often and so blatantly, that no one will believe ANYTHING they put in a bill.

marklmail on September 1, 2009 at 10:01 AM

How can we delay a bill that is so important that it needed to be passed within 2 weeks of submission??? There are people dieing out here Barry. Don’t you have any compassion for your fellow countrymen?

PappaMac on September 1, 2009 at 10:13 AM

I am opposed to Congress criters touching any part of the health care system. I am sure everyone here has seen the movie “What about Bob”, and all I can hear in my head is the phrase “baby steps”. That is how we got the great society from LBJ, that is how progressives passed Prohibition, through baby steps. Baby steps is how government will gain control of health care. Let’s not let them touch the industry.

I do believe reforms are necessary but with the current leadership of both houses, they are not looking at reform, they are actively pursuing a total government take over. Reform is the furtherest thing from their collective brain damage.

AASLT on September 1, 2009 at 10:20 AM

NO BILL!

This is just the camel’s nose under the tent.

PattyJ on September 1, 2009 at 11:17 AM

People will like the idea of moderating risks.

And we definitely need reform on the issue of pre-existing conditions

and purging when someone actually files a claim.

AnninCA on September 1, 2009 at 8:49 AM

First this bill needs to be killed, have a wooden stake put through its heart, and burned with the ashes divided and buried on different continents.

Moderating risks is the purpose of insurance, not paying for the treatment of something that has already happened.
(you can not buy insurance today to pay for the repairs to your car which you crashed last week)

A simple less than one page bill stating that an insurance policy can not be canceled for in inaccuracies in the application after ninety days would suffice.

darktood on September 1, 2009 at 11:34 AM

doctors on salaries? ok…then attorneys on salaries

CWforFreedom on September 1, 2009 at 12:14 AM

But Mr. Dean done said we can’t be doin’ that. Them lawyers is gonna get mad at us sumpin fierce. Then he said “We can’t stand up to the lawyers”
Funny thing that…the dems are afraid of a bunch of lawyers. I wonder why. Could it be money? Or is it influence?

Personally, I think it’s skeletons.

Blacksmith8 on September 1, 2009 at 12:18 PM

Two in the head; make sure it’s dead.

SKYFOX on September 1, 2009 at 9:22 AM

Poetry

Blacksmith8 on September 1, 2009 at 12:20 PM

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